Trump at St John’s Church

What’s happening?

This is a disturbing image:

President Trump holding a bible in front of a burned-out Washington church.

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19 Responses to Trump at St John’s Church

  1. Dmitry says:

    Well, Frank, I see his message easily. Ugly mob is looting shops and burns down churches. The leader of the nation is rallying his people to defend things they hold dear.
    Have a look at a poisonous report by the Washington Post about two leaders and about their basic difference. Note how they stress that one was wearing a mask and keeping social distance, while the other did not!!!! (Incidentally, that Battle of Masks is the title of my coming column).
    So, see how WP has got them two in the clear:
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    Church photo ops show how differently Trump and Biden approach the protests
    President Trump and Joe Biden both went to churches on Monday, and they each posed for photos. That’s where the similarities stop.

    The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee visited the Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Wilmington, Del., for his first in-person campaign event since March 9, the night before the Michigan primary. Sitting in a folding chair, Biden listened patiently for about an hour as local African American leaders criticized the 1994 crime bill that he championed, saying it contributed to mass incarceration; pushed him to endorse reparations for the descendants of slaves, and encouraged him to select a black woman as his running mate. The former vice president wore a surgical mask and took notes as they spoke. Attendees practiced social distancing in accordance with federal recommendations to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.

    When Biden finally addressed the group, he quoted the Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard: “‘Faith sees best in the dark,’ and it’s been pretty dark.” Biden, 77, recalled how, for most of his half-century political career, he believed that hate could be defeated, but he said he has come to realize that hate just hides. “It doesn’t go away, and when you have somebody in power who breathes oxygen to the hate under the rocks, it comes out from under the rocks,” Biden said.

    As the meeting wound down, Biden asked for a moment of prayer. Then, as he posed for a group photo with the activists, he took a knee. It was intended as a show of solidarity with the countless Americans who have filled the streets over the past week to protest the death of George Floyd. The 46-year-old black man was pinned face down on the ground, in handcuffs, by a white police officer who pressed his knee against Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes in Minneapolis.

    Joe Biden kneels for a picture on Monday morning with the pastor and members of the Bethel AME Church in Wilmington, Del. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)
    Joe Biden kneels for a picture on Monday morning with the pastor and members of the Bethel AME Church in Wilmington, Del. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)

    A few hours later, about 100 miles down Interstate 95, a line of law enforcement officers took a knee near Lafayette Square in Washington. For a moment, the peaceful protesters who were gathered outside the White House on a beautiful spring evening believed that the officers in riot gear – their shields said “military police” – were doing what many others have been doing across the country in recent days. Seeing the kneeling as a gesture of goodwill and de-escalation, the way Biden intended it, many of the protesters cheered. But they soon realized that the cops were only kneeling so that they could put on their gas masks, according to Rebecca Tan, Samantha Schmidt, Derek Hawkins, Fredrick Kunkle and Jessica Contrera.

    It was the prelude to an operation that used smoke canisters, rubber bullets and flash bangs to drive hundreds of protesters away in order to clear a path for Trump to visit St. John’s Episcopal Church. The ambush began half an hour before the District’s new curfew of 7 p.m. went into effect.

    When he arrived, Trump did not go inside the church. He did not ask to see the damage caused by a fire that was deliberately set in the church’s basement on Sunday night. He did not ask any protesters to explain their grievances. He did not wear a face mask. He did not say a prayer. He certainly did not kneel, a practice he harshly ridiculed when NFL players did it.

    Instead, Trump – who rarely attends church services – awkwardly held up a Bible for several seconds. When a reporter asked whether it was his Bible, the president replied: “It’s a Bible.” He did not open the book. Then he beckoned over his attorney general, secretary of defense, national security adviser, chief of staff and press secretary to pose alongside him for more pictures. Moments later, the entourage was safely ensconced back inside the White House.

    Shortly before he walked over to St. John’s, Trump used a speech in the Rose Garden to threaten to mobilize “thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers” to crush “lawlessness” across the country. The president declared himself “an ally of all peaceful protesters” at the very moment that, on the other side of the White House, law enforcement officers were clearing out peaceful protesters. It made for a jarring split-screen.

    • Frank Davis says:

      I think that what’s disturbing is that Trump isn’t sending a political message like he usually does, but instead a Christian religious message.

      That’s a big change.

    • Joe L. says:

      Biden, 77, recalled how, for most of his half-century political career, he believed that hate could be defeated, but he said he has come to realize that hate just hides. “It doesn’t go away, and when you have somebody in power who breathes oxygen to the hate under the rocks, it comes out from under the rocks,” Biden said.

      That’s rich coming from the same guy who–less than two weeks ago–told a black radio show host and his audience, “I tell you if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black!”

      Why anyone–black or otherwise–would vote for Joe Biden to represent them at any level of government is beyond me.

  2. roobeedoo2 says:

    Someone or something is in for a right old fucking, if you’ll excuse the parlance…


    I think the message is clear and if you don’t believe, then you don’t believe. From my limited knowledge, there might be a clue about the current state of the world at the end of that book he’s holding, if you care to read it. Revelation.

  4. RdM says:

    Limited knowledge …

    “Probably the most misrepresented book of the New Testament is the book of The Revelation of St John the Divine – misrepresented by the Church, that is, not by the book itself. This book is quite unlike any other in the Bible. It is dubbed with terrible supernatural overtones and its straightforward imagery has been savagely corrupted by the Church to present the text as some form of foreboding or prophecy of warning. But the book is not called The Prophecy or The Warning’; it is called The Revelation.”


    But you’d better start, if you can read, and have intelligence, a brain, eyes to see, from, say,

    Read through all 5 pages … if you care to read it all.

