The Cockroaches Are Out

I’m grief-stricken. For me, it’s like hearing that someone I know has died. H/T Harley for the sad story:

Brazil’s smoking ban entered into force this Wednesday (3), nearly three years after being passed.

Smoking is now prohibited in all enclosed areas open to the public, across the whole country. This even includes smoking areas partially enclosed by walls, roofs or tarpaulin.

There are also new restrictions on cigarette advertising. Tobacco products are allowed to be displayed, but advertising in shops and bars is now banned.

Health warnings will now occupy the entire back of the cigarette pack, as well as one of the sides.

Premises which are found to be in breach of the legislation may face a fine of anything from US $777 (R$2000) to US $583,000 (R$1.5 million), as well as potentially having their license revoked.

Individual smokers will not face any penalty.

I used to live in Brazil. Or at least my parents did for some 15+ years, and I spent a lot of time there. So Brazil is like an old friend that I haven’t seen for many years, and now I learn that she’s been fighting cancer for the past couple of years, and succumbed today. It’s a cancer that seems to be devouring the whole world, little by little.

Specialists see the new law as progress.

“These changes deconstruct the association made in the advertising between smoking and freedom, which especially targeted adolescents,” says Danielle Barata, from the Centre of Studies on Tobacco and Health, at the Fundação Oswaldo Cruz (Fiocruz). “By changing the law, you change the paradigm.”

I think that for me the association between smoking and freedom has only grown stronger with the UK smoking ban. Smoking bans are a direct assault on freedom, by people who hate freedom. Changing the law changes nothing.

And Danielle Barata is aptly named.

In Portuguese – the language that is spoken in Brazil -, a ‘barata’ is a cockroach.

Anyway, here’s Earl Slick:

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66 Responses to The Cockroaches Are Out

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    To bad that story had no comments not even in the original language story did it have comments.

    But Brazil from the few people Ive known from there have always said the place was like the gestapo with family members drug out bed by secret police in the middle of the night and never seen again………So I suppose the locals will just view a ban as nothing but more of the same.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      However Such laws build rebellion among the people in south America government over throws by a new strong man happen all to often……………especially one who advocates with the victims of the government in charge.

  2. Smoking Lamp says:

    Another fine location off the travel list… The momentum for smoking bans is accelerating. They get enacted without great support, but once they are in place inertia sets in. Brazil has many challenges to the rule of law. These include alternatively governed enclaves–the favelas–where state presence is weak and armed gangs rule. I expect the winner in these bans are the gangs who dominate the black market. I’m not sure outright rebellion is in the cards. I suspect a hollowing out of the state with competing elites (criminal and plutocratic) both exploiting the mass is more likely in the short run. Adding a smoking ban to the mix seems a bit unwise to say the least.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Theres one giant leap for us all. We all know this is being pushed worldwide via UN/ who MANDATES and treaties………..Its across the board messing with everybody at every level regardless of smoking status. That’s the real clincher for pissing off everyone and creating a worldwide army against all of it!

      • prog says:

        Absolutely, and most of these countries haven’t spent decades brainwashing their citizens. And quite a few are politically volatile.

        Also tobacco is generally much cheaper. In the UK, for example, they bang on about 70% wanting to quit but a huge proportion of that will be cost related. Hence the flourishing illegal trade, particularly rife in Australia.

        Yep, we’re nearing the end game and I don’t think the future looks too bright for the antis. Obviously, they’d disagree but TPTB know they can only piss off folk so much before they bite back.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    This is just to good!

    Anti-smoking messages aimed at young people have often been filled with statistics or, alternatively, built around fear-inducing imagery of disease and shortened life. Neither approach has proved effective, especially in American Indian and Alaska Native communities that have some of the country’s highest smoking rates, according to figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    • There are other interesting quotes, like this I hadn’t known about,

      “The Food and Drug Administration is also promoting research-driven conclusions in a $500 million multiyear anti-smoking campaign that began this year, paid for by tobacco companies under a 2009 law passed by Congress.”

      And of course, ‘race’ and sexuality have to be brought into it,

      “As the campaign moves ahead, the agency is preparing narrowly targeted approaches to rural boys; gay, bisexual and transgender youth; and families of mixed racial background, all of whom have higher rates of tobacco use than the youth population as a whole.”

      What about people with mental illness, who are 70% more likely to smoke than adults with no mental illness (I didn’t know there were such people!).

      “36 percent of adults with a mental illness are cigarette smokers.”

      You’re kidding? Isn’t it more like 70% of adults with mental illness? As I have said before, when I went to an alcohol detox clinic 17 years ago, I probably encountered 100 others in the three months or so I went as an outpatient and I well remember seeing at most five people who didn’t smoke. I also don’t remember meeting an alcoholic (not in detox) in all my life who didn’t smoke.

      According to the CDC (sorry; only allowed one link before going into the spam tank),

      “In 2012–2013, the prevalence of current cigarette smoking among lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals was 27.7%, compared with 17.3% among heterosexual/straight individuals.”

      So ‘gays’ are 60% more likely to smoke than normal people, which is close to the CDC’s figure for the mentally ill, but then same-sex attraction is a mental condition which was only reclassified in the 1970s due to pressure from militant homosexuals and the ‘PC brigade’.

