We Don’t Need No Tobacco Control

I probably would have agreed with Simon Clark ten years ago.

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t believe there should be some degree of tobacco control, whether it involves marketing, age restrictions or places where you can smoke.

To that extent we’re all supporters of tobacco control.

Not any more though. Ten years of a tyrannical smoking ban have left me wanting all tobacco restrictions lifted. Because I no longer believe anything that I have ever been told about tobacco for the past 65 years.

Back then, you could smoke more or less everywhere, except churches. Well, when this ban is eventually lifted (as it will be), I want to see smoking in churches too. In fact I want to see vicars delivering sermons while puffing on pipes. And the congregations doing the same as they listen.

Back then, children weren’t supposed to smoke before the age of 16. Well, I’m sick to death of seeing chiiildren used as battering rams to force through one vindictive law after another. When the ban is lifted (as it will be), I want to see childhood abolished. Because since “childhood” was invented in Victorian England 150 years ago, we have all been gradually becoming children. Henceforth, children will be called “little people” and will have exactly the same status as everyone else. And if these little people want to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, then let them.

And as for marketing tobacco, why should there be restrictions? When the ban is lifted (as it will be), it will be freely advertised everywhere and sold everywhere in wonderfully attractive packaging without any restriction at all. And instead of those stupid sugar cigarettes with red tips that used to be sold to children little people, there’ll be half-size real cigarettes for them. And boxes of matches too. And ashtrays.

And as for the Tobacco Control Industry, why on earth should anyone support these charlatans and shysters? They have no value whatsoever. They do nothing but harm. Absolutely nothing.

They aren’t saving any lives, because tobacco isn’t killing anyone anyway – certainly not secondhand smoke – despite their cherry-picked studies claiming the opposite. And, furthermore, although the smoking ban was supposed to reduce the prevalence of smoking, it actually does the exact opposite: more people smoke.

There are no benefits whatsoever from smoking bans, but there are enormous costs. Smokers don’t stop smoking, but simply stay home and continue to smoke there. And because they stay home, they don’t spend at the pubs and cafes they used to frequent, so those places close in their thousands. And because smokers stay home, they don’t spend much elsewhere in the economy either, with the result that there is fall in demand across the entire economy as 20% of the population (40% in countries like Bulgaria) stay home, guaranteeing economic recession.

And worst of all, smoking bans are enormously socially divisive. They divide people into non-smoking insiders and smoking outsiders (“Smokers will be exiled to the outdoors,” Deborah Arnott gleefully predicted, and she was right). They divide communities, set friends against friends, husbands against wives, employers against employees. The entire fabric of society is riven from top to bottom.

It is a shameful obscenity that we now have a society in which a considerable minority of the population (20%) is now being demonised and marginalised in ways that evoke the memory of Nazi Germany.

Tobacco Control must be destroyed. It is utterly poisonous and predatory. It should be closed down, and its principal officers prosecuted for fraud, defamation, and any other charge that can be laid before them (including murder). We owe these people nothing at all. Quite the opposite: they owe us everything they have taken from us.

Only when they are gone, all gone, every single last one of them, will our battered society and bleeding economy begin to slowly recover.

About the archivist

smoker
This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink.

53 Responses to We Don’t Need No Tobacco Control

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    Tobacco Control must be destroyed. It is utterly poisonous and predatory. It should be closed down, and its principal officers prosecuted for fraud, defamation, and any other charge that can be laid before them (including murder). We owe these people nothing at all. Quite the opposite: they owe us everything they have taken from us.

    BRAVO!

  2. harleyrider1978 says:

    The Fed has painted itself into a corner. It has to keep printing money until the entire thing implodes.

    Chris Martenson on the Fed’s deep hole:

    http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/10/chris-martenson-on-shadow-banking….

  3. Tony says:

    Not quite so sure about children. Handing boxes of matches out to 3 year olds would be rather like giving statistical software packages to ignorant, prejudiced, non-doctors.

    Both groups would run around lighting fires and causing immense damage.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Good they can burn down the Empty Pubs!

    • Frank Davis says:

      Well, they’re always doing that anyway.

    • legiron says:

      In the sixties, my father sent me and my little brother to the corner shop to pick up his ten-pack of fags and some matches. We’d buy sweets with the change, They sold them to us no problem, until the law changed. Suddenly you had to be over 16 to buy the fags, but not the matches.

      I still remember his rage when we came back and said the shop said ‘no’. We should have followed him back down there to watch him verbally strip the shopkeeper to the bone.

      Soon you’ll have to be over 16 to buy the sweets too.

      See, once they start taking away freedoms and winning, they will never stop. I didn’t strike any of the matches I’d pick up for my father because in those days, we’d get whacked if we played with matches.

