Thinking Too Early In The Morning

H/T Mike F for William M. Briggs, on an encounter with an antismoker:

I had hit upon, quite by accident, The Argument, the one method of persuasion that has no counter, that works like garlic on vampires. If you enjoy it, it must be good. Not just as in it feels good, but that it is morally good because it feels good.

That set me thinking far too early in the morning to be good for me. Surely for self-denying antismokers, if something feels good, that’s the very best reason there is to condemn it and to suppress it?

And, aside from that, is something morally good just because it feels good? I’m sure that pickpockets must feel good when they successfully lift a wallet stuffed with large-denomination banknotes from someone’s back pocket. But does that make picking pockets morally good?

But anyway nobody has ever walked up to me and said that I shouldn’t smoke. It seems to happen regularly to other people, but not to me. Spectator columnist Rod Liddle wrote a few years ago about how someone had done that to him on a London street, and he’d just told them to fuck off. I hope I’d do the same.

The Mind-Your-Own-Business used to play strong. You did what you wanted, I did what I wanted, and with the usual provisos and within well known boundaries, as long we both kept to ourselves, we could still get along. We could even be friends.

But this idea is now dead. To modern moralists, everything is their business. And nothing makes them happier than telling people what to do.

Disagreement is not and cannot be tolerated.

We could even be friends… It follows that now that we can no longer get along, we can no longer be friends.

And that’s the conclusion that I’ve drawn about antismokers. We can’t get along. We can never be friends. You’re either on one side of all this, or you’re on the other, in what is a slowly emerging civil conflict, in which there’s no middle ground.

A link in one of the comments then took me to John Brignell’s review of MJM’s Tobakkocnacht, the first line of which I tripped over:

There is only one scientifically attested observation about tobacco, that there is a marked correlation between inhaling its concentrated smoke directly into the lungs and the development of cancerous growths in those delicate organs. Everything else you read about it is nonsense or, as we call it now, epidemiology. The great man who conceived the prospective study that led to that observation maintained his integrity to the bitter end and refused to lend his imprimatur to the waves of dodgy statistics that followed.

It reminded me immediately that the famous statistician Sir Ronald Fisher had managed to acquire the raw data from Doll and Hill’s 1950 London Hospitals study, and used it to show that the patients who inhaled tobacco smoke enjoyed a protective effect:

No particular importance need be attached to the test of significance. It disposes
at about the 1 per cent. level the hypothesis that inhalers and non-inhalers have the
same cancer incidence. Even equality would be a fair knock-out for the theory that
smoke in the lung causes cancer. The fact, however, and it is a fact that should have
interested Hill and Doll in 1950, is that inhalers get fewer cancers. and the difference
is statistically significant.

In short, the more concentrated the smoke, the fewer the cancers. Which is quite the opposite of the assertion in the first line. So not only is “everything else” nonsense, but so also is the “one scientifically attested observation.”

It’s all nonsense.

Anyway, once I’d got past that hurdle, the rest of the review was easy reading. I found little to disagree with.

The subtitle “The anti-smoking endgame” tells you much more about it: for this is the boastful claim being made by the proponents for the stage they have reached in their campaign. They have lied, lied and lied again to achieve their ends and have had the audacity to call their lies “science”. Along with their friends in the global warming campaign they have effectively brought the age of science to an end. They have achieved virtual control over the media and extra-governmental authorities (such as CDC and EPA) who have made blatantly fraudulent statistics deemed acceptable to the political class.

What we have these days is the simulacrum of science. The peer-reviewed papers have numbers and tables and charts and graphs. They look like science. But they are not science. Because the conclusions are drawn first, and then the data are collected to support the conclusions. The researchers are not interested in science, but in giving the appearance of being authoritative scientists whose word can be trusted, whether in respect of tobacco or carbon dioxide or anything else. They are interested in political power rather than scientific understanding. They were only ever pretending to be scientists so as to acquire the trappings of authority. In another era, they would have become priests or magicians.

The inevitable result, when people eventually realise that they’ve been duped, will be the complete collapse of public trust in science and scientists. Whereas once they believed everything they were told, people will cease to believe anything they’re told.