    (There is an introductory page, just “bookish”, with this in the text:)

    “Laurence Gardner, Prior of the Celtic Church’s Sacred Kindred of St Columba, is an internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist. Distinguished as the Chevalier Labhràn de Saint Germain, he is Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes – a constitutional advisory body established in 1946. He is formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House of Stewart, founded at St German-en-Laye in 1692, and is the Jacobite Historiographer Royal.

    Now let our quest begin, let us search for the “True” meaning of the Holy Grail. We will take you on a journey of discovery that will lead you to new paths of personal discovery.
    Now, onto to the lecture……”

    Sir Laurence Gardner is deceased now, but Karen Lyster has kept this lecture alive, beautifully.

    Embark on that as an education, and a realisation that what we were taught in Church …

  5. RdM says:

    “The fact is that every Government and every Church teaches the form of history or dogma most conducive to its own vested interest. In this regard we are all conditioned to receiving a very selective form of teaching. We are taught what we are supposed to know, and we are told what we’re supposed to believe. But, for the most part, we learn both political and religious history by way of national or clerical propaganda, and this often becomes absolute dogma: teachings which may not be challenged for fear of reprisals.”

    Do read it all, take it in, slowly enough to appreciate, understand .

  6. Emily says:

    This whole affair (the rioting, looting, protests, etc.) and the mainstream media reaction to it has really messed with my head as nothing else has. If I didn’t feel the whole world had already gone crazy before, I now do. It seems like another mass delusion à la Trump hysteria, or maybe just a continuation of that.

    The fact that they point out that Biden was wearing a mask and everyone was social distancing… while during the protests, thousands of people were out together in the streets and not a word about social distancing or staying home. The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy is too much. I’m feeling really angry and disconnected from everything by this.

    • Walt Cody says:


    • Joe L. says:

      The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy is too much. I’m feeling really angry and disconnected from everything by this.

      I couldn’t agree more, Emily. Just a few weeks ago, a small number of people like myself, who value their liberties, were peacefully protesting the COVID-19 lockdowns at state capitals and the like. The media trashed us for being “selfish” and not following (unconstitutional) orders. They said we’d be responsible for a spike in “the curve.” Now, there are huge violent riots and looting nationwide–in cities and suburbs–and there’s hardly a mention of “social distancing” or “the curve”. What the hell is happening?

  7. Walt Cody says:

    Look if at this point Trump cured cancer the headlines in the NYT and WaPo would read Trump Ruthlessly Murders Unarmed Tumors. The church incident was stupid and ill-timed. The violence, looting, arson of tne night before both outside the White House and throughout the city was the kind of street fighting you see in war zones. (And don’t get me started on the widespread and violent trashing of NYC and the vicious attacks on both cops and civilians.) Trump made a needed Law and Order speech– in essence saying protest is a right and you’ve got something to protest against–but lawlessness will be met with law and force will be met with force. A great relief to the millions of victims of this insurrection. Then he made a shallow and pointless photo op trip to stand briefly in front of the historic (built 1816) church that had been burned the night before. He timed it stupidly–15 minutes BEFORE the curfew established bynthe city’s mayor and PD. That necessitated clearing the crowd of protesters who would have lined his path. They ignored three warnings to disperse and the cops then used a smoke bomb. Not, as gleefully reported, tear gas. Nor is it clear that the crowd had been “peaceful” before the incident–reports differ, except the media disbelieves the police version. First, if he wanted to go there, it would have been wise to wait another 45 minutes, till at least a half hour after the curfew when the cops would have a legitimate reason to clear the crowd. Second, he should have gone into tne church, surveyed the damage, talked to the pastor/rector/whoever and then at least pretended to pray (as apparently has every president since James Madison). Altogether, it was a boneheaded move and once again he managed to undercut his own message and throw red meat to his enemies. Is what happened.

  8. Lepercolonist says:

    Please do not smoke while rioting, or else..

    • Joe L. says:

      I can picture the flyers for a Progressive riot:


      This riot is smoke-free.

      Non-smoking rioters should not be subjected to secondhand smoke while they light the local pawn shop ablaze.

      Violaters will be arrested.

  9. RdM says:

    I’m continually amazed about how quickly these protests spread around the world.
    It’s as though, like, there’s a rent-a-mob network in action.
    How do we get an anti anti smoking tobacco control protest organised?

    Here in NZ, just a couple of brief links:

    Elevated footage down Queen St, Auckland shows the extent of the crowd that gathered today to protest the killing of George Floyd. VIDEO / @samrdyson via twitter

    Clearly “social distancing” rules were breached…

    Auckland Black Lives Matter protest organisers say COVID-19 rules were ‘reinforced’, critical of Jacinda Ardern

    Skip, or rather wait through the video ads, and you see an interview with our Prime Minister.

    Weep …

    • smokingscot says:

      Silly statement RdM; of course the whole thing’s coordinated. I look at Antifada people when not in black hoods and they’re your average stiff. And on social media that’s how they come across. A few of them bowl up at the appointed spot and that encourages others.

      Couple of weeks back we saw great support to stop people coming into Greece from Turkey. Same about Italy and North Africa. We’re pissed off because we’re getting hundreds crossing the Channel.

      Truth is very few give a fart about “black lives”, nor do many of the protesters. But mayhem, looting and being part of the pack just seems so jolly exciting.

      The guy they protest for was a second rate hustler who tried to pass a fraudulent $20 note, then kicked off when he faced arrest. I wouldn’t give him the time of day. Nor the twats who want to be associated with him.

  10. Doug says:

    Excellent comments all round on this one! The riots and mayhem are just plain stupid. These young people are not afraid of COVID, but are most likely to be deadly afraid of second-hand smoke. Its all so senseless, and nothing is proven yet! Good on Trump by threatening to bring in the armed forces to regain some order. He is just trying Anti-smoking’s best weapon — FEAR.

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