      These days, fathers do not have the freedoms to impose discipline, shops can’t even show the packets, you get age-checked if you look under 25 for fags and booze even though the age limit is 18, and I don’t know whether anyone can buy matches anymore, I have a Zippo.

      You get checked if you buy any sharp object, you get checked if you buy an air gun, even a Gat, which is more effective if you don’t bother with the pellets and instead hit things with it.

      Try buying a botle of whisky in the morning. The looks you get are those of someone who assumes you’ll be swigging it on the way home.

      Balance that lot against the actual, real likelihood of a 3-year-old trying to buy a box of matches (even if they have any money – and nothing in Frank’s article suggests handing them out for free) and which world do you prefer to live in?

      Choose the world of control and get ready for plain packaging and grisly warnings on everything you buy. Get ready for a 25 age limit on booze and fags, because that is why the shops are ‘thinking 25’ now. There are already proposals to raise the age of the driving test to 21, along with no driving unless accompanied by a driver over 30. 30! The age of adulthood will be 31! For a while.

      Seriously, the risk of a three year old getting hold of matches is far, far greater in the home than in the shops but also far, far less now that hardly anyone uses them any more. Few people have coal fires or gas cookers without piezoelectric sparky things.

      Either it all goes or it all stays and gets worse. There is no in-between. There can be no compromise.

      The ones we are up against don’t want compromise. They want total control.

      Give them an inch, with one ‘for the cheeeldren’ excuse, and they will take a light year.

      • Tom says:

        “They sold them to us no problem, until the law changed. Suddenly you had to be over 16 to buy the fags, but not the matches.”

        I saw a strange incident earlier this spring while traveling through the Sacramento, CA, USA area by car. I stopped at a large national variety chain store to buy a few things and was in line checking out.

        In the line ahead of me, some lady asked for a pack of cigarettes, then said she did not know if it was regular or lights she should be buying and would have to call her elderly mother on the phone to find out.

        Well, the store clerk immediately pulled back the cigs she had in hand, put them back under the counter and told the lady, clearly aged 45+, that she can not now purchase cigarettes, at all.

        The store clerk then quoted California State law that states that once someone indicates they are buying cigarettes on another’s behalf, then no matter what the circumstances, the cigarette sale shall not be permitted.

        And so that is that. If you have an elderly home ridden person, well within the smoking age limit at home and they want you to buy them a pack of cigarettes, inside the state of California, USA, if one gives away any clues what-so-ever that the cigs will be for someone else – then the store clerks will outright refuse to sell you the cigs and act very smug and reprehensible while doing so, as did the clerk in this situation out in Central Valley.

        I was rather shocked because I’d previously only seen such smugness among the progressive-communist champagne liberal class of the Pelosi and Feinstein sort who rule all of San Francisco with their anti-smoking iron-fisted glove.

        But no, now that they also have a single-one-party of the same sort running all of Sacramento, apparently they have turned the more conservative, relatively speaking, areas of CA’s Central Valley into an anti-smoking hell-hole as well.

        Anyhow, if in California, never say you are buying for someone else. They won’t sell it to you and will boot you out of the store while acting smug.

        • Frank Davis says:

          It’s a weird sort of business that kicks out customers. Most businesses are hungry for them. They need their money, and if they lose custom they go broke..

        • Tom says:

          She quoted CA State Law and said “it was the law” as she grinned while harassing the customer to whom she refused to sell cigarettes from that point on. The store clerk was getting a kick out of applying that law, vindictively, to the customer.

          This was a major chain store, WalMart, in Dixon, California, which is nearby Davis, California – which Davis was one of the first California cities to ban all smoking OUTDOORS over a decade ago – so this is how once the anti-smoking hatred and smugness becomes embedded as “normal” in a particular area, then others looking to appear “smart” and “good” – pick up on that vibe and then apply it openly and brazenly, even though it discourages cash paying customers, as you note below.

          Apparently, for that store, they prefer smug self-righteousness over serving their customers’ wants.

          Yes, sad but true, that really happened and I’m certain still does in that and other California locations, if it “is the law” mind you.

        • beobrigitte says:

          It’s a weird sort of business that kicks out customers. Most businesses are hungry for them.

          They sure are. But they are being told that the millions of “suffering” non-smokers will fill that gap that the left smoking customers used to fill.

          Let’s see HOW the anti-smokers will fill that gap; the non-smokers are looking for a solution which allows ALL to be treated equal. Some of them had a brief experience in e.g. pubs in which the proprietor installed air cleaning. They all say that this “is the way to go” whilst the anti-smokers are busy lobbying yet another eastern european government to dictate the smoking ban, causing serious unrest in these countries.

          My advice, btw. book all anti-smokers in for a 6 month “holiday” in Syria to experience what happens, when people are fed up to the back teeth. After all, WHO gave the Syrians the smoking ban?

        • Sheeesh Tom! That’s one for the records. Amazing. Sad.