      There is a bill currently working its way through the UK Parliament (which apparently won’t get passed) intended to make it unlawful for practitioners to offer counselling for unwanted same-sex desire. (even though people want to pay to get rid of this!). But targetting the same people for unwanted or wanted desire to smoke is fine and dandy, but hey, the tobacco companies are paying, so smoking is more politically incorrect…

      • waltc says:

        I don’t think homosexuality is a mental illness but rather a biological/hormonal condition and I doubt most people can be talked out of it any more than they can be talked out of being tall. That said, I think that most (tho not all) of the homosexuals who are uncomfortable with who they are are uncomfortable because of social pressure and the history of –our old friend– denormalization. THAT said, I think a lot of the smokers who say they want to quit, in actuality just want to quit being denormalized. But you’re right that on the spectrum of PC , smokers and homosexuals have switched places in the last 15-20 years. Until 1969 it was illegal for homosexuals to gather together in “public places” (bars, etc) in NYC, and now it’s illegal for smokers to do the same. And you’re right that the efforts to forcibly re-educate us out of smoking is both wrong and doomed.And I think the same applies to efforts to reprogram homosexuals. Otoh, if people want to voluntarily waste their time and money on doomed efforts, I think the parliament should butt the hell out.

        • prog says:

          I agree re homosexuality, but it’s getting out out hand – they more or less teach it in junior schools these days, alongside heterosexual education. It’s fine teaching stuff in biology lessons and encouraging parents to broach the subject. But what’s happening is wrong – it’s a form of grooming imo. One of the joys of childhood is discovering sexuality, rather than having it thrust down one’s throat (so to speak..)

        • Prog – it is grooming in the UK, when you have militants like Stonewall invited into schools under the pretext of ‘bullying’. What they are doing is part of the normalisation process. Same with sex ‘education’ these days, like you say. There is a real danger here now (if it’s not already a reality) that ‘mother’ and ‘father’ on birth certificates will be replaced by “Progenitor A” and “Progenitor B”.

          In Manchester, they have to take every ‘conceivable’ eventuality into account…

          Lesbian couples who are married (sic) or civil partners at the time of the conception and conceive a child through artificial insemination will both automatically be treated as their child’s legal parents.

          More junk science. They think that two women can conceive. They’ve gotten away with SHS and climate change and ‘missing link’ junk science, so why not? Although, to be fair, the ‘missing links’ usually end up being dismissed by other ‘experts’ at a later date.

          But @Walt as well, even 14 years ago, the vast majority of people thought that homosexuality was disgusting and perverted and that ‘gay marriage’ was some kind of joke that would never, nor should ever, become a reality, except, perhaps, in Las Vegas if accompanied by a fake preacher wearing an Elvis costume.

          People in the West have been made to accept it and defend it “by reflex” (i.e. brainwashing) again due to militant homosexuals (and complicit mainstream TV). It’s in the homosexual blueprint for infiltrating the media! “By reflex”.

          All part of destroying the family so that Cameron, Obama, etc., could take it a step further.

          Labour’s Ed Balls has been trying to get sex ed for 5 year-olds for years and he’ll probably get it if Labour win the election in 5 months.

          Now, there are screams that it should start in nursery schools. I kid you not.

          By the way I said 14 years earlier, as it was in 2000 that a referendum was held in Scotland and the result was that nearly 7 out of 8 voters wanted to KEEP Section 28 which protected children at school from being subjected to homosexual propaganda.

          I predicted, among many other things, that adults will be able to marry children and that ‘paedophilia’ will be a crime of the past, like homosexuality is today in the West.

          Like the persecution of smokers, the sexualisation of children will know no bounds, same with the brainwashing of adults to accept whatever is part of the culture-destroying protective ethos we once had called ‘marriage’ and ‘families’ with the real meaning.

          It is all eugenics. All designed to destroy our society.

        • prog says:

          You’re Scottish, so you’ll be interested to see that word of the day is about bagpiping

        • carol2000 says:

          Stewart, re that “normalisation process,” they even wrote a book crowing about how they do it. “The fastest way to convince straights that homosexuality is commonplace is to get a lot of people talking about the subject in a neutral supportive way. Open, frank talk makes gayness seem less furtive, alien, and sinful more aboveboard. Constant talk builds the impression that public opinion is at least divided on the subject, and that a sizable block — the most modern, up-to-date citizens — accept or even practice homosexuality… The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome.” (Hunter Madsen and Marshall Kirk. Strategy: Persuasion, Not Invasion, from Chapter 3 of After the Ball (1989). In: We Are Everywhere: A Historical Sourcebook of Gay and Lesbian Politics. By Mark Blasius and Shane Phelan.)

          This is Madsen and Kirk’s first step of “desensitization.” Their next step, “jamming,” is public smearing of anyone who opposes their agenda, to intimidate both the target and any potential supporters into silence. Two things that it’s important to note: The first is that if gays really were an oppressed minority, all their grand schemes about using the media would have remained just castles in the air. Media access is proof of power! The second is that they used exactly the same process against smokers, only in reverse, with a constant stream of lies and defamations. It goes to prove that there’s a rotten little oligarchy tyrannizing over us and using their power to make a mockery of the democratic process, who ought to be overthrown. Finally, note that Kirk and Madsen both graduated from HARVARD, our old enemy, whose School of Public Health concocted the pseudo-science of anti-smoking, and whose departments of Law and Economics engineered both RomneyCare and ObamaCare and foisted it on the country!

        • Thanks Prog. I didn’t see the word of the day on the site, but checking the Urban Dictionary it means…

          Where the man puts his penis in a girls armpit, whereupon she proceeds to lift her arm up and down, like she is playing the bagpipes. This act is known as Bag-piping.
          “We had a nudy ceildhi last night and had a good ole time Bag-piping”

          Never heard of anyone Scottish doing this. Or admitting to it. If it was a solo act, they might.

