Leaders Live

I never used to be much interested in politics. I just voted Lib Dem regular as clockwork. Because they were ‘liberal’. And they were ‘democratic’ too. What more could anyone ask for?

That all ended when 95% of the Lib Dem MPs in parliament voted for the illiberal and undemocratic smoking ban. I’ve not voted for them since.

So I jumped at the chance to watch Nigel Farage being quizzed by representatives of British ‘youth’ today. I only caught the last 20 minutes of the live event. But caught up with the rest on YouTube. It starts 37 minutes in.

I thought he did pretty well, particularly since some of his young interrogators seemed to think that UKIP roasted and ate babies every Sunday lunch.

I think all the other UK party leaders are doing the same show. But I won’t bother to watch them. They don’t smoke. Or pretend not to.

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  1. Yes, he did well for being placed in front of a group of leftie, mind-controlled plants, who clearly had no idea about UKIP’s policies or intention to do anything other than harass him.

    Host: “If you don’t do politics, politics will do you.”

    This is what I don’t get about people I talk to who “aren’t interested in politics” yet give about half their earnings to the government in one tax or another and are seeing their freedoms disappearing and their country becoming unrecognisable. To me it’s just bizarre that they manage to separate politics from what’s happening in their own lives.

    Anyway, the first young man suggests that 25% foreign-born citizens is a requirement for a country to be successful and cites two countries in his defence, one being Australia, which Nisakiman vowed never to return to in the comments under yesterday’s post.

    And I can’t believe the second bloke – the first gobby black fella – is just an average member of the community and not a plant.

    The “wound-up” bloke with the Fijian (was it?) mother was something else, just reeling off one lie after another.

    I really wondered how they had picked this motley crew and when Nigel said re. “gay marriage” that, “If gay people have rights then Christian people and people of faith should have rights as well” and the bloke beside the questioner shakes his head and laughs, completely uncomprehending the notion. His expression is remarkable and worrying. It starts at 1:07:35.

    When they were about to start on immigration, I decided I’d had enough from this specially-chosen studio audience with a deck of cards between them: some playing the “race” card, the “homophobia” card, etc. These days I can only take so much pap, especially from know-all political types who all (so far) apart from maybe the first girl, sorry young woman, came to the studio with malevolence in his heart.

    Typical mainstream chicanery. Unfortunately, these young people have been so brainwashed it’s quite unbelievable, so it’s maybe now or never for UKIP to prove to the younger voters that they’re not going to send back legal immigrants or horsewhip homosexuals or have all their apparent billionaire bankers and stockbrokers running everything.

    • prog says:

      Most young people are left wing. They think it’s cool and believe that the ‘haves’ should give to the ‘have.nots’ (including most of themselves, obviously). They have no qualms about inheriting assets accrued by their parents, it’s their right after all. Most are also very confused as to what constitutes liberalism and seem to think that this is achieved by legislation when, in reality, it generally has the opposite effect. It’s a major sign of failure when TPTB bombard citizens with penalties/laws designed to erode freedom and raise money. Not to mention going on half of income finding its way to The Treasury to pay for all the shite.

      I’m reminded of quote by Mark Twain –

      ‘When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.’

      14 and 21 are perhaps not really appropriate in this day and age, otherwise spot on.

  2. Lepercolonist says:

    Nigel Farage received 70% online approval from this broadcast. His positions on the EU, democracy and immigration were spot-on.

    Here in the U.S., a fierce court battle is brewing over corporate wellness programs. Tobacco users are severley penalized :

    EEOC takes aim at wellness programs increasingly offered by employers

    BY MICHELLE ANDREWS, KAISER HEALTH NEWS December 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM EST
    Do it or else. Increasingly, that’s the approach taken by employers who are offering financial incentives for workers to take part in wellness programs that incorporate screenings that measure blood pressure, cholesterol and body mass index, among other things.

    The controversial programs are under fire from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which filed suit against Honeywell International in October charging, among other things, that the company’s wellness program isn’t voluntary. It’s the third lawsuit filed by the EEOC in 2014 that takes aim at wellness programs and it highlights a lack of clarity in the standards these programs must meet in order to comply with both the 2010 health law and the landmark Americans with Disabilities Act.