          :/
          MJM

      • Tom says:

        “Soon you’ll have to be over 16 to buy the sweets too. ”

        About three weeks ago, standing at a bus stop in the Richmond District of San Francisco, CA, USA, I noticed behind the bus stop, on the wall, beside a convenience store selling everything from soft drinks to candy to snacks to tobacco, the government had posted a new hate campaign sign I’d never seen before.

        In this one they show some little chubby kids standing around and the words across the poster said something similar to “Sugar is the New Tobacco”, then went on to admonish anyone for buying and drinking a soft drink, especially appealing to the fact that kids might and of course, by its placement, meant to discourage customers from patronizing the convenience store upon which outer wall near the bus stop the sign was plastered.

        So yes, it is already in the works, the propaganda is being experimented and once results have been calibrated as to which is most scariest, will be unleashed upon the world – SF, CA, USA being a formally designated UN Agenda 21 experimental zone of course, significant in the fact that the UN Treaty was in fact hatched and signed there back in the 1940’s, far away from the prying eyes of DC and the rest of the US people, who probably had little idea what this would eventually result in, or that carte-blanche was being handed to totalitarianism inside the US using SF and CA as landing zones for a decades long occupation and take-over.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Balance that lot against the actual, real likelihood of a 3-year-old trying to buy a box of matches (even if they have any money – and nothing in Frank’s article suggests handing them out for free) and which world do you prefer to live in?

        Lets face it, a 3 year old would buy 20p sweets rather than matches, paying with a £50 note and be confused at the amount of coins/banknotes given to him in change. Money means NOTHING to 3 year olds.
        Neither does propaganda. But propaganda means a lot to mummy and daddy. They have just taken up bicycle riding……

        The anti-smoker’s wet dream; vaccinate the “chiiiiiiiildren” via their parents to allow them to use the “chiiiildren” as a battering ram.

    • Tony says:

      I’ll concede the point about 3 year olds and matches. I was comparing the danger they might pose with the danger of doctors in possession of statistical packages.
      That was grossly unfair on 3 year olds.

  4. Judy Ariel says:

    Heck – the other day I had to show ID in order to buy nail polish remover!

  5. Rose says:

    Tobacco taxes to be applied to herbal cigarettes,herbal rolling and pipe mixtures and shisha from Jan 1 2014
    https://www.gov.uk/herbal-smoking-products

    That should open a few eyes.

    I don’t think the average small herbalist will be able to comply with becoming a “registered tobacco factory”
    It says other as yet unnamed products could be affected

    Gather your parsley will ye may.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Its always Darkest before the Dawn………………

      • Rose says:

        This explains it.

        They obviously can’t tell one plant from another.

        18 June 2013

        “Clause 180 makes changes to the tax treatment of herbal smoking products to align UK legislation with the European directive on the structure and rates of excise duty on manufactured tobacco. The change was announced at Budget 2012 and will come into effect from January 2014.

        It will ensure that herbal smoking products no longer enjoy an unfair advantage over tobacco smoking products. Herbal smoking products will be treated as if they contain tobacco and will be liable to tobacco products duty.”
        http://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2013-14/FINANCE_BILL/17-0_2013-06-18a.2.25

        “Herbal smoking products that are used exclusively for medical purposes and licensed as such will remain exempt from tobacco duty.” ?

        Expect tobacco taxes on tomatoes.

        ENVIRONMENTAL TOBACCO SMOKE –
        ESTIMATION OF ITS CONTRIBUTION TO RESPIRABLE SUSPENDED PARTICLES –
        METHOD BASED ON SOLANESOL DETERMINATION

        “Many plants of the Solanaceae family, which includes the genus Nicotiana, of which the tobacco plant is a member, contain solanesol; particularly those that contain trace amounts of nicotine.
        These include the tomato, eggplant, potato, and pepper.

        The potential interference due to these sources is negligible, cooking being the only likely potential source of interference. An interference of this type would bias results high, overestimating the contribution of ETS to RSP.

        Click to access CRM_52.pdf

        Please note that this is NEW and under a CONSERVATIVE government, not something they inherited from Labour.

      • Rose says:

        The EU banned herbs for medical purposes in 2010

        http: //www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1382135/Herbal-medicines-banned-EU-directive-comes-force.html

        Now they are taxing them as tobacco in 2014

        There’s one powerful voice that is suspiciously silent so far.

        Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson’s risk
        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57583731/eating-nicotine-containing-produce-like-peppers-tomatoes-may-lower-parkinsons-risk/

        When are the GM companies going to announce they are going to save us from ourselves?

        As seen on BBC breakfast the other day.

        What’s That Smell? Exotic Scents Made From Re-engineered Yeast
        October 20, 2013

        “Now a powerful form of genetic engineering could revolutionize the production of some of the most sought-after flavors and fragrances. Rather than being extracted from plants, they are being made by genetically modified yeast or other micro-organisms cultured in huge industrial vats.”