          Which brings me onto ‘Respect Yourself’ which extols the ‘virtues’ of masturbation. It seems a typical modern subversion outfit, almost definitely paid for by the taxpayer (as usual). They promote masturbation – it is the first item on the ‘Sex’ dropdown menu – but as KGB subversion agent, Yuri Bezmenov said when discussing the Beatles and meditation and yoga and how those who would seek to control us (in his case the commies in Moscow) encouraged people to look within themselves as they are more likely not to care about what is happening out in the world (and what the government is doing).

          I typed in ‘marriage’ to the search box and found,

          For some people sex is wrapped up with their ideas of love and marriage. Sex means: I love you, I want to marry you and get a dog a mortgage and a goldfish and live happily ever after.

          Big joke, eh? Again, destruction of the family is what socialists the world over have been successful at implementing without the help of the KGB.

          Every such type of ‘help’ for young people I have ever seen is about their ‘rights’ to contraception/abortion/STD treatment from a doctor in total confidence, promoting sex over love (and marriage) and often that it doesn’t matter who or what you have ‘sex’ with as long as you’re doing it.

          Because the social engineers know that the earlier youngsters start having sex – and the more frequent – and the more perverse – the less likely they will be to be able to form stable relationships when older and do the dreaded act of getting married and the equally dreaded act of having children.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Well years of depicting fags on tv comedies helped their movement to no end. Its like the leftist media makers think if they depict it on TV as normal then everyone else will think its normal when they don’t…………..yet they do it anyway and the biggest reason like Frank has done I tossed away the MSM TV CHANNELS for the man up channels on cable/satellite tv………….I can dump THEIR BS faster than lightening.

        • Thanks for that, Carol. I’ve never read it. I thought this was bad enough – The Overhauling of Straight America –

          It begins,

          “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preference the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games: she likes strawberry and I like vanilla; he follows baseball and I follow football. No big deal.

          “At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more.”

          They move on from ice cream to the meat and potatoes of every basic propaganda method,

        • carol2000 says:

          Defend the Family got it from Madsen & Kirk, too. “Erastes Pill” is Madsen’s pen name.

        • Harley – they do it all over TV because it works. In 14 years we’ve gone from 7 out of 8 people not wanting their children taught ANYTHING about homosexuality to the subject being almost omnipresent and the few politicians over here who have made a ‘homophobic’ comment (usually just objecting to homosexuality and its promotion on principle) are publicly ostracised and/or fired after trial by mainstream media.

        • “Erastes Pill” is Madsen’s pen name.

          Thank you.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    Smoking ordinance questioned after diner patron sees folks light up
    Heading out to eat? Many would be surprised some restaurants still have a smoking section.

    But is that legal? Viewers asked, and we found your answer.

    This question came to us from a viewer email.

    After he went to a Huntsville restaurant and was shocked to sit next to someone lighting up.

    He thought, there has to be a law or city ordinance against this, and wanted us to look into it.

    These days smoking is banned in a majority of public places, especially state, county and city properties.

    However, the gray area comes in with privately owned establishments like the restaurant our viewer stopped by – the Little Diner on Jordan Lane.

    It’s totally the responsibility of the owner to designate their establishment smoking or non-smoking, but according to the city ordinance (PDF) it’s also their responsibility to ensure no one under the age of 19 enters the business as a customer or employee.

    So who’s enforcing that? The city said it’s up to the owner to monitor their customers.

    The question remains: is an owner really stopping to check IDs of their patrons who are coming in to spend money or stopping parents with children?

    If you believe that an establishment is in violation, you can address management. If you’re not satisfied, you can make a complaint with the City’s license department and they will conduct an inspection.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    LETTER: Anti-smoking group spins stats to make its point

    Posted: 12:01 AM, Dec 3, 2014

    J.B. Wood, Corydon, Ky.

    Full story available to subscribers only.
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    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Well it lets you see the comments and Ive had run ins with Mister unHappy


      10 Hours Ago

      I would be interested in whether the “total” number of auto accidents(fatal and non fatal) are up in these states, or if just more drivers are positive for marijuana? If it is just that more drivers are positive for marijuana, but the overall number of accidents have not increased significantly……well the response would be……. so what. The few studies I was able to find indicate that the total number of fatal accidents is actually down for this year. Since pot stays in ones system for weeks, it is reasonable to expect increases in the number who test positive. If there was a correlation between a “positive test” and the accident, you would expect to see a corresponding increase in the overall number of accidents. From what I was able to find, that doesn’t seem to have happened. I suppose we will find out over the next few years.

      See more


      9 Hours Ago

      Oh, Stompy Foot, Big Gubmit can’t be the solution to everything. Why do you hate liberty?


      9 Hours Ago

      Smoking harm-deniers better watch their step. Insulting healthy non-smoking pallbearers could backfire on them.


      8 Hours Ago

      I can stand on my deck at 7 am and smell diesel fumes and other exhaust fumes and I live 1500 ft. from a main highway while I smoke. It seems to me these people or organizations can control the people however they can’t control the auto and transportation industry or political parties. I know smoking is a choice and some people think it’s bad, I made my choice. I just don’t see how some of the air can be controlled and some not!!!


      5 Hours Ago

      By all means, smoke up J.B. As much as you can. Just do it in your own outhouse.


