H/T Harley for this eloquent letter from kin_free published in the Blackburn, Darwen, and Hyndburn Citizen. I hope he doesn’t mind me re-publishing it, because I think it deserves it.
Change your hearts or lose your inns
The English pub was the envy of the world, where it was copied but never equalled – until recently!
The pub is what defined much of our culture, a place of close social interaction that brought together diverse characters and where long friendships were formed, a place where the world could be ‘put to rights’ and where social norms were defined.
Real pubs are almost extinct now, thousands of jobs have gone and ex-customers spread far and wide, many friendships lost.
Many old and infirm have been sent into isolation to watch their 32” plasma with a bottle of Glenfiddich for company to await their end.
No longer tolerated by the gullibly health obsessed, old Tom can no longer sit at the end of the bar and puff on his pipe. Old Aunt Elsie no longer goes on her weekly jaunts to the bingo with her friends because they have closed too, so she sits at home watching the ‘box’ with her cat as company
On a wider scale, society has been fractured socially where division has replaced inclusivity, tolerance superseded by intolerance and for what?
To please a few anti-smoker nutters and even fewer gullible new age puritans?
To improve the health of the nation?
We hear daily how the smoking ban has ‘saved’ millions of lives so the normalisation of intolerance, the suppression our shared identity and loss of thousands of our pubs is a price worth paying right?
Unfortunately, the ‘saved lives’ idea is nothing but propaganda to maintain an anti-smoker agenda based on 1950s science!
This saved ‘death toll’ is a computer generated prediction, an illusion based on flawed information.
If so many lives have been saved, why have new cancers almost doubled in the 15 years to 2006, why does so called ‘smoke-related’ disease continue to increase despite the reduction in smoking?
It is the smoking ban that has caused this destruction of our heritage using junk science to justify it!
It is not natural evolution as some anti-smokers would have us believe, but forced change.
Prices only rose as a result of this coercion that has driven custom away from pubs and left us in this desperate situation.
Take note: Hilaire Belloc also astutely said: “Change your hearts or you will lose your inns, and you will deserve to have lost them.”
Kin Free
Frank Davis 
kenbro wrote:
Handymanphil. You have called me a Dolt and a Buffon just because I said that the demise of pubs could be due to many factors beside smoking. You have your opinion, others may differ.
It does not elevate the conversation when you use such derogatory terms to those who disagee with you. In fact, it will usually end the conversation.
Reasonable adults on these sites like to comment and have a dialogue.
Using unnecessary personal slurs does not contribute to the discussion.
There is no need for it. I am a retired Company owner with several patents. I can assure you that I am neither of the terms you have used to describe me with.
Reasonable you want to claim reasonable yet we see a direct connection from the time the ban came in to the direct demise of the pub trade not to mention the bingo parlors and many such venues not just in the UK but the world over!
If you were outlawed and criminalized for what you always did based upon JUNK SCIENCE and made up propaganda youd be the one raising Bloody HALE!
No doubt after the bans are abolished you will be the one screaming!They will be repealed just like always. In fact it will be smoking everywhere yet again without a wimpers thought of hatred or government sanctioned Jim Crowe laws once commonsence returns to the world again. Hitler forced smoking bans on the people of Europe and came up the first propaganda proclaiming PASSIVE SMOKING. It was reinstitutued by the WHO in 1975 all over again to make smokers think they were harming others and to make non-smokers think they were being harmed! The biggest lies ever told are second hand smoke harm! But the world is wising up and quickly thru the efforts of thousands of freedom fighters the world over!
Your lil run of gestapo tactics is fast comming to an end,enjoy it while you can!
I don’t know who this kenbro is, if he’s anti-smoking, posting nastiness on this blog, however I notice, as of this morning, someone else is going back through older posts and posting “final arguments” that are pro-smoking ban, probably to “get in the last word” and make sure the historical accounts show, anti-smoking arguments get the final say so. But I notice that, this morning, on the Pogonophobia story, someone, anti-smoker, has put in some final last remarks – including saying:
“… Of course, I believe it harms me so I don’t want you to do it any where near me; that seems fair. By “harm” I don’t just mean damages my health, it does stink and I’d rather not smell of Rothman’s….”
And in other “arguments”, claiming smoking ban had nothing what-so-ever to do with pub declines.
