Something Michael Moore said (10:00 minutes):
“I can say that from my end of the political spectrum, we don’t forget people. We’re actually about remembering the people who are forgotten, and fighting for them… The real forgotten people, the people who still don’t have the power, that don’t have the voice: women, people of colour, young people. These are the forgotten people”
Are those really the forgotten people?
Is there any way that they can possibly be the forgotten people?
The very fact that people like Michael Moore are remembering them means that they’re not forgotten. They’re really the unforgotten people.
We have lots and lots of these unforgotten people. Women. Blacks. Jews. Gays and lesbians. Etc, etc. There’s an entire literature attached to each of them. We’re never allowed to forget them for a moment.
It’s true that they once were forgotten. But the forgotten women got the vote a century ago. And the forgotten blacks got civil rights 60 years ago. And forgotten homosexuality was decriminalised 40 or 50 years ago. These are all people who’ve been remembered for a very long time. So how can anyone say that they’re forgotten? If anything they’ve been remembered for far too long.
I think there are lots of better candidates for the truly forgotten. They’re the people who really are forgotten and ignored and despised like women and blacks and gays once were. They’re the people that the likes of Michael Moore never remember.
For just when women and blacks and gays were being given the vote, given new rights, and stopped being persecuted, other people started being excluded and persecuted instead.
For example: smokers.
A century ago smokers could smoke everywhere. Now those rights have been taken away. They can hardly smoke anywhere. And they are robbed with punitive taxation. And nobody listens to them. Nobody pays any attention to them.
Another example: fat people.
A century ago fat people were held in high esteem. Santa Claus or Father Christmas was a beaming fat guy who brought everyone presents on Christmas Day. But over the past century the admired body type has become thin. Remember Twiggy from the 1960s? Fat people are now pressured to lose weight. Fat people are despised. Fat people have told me that it’s much worse for them than it is for smokers. And I can believe them. In my experience some people are just naturally fat, and some naturally thin, just like some people are naturally short and some naturally tall. I’m naturally thin. My mother used to implore me to eat more. But I stayed thin however much I ate. Don’t ask me why.
There’s an odd relationship between smoking and obesity. Smokers tend not to get fat. Maybe that’s because smoking suppresses appetite. But a century or so ago, particularly during wartime, when everyone was thin and wiry, more or less everyone smoked. It’s really only been over the past 60 years, while people have been stopping smoking, that people have started getting fat. You either smoke and stay thin, or you stop smoking and get fat: you’ll be disapproved of either way.
Smokers are despised and excluded, and fat people are despised and excluded too (although I’ve yet to see any No Fat People signs. Why not?). And both are forgotten. They’re the forgotten forgotten. And there are probably plenty more forgotten forgotten people: I forget who.
The persecution of both smokers and fat people has been carried out in the name of Health – Public Health. The UK National Health Service was created in 1948. The UK government Department of Health was created in 1988. Public Health is a tyrannical new invention. Somehow or other us Brits survived for thousands or years without Public Health. It’s a new religion. In the old religion you died and then went to heaven (or hell): in the new religion you never die. Or you’ll never die if you eat a Healthy Diet, don’t touch Junk Food, get plenty of Exercise, and breathe Smoke-Free Air.
The old religion was run by bishops and priests and monks in monasteries and cathedrals. The new religion is run by doctors and nurses and health experts in hospitals. True believers in the old religion are now regarded as being gullible, believing everything they were told unquestioningly. True believers in the new religion are equally gullible: they believe everything they’re told by doctors.
The old religion ended when the monasteries were closed down, and monks evicted onto the streets. It’ll be the same with the new religion. The hospitals will be closed down, and the doctors and nurses evicted from them. It’ll happen when Public Health becomes even more completely insufferable than it already is. It’ll happen when Public Health has succeeded in excluding and demonising not just smokers and fat people, but everybody else as well.
