Highly Infectious, Not Very Lethal

Still focused on the Diamond Princess, because it’s a microcosm of the new coronavirus outbreak, isolated from all the others. We should get a fairly good idea of just how infectious it is, and just how lethal. The passengers and crew of this ship have become the guinea pigs in a medical experiment. And there seem to be all different races present.

A headline I read today –

The news from the cruise ship moored in quarantine in Japan is awful – coronavirus cases aboard are soaring

– probably arose from the fact that there were first 10 cases, and then 20 cases, and now 60 cases. But this may simply be because the results from some 270 or so tests have been only slowly coming out over a period of several days. It looks like it took 3 days for 270 tests to be completed, so they could only do about 90 tests per day.

So what it probably means is that when the tests were carried out, nearly a quarter of the passengers sampled were already infected.

And that shouldn’t be too surprising. As far as I can see, life aboard these sorts of cruises is pretty much one long party. People go on them primarily in order to socialize. So they’ll all have been mingling with each other closely during the 15-day voyage. Timeline:

The checks began after an 80-year-old Hong Kong man who had been on the ship last month fell ill with the virus.

He boarded the cruise ship in Yokohama on 20 January and disembarked in Hong Kong on 25 January.

Where had he been before he boarded in Yokohama? If he’d just arrived from Wuhan, he was probably a carrier. If not, then he likely picked it up on board from some other carrier.

The captain announced the discovery of coronavirus on 3 Feb. Two days later, 5 Feb, passengers were confined to their cabins. Same day, 10 cases were found on the ship. Next day, 6 Feb, another 10 were found. Today another 40. But these numbers are probably just the results of 270 tests carried out (on 4 Feb?) slowly trickling out.

If they get round to testing everybody, it rather looks like they’ll find that 60/270 or 22% of everyone on board  is carrying the virus.  And that will be something approaching 1000 cases.

However, 19 days after the 80-year-old Hong Kong man boarded the ship, nobody has died. And if the virus had been on the ship for 10 days before he arrived, then in an entire month nobody will have died.

So, using just the Diamond Princess numbers, it looks to me like this is a highly infectious virus, but not a very lethal one.

Some people think that the virus is racially targeted, and only Chinese people can contract it. But since a Brit who doesn’t look in the least bit Chinese has tested positive, this would seem not to be true.

Other people think that the new coronavirus epidemic is just another scare. Or that lung problems and pneumonia in Wuhan are being blamed on the virus, but actually caused by air pollution. Wuhan maybe just happens to be the worst place anyone would want to be when they come down with flu.

My guess, for what it’s worth, is that this new coronavirus is being massively hyped, because the dangers of absolutely everything – from tobacco smoke to carbon dioxide – are vastly exaggerated these days. So this latest threat is also being inflated into something worse than it actually is.

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78 Responses to Highly Infectious, Not Very Lethal

  1. Elizabeth says:

    People on a cruise already have an advantage of the privileged, with better living conditions, food medical attention etc before they even boarded. They are not ordinary people. I think the Diamond Princess is a fascinating experiment. Keep us updated with your thoughts….

    • Frank Davis says:

      Good point. They’ve got plenty of good food. And they’ve got plenty of fresh air too, from my understanding of the ship’s heating and ventilation. And they’re under close medical supervision, The same probably isn’t true in Wuhan, for a lot of people.

  2. beobrigitte says:

    Still focused on the Diamond Princess, because it’s a microcosm of the new coronavirus outbreak, isolated from all the others. We should get a fairly good idea of just how infectious it is, and just how lethal. The passengers and crew of this ship have become the guinea pigs in a medical experiment. And there seem to be all different races present.
    And smokers, although they are not allowed to smoke in their cabins or on balconies, if they have one.
    I don’t expect to see any deaths as the 2019-nCoV positive patients have been ferried to hospitals.