      2 Hours Ago

      About those 2 words JB- right back at you.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        But at least the title lets me know I and many others here have done a good job educating my fellow Kentuckians on the JUNK SCIENCE! Thanks all when I asked for help in the past in my home state trying to keep it free!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      LETTER: Anti-smoking group spins stats to make its point

      Evansville Courier and Press · 19 hours ago

      J.B. Wood, Corydon, Ky. Benjamin Disraeli, a long-ago British Prime Minister, once defined three levels of falsehood: lies, damned lies, and statistics. The left-wing anti-everything people love the last one named, for…

      That’s the most of it could find on a net search

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    Well here it is in all its glory and official

    NHS Devon surgery restriction for smokers and obese plan revealed
    Smokers and the morbidly obese in Devon will be denied routine surgery unless they quit smoking or lose weight.

    Patients with a BMI of 35 or above will have to shed 5% of their weight while smokers will have to quit eight weeks before surgery.

    The NHS in Devon has a £14.5m deficit and says the cuts are needed to help it meet waiting list targets.

    The measures were announced the same day government announced an extra £2bn of annual NHS funding

    The Northern, Eastern and Western Devon Clinical Commissioning Group (NEW Devon CCG) organises most NHS treatment in the area.

    It announced a range of cost-cutting measures on Wednesday including only providing one hearing aid, instead of the normal two, to people with hearing loss.

    Shoulder surgery will also be restricted
    What is morbid obesity?

    People with a body mass index (BMI) of 35 or more are considered morbidly obese by medical professionals
    BMI is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by height in metres, then dividing the answer by height again
    Women of average height, 1.62 metres (5ft 3ins), are considered morbidly obese if they weigh more than 91.5kg (14st 6lb)
    Men of average height, 1.75 metres (5ft 9ins), are considered morbidly obese if they weigh more than 108kg (17st)
    In November, the CCG said it would take “urgent and necessary” measures to prioritise major treatment.

    Continue reading the main story

    Start Quote
    The CCG has a legal duty to live within its financial resources and the prioritisation of services is helping us to do that”
    End Quote
    Dr Tim Burke

    NEW Devon CCG

    That included delaying hip and knee operations for the morbidly obese, but Wednesday’s announcement applies to all routine procedures.

    NEW Devon CCG said it would not restrict IVF treatment or caesarean sections carried out on medical grounds.

    A statement said all the decisions were “interim commissioning positions” and would require further consultation.

    Patients with a date for surgery will not be affected but will be offered weight management or quit smoking support.

    Dr Tim Burke, Chair of NEW Devon CCG, said: “All of these temporary measures relate to planned operations and treatments, not those which must be done as an emergency or to save lives.

    “We recognise that each patient is an individual and where their GP or consultant feels that there are exceptional circumstances we will convene a panel of clinicians to consider the case.”

    NEW Devon CCG said it would announce another round of cost-cutting measures “in due course”.

    “We don’t under estimate how difficult it will be for some people to lose weight or stop smoking and we will continue to support them,” said Dr Burke.

    “The CCG has a legal duty to live within its financial resources and the prioritisation of services is helping us to do that.”

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Heres the real reason behind it all

      Devon NHS Care Commissioning Group faces £430m deficit

      The biggest Care Commissioning Group (CCG) in England is facing a £430m deficit by 2019, it has revealed.

      The Northern, Eastern and Western Devon CCG buys NHS services for an area of 900,000 people, covering hospitals, ambulances and mental health services.

      Despite cost-saving measures of £239m, under current plans the group would still be short by £191m in five years.

      Mark Marriott, from the group, said savings would be made as a whole system rather than individual organisations.

      The group revealed at a meeting on Wednesday night that it had identified £80m worth of savings and has plans to save up to £159m more.

      However, the group would still be £191m short, under the current plan.

      ‘Greater demand’

      Mr Marriott said the NHS was seeing a “greater demand” for services.

      He said although it is five years away “we will start from now to embrace the challenge”.

      “We have to work as a whole system rather than a group of individual health organisations to resolve the issue and for the five-year strategy to work,” he said.

      To make the savings, the group is looking at prescribed drugs, providing more healthcare in the community and cutting routine operations for people who smoke or who are very overweight.

      On Thursday, the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges said there could be potential savings of up to £2bn across the NHS and that doctors had an “ethical duty” to help prevent waste.

      Its report highlighted examples including better use of medication, tests, hospital beds and operating theatres.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        So much for socialized medicine…………

        • So much for socialized medicine…………

          I now accept that it primarily exists as a further instrument with which to control the people.

          As for Devon NHS, “To make the savings, the group is looking at… cutting routine operations for people who smoke or who are very overweight.”

          So, not actually related to smoking or being overweight, just money to be saved by the further persecution of these two already dehumanised groups, which the rest of the population will be glad of if it means their chances of treatment are improved in a ‘survival of the fittest’ and self-preservation evolutionist/eugenicist frame of mind.

          It should actually be unlawful for smokers to be denied health care on ANY grounds, as the price of cigarettes includes an additional amount specifically for the NHS.

          And in the future?

          An incoming Labour Government would give the NHS a £2.5bn injection, funded by a mansion tax, a levy on tobacco firms and closing tax loopholes exploited by hedge funds, Ed Miliband announced today.

        • legiron says:

          There are no tobacco firms left in the UK. They have all, very sensibly, buggered off out of the country. So a levy on tobaco firms by a UK government would raise precisely zero.

          There is nothing to pay for more bloating of Jabba the NHS. There is no reason for its existence any more. It is, by very, very far, the number one cause of death in the UK as Oblimeycare will soon be the number one cause of death in the USA.

          It has to go.