Just saying, someone’s posting “final remarks”, so someone in the League of Anti-Smokers must be following this blog – their assignment – to make sure the Anti-Smoking Industry gets the final say-so, by posting final comments, weeks after everyone has moved on.
But I notice that, this morning, on the Pogonophobia story, someone, anti-smoker, has put in some final last remarks
I noticed it too. I always notice these things.
Maybe wait a few days and then post some really final last remarks?
Re-writing history and making sure to leave substantial “evidence” is another characteristic of the Anti-Smoking Industry political tools who do the dirty work.
It’s probably some poor starving student getting paid ten cents per word for posting anti-smoking commentary – or someone in MSM whose company’s advertising revenues depend upon the anti-smoking industry to keep them afloat.
Or, it’s some self-righteous twat “doing good” in order to feel good and also practice himself at the art of “being better” – in order to make sure he comes out on top, when it comes to jobs and promotions and being the center of attention at social gatherings these days among, especially if amongst the leftist authoritarian crowds.
Smokers, don’t get hired. But anti-smokers get hired, then promotions. This is the fact of life in SF, CA, USA, probably elsewhere too. So he is probably just keeping his art of anti-smoking on guard, in order to keep making sure he is promoted in life, in all limited circles in which he moves – would be another guess as to personality type.
Sorry, I just could not resist ………
If the public just LOOOOOOVES the smoking ban, (as ASH et al is trying to tell us) pub owner/proprietors will choose to go non-smoking WITHOUT A SMOKING BAN.
As I’ve said in the comment, I’d be willing to search for a pub in which I am treated as a valued customer, which means that I will be provided with an ASHTRAY on the table.
kenbro wrote:
Everyone is entitled to YOUR opinion. They are not entitled to THEIRS.
Glad I don’t live in your world.
Your opinion was acceptable from 1937-1945 in Germany,How did you escape being hung with the rest at Nuremberg!
Frank I just love a good fight……….I cant help it any more,Im like addicted to getting them to come out of the woodwork or something………..Ive gone internet Happy!
Oh well back to the hunt.
The English pub is such an classical institution that there is usually at least one imitation version in every American town. The Falconer is the name of the frontispiece English pub in my town and it’s dong just fine, thank you. Why you all are letting such a fine cultural entity slip away is beyond me.
Curse the heartless antismoking automatons of this world.
Well said Kin Free.
Well, the English pub is a classical institution and the one in my town is doing just fine, thank you.
There, the proofreader in me is satisfied now.
Well, the English pub is a classical institution and the one in my town is doing just fine, thank you.
In England the English pub near extinction and with that the social interaction (see my comment further down) between generations has been diminished.
I guess for the anti-smoker social interaction means “me, myself, I”.
A strange post, Cousin.
But it is too late. The ‘English Pub’ no longer exists. All the establishments which used to be ‘English Pubs’ are either closed or are eateries.
I see little possibility of the return of the jolly, all age-group, fun-loving, tolerant, sexy, glittery, pub culture of a few years ago. The reason is that the pubcos willed it. What is POSSIBLE is a new culture which will destroy the Pubcos. The new culture would be little bars as exist on the Continent. Goodbye to the magnificent edifices.
Do I personally care? Not one jot! The pubcos invited it. I used to have a sort-of loyalty to my local pub, but not any more. That ‘loyalty’ has been destroyed by the Ban. That is the result of allowing politicians like Patricia Hewitt and Caroline Flint to decide. They are both as guilty as is Soubry. STUPID BEYOND IMAGINING! Clever people can be extremely stupid. Note the difference between ‘scientifically proven’ and ‘proven by surveys’.
Never say Never Cousin…………..Ive seen the impossible happen! With Pubs while it may not be the same folks running it,its easily reopened as a pub.
XX Real pubs are almost extinct now, thousands of jobs have gone and ex-customers spread far and wide, many friendships lost. XX
O.K, not because of smoking, at the time, but a local “social club” in my…..village….??? (Bit bigger, but not much) closed.
All of a sudden the vandalism, and other “street crimes” went through the roof.
Why?
Because, as the drinking mates were on the way to, or from the club, sometimes many times a day (Bookies, a bit of decorating on “The black”, that sort of thing), they saw young Jimmy Mc Chav heaving a stone through a window, and took him by the ear, to his Mother (Father being mostly “unknown”), and if the “Mother” would not deal with it, the “Arresting citizen” would “have a word”. Mostly ending in hysterical screaming and floods of tears form both, so called “Mother” and the bastard.