    Some people think that the virus is racially targeted, and only Chinese people can contract it. But since a Brit who doesn’t look in the least bit Chinese has tested positive, this would seem not to be true.
    This is the case the John Hopkins web site
    still does not acknowledge. Person-to-Person outside China. Apparently this Brit was in Singapore.

    Other people think that the new coronavirus epidemic is just another scare.
    We’ll find out in the near future.
    In the meantime, the BBC announced that the WHO is trying to wring a few hundred million dollar out of us all right now.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Germany now has a 14th case.(Just to update the Hopkins site quickly, since it appeared to take them a long time accept the second, third etc. cases) – the 13th case took them 1 full day(!) before it appeared on their site – the same it took them to acknowledge the third UK case (British citizen, Caucasian) who travelled to Singapore.
      Again,that is why, what I would like to call Second-hand transmission, confirming why authorities, Germany has 12 of it’s now 14 cases in BAVARIA (Karma is a bitch) due to 1 business meeting (The 2 others came back on the first flight to bring citizen back from China). By now the Bavarians (total smoking ban since 2010, just to mention since we will be blessed with a forthcoming paper that puts smokers in the position of being more likely to catch the disease, thus spreading it in the incubation stage) have been trained to be compliant citizen. (No smoking in front of children etc etc)
      Well, that didn’t prevent the children currently being made comfortable in Bavaria. I don’t expect ANY of them to be in any danger. We have had plenty of time to prepare without facing any shortages in face masks or diagnostic kits. They are not cheap over here let alone China. No hospital will carry any more kits for corona virus than absolutely necessary. (or dictated)

      Oh, btw, I can hardly qualify as a conspiracy theorist. Follow my contribution there

  3. smokingscot says:


    Finally out. Next FCTC will be in the Hague 9 t 14 November.


    Under the Presidency of Iran!

    I extract the urine not.

  4. smokingscot says:

    As many have said, it’s not just the virus, it’s our reaction to it. The story here is a chap sprays alcohol all over himself as a disinfectant, gets into his car, lights a cigarette, then torches himself.

    There’s a grisly image of said gentleman, so you’re warned. Seemingly they’re doing the same in their apartments with similar results. Videos about 60 seconds.


  5. Rose says:

    The modern fear of smoke of any kind renders us sitting ducks anyway.

    Medicinal Smoke Reduces Airborne Bacteria

    “This study represents a comprehensive analysis and scientific validation of our ancient knowledge about the effect of ethnopharmacological aspects of natural products’ smoke for therapy and health care on airborne bacterial composition and dynamics, using the Biolog® microplate panelsand Microlog® database.

    In this study, we have designed an air sampler for microbiological air sampling during the treatment of the room with medicinal smoke. In addition, elimination of the aerial pathogenic bacteria due to the smoke is reported too.

    We have observed that 1 h treatment of medicinal smoke emination by burning wood and a mixture of odoriferous and medicinal herbs (havan sámagri = material used in oblation to fire all over India) on aerial bacterial population caused over 94% reduction of bacterial counts by 60 min and the ability of the smoke to purify or disinfect the air and to make the environment cleaner was maintained up to 24 h in the closed room.

    Absence of pathogenic bacteria Corynebacterium urealyticum, Curtobacterium flaccumfaciens, Enterobacter aerogenes (Klebsiella mobilis), Kocuria rosea, Pseudomonassyringae pv. persicae, Staphylococcus lentus, and Xanthomonas campestris pv. tardicrescens inthe open room even after 30 days is indicative of the bactericidal potential of the medicinal smoke treatment.

    We have demonstrated that using medicinal smoke it is possible to completely eliminate diverse plant and human pathogenic bacteria of the air within confined space.”

    Click to access Medicinal-smoke.pdf

    Antiviral Activity of Tobacco Smoke Condensate on Encephalomyocarditis Infection in Mice

    • RdM says:

      Furusawa, E., Ramanathan, S., Suzuki, N., Tani, S., & Furusawa, S. (1973). Antiviral Activity of Tobacco Smoke Condensate on Encephalomyocarditis Infection in Mice. Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, 3(4), 484–487. doi:10.1128/aac.3.4.484

      url to share this paper:

      (I had to enter a CAPTCHA, ablins in my case, not too hard even though text in Cyrillic.)