    Honeywell, based in Morristown, N.J., recently got a reprieve when a federal district court judge declined to issue a temporary restraining order preventing the company from proceeding with its wellness program incentives next year. But the issue is far from resolved, and the EEOC is continuing its investigations. Meanwhile, business leaders are criticizing the EEOC action, including a recent letter from the Business Roundtable to administration officials expressing “strong disappointment” in the agency’s actions.

    In the Honeywell wellness program, employees and their spouses are asked to get blood drawn to test their cholesterol, glucose and nicotine use, as well as have their body mass index and blood pressure measured. If an employee refuses, he’s subject to a $500 surcharge on health insurance and could lose up to $1,500 in Honeywell contributions to his health savings account. He and his spouse are also each subject to a $1,000 tobacco surcharge. That means the worker and his spouse could face a combined $4,000 in potential financial penalties.

  3. Zaphod says:

    I wouldn’t have watched if I’d realized how long it is, but I’m glad I did!
    If these questioners were “plants”, they were beaten comprehensively, and they seemed to know it. If I were anti-UKIP, I’d think they were fake plants, deliberately set up to fail!

    In an ideal world, we’d have lots of Farages in politics, including some I disagree with. Every party needs a Farage, so we have a real choice.

  4. virtualbarman says:

    I thought Nigel did remarkably well!

    He kept his cool against the ‘mob’ and pulled fact after fact out of his memory – amazing!

    I thought it was very interesting that the ‘mob’ were obviously against him and most of the ‘tweets’ they chose to display were anti-Nigel/UKIP – yet he won all three votes.

    No doubt they will give millibland an easier ride next week….

  5. wobbler2012 says:

    He did well but the studio audience was more rigged than a BBC Question Time one, and that takes some doing.

  6. magnetic01 says:

    Simon Crapman is at it again advocating licenses for smokers:

    But his hare-brained “radical” idea isn’t new. He recycles it every year or so for “discussion”.

    More on Crapman’s “radical” idea over the last few years:
    2011
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/now-butt-out-new-push-seeks-to-outlaw-cigarettes-20110521-1ey2s.html

      • Frank Davis says:

        Of course, once smokers need licences, in no time at all drinkers will need licences too. And then the ‘obese’. And then everybody will need a licence to do everything, including going for a walk or sitting on a beach or flying a kite.

        “Got a kite licence, son? No? Sorry, but you can’t fly kites here. There’s a designated kite-flying area on the other side of town. Here’s your ticket for flying an unauthorized kite. If you pay $50 by the 1st of the month, you won’t get a $100 surcharge.”

        • magnetic01 says:

          Unfortunately, it’s all intended to “help” smokers quit:

          While Professor Chapman last year proposed a scheme where smokers sit a pre-licence test on the risks of smoking and limits on how many cigarettes they buy, professors Currow and Magnusson said a simpler system was required. They said smartcards without these features would still enable health authorities to detect ”patterns and variations in smokers’ behaviour and to develop more sophisticated, individualised communications to assist smokers to quit. It will enable rigorous evaluation of smoking cessation programs, ensuring that public health dollars are focused on evidence-based strategies that yield the best returns.”

          http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/smartcard-licence-scheme-proposed-for-smokers-20130804-2r7pr.html?#comments

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Don’t forget a Carbon Liscence for Humans for breathing………….

          Its no more radical an idea than the Insanity of smoking bans.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          With that they will regulate how much you can buy per week or month or day. Its no less a Ration Card for tobacco…………With it they can force reduce your consumption at least on legally sold tobacco unless they also demand nicotine level testing for smokers as part of the Liscence and regulation. That way they can have a checks and balance rule to make sure your being weened off tobacco.

          At least that’s how I see it being done…………..My self Id just sit on my porch with my AR-15 waiting on em!

    • beobrigitte says:

      90% of smokers wish they had never started smoking? REALLY???? Crapman-wishful-paid-for-thinking.

      Specifying the number of smokes/day? Sure. No Problem. I require 1,674 345 789. 78459821/day

      Then we hear that, if we give up smoking, we would get back our LICENCE FEE if we stop smoking? What licence fee?

      And, this nutt has the audacity to ask at the end: ” What do you think?”
      I guess he would not like my answer.