It worked.
Then the club closed down.
NOW the place looks, and IS, like Beirut on a Friday night.
To quote Julia M, “Unintended consequences!”
“…copied, but never equalled – until recently!” Equalled how and when and where?
He could have written that piece about the ‘Irish Pub’ as well. There is a company here whose sole business is building Irish Pubs all over the World, even as the original of the species close in droves at home. Home consumption of alcohol plus smuggled tobacco are the new ‘going out.’ It’s called social engineering gone wrong.
I’ve added the following for MR Kenbro to chew over Frank as he obviously fils to see the obvious!
“kenbro” – you accuse me of using personal slurs yet only a complete fool would try to disassociate the smoking ban from massive pub/club closures! 12,734 to date since July 1st, 2007! Only 3 months after that imposition came a cold winter which saw attendances in our social institutions rapidly diminish as people refused to stand outside in the cold.
6 months after that (9 months after the ban came into force) came the recession but it was already too late-the damage had been done. Labour also brought in the beer escalator just to add to the publican’s woes and the pubcos suddenly realised that their empires, built on the “Ponzi” scheme were rapidly crumbling. I only need mention Punch Taverns/Inns (whatever) who screamed with joy as share prices hit £13.68 the day before the ban came into force yet now (?), well, only a raving lunatic would buy into (at £00.06p) an empire that has been sacrificed for the sake of a piece of lunatic ideology.
The only people to leap with joy at this most ill thought out piece of discriminatory legislation were the supermarkets for it ensured that, that which they had been selling cheaply (as a loss leader) for years was suddenly the focus of massive sales increases. My local ASDA manager (who I happen to know very well) cleared a whole aisle for extra canned stocks-and wasn’t disappointed!
Now to destroy your stupid, stupid argument “Mr Patents man of great wisdom”. In 1975 Sir Gerge Edward Godber stated the following:
“….. it would be essential to foster an atmosphere where it was perceived that active smokers would injure those around them, especially their families or young children who would be exposed, involuntarily, to ETS”.
And that my friend, is the very basis of this giant scam for even as a non smoker I can assure you that SHS has never killed anyone & nor will it! But, as Mr Harleyrider correctly points out, this ideology is following the exact footprint of nazi Germany in the 1930’s – and believe me, you may be so blind that you fail to see, but those “Death Camp gates” are already open….. so patent that “kenbro”. I may only be a humble peasant with no business acumen, much less patents to enrich the world with, but my University was the greatest university in the world – the “University of Life”!
Bravo, hear hear PJ xx
Bravo PJ!
Smoking ban doesn’t stop Greeks from puffing in public
August 19, 2013
One side effect of the economic crisis in Greece has been an inability to restrict smoking in cafes and restaurants.
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/2013/8/smoking-ban-doesntstopgreeksfrompuffinginpublic.html
XX Smoking ban doesn’t stop Greeks from puffing in public XX
The Greeks have ALWAYS “Puffed”. Particularly with small boys. Ask Plato.
You seem to have a very low, bigoted opinion of the Greeks, FT. Have you actually lived in Greece? Do you actually know any Greeks? Because the Greece and the Greeks I read your diatribes about here and in the past are certainly not anything I recognise, and I’ve lived in Greece cumulatively for about fifteen years. Perhaps if the rest of Europe had the cojones that the average Greek does, the smoking bans would not now be universal. I’d certainly rather be here than in Bavaria.
From the Aljazeera link:
One side effect of the economic crisis in Greece has been an inability to restrict smoking in cafes and restaurants.
It has fuck all to do with the economic crisis, it has to do with the Greeks refusing to take seriously and kow-tow to obviously deranged legislation. And long may they continue to ignore stupidity from the politicians.
XX FT. Have you actually lived in Greece? Do you actually know any Greeks? XX
Yes to both.
What was that then? Two weeks in Mykonos trawling the gay bars? Whatever, you don’t seem to have learned much about the country and its people in your time here.
From the Aljazeera link:
One side effect of the economic crisis in Greece has been an inability to restrict smoking in cafes and restaurants.
I can confirm this; FIRST HAND experience.