        • Yes indeed, L-i. The one remaining UK cigarette factory in N. Ireland is due to close soon. I expect their profits from UK sales (of cigarettes made in their foreign factories) will be subject to extra taxation (on top of the enormous tobacco duty and the 20% VAT on top that the customers have to pay ).

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Via Magnetic I believe, could be wrong

          death by medicine” is by far the larger concern. These deaths are real, real people with real families not some defective “public health” mafia computer generated stats (SAMMEC) where no real deaths or people are counted….


          A definitive review and
          close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government
          health statis tics shows that American medicine frequently causes
          more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital,
          adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2
          million.1 Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995,
          said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually
          for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now
          refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.2, 2a

          The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures
          performed annually is 7.5 million.3 The number of
          people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9
          million.4 The total number of iatrogenic deaths
          shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the
          American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury
          in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate
          is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.5

        • nisakiman says:

          The link for iatrogenics isn’t working for me, Harley.

        • beobrigitte says:

          Socialized medicine according to Ed Miliband:
          Labour said the 20,000 extra nurses would ensure safe staffing in hospitals and fill thousands of vacancies unfilled since 2010. The 8,000 more GPs would enable people to stay healthy outside hospital and ensure family doctors service kept pace with population growth. The 5,000 new care workers would work in integrated care teams, the start of a shift towards an NHS which provides joined-up support to help people remain in their home. The 3,000 extra midwives would ensure “safe, one-to-one care to women in labour”.

          Didn’t the NHS go tits up when Labour ran it, introducing silly targets? From a little old lady I do know that ambulances used to park outside A&E, patient still inside, when the place was full and there was a long waiting time.
          The home birth thing being pushed today …..
          I also know a few midwives and from them I do know that a ‘normal’ labour can go horribly wrong within a minute. I can vouch for that; in the last 12 hours of my first labour someone had cottoned on that my offspring was simply too big for me to deliver and a caesarian section was scheduled. The next minute hell broke lose; the woman in another room ran into major problems and so she jumped the ‘caesarian’ queue. Sods law had it that 2 more women in labour ran into problems and by the time it was my turn, a cesarian no longer was an option. I am sure that it was the pethidene I received that made the foreceps look the size of grave diggers shouffles.
          Home birth? I never entertained the idea. Now the gullible expectant mothers are told that’s the best they can do…. More midwives in hospitals? REALLY?

          By the looks of it the Lab/Con brigade is getting worried; the Lib thingy is becoming a thing of the past. People have simply had enough of “experts”.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Sorry Nsaki its all there was…………

        • beobrigitte says:

          Please refer to my reply further down; I have no idea why it appeared where it did appear.

        • Rose says:

          Is this the one, Harley?

          Death by Medicine

  7. legiron says:

    So Brazil, like every other antismoker country, has become Brazil…

    • roobeedoo2 says:

      Have you seen ‘The Zero Theorem’? It’s pretty good. It’s said to be the last in a trilogy, with ‘Brazil’ and ’12 Monkeys’.

      Here’s a gif of Gilliam’s earlier work. I haven’t made up my mind yet as to whether he was foretelling the future or planting the seed of an idea ;)

  8. Rose says:

    I watched George Osbourne’s Autumn Statement yesterday and waited for any mention of tobacco.

    I thought it was suspiciously quiet.

    Caught by Chris Snowdon on page 62 of the Autumn Statement.

    Looting and pillaging with the Tories

    Tobacco firms may pay through the nose for harm from smoking
    Dec 4

    “THE TOBACCO industry may be forced to pay millions of pounds more in tax if the government backs a new levy on manufacturers and importers.”

    “Deborah Arnott, chief executive of the health charity Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), said: “For months, Ash has been calling on all the main political parties to include a pledge for a levy on the tobacco industry in their party manifestos.

    “It’s almost like Christmas come early to have the government launch a consultation on how to make the tobacco industry pay for the damage it does. All that’s needed now is for the government to announce that it is going ahead with standardised packaging for cigarettes too.”

    “She added that any income from a levy should be used to prevent children from taking up smoking and helping smokers to quit.”

    “The charity estimated that a levy of 1p per cigarette could raise £350m.”

    Of course, no matter how it is dressed up, it won’t be the industry paying, it will be us.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      And people like Arnot and CRUK vacationing in 4 cities around the world for various Nazi meetings on how else can we fuck with them and get more money, Then one stands up and says,”Lets not ruin the Golden Goose Folks,then laughter is heard thru out the Nazi anti party!

      • Rose says:

        Tobacco industry could face new UK levy

        Health campaigners welcome consultation on new levy unveiled during chancellor’s autumn statement

        No comments as yet, probably just as well. As a former life long conservative voter, mine would be unprintable.
        Once again, I apologise to all for helping to vote them back in.

        • smokingscot says:

          Something odd about this Rose.

          I’ve been told that it’s Mr. Clegg who’s pushing the anti-smoking issues and this may be what’s behind the headline.

          Took a look at IMP’s share price and – far more to the point – recent sales made by directors. Three sold on 2 Dec, indicating there may have been a quiet word in their ear, yet all three have retained the bulk of their holdings, indicating they don’t see this as a serious issue long term.

          Certainly Ms Arnott is incorrect in stating it’s now in the Tory manifesto. Page 62 of the Autumn Statement is all. However she seems to feel that the tax should be levied at the point of sale, which is rather silly for someone who’s brief it is to reduce consumption.