And with the UK about be locked down yet again because of the current crazy coronavirus panic, we might be approaching the point where absolutely everybody is completely sick and tired of bullying and blackmailing Public Health zealots.
And when they’ve all been swept away, people will be encouraged to enjoy their lives, stop trying to live forever. They’ll be encouraged to eat and drink and smoke. It’ll be a new Restoration after years of oppression by the pinch-faced killjoys of Public Health. And then all the forgotten will be remembered, and all the too-long-remembered will be forgotten.
I would add ‘old people/senior citizens’ to your list.
Strange how PH want people to live forever; but, old folks should die sooner due to their health care costs.
You might be interested to know that in an interview a while back, Michael Moore the way to deal with racists was “…the way we treat smokers; we shun them.”
I personally resent being put on the same moral plane with racists. And I don’t approve of social bullying (a.k.a. “shunning”) as a way of bringing others around to one’s view.
I used to admire Michael Moore, but not after that.
Sorry, that should read “…Michael Moore SAID the way to deal with racists…”
There is a huge difference between ‘shunning’ and the ostracizing of smokers.
Someday Michael Moore will be forgotten. Thank God.
So many lies here, at least of omission with regard to Covid & smokers, etc.
I’m so angry I went looking for free speech to text transcription software (or paid) to contest it.
& so to email the presenter and inform that system, that it ain’t at all true!
(To make an editable text transcription from the audio to contest line by line.)
Get a balanced viewpoint on, after looking at opposing facts. And so to send them.
Well, I’m moaning here first, I still have to contact the presenter, radio station.
After – and I am already looking up factual studies to quote in email. Again.
And who is this guy?
BA (History and Politics), Masters (Public Policy), PhD
They have no shame on the gravy train, one might quip.
Sounding old and tired at first, he fronted the usual and the minor – worse if to ICU – but failed to mention the otherwise positive statistics for smokers.
Of course by ICU stage you’ve been deprived of an ability to or an environment you can smoke in.
No awareness of present studies, or deliberately unacknowledged?
I doubt he even knew of them, but then he might have.
So he could be made to know, be presented with extensive factual studies.
The presenter is slack, allows his guests utterances all as given truths.
Ah, radio ! ;=})
It’s only 12′ :53″ but it feels like a lifetime ago already ;=})
““A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.”
Chris Snowdon mentioned studies in April, May, and August.
Are there others to usefully collate?
If you’re looking for studies which indicate that smoking has a protective effect against COVID-19, I compiled all the studies I could find and Frank graciously posted them on his site here.
Please let me know if there are any I missed.
Ah thanks so much, Joe L.
I might have missed that post, or forgotten it.
Much more comprehensive than the erstwhile original link in February, which was all I could remember.
That’s really great!
Armour for argument, detail for debate, science for skeptics.
Thanks so very much, again!
And I’ve only just now noticed that that link, Joe, is accessible under Frank’s “References” menu, as Covid-19. Thanks again.
A direct link, rather than a category, at this stage.
Fair enough. Worth checking to see if updated, then.
Maybe Frank will post a note whenever References is updated.
Maybe he did, and I missed it, although I read pretty much daily.
Smokers are still at the top of list to destroy in all possible ways. Recently saw insurance adverts from British Seniors and Smart Insurance. Both says you can be anything but a smoker. I began to wonder how is things with undertakers, is it anything but smokers there too.
Dear Mr Davis
Santa Claus was not only fat, he was a smoker too: https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/1/3/5/large1500/53135989.jpg
One I’ve even used as a Christmas card:
Off or On Topic:
Audrey Silk’s latest update.
RdM, looks too good to be true.
What “looks too good to be true.” ?
A couple of introductions.
Both with comments. ;=})
“What “looks too good to be true.” ?”
” ‘Big Brother’ cannot, in the name of Public health, dictate to anyone what he can eat or drink or smoke in the privacy of his own home.”
It already happens.
And it is just a beginning. BoJo is going to turn army against people.
Professor Dolores Cahill