Why did the priest have the alter boy sit on a block of ice during services!
He likes to have a cold one after work!
Elmore Leonard, Frank, example to us all: recently died, aged 87, chain-smoker, novelist (45 books)
This has to be the most sanctimonious self righteous bigot to ever walk the earth who states;
Government at any level has not only the right but we believe the duty to protect the public health and encourage healthy behavior in whatever it undertakes. That’s why we support prohibiting unhealthy foods on school lunch menus and kicking sugary sodas and junk food out of vending machines in those schools and in other government buildings.
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/22/2933492/editorial-usc-smoking-ban-sets.html#storylink=cpy
The ‘Forced Home Inspections’ in Obamacare Law.
August 18, 2013.
New reports are finding that President Obama’s take over of our healthcare system with his Obamacare law will give the government the right to force “inspections” on millions of American homes and your guns may be one of the factors causing a “forced” inspection.
Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) website details the “Maternal, Infant and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program” which give the government the right to invade any home of families Obama deems is a “high-risk” home.
One of the criteria of an “high-risk” home is the presence of firearms, according to a manual published by HHS in 2006.
You ready to fight back NOW!
It took about 2 posts until this nazi banned me…………such lil assholes that somehow survived and still live. Id have beat the womans ass in the street for such invasion.
I just confronted a smoker on a school campus that acted like I was the one doing wrong when I informed him that he was smoking on a tobacco free campus. His response was “I know, now go mind your own business” I took his photograph and told him this was my business. I do not trust people that think like that. We need better enforcement and reporting methods. Maybe they just don’t know what they are doing.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inconsiderate-Smokers/188620897864935
Ooops, been banned after ONE post, but then; http://www.mysmokingshop.co.uk/index2.php?mod=mancats&sec=805&man=129 Was probably not the wisest thing to link to….. Ohhhh I am sooooo sad…. :-)
No Functioning Democracy commentary (continued). Two days later…
Shame on me, I got sucked into reading just about every stupid left-wing comment on the Carter opinion piece on democracy over @ Daily Kos. I know better.
I’ve heard it all before ad nauseum from those losers, I lived among them in their Medina for 13 years. What strikes me about them is their deep-seated pessimism. In their world we’re always irreparably running out of everything in the cupboards, rather than the simple reality that it only takes a trip down to the grocery store to restock the shelves with a horn of plenty. Same as it ever was.
Most of them also suffer from a Joan of Arc complex. I noticed one of the commentors lamenting that the good ol exciting days of fighting for the Great Society, Voting Rights, Roe v Wade, Black is Beautiful, Earth Day and the EPA were gone. “We are the light before it shines, the medicine before it cures, the song before it’s sung.” Yada, yada, yada. Constantly saving the world involves a lot more selfishness than first meets the eye. It’s a syrupy, lifeblood sustenance for the friendless, candy ass do-gooder. Got no life of your own, legally insert yourself into someone elses. Make darn sure that nobody is smoking in that bar that you never set foot in.
To them, all of our foreign policy blunders stem from not backing the two-bit socialist regimes to the hilt. They’ve all got a big blind spot to the excesses of the Maos’, the Stalins’ and the Pol Pots’ of history.
Only a Daily Kos fanboy with a catchy title like Statusquomustgo or Conservative Socialist could come away from seven hours at the Department of Motor Vehicles still in love with government efficiency. It’s probably the most fun they’ve had in a long time. Government, government, government. How anybody can get so excited about it is beyond my comprehension.
Well that should do me for at least another year in satisfying my curiosity as to what the nauseating, always controlling Left is up to these days.
lamenting that the good ol exciting days of fighting for the Great Society, Voting Rights, Roe v Wade, Black is Beautiful, Earth Day and the EPA were gone.
I remember that one. I almost quoted it.
And they deleted my comment!:-)) I was wondering what they’d do about a denialist comment like mine. Now I know.
But nevertheless it said Welcome Back Idlex when I took another look.:-) Welcome back -but don’t expect us to post any of your denialist comments, you dirtbag.
Carter was the beginning of todays new world…………..I hate that peanut growing communist!
Dear Kin Free
The full quote from Hilaire Belloc is worthy of a wider audience and committing to memory by Englishmen and English women everywhere:
“From the towns all inns have been driven; from the villages most….change your hearts or you will lose your inns and you will deserve to have lost them. But when you have lost your inns drown your empty selves for you will have lost the last of England.“
Perhaps the real objective of the smoking ban is to fulfil a prophesy in the last sentence.