        “Another issue is whether foods containing such ingredients will need to be labeled made from genetically modified organisms in countries that require such labeling. The flavor companies say they do not think so because the yeast is considered a processing aid, not a source of the food.”

        • lleweton says:

          ‘From 1 January 2014 the manufacture of herbal smoking products, other than in registered factories, is illegal unless the products are to be used for research or experiment. You should contact HMRC if you feel that the herbal smoking products you manufacture fall within the rules covering research or experiment.’

          To me this an appalling development. Or have I misunderstood something? I do hope so. Amazing how it has been sneaked in. I did wonder a bit whether it is a spoof but it seems not. Got a few herbs drying in your shed – better not put them in your pipe. Or better not LIGHT your pipe. That seems to be the conclusion of this. Thank you for spotting this Rose. ‘The price of freedom…….’

          PS: come to think of it they’ll have a problem with coltsfoot: “The botanical name, Tussilago, signifies ‘cough dispeller,’ and Coltsfoot has justly been termed ‘nature’s best herb for the lungs and her most eminent thoracic.’ The smoking of the leaves for a cough has the recommendation of Dioscorides, Galen, Pliny, Boyle, and other great authorities, both ancient and modern, Linnaeus stating that the Swedes of his time smoked it for that purpose. ” http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/c/coltsf88.html

        • Rose says:

          The Social History of Smoking by George Latimer Apperson

          “The fumes of dried coltsfoot leaves were used as a remedy in cases of difficulty of breathing, both in ancient Roman times and in Tudor England.
          Lyte, in his translation, 1578, of Dodoens’ “Historie of Plants,” says of coltsfoot: “The parfume of the dryed leaves layde upon quicke coles, taken into the mouth through the pipe of a funnell,or tunnell, helpeth suche as are troubled with the shortnesse of winde, and fetche their breath thicke or often, and do [_sic_] breake without daunger the impostems of the breast.”

          The leaves of coltsfoot and of other plants have often been used as a substitute for tobacco in modern days.
          A correspondent of _Notes and Queries_, in 1897, said that when he was a boy he knew an old Calvinist minister, who used to smoke a dried mixture of the leaves of horehound, yarrow and “foal’s foot” intermingled with a small quantity of tobacco.
          He said it was a very good substitute for the genuine article.

          Similar mixtures, or the leaves of coltsfoot alone, have often been smoked in bygone days by folk who could not afford to smoke tobacco only.”
          http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=227366&pageno=20

          “Coltsfoot, otherwise known as British Tobacco, is an excellent substitute for tobacco. It is usually smoked on it’s own but can be combined effectively with other herbs for an individual mix. Not only does Coltsfoot help to reduce the cravings for a tobacco cigarette, but it is an expectorant and therefore can be used to support the lungs .”
          http: //www.woodlandherbs.co.uk/acatalog/herbal_tobacco.html

          I blame the Irish, TC are a vengeful brood.

          Herbal cigarettes ‘could sabotage smoke ban’
          20 November 2003

          “IRISH cigarette machine operators, who claim 450 staff will be out of work due to the smoking ban, announced yesterday they would supply herbal cigarettes in bars and hotels instead of the tobacco variety.

          But plans to restock vending machines with herbal cigarettes once the ban is introduced will pose another health danger, the Irish Cancer Society claimed yesterday.

          The vending machine operators predicted that their plan to supply herbal cigarettes would make the ban virtually unenforceable because publicans and barmen would not be able to distinguish between herbal and tobacco smoke.

          Herbal cigarettes are not banned under the new legislation. However, the Irish Cancer Society warned that they contain tar which is cancer-causing.

          Anti-tobacco consultant Norma Cronin said herbal cigarettes are not a safe alternative as these pseudo cigarettes contain tar, which is a carcinogen, and other harmful substances.”
          http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/herbal-cigarettes-could-sabotage-smoke-ban-25922941.html

          Not that they had done any research on them, but in moments of panic you have to improvise.

          Irish smoking ban sparks herbal warfare
          March 26 2004

          “Dublin – Cigarette vending-machine companies in Ireland are pinning their hopes on a herbal remedy to the country’s smoking ban, due to begin on Monday.

          Fearing a huge dent in profits as Ireland becomes the first country in the world to impose a nationwide ban on lighting up in pubs, restaurants and workplaces, operators plan to stock their machines with tobacco-free herbal cigarettes.

          “It’s not going to be a problem – they’re not covered by the legislation, which only relates to tobacco products,” Gerry Lawler, vice-chairperson of the Irish Cigarette Machine Operators Association (ICMOA), said on Friday.