      It brings down to save, furusawa1973.pdf

    • RdM says:

      Furusawa, E., Ramanathan, S., Suzuki, N., Tani, S., & Furusawa, S. (1973). Antiviral Activity of Tobacco Smoke Condensate on Encephalomyocarditis Infection in Mice. Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, 3(4), 484–487. doi:10.1128/aac.3.4.484

      url to share this paper:


      (I had to enter a CAPTCHA, ablins in my case, not too hard even though text in Cyrillic.)

      It brings down to save, furusawa1973.pdf

      (not sure why this is not posting, please forgive if duplicated, or delete one!)

  6. beobrigitte says:

    There is quite a lot to catch up with this morning. The BBC just announced there are 5 British people (one is a child) infected in France. Interestingly, in the report the BBC still does not accept the person-to-person transmission during the incubation stage.
    Germany has 3 children infected. It is one family and this case is well documented. The mother was the last one to be diagnosed.
    https ://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51425702
    In Majorca, the British family said they had been in contact with a person who recently tested positive for the virus in France, the government in Spain’s Balearic Islands said.

    The man has been quarantined and all four family members are being tested for the virus.

    In the meantime in Australia:

    This site seems to be pretty good for latest world wide

  7. Frank Davis says:


    Meanwhile, three more cases of nCoV have been confirmed aboard the ‘Diamond Princess’, the Carnival-owned cruise ship currently under quarantine in Yokohama. Three more individuals have tested positive, bringing the number aboard to 64, the government said Saturday. All passengers are facing a two-week quarantine.

  8. beobrigitte says:

    Yesterday I stumbled across an article in a German online paper about the WHO taking action against conspiracy theorists and trolls by using social media etc.etc.
    I found this also in English media but there it seems a little more diluted:

    Here the article, updated this morning:
    Update vom Sonntag, 09.02.2020: Die Weltgesundheitsorganisatio WHO sagt der Desinformation in den Sozialen Medien im großen Stil den Kampf an. Dafür arbeitet die WHO nicht nur mit Instagram und Youtube zusammen, sondern auch mit Facebook, Twitter, Google, TikTok und Pinterest.
    [Update from Sunday, February 9th, 2020: The World Health Organization WHO is waging a major fight against disinformation on social media. To this end, the WHO not only works with Instagram and Youtube, but also with Facebook, Twitter, Google, TikTok and Pinterest.]

    The aim of the measure is to ensure that the World Health Organization’s information is displayed as the first result for search queries relating to the corona virus.
    [The aim of the measure is to ensure that the World Health Organization’s information is displayed as the first result for search queries relating to the corona virus.]

    I have stopped using the WHO web site for the reason that it lags at least 1 day behind. I am sorry but I am also not satisfied with the information the site provides.
    I do collect data made available for ONLY (!!!!) personal use as this is a novel virus and simply caught my interest. Also, it would be nice to discover once the epidemic is over that the numbers provided match up and that we could look confidently to Organisations should there be another novel virus epidemic somewhere sometime.

    Am I panicking? Absolutely not. I am not getting onto “runaway train” theories, either. For me it is a simple and effective step to just ignore them and only rarely will I challenge any of them.

    I view The WHO’s steps with concern as it here provides another runaway train:
    Der WHO-Chef erklärte, dass man dafür auch mit zahlreichen sozialen Netzwerken in Kontakt sei. „Wir haben sie gebeten, falsche Informationen heraus zu filtern und korrekte Infos von vertrauenswürdigen Quellen zu begünstigen.“ Über Instagram und Youtube habe die WHO zudem den Kontakt zu Influencern gesucht und darum gebeten, sachliche Nachrichten über das Virus zu verbreiten. „Der Fokus liegt dabei auf der Region Asien-Pazifik“, sagte Tedros.