      My question is: WHO pays nutters like him to come up with imbecile ideas??

      • In the UK, the taxpayer stumps up the cost for these nutters, but this fascist, Chapman, seems to want to go even further (although I’m sure that our nutters intend to roll out the same scheme themselves).

        Chapman works at the University of Sydney, so I guess the Australian taxpayers are, as usual, paying to be persecuted.

        But the truth is that the real nutters are in the governments because it is they who want this legislation and who listen to these minion nutters and say to themselves, “That’s a nutty idea; unfair and totalitarian; in fact completely sick; let’s do it”.

        In fact, the uber-nutters are at the WHO and our ‘elected representatives’ all over the world are just doing as they are told, which is the reason they suffer these minions in ‘universities’ and ‘charities’ who provide the ‘expert’ advice required to enact the sort of legislation we are used to. I don’t even think ‘smart cards’ are in the FCTC (yet), although it is open to changes as time goes on, so they might have discussed it behind closed doors in Moscow or elsewhere or sent emails to their useful idiots like Chapman and Ms Arnott.

        But smart cards would enable better use of resources for smoking cessation and such, so “the professors said the benefits of a scheme outweighed this concern.”

        And it would help people get used to the idea of everyone carrying ID cards, which the nutters in government would love. They would also love us all to be barcoded or chipped. Maybe they’ll try it on smokers first? A barcode and third-hand smoke warning on the forehead?

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    Smoking curbs should be welcomed by all

    Ireland has led the way in many aspects of anti-smoking legislation and it is the ambition of Minister for Children (and former Minister for Health) Dr James Reilly that eventually Ireland will be ‘smoke free’.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/smoking-curbs-should-be-welcomed-by-all-30794141.html

    SirSmoker
    Mr. Reilly is a true and professional Prohibitionist no different than those in the anti-cigarette league of the last Century.

    Simon Chapman of Australias anti-smoking activist is once again pushing for SMOKING LISCENCES for all smokers in Australia.

    These are not isolated incidences these wild claims to push the Bully State.

    It was once said first they came for the Smokers but I was not a smoker and then they came for the rest of us!

    They in Public Health in the name of the Children as all great oppressive governments do is use the children for their own oppressive agendas. No thought is given to the idea of Individual Liberty,Businesses right to run their own affairs or the rights of parents over their own childrens upbringing.

    No we have a complete Public Health system with but one aim to control us all with junk science claims of harm and with each passing day the claims get wilder and bolder at the same time the so called cures get meaner,nastier and down right anti-freedom to all of us.

    Its past time the people and everyone else saw these so called Public Healthists for who they actually are.

    They’ve long since abandoned their true public health mandates and moved onto lifestyle policeman.

    Whatever your political view point,the day will come when those you support may well and truly make you a criminal just for doing what you have always done…………

    De-normalization camapigns such as anti-smoking are being used on everyone whether they know it or not and under the same model as anti-smoking laws and tactics.

    They call it a success,we the people call it serfdom!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Well I will be damned they posted my above comment…………….lord have mercy wtf is up!

      • Smoking Lamp says:

        That is amazing given that about 1/2 of my comments at mainstream media sites are rejected, held in perpetual moderation, or deleted after initial success at posting. So much for free debate. I’m glad you got one through.

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    Nationwide Smoking Ban Enters in Force

    12/03/2014 – 08h54

    NATÁLIA CANCIAN
    FROM BRASÍLIA

    Brazil’s smoking ban entered into force this Wednesday (3), nearly three years after being passed.

    Smoking is now prohibited in all enclosed areas open to the public, across the whole country. This even includes smoking areas partially enclosed by walls, roofs or tarpaulin.

    There are also new restrictions on cigarette advertising. Tobacco products are allowed to be displayed, but advertising in shops and bars is now banned.

    Health warnings will now occupy the entire back of the cigarette pack, as well as one of the sides.

    Premises which are found to be in breach of the legislation may face a fine of anything from US $777 (R$2000) to US $583,000 (R$1.5 million), as well as potentially having their license revoked.

    Individual smokers will not face any penalty.

    While the law was approved in 2011, the details were not agreed upon until this year. Part of the delay was down to discussion between various sectors with the tobacco lobby.