          He said ICMOA, which has around 150 members, had imported one million aromatic cigarettes ahead of the ban and would place further orders depending on customer demand.”
          http: //www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/irish-smoking-ban-sparks-herbal-warfare-1.209293#.UmqlOVNfEdU

        • Rose says:

          They didn’t make that mistake again.

          The Draft Smoking (Northern Ireland) Order 2006: Consultation Document Response from ASH Scotland

          Click to access ph_ash_scotland.pdf

  6. Steve Kelly says:

    In the US recently I had to state — simply state — my birth date in order to buy a non-prescription cold remedy. I’m 57 and look worse. What was the point? I gave the real date but I guess I could have said I was born in 53 BC. The clerk probably wouldn’t have known what BC meant. Anyway I got the stuff. I expect the next time I buy corn flakes I’ll be asked to state the exact date of my First Communion. Just because they can ask. Just for the sake of being a pain in the ass: that seems to be the prime directive of society today.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Steve your going to find a lot of corporate owned stores put in birthdate mandates in their stored cash register memories for certain items. Sometimes they get very over zealous and add things the law doesn’t even cover…………………Most employees after a lot of ABUSE from folks like ME simply put in any date and move the lines along as quickly as possible!

    • Heehee… I’ll have to remember that Steve!

      “Date of birth?”

      “Oh, 1957 B.C.”

      “Ahh! You’re fine then!”

      :>
      MJM

  7. Frank Davis says:

    Along similar lines to mine, Grandad last year with Sod The Children

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Sod the children

      July 1, 2012 Grandad

      Most of us are probably familiar with Godwin’s Law.

      In essence, it is taken to mean that the first person to mention the Nazis or Hitler loses an argument or debate.

      I would like to introduce Grandad’s Law.

      The first person to mention “the children” in an attempt to sway public opinion has lost their case.

      I am sick to the back fucking teeth of hearing about how we must protect “the children”.

      Children in this day and age are the most protected, revered and molly-coddled of any previous generation. As a result of living in centrally heated, germ free homes they are also probably the most vulnerable to any disease or ailment that comes their way.

      Modern kids know nothing about risk assessment. To them, anything is fine, because all dangers have been removed. They play in their cocooned area of risk-free environment safe in the knowledge that mumsy and dadsy have removed just about every conceivable danger. Their bodies know nothing of germs and infections because everything has been cleaned to within a millimetre of its life. On the other hand, their bodies are filled with a lethal cocktail of chemicals, from fire retardant sprays through to carpet cleaners and air-fresheners. And they wonder why the likes of asthma is on the increase?

      Those who wish to impose their personal gripes and fears on us are becoming masters at invoking “the children”, whether it concerns smoking, obesity, alcohol or whatever their favourite flavour of the month is. “The children” must never see a cigarette being smoked. “The children” must at all costs be prevented from eating sugar or fats. God forbid that “the children” should ever see a pint of ale or a glass of wine.

      Childhood is a time of learning. Kids learn just about every trick to allow them to cope later in life. They are supposed to learn what’s safe and what’s dangerous through experience. How the hell can they learn if they are never exposed to those “risks” that they are later going to encounter in later years? After all, mumsy and dadsy aren’t always going to be there to protect them against all the dangers, both real and imaginary.

      So the next person to squeal about protecting “the children” can go fuck themselves.

      Not only are they doing the kids no favours but they are just using pseudo-emotional blackmail.

      They have lost the argument.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Quite frankly, I agree with Grandad!

      I am SICK and TIRED of hearing “protect-the-chiiiiildren”. This way your offspring will remain “chiiiiiild” until the day you die.

      I gave my offspring what my dad taught me (see comment further down); my female offspring probably packs the hardest punch! Still. Nevertheless, they have all grown up to be respectful adults, remembering HOW good it felt to be 18 when they FINALLY could be LEGAL in a pub. (Ironically, it was my youngest who vouched for me to be allowed in the stay behind in one pub his friend worked in – he simply told the landlord that I am a REAL smoker.!)

      I did protect my offspring where I could (it’s a mother thing) but I was always aware that they NEED to start collecting OWN experiences. I NEVER thought that my offspring would have to ensure that I was an “insider”…………. I felt infanticized!!!

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    Rose should love this

    http://www.thelocal.fr/20131025/france-set-to-ban-scented-candles-and-incense
    France mulls scented candles and incense ban – The Local

    After recent health-driven moves to tax or restrict the use of energy drinks, artificial sweeteners and electronic cigarettes, French health authorities have no

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      I have just run across some information that has totally changed my mind. It has been verified through several sources. I’m sure it will change yours too after you read it.