    [The WHO chief explained that it was also in contact with numerous social networks. “We asked them to filter out incorrect information and favor correct information from trustworthy sources.” The WHO had also sought contact with influencers via Instagram and Youtube and asked to spread factual news about the virus. “The focus is on the Asia-Pacific region,” said Tedros.]

    I believe only COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY of the WHO’s actions and spending will curb conspiracy theories.

    I would also like to add this, which is about the most reassuring thing I have read:

    Das Auswärtige Amt twitterte am Samstagabend mit einem Dank an die britischen Behörden: “An Bord einer britischen Chartermaschine sind Deutsche und Familienangehörige aus Wuhan auf dem Weg in die Heimat.” In Berlin werden am Sonntagvormittag etwa 20 deutsche Staatsbürger aus Wuhan erwartet.

    Auswärtiges Amt

    [The Federal Foreign Office tweeted on Saturday evening with thanks to the British authorities: “On a British charter plane, Germans and family members from Wuhan are on their way home.” Around 20 German citizens from Wuhan are expected in Berlin on Sunday morning.

    Ministry of Foreign Affairs]

    It looks like we all can work together if need be.

    • beobrigitte says:

      As I have criticised the WHO web site I thought I better return to it in case I am wrong.

      7 February 2020 Departmental news
      More than 25 000 people across the globe have accessed real-time knowledge from WHO experts on how to detect, prevent, respond to and control the new coronavirus in the 10 days since the launch of an open online training.

      25 000 people across the globe isn’t much, is it? Also, the 7th of February was 2 days ago.

      Also, I would like to point to the Disclaimer on the John Hopkins site:
      This website and its contents herein, including all data, mapping, and analysis (“Website”), copyright 2020 Johns Hopkins University, all rights reserved, is provided to the public strictly for educational and academic research purposes. The Website relies upon publicly available data from multiple sources, that do not always agree. The Johns Hopkins University hereby disclaims any and all representations and warranties with respect to the Website, including accuracy, fitness for use, and merchantability. Reliance on the Website for medical guidance or use of the Website in commerce is strictly prohibited.

      As I am not sure if/how this applies to people like myself who just take an interest.
      To be on the safe side I shall no longer use their web site.

  9. Frank Davis says:

    Julia Thompson and Morgan Hines USA TODAY
    Published 4:19 AM EST Feb 9, 2020
    Six more passengers, including another American, have fallen ill on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that is quarantined off the coast of Japan, bringing the ship’s total to 69 passengers who have been diagnosed with coronavirus.

    • beobrigitte says:

      This is a unique situation. Which location should these 69 people be assigned to? Japan?
      I have watched videos from quarantined American and English passengers, I have not yet found any videos from the 10 Germans on board.

  10. beobrigitte says:

    There are now 4 cases in the UK.
    A fourth case of the coronavirus has been identified in the UK.

    Chief medical officer for England Professor Chris Whitty said this morning that a further patient has tested positive for coronavirus in England.

    It comes after a Brit in Majorca was diagnosed with the virus, while five tested positive in France.

    Prof Whitty said the latest infection was linked to France. “The new case is a known contact of a previously confirmed UK case, and the virus was passed on in France,” he said.

    Here is where things are getting a little weird. Spain is listed as having 2 cases. Neither of them is Spanish, though.
    The first case determined was on the small island of LaGomera, a German tourist. The second case is (I am unsure where the patient is right now) on the island of Majorca, an English tourist.

    On the diamond princess 69 people were diagnosed with the coronavirus.
    The nationalities of the newly diagnosed passengers have not been revealed to Princess Cruises representatives, public relations director Negin Kamali told USA TODAY late Saturday.