    Brazilian states that had their own laws previously will be obliged to comply with the new rules.

    According to the Tobacco Smoking Control Alliance (ACT+), 22 states had smoking bans, as well as the capital Brasília. However, just eight of these bans extended to enclosed smoking areas. This is considered the principal change introduced by the new legislation.

    Specialists see the new law as progress.

    “These changes deconstruct the association made in the advertising between smoking and freedom, which especially targeted adolescents,” says Danielle Barata, from the Centre of Studies on Tobacco and Health, at the Fundação Oswaldo Cruz (Fiocruz). “By changing the law, you change the paradigm.”

    In 2013 alone, hospitalizations resulting from smoking related diseases cost the Ministry of Health US $544 million (R$1.4 billion).

    For Ana Cecília Marques, president of the Brazilian Association of Studies on Alcohol and other Drugs (Abead), the law may reduce the number of young people that take up smoking. “When there’s less exposure, it becomes less accessible, and the chance of them starting is less.”

    The experience of the states that had already implemented smoking bans, such as São Paulo, shows reduction in the number of smokers, as well as improvements in the quality of life of non-smokers.

    The executive director of the Tobacco Smoking and Health Control Alliance, Paula Johns, says that as people generally begin smoking in social situations, the new law will help to prevent addiction before it starts.

    While she welcomes the new legislation, she argues that it does not go far enough. For example, there are still no restrictions on the size of cigarette display cabinets, nor has a single standard been established for packaging.

    Another possibility is that tobacco shops – in which smoking will still be permitted – may be transformed into smoke-friendly restaurants.

    The Tobacco Industry Association (Abifumo) was not available for comment.
    http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2014/12/1556892-nationwide-smoking-ban-enters-in-force.shtml

    NO COMMENTS

  9. Smoking licenses will be purchased by non smokers, who will then sell on their ration to smokers at a profit. When they are tired of the game, they just claim back the license money with compound interest. Simples,

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Yup unless they test for nicotine levels in users an non-smokers as a pre-requisite to getting the liscence. It makes it not so simple then.

      • Frank Davis says:

        And I suppose donut levels in donut “users”.

      • Rose says:

        They could eat eggplant, first, Harley.

        “The nicotine content of aubergines, a concentration of 0.01 mg per 100g, is low in absolute terms, but is higher than any other edible plant.”
        The amount of nicotine consumed by eating eggplant may be comparable to being in the presence of a smoker, depending on the cooking method.

        On average, 9 kg (20 lbs) of eggplant contains about the same amount of nicotine as a cigarette.”
        http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggplant

        But that huge amount is really only an equivalent if you eat your cigarettes.

        1992 – Method for Cotinine Analysis, which Indicates Amount of Smoke Exposure
        http://www.cdc.gov/cdc50/amazing.htm

        1996
        Exposure to Second-Hand Smoke Widespread

        “Nearly 9 out of 10 non-smoking Americans are exposed to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS, or second-hand smoke), as measured by the levels of cotinine in their blood, according to a study conducted by HHS’ Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

        The data, reported by CDC in this week’s edition of the “Journal of the American Medical Association,” shows measurable levels of cotinine in the blood of 88 percent of all non-tobacco users. The presence of cotinine, a chemical the body metabolizes from nicotine, is documentation that a person has been exposed to tobacco smoke.”
        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/96news/nrsmoke.htm

        If it worked for the CDC all those years ago, it should surely work for an enterprising non-smoker who wanted a licence.

        Baking the eggplant should concentrate the nicotine nicely, in theory.

        • Rose says:

          On further thought, there’s a lot of water in an aubergine, you could always use a food dehydrator to make the amount they’d need to eat even smaller. I was looking at buying a dehydrator earlier in the year to deal with a glut of strawberries

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Rose the food born levels approach if I remember right only about 7 nanograms/l
          Even in SHS continine levels for supposed SHS smokers was only about 1.7 nanograms or so maybe a tad higher………..Smokers continine levels are way higher we all must admit.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Besides I shouldn’t be giving old Simon any freeking ideas to start with the bastards…….