      “* Contributes to health problems from inhaling particulate matter or ingesting harmful chemicals.
      * Spews hazardous chemicals ….Acetone, Benzene, Trichlorofluoromethane, Carbon Disulfide, 2-Butanone, Trichloroethane, Trichloroethene, Carbon Tetrachloride, Tetrachloroethene, Toluene, Chlorobenzene, Ethylbenzene, Styrene, Xylene, Phenol, Cresol, Cyclopentene and Lead.

      there are at least 4 cancer-causing chemicals associated with ….. The EPA lists these chemicals on their website:
      1) Benzene (EPA classification as Group A, known human carcinogen).
      2) Carbon Tetrachloride (EPA classification as Group B2 probable human carcinogen).
      3) Trichloroethane (EPA classification as Group C, possible human carcinogen).
      4) Toluene (EPA classification as Group B2 probable human carcinogen).”

      http://www.touchoflovecandles.com/abo

      That scares the heck out of me! I will never again visit a place that allows this out of fear for my health!

      Smoking is dangerous…. Oops! Sorry.. My bad…

      That article is all about burning paraffin based candles, not smoking!

      BAN THE CANDLE!!!!!!

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Grimes: Democrats Tax Policy: Triple Cigarette Taxes to Create Smuggling Opportunity for Criminals

    http://capoliticalnews.com/2013/10/20/grimes-democrats-tax-policy-triple-cigarette-taxes-to-create-smuggling-opportunity-for-criminals/

  10. Junican says:

    “Clause 180 makes changes to the tax treatment of herbal smoking products to align UK legislation with the European directive on the structure and rates of excise duty on manufactured tobacco. The change was announced at Budget 2012 and will come into effect from January 2014.
    .

    ‘From 1 January 2014 the manufacture of herbal smoking products, other than in registered factories, is illegal unless the products are to be used for research or experiment. You should contact HMRC if you feel that the herbal smoking products you manufacture, fall within the rules covering research or experiment.’

    Note the word ‘manufacture’. I think, without being certain, that ‘manufacture’ in the law means ‘factory’ production or production on that sort of scale. I certainly don’t think that rolling your own herbal cig comes within ‘manufacturing’ law.
    NB. I found a statement from the Excise that it does not regarded rolling a cig in a ‘handheld machine’ as manufacturing.

  11. beobrigitte says:

    Back then, children weren’t supposed to smoke before the age of 16. Well, I’m sick to death of seeing chiiildren used as battering rams to force through one vindictive law after another. When the ban is lifted (as it will be), I want to see childhood abolished.

    Real childhood already has been abolished!! Look at this generation of brainwashed, mollycoddled chiiiiiiildren who believe potatoes grow on trees!
    And these “chiiiildren” are already treated as “little people”; they can easily throw out accusations against adults; I believe it takes the statement of another 4 adults to defend the accused!
    Then, some of these “little people” soon figure out how to survive (it’s called being streetwise) whilst others at the age of 50 still have not managed to cut the umbilical cord and therefore they become suicidal when the inevitable happens. Their parents go and there is no-one left who wants to “protect them”.
    They also fail to see that they are being abused by the already paranoid health brigade.

    Because since “childhood” was invented in Victorian England 150 years ago, we have all been gradually becoming children.
    No, childhood was not an invention; it was the stage of growing up, learning to become an adult. And yes, that means facing REAL danger, not parent constructed fake danger!
    And, what is wrong with letting kids fight in the school grounds? All my dad asked, when he saw the state of me coming home after such a fight, was: “What does the other one (the opponent) look like?” When I said: “worse than I do”, he laughed. When I said that I didn’t get a punch in, he tutted and shook his head and said: “How many times do I have to tell you not to worry about the pain you feel as long as you make sure the other one gets more? It’ll stop them picking on you smaller kids!”
    Some I won, some I lost. But it was us kids that learned to sort our own squabbles. There was also a “code” amongst ALL kids in the village. You did NOT GRASS!!!!
    Nowadays I see whining kids, pointing a finger and parents beating each other up. LOL.

    Henceforth, children will be called “little people” and will have exactly the same status as everyone else.
    Sorry, no chance!!! I am sick of the “little people”, whose brains need many years to come to mature!! And, apart from that, these “little people” will never experience the elation of graduating to something simply by reaching an age!!! (At 16 I could FINALLY LEGALLY smoke! It felt GREAT!)

    And if these little people want to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, then let them.
    Quite frankly, I started smoking at the age of 12. The forbidden fruit was just too tempting! And since I was one of two girls of the crowd, we had the most useful tool, too – a “Stilkamm” (a comb that has a metal “stick” at the end). If smoking wasn’t forbidden, it would not have been something I’d have considered.
    The same with alcohol. Although in Germany 16 year olds can drink LEGALLY beer, 12 year olds cannot. I was the youngest one that year doing this “life-saver” swimming thing, so I could sit on the 3 meter board and boss other kids around. I passed this certificate on the last day the local swimming bath was open. The 8th of September. It was bloody cold!!!!!!!!
    To celebrate us “newbies” the coach took us to the pub….. I really do not know HOW he explained MY STATE to my mother; I woke up in my bed, so the coach must have taken me home (I wonder how he survived my MOTHER!!!)
    It was quite a few years before I touched anything alcoholic again!!! And to this day I STOP drinking BEFORE I get into the state I was in at the age of 12!!!!!
    So, maybe:
    And if these little people want to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, then let them.
    is not such a bad idea!!! At least we learned from OWN EXPERIENCE and not from blah=blah-blah-blah-blah being rammed down our throats!!!!
    Funnily enough, I have been a smoker since the age of 12. No adverse effects noticed.