DP
Hitler writes from the grave
Published: 01/10/2004 at 1:00 AM
2004 arrived safely, whispering how successfully the Bush administration has waged our war on terror. Although those who hate us intended us harm, Providence, along with our government’s vigilance and pre-emptive actions, prevented all holiday season attacks. The only shocking attack the New Year brought us was the Democratic organization Move On’s demented action providing a platform for potential television advertising comparing President George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler. I thought it might be interesting to explore what Adolf Hitler himself might have thought about Move On’s derangement.
I have no intention of explaining how the correspondence which I now offer to the public fell into my hands. There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. (Preface to “The Screwtape Letters” by C. S. Lewis)
My Dear Juliusi,
Landsberg prison, which I entered on April 1, 1924, and where I wrote “Mein Kampf,” is strangely similar to this place that I entered after shooting myself to death on the afternoon of April 30, 1945, and from where I write this letter. I found myself in both places involuntarily, yet they have each provided me with peace as well as perspective to write of the ideas that fueled our movement. I dedicated “Mein Kampf” to the dead heroes of the so-called Beer Hall Putsch who fell on Nov. 9, 1923, with loyal faith in the resurrection of their peopleii. I dedicate this letter to you along with the nine other heroes who were martyred at the Nuremberg tribunal and who joined me here on Oct. 16, 1946.
In the timeless eternity of our existence here, I often reflect upon my single biggest mistake – underestimating America. Early in 1941, Ribbentrop and I promised the Japanese foreign minister, Yosuke Matsuoka, that should Japan become engaged in a war against the United States, Germany would join the war immediately. However, to us, the Three-Power Pact had as its goal frightening and keeping America out of the war. I encouraged Japan to immediately take an active part in the war against Englandiii and not to provoke America. Although I didn’t see much future for the Americans, I did not want them in the war until we had put down Russia.
Exactly one month after the Japanese betrayed me by attacking Pearl Harbor I told you all at our Berlin headquarters that America is a decayed country. My feelings about America were feelings of hatred and deep repugnance. Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it’s half Judaized and the other half Negrified. How can one expect a state like that to hold together?iv. Well, America did hold together and she seized victory from us. However, and this is important my friend, she has finally adopted many of the vital ideas for which we lived and died. Could not this be described as an ultimate victory?
Let me explain. First and foremost we were socialists. As national socialists, or Nazis, we knew that government must control the people. Thus, we understood that the old German tradition of citizens owning guns had to end. On March 18, 1938, we enacted our Law on Weapons and ruled that only government officials were allowed to own firearms. You can imagine my approval as I watched Sen. Thomas Dodd craft America’s Gun Control Act of 1968 by having our own law of 1938 translated for him by an official of The Library of Congressv. My dear Julius, we can be proud of how similarly the two laws read. Those advocating gun control in America are na?ve and well-meaning. They will help socialism prevail. We told the German people that gun-control laws were needed to curb gang activity and preserve democracy. What those laws really did was help our national socialist government prevail.
Do you remember, dear Julius, how we Nazis always understood that German citizens were our future and the destiny of our nation? We did everything possible to keep our people healthy. In the same way that wise farmers must accept responsibility for the health of their herds, we used the power of government to keep our flocks healthy. Since both mind and body were supposed to belong to the Fuhrer, we tried to criminalize the smoking of cigarettes.
Our Ministry of Science and Education ordered elementary schools to discuss the dangers of tobaccovi. Government-sponsored cultural and educational events were declared to be “smoke-free.” In the late 1930s, we called for increased taxes on cigarettes and later instituted bans on cigarette advertising. I am most proud of the legislation we introduced prohibiting sales of cigarettes to minors. We set up counseling centers for the psychological treatment of smokers and we established smoke-free restaurants.
We soon managed to prohibit smoking on Luftwaffe properties and followed that with prohibiting smoking in post offices, government buildings and many workplaces. “No Smoking” cars were established on all German trains with fines levied upon violators, and in 1940 SS Chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all on-duty police and SS officers. Our comrade, Hermann Goring, decreed that soldiers may not smoke in public, and most of our cities banned smoking on public transport in order to protect the ticket takers from the hazards of second-hand smoke. We can indeed be proud that today America has also come to realize the importance of central government taking the initiative in regulating what people do not have the good sense to do voluntarily. We may have lost that battle of ideas in the middle of the 20th century, but with the help of foolish Americans, we Nazis are winning in the long run.