And why should they? Why, just because some research scientist publishes some peer-reviewed paper in some august journal, should anyone be obliged to believe it? And why should they be required to give reasons why they don’t believe it?  What’s wrong with simply saying, “I don’t believe it, that’s all.” Or, “I’ll carry on thinking what I used to think, thank you very much.”

Anyway Newton, Einstein, Watson and Crick, were not peer reviewed.

And all that before the clock struck noon.

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24 Responses to Thinking Too Early In The Morning

  1. Excellent read: perhaps early morning thinking is OK for us occasionally? And many thanks for the insight that James Watson and Francis Crick weren’t peer-reviewed. *chortle*
    I did a personal interview with MJM last autumn about Tobakkonacht, which ended up also covering his personal experience and thoughts on a much wider range of matters. Just re-read it and what he has to say is fascinating and of course echoes a lot of what you write in the above article.
    Hate giving a plug – I’m terribly English – but I will on this one occasion. For Michael, not me.
    http://www.f2c.org.uk/blog/2013/09/29/an-interview-with-michael-mcfadden/

  2. I have a feeling Frank and friends will find this interesting:
    Does smoking kill? Evidence in the “gold standard” random trials is very weak, writes professor of economics and social science, Robin Hanson:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/what-anti-smoking-evidence.html

    If you did not debate it earlier, of course …

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    That link I had posted 2 days ago hit me with a Trojan and I lost everything. Had to totally wipe and reload my new puter……………back up and running but lost all my files and that’s a BYTCH!

    • nisakiman says:

      Don’t you back up your files, harley? I’ve got an external hard drive specifically for back up purposes, so even if my internal HDD is completely wiped, I have everything; OS, software and files stored in a backup program on my external.

  4. SomeFrenchBloke says:

    “inhaling its concentrated smoke directly into the lungs”

    I wonder why people on both sides of the argument regularly use this expression.
    Some confusion seems to stem from two quite different meanings of the verb “to inhale” in English:
    1. to draw in by breathing
    2. to consume or swallow esp. eagerly or greedily “inhaled about four meals at once” (Ring Lardner)… to quote Webster’s definitions.

    A loose, metaphorical use of sense n° 2 applies more accurately to this form of active smoking, while sense n° 1 should be reserved to so-called passive smoking.

    Likewise, the word “epiglottis” is never mentioned anywhere in articles about smoking.
    The act of smoking can be said to be similar to drinking using a straw, so when an inhaling smoker takes in concentrated smoke into the back of the mouth, there is no way the smoke is “propelled” into the lungs since the epiglottis automatically blocks the access to the larynx (“covers the glottis during the act of swallowing”).
    The 17th century expression “drinking smoke” was thus (metaphorically) correct, while “inhaling [smoke] directly into the lungs” is (literally) misleading.

    There we have a simple, physiological reason why so many transplanted lungs come from some smoker’s much reviled body, most of the time to save some non-smoker’s (and occasionally some anti-smoker’s, to be sure) life.
    By the same token, this thin lamella is also a huge obstacle in the way of the “smoking detroys the lungs” theory (aka Black Lung Myth).
    Let us remember that Auerbach’s “smoking beagles”, even if some got “precancerous” tumors, had undergone tracheotomies.

    All the more reason to not waste time and energy getting involved in skirmishes about ETS/SHS, and to go directly for the main citadel, which is nothing more than a house of cards…

    • nisakiman says:

      The 17th century expression “drinking smoke” was thus (metaphorically) correct, while “inhaling [smoke] directly into the lungs” is (literally) misleading.

      Interestingly, in Greek, they have a verb ‘ to smoke’ (καπνίζω – kapnizo) which is used when referring to smoking tobacco cigarettes, But if the substance being smoked is dope, then they use the verb ‘to drink’ (πίνω – pino).

    • Frank Davis says:

      As I understand “inhaling”, there is a difference between those smokers who inhale smoke into their lungs, and those who don’t, and who are sometimes called “mouth-inhalers”. The latter only draw the smoke into their mouths, before puffing it back out. And this is usually how people start smoking.

      I’m an “inhaler”, but I inhale in an interesting way, which is to first draw the smoke into my mouth, and then draw in a considerable quantity of additional air to cool and dilute the concentrated smoke in my mouth, and only then inhaling the mixture into my lungs in much the same way that I inhale air. My epiglottis seems to pose no obstruction.

