Two Swallows

Are the UK and USA taking a different approach to coronavirus? Hanne Nabintu Herland:

The U.S. and the United Kingdom have so far chosen different approaches than the European Union to the emergence of the virus. On the continent and in Scandinavian countries such as Norway and Denmark, panicking political leaders unbelievably have chosen full economic shutdown of restaurants, barber shops, retail, almost everything except food stores, pushing those nations into a massive breakdown of their economies and brutal recession.

Who on earth advises European leaders to shut down their own economies over what their own health authorities call a mild to medium flu?

The U.S. and U.K. stress the need to keep business running and daily life open as long as possible, targeting high-risk groups. The U.K. national emergency plan focuses on the most endangered, on equipping hospitals, avoiding contact and keeping business open, the country now flooding with respiratory masks. Prime Minister Boris Johnson prescribes caution and the need to consider avoiding plunging the country into even deeper troubles. The United Kingdom is not as hard hit by coronavirus as mainland EU Europe, which may change in the weeks to come – and the approach likewise.

The United States and U.K. seem coordinated in their approach and are set to gain economically on their measures, providing the virus does not accelerate out of proportion.

The EU choice of total shutdown of the economy was a remarkably quick response, likely producing a sever decline and economic recession.

The massive recession ahead all across Europe, brutally enhanced by the EU government’s panic shutdown of daily life, will result in catastrophic bankruptcies. Coffee shops, restaurants, entertainment, airlines, energy companies, green energy companies, retail and so on will plunge like concrete. Hundreds of thousands without a job. 1929 yet again.

Totally shutting down the economy is crazy. If USA and UK can manage not to do this, they’ll still have functioning economies when it’s over. But will the EU?

A lot of people seem to think the response to the coronavirus epidemic is overblown.

In an analysis published Tuesday, Stanford’s John P.A. Ioannidis — co-director of the university’s Meta-Research Innovation Center and professor of medicine, biomedical data science, statistics, and epidemiology and population health — suggests that the response to the coronavirus pandemic may be “a fiasco in the making” because we are making seismic decisions based on “utterly unreliable” data.

Is the American Left changing its mind about Donald Trump? Or do two swallows still not a summer make? First swallow:

GOP and Dems both astounded after CNN’s Dana Bash raves about Trump’s recent leadership

Bash surprised both Democrats and Republicans when she did the unthinkable on Tuesday:

She praised the president for “being the kind of leader that people need” during the country’s coronavirus crisis.

Second swallow:

(FOX NEWS) Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar unexpectedly praised President Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic on Wednesday night, saying it was “incredible and the right response in this critical time.”

Omar, normally a staunch critic of the White House who herself has repeatedly drawn the president’s ire, went on to quote Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., as saying “unprecedented times require unprecedented leadership” — and, Omar added, “we are seeing that in our country right now.”

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16 Responses to Two Swallows

  1. smokingscot says:

    @ M J McFadden

    Is this what a pissed off New Yorker sounds like? 8 minute video. If so, he’s got reason to be outraged – and a hospital that must improve its security.

  2. DP says:

    Dear Mr Davis

    A simple solution to the problem – repeal the smoking ban. Smokers and friends can self medicate in pubs, clubs and restaurants drinking beer. If quinine is effective as a prophylactic and there is enough in an average tonic, add G & T to the mix.

    Job done.

    Of course we don’t need government to repeal the smoking ban. It can be done unilaterally.

    Maybe the pushback against the nanny state starts now, when people realise there are more important things in life than bowing to pressure from compulsive obsessives with too much time on their hands who wish to control ever increasing parts of our private lives.

    The politicos will fall in line when their votes are at risk.

    Let’s make it so.


  3. Joe L. says:

    Totally shutting down the economy is crazy. If USA and UK can manage not to do this, they’ll still have functioning economies when it’s over.

    Looks like the UK didn’t manage not to:

    UK PM Boris Johnson announces nationwide lockdown measures, telling cafes, pubs and restaurants to close

    And the US isn’t far behind. Lockdown measures are already in place in many states; it just hasn’t been federally-mandated … yet.

  4. waltc says:

    Nor did the US. California and New York state went to lockdown in the last two days and it seems as tho NY convinced NJ, Connecticut and Pennsylvania to close all non-essential business. Trump, however, rationally resists a national ban on the grounds that rural states and rural areas w/i them aren’t hard hit. Meanwhile on television public health “experts” are telling people to quit smoking and vaping RIGHT NOW and Glantz has apparently done a study to the effect that it was only smokers who died in China. Audrey linked to it on nycclash.

    • Joe L. says:

      Glantz has apparently done a study to the effect that it was only smokers who died in China. Audrey linked to it on nycclash.

      WTF? Of course an asshole like Glantz would take advantage of a pandemic to push his bullshit agenda. Thanks for this Walt. Here’s a link to the article for those interested.

      • jaxthefirst says:

        Par for the course, though, isn’t it? It’s what the antis always do whenever there’s even so much as a whisper of a possibility that smoking prevents, minimises or lessens symptoms of any illness – immediately try and “get their story in first” by coming up with some hastily cobbled-together stats that show the exact opposite. What they can’t do, however, is stop reality from happening. With the effects of this virus being so potentially widespread, and with so few smokers getting it and so few of the same few getting it seriously, it’s not unlikely that the fact that that the majority of people to sail through the pandemic almost unscathed from start to end with no major absences just happen to be all the smokers will become self-evident.