        • Rose says:

          But Harley, if a non smoker who wanted to get a smoking licence had to pass a cotinine test to prove he was a smoker, which was the original premise of the question, tried patches or gum they’d end up very dizzy and sick.

          Even I got dizzy and sick when I experimented with nicotine patches to see if they worked some years ago..

          I was just working out a safer alternative.

      • beobrigitte says:

        There’s sugar in more or less everything.

        Not anymore. Big Sugar (ironically being fructose) is quietly being replaced with Aspartame.

        https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx

        And I thought what my (non-smoking) friend told me last month was OTT conspiracy theory. Perhaps I should start reading up more….

      • Smoking Lamp says:

        Either way, this license scheme will fuel the black market.

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Govt retreats in face of hostility, ban on sale of loose cigarettes may be put… The Financial Express 10:02

    http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/govt-retreats-in-face-of-hostility-ban-on-sale-of-loose-cigarettes-may-be-put-on-hold/15428/

  11. beobrigitte says:

    Having watched only the first 5 minutes so far, I must say Nigel Farage’s idea of Europe is exactly what I have come to think to be the best. Trading with neighbours makes sense, an European Dictatorsh… erm… government does not.

    Our European Dictatorsh… erm… government has decided that there are different types of Europeans. Those who fit and those who are being told to be glad that they are being dragged along on the fringes of this “great” union. The polish europeans are the most interesting ones. Whilst Poland has to conform to EVERY EU whim, the EU has no problem with the polish average wage being in the region of £300/month. Naturally, polish workers migrate. They enter England, where they are being told that their A-level equivalent is not recognized. On re-sitting these exams in England the Polish youngsters quickly did discover that their A-Level standard was way above what they had to produce now.
    Seasonal Polish workers are more than welcomed – my youngest once did a seasonal job in a farm where he met a Polish co-worker. Both quickly discovered that there was a wage difference. My youngest was paid minimum wage (£6.40/hour) – the Polish guy (never took breakes, let alone not working unpaid overtime) was paid £4.20/hour.
    The EU is really good at exploitation of hard working people.

    And…
    I wish I had had HIS job – for everything I own I had to WORK hard for.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11266362/Herman-Van-Rompuy-will-be-paid-over-500000-by-the-EU-to-do-nothing.html
    No wonder that he is laughing whilst I want to throw up. He is retiring on MY contribution paid mostly into the English system! (I chose to live in England, therefore I contribute. I have no problem with that. Which Country did this &$#@hole… erm…. …. erm…. god-knows-what pay his tax contribution to? (France isn’t paying towards my retirement, I never paid into their system.)

    The EU has a lot of things going horribly, horribly wrong. A new, only 50 odd year old, tobacco control seizes its moment, reviving a legacy I have inherited.

    Tobacco Control, your children inherit, too.

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    Grant to fund no smoking effort in Glen Allan

    GLEN ALLAN, Miss. — Washington County is applying for a grant to help start a smoke-free campaign in the community of Glen Allan.

    Tasha Bailey is the Mississippi Tobacco Coalition’s project director for Issaquena, Sharkey and Washington counties. She tells the Delta Democrat Times (http://bit.ly/1yfcIhp ) the money will allow the group to put up signs, host activities and bring awareness to the people in Glen Allan.

    Bailey says those activities will lead to efforts to pass a no-smoking ordinance in Glen Allan, which is located in southern Washington County near Lake Washington.

    Bailey says if the ordinance were to pass in Glen Allan, it would join 88 cities and towns in Mississippi that are smoke-free.

    Bailey says the Washington County Board of Supervisors could vote on the ordinance as soon as February.

    Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/2014/12/03/5948960_grant-to-fund-no-smoking-effort.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      It is against IRS and Federal Laws to use grants for direct lobbying efforts. Tasha Bailey has openly and publicly admitted these funds will be used ILLEGALLY and she and anyone else who hears or meets with her under any circumstance such as city councilors is also guilty of the lobbying laws and could be Indicted under Federal Guidelines for such activities.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Ive a feeling they applied for a bluecross blueshield grant under obamacare funds from that 9 billion a year slush fund. They don’t even have a web page much less any grant information on the grant itself. Gautier Ms was to get a 50 grand grant for community development but after the business owners bytched gautier recinded the ban………

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