      A lot of inhalers (most?) seem to do exactly the same as me, but there do seem to be some people who inhale the concentrated hot smoke. I can’t do this. If I try I start coughing and spluttering. And I really do believe that I’d destroy my lungs if I ever did so. (Perhaps this is what non-smokers think smokers do, and why they are convinced that smokers have black lungs?).

      Water pipes do the same. Except that I think that they really only cool the smoke, rather than dilute it.

      All the more reason to not waste time and energy getting involved in skirmishes about ETS/SHS, and to go directly for the main citadel, which is nothing more than a house of cards…

      I couldn’t agree more. The ETS/SHS/passive smoking scare is really only an extension of the idea that active smoking is very dangerous. It’s the latter myth (now more or less written in stone) that needs to be demolished. And it is indeed a house of cards.

      • Rose says:

        Believe me, inhaling smoke from a plant that burns hotter than tobacco (lemon balm) the reaction is instant and instinctive, it won’t get anywhere near your lungs it’s just not possible, the back of your throat is bad enough.

        When you read something like this –

        “my thoughts and good wishes turn to all those smokers out there who would like to stop smoking – as in stop inhaling burning particles of organic matter and hot toxic gases deep into the lungs

        Where is the humility? Where is the empathy?

        – you just know that they are talking out of their hats and that there’s a very long way to go.

  5. nisakiman says:

    The great man who conceived the prospective study that led to that observation maintained his integrity to the bitter end…

    This is the same integrity, presumably, that he displayed when he told the Australian Royal Commission investigating the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam (and the detrimental effects that it appeared to have on the returning vets exposed to it), that there was no connection between AO and cancer.

    He was speaking as an independent, world renown cancer expert, but it was only after his death that it was discovered that at the time he was defending AO, he was being paid somewhere in the region of $1500 a day ‘consulting fees’ by Monsanto, the manufacturers of Agent Orange.

    Integrity? Hmmm…

    Click to access 00208.pdf

    • mikef317 says:

      I think the “great man” that John Brignell refers to is Auston Bradford Hill, not Richard Doll.

      Hill was the senior author / designer of the British Doctors study and the earlier Hospital study. Doll was someone Hill hired to do the work.

      I’ve read a bit of Hill, and while I don’t agree with him, I see a scientific mind trying to grapple with the facts. I can’t say the same for Doll.

      Hill retired and was mysteriously silent thereafter. Maybe because he saw where Tobacco Control was going and didn’t like it. Maybe he knew that any critique he expressed would be ignored or condemned? Damned if I know. While he lived a good number of years after retirement, Hill simply and silently exited the debate on smoking and all other scientific matters.

      Today Doll gets most of the credit for Hill’s work.

      • Frank Davis says:

        It was indeed Hill that Brignell was referring to.

        Hill retired and was mysteriously silent thereafter.

        Indeed. It’s rather strange. He’s last heard of in the early 1960s, and then seems to have fallen silent for 30 years until his death in 1991. He’s best known, it seems, for his criteria of causation. Which I must say I find far from convincing.

        • Junican says:

          I believe that it was after he retired that he wrote ‘the criteria’. I sometimes wonder if he was ‘pushed’ by Doll et al.

      • nisakiman says:

        I stand corrected. I sort of assumed it was Doll who was being referenced – I tend to forget about Hill’s input.

        I still don’t agree with their conclusions, though.

  6. margo says:

    Everyone is being very interesting today! On the subject of ‘it feels good’, have you all come across this nice poem? – a very old one, and I don’t know who wrote it, but it’s worth repeating, anyway:

    Tobacco is a filthy weed
    I like it
    It satisfies no normal need
    I like it
    It keeps you thin, it makes you lean, it takes the hair right off your bean
    It’s the worse darned stuff I ever seen
    I like it.

  7. Rod Little’s a prat. He would say that, seeing as he’s short on intellect and wit.

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    The Corrupting Effect of Political Activism in the University of California

    Click to access a_crisis_of_competence.pdf

  9. roobeedoo2 says:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/4Xrq9
    Clarkson on his mother’s death, incorporating loving words on cigarettes

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