Do you remember that awkwardness in late 1940, my dear Julius? The American consulate in Leipzig reported to the American State Department that we were conducting compassionate euthanasia on the patients in the Grafeneck Mental Asylum in Wurttemberg. What uproar resulted in America! But now, one of America’s most prestigious universities has appointed as professor of bioethics (whatever that is), one who openly advocates putting to death the mentally defective, the terminally ill and even severely disabled infants. He would give parents and doctors the right to actually kill – not just withhold treatment – imperfect newborns. What genius! The professor insists that a newborn has no greater right to life than pigs, cows and dogs. He is one of us, Julius.
And the best part of it is that those who yesterday loudly protested our comparatively mild policies in Wurttemberg have today not uttered even a squeak of protest. The ridiculous idea that all human life is sacred is now finally under attack in America. One president was re-elected even after he affirmed the legitimacy of exterminating infants during birth, and some American doctors in their province of Oregon have begun doing away with the elderly and weak. Yes, America is certainly coming around to our way of seeing things.
Finally, dear Julius, you will remember what I frequently said and wrote in “Mein Kampf”: “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the peoplevii.” I said that as long as we explain how the government is working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. It is truly heartwarming to see how well this lesson has been learned by some Americans. In the name of “the children,” incursions into the private lives of American citizens have been made that we Nazis would have gazed at with open-mouthed admiration. Does it matter that our bodies failed as long as our spirit still triumphs?
I know you have a question to ask me, my friend: What about the Jews? After all, how can I say that much of America is adopting our views when Jews still exert such disproportionate influence in that country? Grasp the genius of your Fuhrer, my good friend. You see, dear Julius, with well-meaning earnestness, most American Jews are solidly behind the ideas I have been describing. In the mistaken belief that they are making America safer for minorities, many American Jews have joined those advocating ever larger and ever more powerful government. In reality, what they are doing is making America more hospitable to our form of socialism. When it eventually arrives, they too will see the real dangers, but by then, it will be too late.
Now they only see danger in illiterate thugs with no hair on their heads and in degenerate psychopaths with second-hand Nazi regalia. American Jews are frightened by a handful of the sort of lowlifes we used to execute, instead of being terrified of the real danger they themselves are helping to create – government with almost limitless power to tax and grow.
And it wasn’t just the Jews. Joseph Goebbels put it quite correctly when he said, “The Fuhrer is deeply religious though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so, it is a branch of the Jewish raceviii.” We can be confident that America will preserve and develop our Nazi ideas of human perfectability because of one stroke of genius that even Reich minister of propaganda, the great Joseph Goebbels, has to admire. Those who are advocating socialism in America, whether deliberately or inadvertently, have succeeded in turning the term “Nazi” into a slur that may only be used against conservatives. Never is it used against those on the left who are precisely the Americans doing most to advance our agenda. We are winning, Julius, thanks to those American Democrats, we are winning. Heil Hitler.
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[i] Hitler is addressing Julius Streicher, hanged by the Allies in Nuremberg, Oct. 16, 1946.
[ii] “Mein Kampf,” Adolf Hitler, Publ.Verlag Franz Eher, 1927, Dedication and Preface
[iii] “The Second World War,” Volume 3, Winston S. Churchill, Publ. Houghton Mifflin, 1950. Page 186
[iv] “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,” William L Shirer, Publ. Simon and Schuster, 1959. Page 895
[v] Aaron Zelman, JPFO, Milwaukee, Wis.
[vi] “The Nazi War on Cancer,” Robert N. Proctor. Publ. Princeton University Press. Page 198
[vii] “Mein Kampf,” Adolf Hitler, Publ. Houghton Mifflin, 1943, Page 403
[viii] Joseph Goebbels, quoted in Anthrozoos, 5 (1992) page 18
http://www.wnd.com/2004/01/22711/
‘When you have lost your inns, drown your empty selves; for you will have lost the last of England’…
I understand in Ireland the Irish chose to go it alone and turn home garages in the neighborhoods into the new pub. Where all the locals meet up and just call it ”ME MUMS PLACE”! The life of the pubs isnt gone its just moved to the back alley!