    The cruise ship is one of several affected by the deadly coronavirus outbreak, which has prompted cruise lines to issue quarantines and perform testings and screenings. Meanwhile, some ports are denying cruise ships entry for fear of the virus spreading.
    Perhaps all cruise ships out there need to head home? Don’t cruise ships rely on their stops along their routes for picking up supplies?

    It looks like the last evacuation flight from Wuhan arrived home today.
    The passengers also included British government staff and military medics and arrived at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire on Sunday morning.

    Two British nationals were not allowed to board the flight after they initially failed a temperature checks, although later checks were normal.

    One of them, Josh Skarratts, told Sky News: “Now we are stranded in Wuhan having missed the last plane out of Wuhan and our last means of evacuation.”
    For all that it is worth, I do hope the remaining Brits contact EVERY embassy in China. As far as I know there are still evacuation flights planned. All evacuees landing in any country will be quarantined for 2 weeks, so it does not matter where this is. Keeping fingers crossed for the lads.

  11. beobrigitte says:

    10.2.2020 06:15hrs
    Diamond Princess update:

    ‘Sixty more cases’ on Japan cruise ship – reports
    Sixty more cases of coronavirus have been confirmed on the Diamond princess cruise ship, domestic broadcaster TBS TV said via Twitter. NHK Japan is also saying around 60 new cases have been identified, quoting the health ministry.

    There are 130 cases on board now.

    Incubation time of 2019-nCoV
    = 2 – 14 days
    First transmission(s) by the 80 year old infected passenger occurred anywhere from 20.1. to 25.1.

    How many people was this man in contact with?

    The next question concerns the ships ventilation system. Can we safely exclude cabin to cabin cycling of air? It seemed a little odd that once passengers were confined to their cabins those who had booked a “smoker cabin” no longer were allowed to smoke in there. I am not sure if there wasn’t a balcony smoking ban prior).

    I do recall a video from a very frightened American woman who (I believe!) has been now diagnosed as being infected. Unfortunately I have not found any new videos from remaining passengers yesterday. I will search today again.

    May I politely appeal to the social media and Google to remove the WHO imposed (sorry, I do not know which other term is more appropriate) internet censorship which creates even more conspiracy theories.

    In the meantime:
    GENEVA: The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that confirmed cases of coronavirus being transmitted by people who have never travelled to China could be the “tip of the iceberg”.

    I am looking forward to reading all the papers relating smoking and the coronavirus currently being hastily created, implying that smokers are more susceptible to this virus.
    (Who finances them?)

    Perhaps Wikipedia would like to consider restoring Chris Martenson’s Wikipedia page. I am very comfortable with his videos describing the worst case scenario.

  12. beobrigitte says:

    I am pleasantly surprised that the Guardian has removed the annoying demand for whitelisting ads that many other newspapers still keep up.

    China’s death toll has jumped to 908, with 40,000 confirmed infections
    Another 60 passengers on the stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan have tested positive for coronavirus, taking the total number of infections on the ship to 130
    Tens of millions of Chinese have gone back to work today after the extended lunar new year break
    The WHO has sent a team of international experts to Beijing to help combat the epidemic
    A memorial has been held in New York for the whistleblower doctor, Li Wenliang, who died at the end of last week from coronavirus
    China’s food prices spiked by 20.6% in January
    A citizen journalist in Wuhan, Chen Qiushi, who has been reporting on the coronavirus epidemic, has been missing since Thursday

    The young man

    showed a video on 7.2.2020 from Chen Quishi’s mother appealing for information about her son’s disappearance and if anybody had seen him.

  13. beobrigitte says:

    Correction: 136 cases on the Diamond Princess.

    The UK has declared the Wuhan coronavirus a “serious and imminent threat to public health,” as cases were confirmed in more than 25 other countries and territories around the world.

    At this point in time it is unknown if 2019-nCoV also spreads airborne and the UK is taking (in my opinion) sensible precautions.

    I have noticed (rightly or wrongly) that the John Hopkins website is taking a long time to update case numbers outside China.