  12. Pingback: We Don't Need No Tobacco Control | VapeHalla! |...

  13. Pingback: All or Nothing. | underdogs bite upwards

  14. cherie79 says:

    I feel sorry for the kids today, no wonder they can’t grow up, what chance do they have of becoming adults, instead they just seem to grow into older versions of the children they were.

  15. Cherie, and they’ll move straight from their first childhood into their second.

    – MJM

  16. cherie79 says:

    Someone said children no longer grow up, they just grow old, very true.

  17. Pingback: We Don't Need No Tobacco Control | Frank Davis ...

  18. harleyrider1978 says:

    The disease of ‘public health’

    We are in the midst of an epidemic of lifestyle moralism

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the_disease_of_public_health/14204#.UnDqXcoo6P8

    • Matthew Chiglinsky says:

      Is that meant to be ironic? I see sex and softcore porn everywhere I go. Sexual immorality is the epidemic.

      If you want to smoke cigarettes, do it in private, where it doesn’t bother healthy people, you selfish a-hole.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Is that meant to be ironic? I see sex and softcore porn everywhere I go.

      Hmmmm, you might have a little problem that I (very impolitely) call “failing-dick-obsession” leading to seeing sex and porn everywhere. You might not have realized how much this gets in the way of real life.

      If you want to smoke cigarettes, do it in private, where it doesn’t bother healthy people, you selfish a-hole.

      We do indeed want to smoke cigarettes in comfort and there is no reason why we shouldn’t be provided with a comfortable smoking lounge. I can’t see any smoker trying to outlaw anti-smoking pubs and since we are being told that “the public LOVES smok(er)free pubs”, there will be plenty of non-smoking establishments after abolishing the smoking ban.
      Of course you are welcome to live what you call “healthy lifestyle” and bottled water. It is your choice if you feel the urge to follow every new “health advice”. I prefer to live normally and actually ENJOY my life.

  19. Matthew Chiglinsky says:

    You are an evil, selfish person who twists the truth for your own benefit. Cigarette smoke is the literal poison, and people who want to lead healthy lifestyles shouldn’t have to breathe it.

    • Matthew, your profile says this: “I try to do everything for a reason that is more sophisticated than simply having been told to do it by someone else. Free will necessitates asking questions.”

      I would suggest that if you TRULY believe in that profile, that you do a bit more reading in this area and actually try to understand the science involved: it’s certainly “more sophisticated” from whatever you’ve heard that has you worried about “literal poison.”

      Let me give you one simple example in hopes of inspiring you toward that reading: I’m sure part of the “poison” you’re worried about is that you’ve heard there’s arsenic in cigarette smoke, right? And you’ve been told it’s poisoning you, right? And you probably BELIEVE you’re being poisoned by the arsenic in cigarette smoke, right? Stop and think for a moment: ALL those things I just said are true for you, aren’t they?

      But… if you actually go and look at the figures from the EPA and Surgeon General’s Report and check on amounts of arsenic allowed in your “safe” tap water and the amounts and concentrations in tobacco smoke in any decently ventilated pub, do you know what you’ll find?

      You’ll find that you would have to sit in such a smoking pub for roughly 165,000 hours to get the SAME “safe” amount of arsenic from the cigarette smoke there that you’d get if you drank just ONE pint of that governmentally-approved-as-safe tap water.

      Go ahead: look up the figures and do the calculations and that’s what you’ll find. You’ll find that you’ve been LIED TO when people have tried to frighten you with such things. THAT should make you angry.

      Read the material at http://Antibrains.com and http://TobakkoNacht.com for some more information in the area afterward. Hopefully it will make you even MORE angry at the people who’ve been abusing your innocence with lies.

      – MJM

      • Tom says:

        I am glad you are not the only person to subscribe to comments and keep an eye on hateful back-posted comments stuck in by vengeful anti-smokers who are political tools for oppression and tyranny, yet haven’t a clue that they are being used – or in some cases, maybe do have a clue as they are being paid for these sorts of hateful late-postings in their evil attempt to somehow manipulate the appearance of “truth” as if having “the final say so” approach in these matters.

        Do the blogs not turn off comments after a certain number of days has passed, in order to block out the hate mongers, maybe not.