          The only workable way is to impose the levy on the tobacco companies based on their UK sales. Japan Tobacco has its European operations domiciled in Switzerland and West and such are from German tobacco firms.

          If the levy is to be effective it needs to leave IMP and BAT liable only on their UK sales. IMP is a relatively small player but they made £1.42 billion net profit and I’d suggest that less than 30% of that was from UK sales.

          Trying to place myself in the position of the boss of either BAT or IMP and I’d be talking about shifting domicile out of the UK and only accounting to the exchequer for sales and profits made here.

          The end result (using IMP figure – below) is instead of being able to tax tax them £362 million as they did in 2013, (£382 million 2012, £337 million 2011), the Chancellor will be left with a fraction of that, because you can bet both tobacco majors will do everything in their power to minimise that tax take.

          From a financial standpoint it’s always best to keep the Golden Goose – and those two really do just keep on giving. They’re most certainly way up there as BIG taxpayers and to their credit they’ve avoided the all those tax wheezes (vis Starbucks) worldwide.

          Arnott may be jumping the gun on the 1p per stick business. 20p a pack adds to inflation and Osborne’s already on record as saying he’ll be sticking to the 2% escalator for the 2015 budget.

          If it ever gets past the theory stage, it’s almost certain to be a levy applied directly to the tobacco firms, which they’ll sneak in to the retail price in due course. And it’ll never get close to 20p a pack if the Tories defy gravity and win outright in 2015.

          Back to the beginning. This stinks of a Lib/Dem ambush. It’s got their level of stupid slapped all over it.

        • Rose says:

          Thank you for your assessment, Smokingscot.

          I’d be talking about shifting domicile out of the UK and only accounting to the exchequer for sales and profits made here

          So would I.

          Enough is enough.

          LibDems, eh? Well they know they won’t have to carry the can

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Stressed-Out CVS Back To Selling Cigarettes After Only 3 Months

    WOONSOCKET, RI—Ninety days after the pharmacy chain’s public announcement that it would cease carrying tobacco products, a visibly on edge and jittery CVS

    WOONSOCKET, RI—Ninety days after the pharmacy chain’s public announcement that it would cease carrying tobacco products, a visibly on edge and jittery CVS broke its vow and resumed selling cigarettes, sources confirmed Wednesday. “We were doing pretty well there for a while, but it’s been a tough quarter for us, and combined with all the stress of the holidays, we just had to sell a few smokes,” said CVS spokesperson Elliot Steingart, who admitted that after suffering a breakdown over the busy Thanksgiving weekend and selling a few Marlboros, the company was back up to 40,000 packs a day. “We tried selling more nicotine patches back in November, but that wasn’t cutting it. At this point, we just decided, all right, let’s let ourselves sell as many cigarettes as we want over the next few weeks to get it out of our system and then quit for good on January 1.” Steingart added that CVS customers shouldn’t be too concerned about the company as it has always sold cigarettes in moderation, except when it sells alcohol at the same time.,37580/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic%3A3%3ADefault

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Scott Ewing‎M.A.S.H. (Michigan Against Smoker Harassment)

    1 hr · Edited ·


    From Audrey Silk- Been meaning to comment — for the sake of our own data collection — on the latest smoking prevalence report to come out the CDC that the news has treated us to and many might have already seen. It was accompanied by the boast that it’s the lowest ever (well, that’s debatable since for curious reasons they use the year 2005 as the comparison point and I haven’t had time to investigate THAT angle).

    However, the angle I HAVE looked into — and our primary complaint — is that no matter the year they are reporting on, the figures are essentially shots in the dark each time.

    So here’s the CDC’s claim that made headlines around the globe:

    “The proportion of U.S. adults who smoke cigarettes declined from 20.9% in 2005 to 17.8% [42.1 million] in 2013…” *

    *(“Current” = respondents who reported smoking ≥100 cigarettes during their lifetime and, at the time of interview, reported smoking every day or some days.)

    Then here’s their caveat:

    “[T]hese estimates might differ from those from other surveillance systems.”

    So right they are. Because the other large survey conducted by the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services finds this for 2013:

    “Also, 55.8 million persons (21.3 percent of the population) were current
    cigarette smokers;” *

    *(“Current” = past month)

    So who’s right? NONE of them. Thus the CDC’s boast of an “all time low” is bullshit.

    Current Cigarette Smoking Among Adults — United States, 2005–2013

    Ahmed Jamal, MBBS1, Israel T. Agaku, DMD1, Erin O’Connor, MS1, Brian A. King, PhD1, John B. Kenemer, MPH1, Linda Neff, PhD1 (Author affiliations at end of text)

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Iro CyZane‎” Anti smoking exposed – Tobacco Control Out of Control” – Fighting Back

    December 2 at 10:50pm ·


    For those who still can’t imagine how much influence Big Pharma exercises on anti-smoking efforts, feast your eyes. This is Pfizer alone in the US alone and only from 2012 – 2014. The funding was much heavier in the mid 2000’s when smoking bans were implemented one town and state at a time. And it doesn’t even begin to tell the story with RWJF and other pharmaceutical interests.