    Sadly, the WuFlu.live , site that provided also up-to-date information no longer can be accessed:

    This site can’t provide a secure connection
    wuflu.live uses an unsupported protocol.

    Unsupported protocol
    The client and server don’t support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite.

    At this point in time I follow this site:
    They are quick to update new cases and supply more information.

  14. beobrigitte says:

    Apologies, Frank, I seem to be hogging this comment section. I can understand people getting fed up with it and take no offence if I am asked to stop.

    I have just come across an article I am not sure if I should post as an update. But then, if I don’t I do what I criticise the most.
    I note this down (as I have Chris Martenson’s latest video) and continue with my life as per usual. Weekend is over and I have a lot of things to do today ranging from cleaning to shopping to meeting friends in a pub about half way from our houses. (The latter I am not happy with as it will be rather uncomfortable outside in the “high-ceiling” smoking “room”. But then, I don’t think I will stay long in the place).

    Perhaps there aren’t enough people at the John Hopkins site or the people working there are simply overwhelmed (?) – it’s no use to speculate, so: oh, whatever.
    The number of confirmed number of total cases on the John Hopkins site is now 64 cases lower than on the site I use now. The UK is still listed with 3 cases, too. (The actual number of cases is 8).

  15. beobrigitte says:

    One question though, is there any country as yet untouched that would have reasonably have been expected to be?
    Rose, this is a good question.
    Just as this epidemic (the WHO still insists it is not a pandemic as, according to (?their) guidelines, only 28/195 countries of this world affected cannot be classified as a pandemic ) was made public I went on flight tracker (it seemed the logic thing to do as it was by then known that 2019-nCoV is a novel virus)
    and watched for a while.

    Bearing in mind that within Europe there are major airports which are hubs for flight changes to and from Asia, there was no country other than Greenland or the arctic/antarctic that could be be expected to stay virus free depending on number of infected travellers, of course.

    Here a correction, as this still is in the Guardian as well as on the site I use for data:
    UK declares coronavirus a ‘serious and imminent threat’ to public health

    The UK health secretary declared on Monday that the new coronavirus was a serious and imminent threat to public health, a step that gives the government additional powers to fight the spread of the virus.

    The Department for Health and Social Care said:

    The secretary of state declares that the incidence or transmission of novel Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health, and the measures outlined in these regulations are considered as an effective means of delaying or preventing further transmission of the virus.

    This morning a in the Wirral quarantined man was going to sign himself out and leave. He was talked into staying but this occurrence led the government to declaring coronavirus a ‘serious and imminent threat’ to public health, thus being able to ensure the people in quarantine cannot sign themselves out prematurely.

    There is a statement from the WHO


    On Sunday, the director-general of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, urged all countries to “step up efforts to prepare” for the international spread of coronavirus and encouraged leaders to share information about the outbreak in “real time” with the U.N.’s agency for public health. While pushing for donors to hit the fundraising goal of $675 million, Adhanom, Ethiopia’s former minister of health, provided a disconcerting perspective: Though he reiterated his “call for calm,” he also stated that the current level of the virus’s outbreak “may only be … the tip of the iceberg.”

    The WHO – late again! I watched Chris Martenson mentioning this in one of his previous videos and I still remain calm.

    It is getting increasingly harder for me to find non-politically motivated and non-conspiracy theory motivated, trustworthy information about 2019-nCoV. On feeding into Google “who tip of the iceberg” the first result was usable (channelnewsasia). This was followed by 3 leads to the definition of “tip of the iceberg”.
    (Screenshot available)

    It is not my fault that people have lost confidence in the WHO and that it may need more clicks on it’s web site. All I want is VALID information. Full stop. (Apologies for my outburst here)
    Coronavirus: WHO chief warns against ‘trolls and conspiracy theories’
    and it’s fallout now fuels even more absurd conspiracy theories which conspiracy theorists still will find and publish.

  16. beobrigitte says:

    Frank, I’ve done it again. Too many links…..