        • Some do, some don’t. There’s a particularly repulsive Anti out there named Gene Borio. You’ll see him often posting as GeneB, GeneBB, GeneBBB etc. and he SPECIALIZES in revisiting threads weeks or months later to leave that sort of “last word” attacking what he calls a “tiny cabal of pro-smoking nuts and flat-earthers.” Heh, he has a particular fondness for following me around, I think because I’ve locked horns with him online since the 1980s when he went by GeneB5 (before he got funding for his “good work”)

          – MJM

        • beobrigitte says:

          and he SPECIALIZES in revisiting threads weeks or months later to leave that sort of “last word” attacking what he calls a “tiny cabal of pro-smoking nuts and flat-earthers.”
          I’m not fuzzed about who he/she is, or what he/she calls us. The fact that he/she has to resort to name calling in comments added to older threads does not convey credibility.
          He/she reminds me of the school bully, who, when tackled, runs away – and from a safe distance – shouts abuse.

  20. Jariel says:

    Oh my goodness – this smoker is at the end of her smoking rope – NOT that I’m going to quit, because the more I’m harassed about smoking, the more I want to smoke…
    I live in Central Virginia, USA, in an apartment complex for low-income disabled senior citizens. Waited forever to get in here, as this is the only such apartment complex in my city that allows smoking in one’s own apartment. And the building manager told me that the apartments (all one-bedroom) are set up for smoking – the right kind of ventilation, etc.
    Before I moved in here, I was given 30-days notice two times in ten years – because I smoked. Didn’t matter that I paid my rent on time, kept the place clean, was an extremely quiet and responsible tenant. I smoked. The first 30-days notice was given to me (after 9 years) by a landlady who had gone from chain smoker to non-smoker/rabid antismoker because her children nagged her nonstop to quit smoking and she couldn’t take the nagging anymore, and the smell of smoke to her became the equivalent of the odors emanating from the depths of Hell, and my smoking was “hurting and upsetting” her children, and meant that the cottage she rented me – which was completely unattached to her large house – was now “ruined” and she would never be able to sell her house because I smoked. The second 30-days notice was given to me by a landlady who wasn’t bothered at all by the smoke (her late husband had been a smoker) but whose little great-granddaughter somehow smelled cigarette smoke (which was surprising, because our residences shared no ventilation systems) and had a veritable panic attack, coughing and gagging and crying, “I don’t wanna die!” Then a friend of this landlady used my landlady’s bathroom, apparently smelled a whiff of smoke coming from somewhere in the bathroom, had a fit, and convinced my landlady that her life would be cut short because of my filthy habit. My landlady was 91 years old.
    When I got the last 30-days notice, I had nowhere to go. As a disabled low-income senior, I couldn’t afford anything but the YWCA, and guess what? They’d recently taken out the Y’s smoking lounge and banned smoking on the premises. I ended up, thankfully, not having to live there, as a smoking friend of mine (the ONLY one of my friends who smokes) offered me a room in her house until I got into this senior apartment complex. My friend’s kindness and generosity was sweet and much appreciated – except her house was about 60 miles from the city, in a remote rural area, and, as I don’t have a car, I couldn’t get to my doctor, or to my place of worship, or to many appointments. But, oh, the joy of sittin’ out on the porch with my friend, shootin’ the breeze and smokin’.
    Back to this senior/disabled apartment complex I live in now. Wonderful place. But – to my utter surprise – the antismokers have reached seniors. I am the only person on my floor (the first floor) who smokes. And this morning I went down to the manager’s office to pay my rent, and I overheard a resident vociferously complaining to the manager about the horrible, disgusting, filthy smell of smoke that is permeating the first floor. I was like – what? I only smoke by the open window of my living room. I have towels plugging up the bottom of the door. I use odor-neutralizing air freshener liberally. There are air purifiers all up and down the hallways of the building. I told the manager I had overheard, and she told me that EVERY SINGLE DAY she is getting complaints about my smoking. Now, this is not a large apartment complex, and everybody knows everybody else by sight. I smoke outdoors a lot, so people know I smoke. So – I am a (shudder) SMOKER who is, of course, POLLUTING THE ATMOSPHERE and KILLING SENIORS :( – not to mention their GRANDCHILDREN. And because they KNOW I’m a smoker, they can suddenly SMELL it. I asked the manager, well, can I still smoke? She said, “For now.” I do not know what to do about this. I am saving up to buy my own air purifier. Sigh – I get at least three antismoking coments every day, not to mention the nasty looks, hands-waving-in-front-of-faces, and fake coughing-and-gagging spells. This is so depressing…

    • Jariel says:

      Oh – one add-on to my above post – (or will it show up below?) I ended up by saying “This is so depressing.” One of my disabilities is chronic major depression. Smoking eases it.

No need to log in

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.