    You know when I keep saying that the bribes are running rampant? They’re even bribing the private sector now, take a look at this one:

    Smoking Cessation
    Smoke Free Giant Eagle – Driving Smoking Cessation among Customers of a Regional Supermarket Chain $178,100.00

    Funded Initiatives | Pfizer: One of the world’s premier biopharmaceutical companies

    Funded Initiatives Pfizer will publish full proposals of funded initiatives, in addition to any milestone updates, interim reports, final outcomes assessments and any other relevant, pertinent data and information that may be of interest to the healthcare community. Strategies for duplication and di…

    • carol2000 says:

      What, you think that Pfizer is funding all those projects? HOGWASH. They’re just hitting up Pfizer for free quit-smoking crap to hand out. Government money is certainly behind most of them, including using other organizations to pass-through the money. So those projects would be going on anyhow, with or without free quit-smoking crap from Pfizer, et al. Blaming Pfizer for anti-smoking is completely incompetent and for reasons that should be obvious, utterly ineffectual.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        other organizations to pass-through the money,I agree completely its pat of the shakedown that’s been done to force money out of everyone!

        Pfizer was just busted in China and fined a cool half billion for bribery charges all over China………..

        • carol2000 says:

          They probably get a tax writeoff on the quit-smoking crap as a “cost of doing business,” which they’d inflate as high as possible, of course.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Im thinking the court ordered fine for a cool half billion was just a front for a half billion dollar bribe to th government and its officials

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just heard gasoline in Oklahoma hits 1.99 a gallon…………………..I know brits buy by the Liter so figure it out. If it drops to 1.19 a gallon and Obama is gone……………..look out world we will be on the road back to industrialization again………..less all the government red taped BS.

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    British Sniper Sets New Long Distance Kill Shot Record – 8,120 Feet

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    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Afghanistan –( Here is something that has been in the news recently and is worth bringing up again. In 2009 a British Army soldier by the name of Corporal Craig Harrison, of the Household Cavalry, set a new record for the longest shot in combat. Twice. Cpl. Harrison fired two shots at Taliban machine gunners in Afghanistan.

      They were confirmed via GPS to be 8,120 feet from Cpl. Harrison’s position.

      That is 1.54 miles. More than a mile and a half. To make it even more astounding, the range was almost 3,000 feet beyond what is considered the effective range of the weapon. At that range the bullet takes around 3 seconds to reach the target.

      The previous record was set in 2002 for a sniper kill at 7,972 ft. That shot was made by Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong, of Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, who was using a .50BMG McMillan TAC-50 rifle.

      Harrison accomplished this feat with the above pictured weapon, a Accuracy International L115A3 Rifle.


      • harleyrider1978 says:

        You Brits have some fine snipers……..

        The Greatest Sniper Shot in History: Six Taliban Killed With One Bullet

        The British military said it believes a lance corporal surpassed all previous records with one pull of the trigger.

        A British sniper killed six Taliban fighters with a single bullet in a shot that has been hailed as the greatest since the invention of the gun.

        At a range of more than half a mile, the 20-year-old struck a terrorist who was rigged with explosives. The would-be suicide bomber’s vest detonated, killing five fellow fighters. Britain’s Ministry of Defense believes the shot has surpassed all previous records of its kind. “I’m sure there are tales of heroics from the Second World War which would rival it but certainly in recent memory no one has achieved such a thing,” a military official told The Daily Beast.

        The bullet was fired from an L115 long-range rifle, adapted from the Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Super Magnum. The same weapon already held the record for the longest recorded sniper kill, another shot fired by a British soldier, who killed a Taliban target in Helmand province from more than 1.5 miles away.

        The British military believes the six-man shot, which took place in Kakaran in southern Afghanistan last December, foiled a large-scale coordinated suicide attack as a second explosive vest was discovered nearby.

        The marksman, a lance corporal in the Coldstream Guards, was 930 yards from his target when he squeezed the trigger. There was a short pause after the subsequent explosion and he said over the radio: “I think I’ve just shot a suicide bomber.”

        The incident was one of the rare direct gun battles still ongoing in Afghanistan as British and American troops withdraw from the country. Several hundred British and Afghan soldiers were carrying out an operation at the end of last year when the sniper spotted a potential attacker.

        “The guy was wearing a vest. He was identified by the sniper moving down a tree line and coming up over a ditch,” Lieutenant Colonel Richard Slack told The Telegraph. “He had a shawl on. It rose up and the sniper saw he had a machine gun. They were in contact and he was moving to a firing position. The sniper engaged him and the guy exploded.”

        With his first shot on the tour of duty, the same sniper killed a Taliban machine-gunner from 1,465 yards.

        • carol2000 says:

          The desert makes a sniper’s job easy compared to Nam, where they couldn’t see or hear the enemy until they were really close and firing would of course expose the sniper’s position, making it hard to get away from any non-dead/wounded enemy.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Carol I grew up on Camp Lejune Marine base with 6 uncles doing tours in nam.

          My uncle Fred 2nd recon battalion special forces had a nite time sniper kill at 1700 meters.

          I just cant find any stats on that nite kills………….

  14. carol2000 says:

    Michael Bloomberg’s latest fraud – The Emerging Global Health Crisis [sic]
    Noncommunicable Diseases in Low- and Middle-Income Countries
    from the Council on Foreign Relations
    Former Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels (Republican) and a stooge of Barack Obama (Democrat) are co-chairs – proving 1) that there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the parties, and 2) when they work together it’s because they’re up to no good. Former Wisconsin Governor Tommy G. Thompson (Republican), and other Obama cronies are members of the “task force”

    • waltc says:

      What’s interesting is that talk radio today (well, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity) landed hard on the absurdity of busting someone for selling cigarettes and the root cause of Gardener’s death being the extortionate regressive taxes in greedy self-righteous NY. Rush went on to say that the progressives delight in manufacturing irrational fears and creating a cringing clamoring populous .