        Even if non-smoking or anti-smoking employers remain determined not to acknowledge the fact, smokers themselves will definitely notice, being as the only people around them still up and about and functioning normally are their fellow smokers (a few closet ones might even come to mind) and inevitably there will be at least some who feel that fact to be sufficiently pertinent to get mentioned on social media, comments sections etc. And – hey presto! – the word will be “out there,” whether the antis want it to be or not. Trying to conceal that fact in the light of mounting evidence in such a serious situation, might well be the final fabrication that shows Tobacco Control up as the swivel-eyed, single-issue deliberate liars that they’ve always been. Hopefully.

    • Rhys says:

      On social media, whenever I see the death of a young person, at least one yahoo says: He must have vaped a lot. And there are plenty of idiot doctors on twitter still proclaiming that vaping is far more dangerous than the coronavirus.

      Weirdly, I haven’t seen a lot of propaganda about smokers, except for the government sponsored ‘take down tobacco’ tweets, which I assume are paid for.

  5. Александра Собина says:

    I hoped zealots will be busy with keeping themselves safe and healthy and forget about tobacco. Appears they are still checking our ashtrays.

  6. slugbop007 says:

    To me, most of the people commenting were probably contacted to write their usual drivel. Maybe they were paid Glantz supporters. I noticed this in Montreal many times over the years. We have a Stan as well. His last name is Shatenstein. I want to replace the a with an i. Every time he pops up out of his basement bunker a whole bunch of people come crawling out with him to add their two cents worth. Two Pence for you. They coordinate these sudden attacks all the time. Quebec Tobacco Control has a list of people that they survey all the time and they always come up with 80% in favor of smoking bans. When people on the street were interviewed by the Montreal Gazette several years ago, less than 30% were in favor. Some guy from the U.S. came here four years ago, pretending to be an air quality expert. His analysis received provincial government approval while the professional, federally certified air quality expert’s assessment was brushed aside in the printed press, TV and Radio. The fraudulent punk, a former student of some university Health Program Studies in the U.S.A., quite possibly subsidized by Michael Bloomberg, then went off to a university in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, where he completed a PhD in Health after he only studied one year to receive a Masters Degree in Public Health. It’s a scam and a tax grab. George Burns was a cigar smoker and lived to 100. Guess it should have been 110!


  7. Dirk says:

    Who on earth advises European leaders to shut down their own economies over what their own health authorities call a mild to medium flu?
    The European health authorities NEVER called it a mild to medium flu. Trump said that, not the Europeans.
    The answer is: look at Italy. As of today a total of 47,021 cases. Today 21 March in one day 5,986 new cases.
    As of today 4,032 deaths. Today 21 March in one day 627 deaths . Tomorrow probably another 600 deaths or more.
    The UK and the USA will suffer the same fate.

  8. Dirk says:

    “We must absolutely limit movement, meetings and contacts,” French prime minister Edouard Philippe said. “Food shops, tobacconists, banks and public transport will remain open,” he said.
    Tobacconists are the country’s sole legal sellers of cigarettes.
    The French government has therefore decided that tobacconists offer essential services, since they are allowed to stay open to the public. Isn’t that wonderful?

  9. Dirk says:

    Belgium: Up to half of intensive care patients are under 50: People in their prime become deathly ill.
    Doctors urge with the greatest possible urgency that people in their thirties, forties and fifties also strictly follow the corona measures. In many hospitals, they have seen an influx of patients in those age groups who are in dire straits in recent days. People in their prime also become deathly ill and are in danger of having to rehabilitate for weeks afterwards.
    The youngest patient with Covid-19 in Belgium is a baby. This was confirmed by the spokesperson for the Christian Hospital Center (CHC) in Liège on Friday

    • Joe L. says:

      It seems like every day part of the narrative flips 180°. Up until a few days ago, the media continually proclaimed that those affected the worst by COVID-19 were those over 60/65/70 with underlying health conditions, and that it wasn’t yet understood why younger people rarely present severe symptoms. Yesterday was when I first started hearing multiple reports that in France and other European countries, “over 50% of intensive care patients are under 50.” The timing for the drastic shift seems extremely coincidental, because in the day or two leaving up to the reversal, the media were focusing heavily on how younger folks were refusing to obey the new “soft lockdown” orders in many states, and continued to go out and meet up with their friends. It reeks of fearmongering propaganda (and as a smoker, I’ve become all too familiar with that scent).

  10. Dirk says:

    “On the website you can choose your favorite pub that serves Maes or Cristal (Belgian beers) and then select the number of beers you want to pay in advance”, explains Jan Bosselaers, Marketing Director at the Alken-Maes brewery. Once the payment has been confirmed, the amount will be transferred to the pub owner so that his business will receive extra oxygen to get through in the coming weeks. You will receive a voucher that you can use at the reopening of the cafe to drink your beers on the spot, or you can choose to make a donation to your favorite café to give them a helping hand.

  11. Igrowmyown says:

    From the BBC health correspondent Nick Triggle
    “Coronavirus:Have UK experts over-egged deaths?”

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