See Lag IOron regarding “Smokey drinkeys”. (sp?)
“Speak easys” they used to be called.
Obama’s HHS: Now Hiring for the Obamacare Police Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/obamas-hhs-now-hiring-for-the-obamacare-police/#ixzz2ciyFNhNG
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Real pubs are almost extinct now, thousands of jobs have gone and ex-customers spread far and wide, many friendships lost.
Many old and infirm have been sent into isolation to watch their 32” plasma with a bottle of Glenfiddich for company to await their end.
No longer tolerated by the gullibly health obsessed, old Tom can no longer sit at the end of the bar and puff on his pipe. Old Aunt Elsie no longer goes on her weekly jaunts to the bingo with her friends because they have closed too, so she sits at home watching the ‘box’ with her cat as company
The very first time I visited a traditional English pub I was fascinated by the age range I saw visiting the same pub, enjoying a drink and a laugh together. There were huge ashtrays on the tables to which you had to fight your way to in order to stub out your cigarette. I desperately looked for a seat somewhere – needless to say, it took hours before someone vacated a bar stool which I immediately occupied.
Although the English pub has been copied in quite a few Countries, there it is more a trendy thing, LACKING the atmosphere of a REAL “local” I ended up taking for granted. (It closed soon after the dictation of the smoking ban).
Yes, old Tom these day is sat at home, watching an old fashioned TV through which the BBC hails the smoking ban that has “saved” sooooo many lives.
Old Tom is being told that he is expected to live longer, now that the smoking ban is in place. Old Tom maybe remembers a good few words of choice, fully aware that society no longer cares about HIS wishes, anyway.
Old Tom served his purpose a long time ago. The government can’t wait to put a line through his name as a receiver of his (well earned) state pension. (The anti-smoking cause NEEDS to be funded, after all, it “saves lives”……)
Old Aunt Elsie stopped going to the Bingo as soon as the smoking ban was dictated to her, as well.
Old Aunt Elsie is of the generation where the only women seen stood outside smoking were for men’s entertainment only.
Old Aunt Elsie eventually ends up falling out the window she leans out far to smoke, so the warden of the residential home she ended up in wouldn’t know she has been smoking out the window.
Hands up. WHO wants to reach the age of 80 in such a “caring” society? Perhaps I can make a deal with this government; it pays me my pension NOW. After all, the anti-smokers insist on that smoking kills, don’t they? And with this the government is safe from the burden of looking after me in OLD age, paying for all my age related ailments…..
(Actually, according to the anti-smokers I should have died long ago. But the government ignores this fact, anyway, so I won’t mention it.)
” I hope he doesn’t mind me re-publishing it ” – Not at all Frank, in fact I’m really pleased you thought it was worthwhile to re-publish it, just as I was pleased to discover that the Blackburn Citizen thought it was worthwhile to publish it in the first place. I have to say – Respect to them. Much of the media is still reluctant to publish anything that is not ‘on message’. Nice to see exceptions to the rule! It gives me more hope too that the press are beginning to see beyond anti-smoker, smoke and mirrors, even if it is just at a local level.
ps. In case anyone is not aware of this, submissions to the Scottish public consultation on smoking in cars need to be submitted before 5pm, 30th August.
Click to access Smoking_in_cars_consultation_S4.pdf
I hope we can give a good account of ourselves. If we allow this to go through without challenge, it will spread much further than Scotland!
Good!
How can we fail when this is what they have left to say at the end of the run…………….
Begone
I’ll bet ol’ Harley doesn’t wear a helmet.
Or use the seatbelt when in the bald-tired pickup.
And bloody rare hamburgers!
A dying breed . . . literally and figuratively.
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Argee
I’m thinking Harleyrider and his cohorts are just paid by tbe tobacco industry to cut and paste their pieces.
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/22/2933492/editorial-usc-smoking-ban-sets.html#storylink=cpy
I’m thinking Harleyrider and his cohorts are just paid by tbe tobacco industry to cut and paste their pieces.
Isn’t this “are just paid by the tobacco industry” getting too overused and boring by now?
But then, people employed by tobacco control and their stooges follow the denormalisation guide lines: repeat the same lie over and over and over and it’ll become truth.
Not anymore.