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Senate hearings in July showed the same ill effects of the 1920s in todays world of smoking bans and High Taxation with MASSIVE BOOTLEGGING and lost revenues with heavy enforcement costs.

        ” The high tax burden on tobacco results in de facto prohibition of the products, bringing all the undesirable outcomes associated with alcohol prohibition in the 1920s. In our research we have found evidence of substantial tobacco smuggling from low to high tax jurisdictions, violent crime, theft of tobacco and tobacco tax stamps, corruption of law-enforcement officers, and even funding of terrorist organizations through crime rings.”

        People are smoking more now than ever as your anti-smoking world collapases around you.

        Tobacco Taxation and Unintended Consequences: U.S. Senate Hearing on Tobacco Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded

        July 29, 2014


        Scott Drenkard

        Drenkard Statement to U.S. Senate Finance Committee July 2014

        Hearing on Tobacco: Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded
        Before the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance

        Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Hatch, and members of the Committee:

        I appreciate the opportunity to submit this statement on tobacco taxes and their impact across the country. In the 77 years since our founding in 1937, the Tax Foundation has monitored tax policy trends at the federal and state levels, and our data and research are heavily relied upon by policymakers, the media, and the general public. Our analysis is guided by the idea that taxes should be as simple, neutral, transparent, and stable as possible, and as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, nonpartisan organization, we take no position on any pending legislation.

        We hope that the material we provide will be helpful in the Committee’s consideration of the issue.

        Executive Summary

        Tobacco taxes are the highest they have ever been in the United States. The federal rate currently stands at $1.0066 per pack of cigarettes, and state and local rates add as much as an additional $6.16 per pack (as in Chicago, Illinois). These combined rates are equivalent to a tax in excess of 200 percent in some locales.

        The high tax burden on tobacco results in de facto prohibition of the products, bringing all the undesirable outcomes associated with alcohol prohibition in the 1920s. In our research we have found evidence of substantial tobacco smuggling from low to high tax jurisdictions, violent crime, theft of tobacco and tobacco tax stamps, corruption of law-enforcement officers, and even funding of terrorist organizations through crime rings.

        The Mackinac Center for Public Policy estimates that 56.9 percent of the cigarettes consumed in New York State in 2012 were smuggled into the state from other locales. Other states with substantial smuggling problems include Arizona (51.5 percent), New Mexico (48.1 percent), Washington (48.0 percent) and Wisconsin (34.6 percent).

        In addition to smuggling authentic cigarettes from low to high tax jurisdictions, criminals sometimes skirt the legal market altogether and counterfeit name brand products and state tobacco tax stamps. Cigarette counterfeiting is a highly profitable international business that exposes consumers to products with increased levels of dangerous chemicals like lead and thallium. Other sources report finding insect eggs, dead flies, mold, and human feces in counterfeit cigarettes. One source estimates that the Chinese cigarette counterfeiting business produces 400 billion cigarettes per year.

        In 1994, federal cigarette excise taxes in Canada were cut from $16 to $11 per carton because cigarette smuggling had grown so pervasive.

    • beobrigitte says:

      A Staten Island grand jury cleared an NYPD cop in the chokehold death of Eric Garner during his caught-on-video arrest for peddling loose cigarettes, the Staten Island district attorney confirmed Wednesday.

      I didn’t know it was a crime to sell cigarettes. I guess, that’s the new New York for you; everyone getting carried away on the anti-smoker bandwagon.

      Mr. Garner was quite a big man who would not easily be brought down. Yet we can see that he hit the pavement where he clearly can be heard saying that he can’t breathe.
      I do wonder if the police holding him down had the sneering thought: ‘that’s what fat ones who sell cigarettes get’… I also wonder if this would happen in other towns in the States; perhaps it was a good thing that I gave cigarettes away when being offered $1 for one!!

      Weren’t there in the last weeks protests in various American towns over the officer shooting a black teenager not being charged with murder? Am I wrong in beginning to think that there is a kind of uneasy restlessness in the US; people are fed up.
      I can also see the beginnings of this here.
      Taking away peoples’ comforts makes them miserable and argumentative. Perhaps ASH et al know that there is change on the horizon, so they start putting the silliest of their silly ideas into 0.5 watt lightbulb heads of politicians.

  15. beobrigitte says:

    Brazil’s smoking ban entered into force this Wednesday (3), nearly three years after being passed.

    And they waited for the football world cup to be over with, too.

    Brazil looked a really interesting country. I decided I’ll bury the plan to visit it next to the buried plan to visit Australia. When I am on holiday, I do wish to be treated as a paying guest. So far I have spent quite some time and cash in Austria. But the anti-smokers are moving in there, too. I did notice that one restaurant on top of a glacier was already non-smoking. It was empty and a guy was very quick to offer us all sorts of food and drink. I declined with the words that I do not eat where I get kicked out the door and suggested to the others to wait until we get back into the valley to visit the Greek place that puts ASHTRAYS on tables. (Which is what we did!)

    Sure, sooner or later smokers will have nowhere to go on holiday. So we stay at home and invite friends and/or do short trips to places that sell tobacco cheaper than England. Since January this year I have not bought tobacco in England, I put each week £30 into my ‘tobacco’ account. In these 47 weeks I accumulated £1470 of which I have used £587 for two cheap flights and a further £167 for the purchase of ‘American Spirit’ that has lasted me until now. I used a further £76 for e-liquid.
    The latter is what kills the anti-smoking zealots the most and their attacks on vaping have become senseless. Good. The more nonsense they produce the better for us all. Keep it coming, tobacco control, keep it coming. BEFORE the next election, please.

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