  17. beobrigitte says:

    I have just stumbled across something else:
    African leaders are poorly equipped to handle a coronavirus outbreak. Thankfully, their continent may be too hot and humid for the novel virus to spread.
    Heat and humidity hasn’t prevented the Philippines from getting the coronavirus.

    For Africa’s leaders, this would be a nightmare scenario. But thankfully, the continent’s tropical weather may do a better job fighting the coronavirus than its governments ever could.

    Africa Is Still Reeling From The Ebola Outbreak

    That reminds me of chasing up the Ebola epidemic in Congo and looking into how many Chinese tourists/businesses are in Africa. This will be a difficult task and will take a lot of time – hopefully only for a short period of time..

  18. beobrigitte says:

    I watched it this morning. This young man filters out politically motivated people as well as conspiracy theorists and points out to information/videos he could not verify. Her was also the first one screening the call for help from the missing young man who had taken pictures in hospitals etc.

  19. beobrigitte says:

    mobilize international action in response to the new coronavirus (2019-nCoV).

    “Harnessing the power of science is critical for bringing this outbreak under control,” said WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. “There are questions we need answers to, and tools we need developed as quickly as possible. WHO is playing an important coordinating role by bringing the scientific community together to identify research priorities and accelerate progress.”

    The forum, to be held 11-12 February in Geneva, is organized in collaboration with the Global Research Collaboration for Infectious Disease Preparedness.

  20. Frank Davis says:


    elderly passengers and those with chronic health problems may leave the cruise ship as early as Tuesday morning, the source said.

    The decision has emerged as passengers have apparently been under stress during their prolonged isolation on the ship. As of last Wednesday, about 80 percent of the 2,666 passengers were age 60 or older, with 215 in their 80s and 11 in their 90s.


    Officials continue to prevent passengers from disembarking but there is concern that:

    The ship’s ventilation system is not designed to prevent transmission of the coronavirus.
    The crew members (responsible for distributing meals to passengers in their quarters) are not trained in quarantine procedures and may also be incubating the virus.
    Lack of appropriate sanitation may create other issues onboard.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Deaths in China stand at 1,016, with confirmed infections 42,638

      A leading virus expert has warned 60% of the word’s population may catch the virus

      Two senior officials in Hubei province were sacked over their role in combatting the virus

      A leading Chinese academic has blamed President Xi Jinping for the “catastrophe” sweeping China

      Hong Kong’s chief executive asked citizens to stay at home to prevent the virus spreading
      South Korea has advised citizens not to travel to Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand and Singapore

      Thailand has barred passengers from Holland America’s cruise ship MS Westerdam from disembarking

      Vietnam confirmed a three-month-old baby had become the country’s 15th case

      Japanese health authorities will allow older and chronically ill passengers off the stricken Diamond Princess cruise liner amid growing concern about their health

      • beobrigitte says:

        The ship’s ventilation system is not designed to prevent transmission of the coronavirus.
        If coronavirus can be transmitted airborne -oh sh*t!!
        Houston, we’ve got a problem……

  21. beobrigitte says:

    Here my growing concern with respect to the internet censorship (I cannot think of a more appropriate term, apologies) we are currently observing. Should the WHO have the power to appeal for internet censorship? After all, conspiracy theories are nothing new, e.g. Chemtrails, flat earthers etc. etc. Naturally, there will be plenty of new ones springing out the ground with respect to the coronavirus. Whats the problem with that? I believe they do not interfere with the WHO doing their job which is containing the virus.
    Coronavirus: WHO chief warns against ‘trolls and conspiracy theories’
    An increasing number of conspiracy theories is also a good indicator of an increasing number of disgruntled people. Happy, content people just aren’t interested.

    Shouldn’t the WHO’s actions only address the growing spread of the coronavirus rather than trying to silence criticism?
    We all are aware that there is media censorship in China, that the number of infected people may/may not be wrong and that people are being punished for disobedience. The most prominent example recently is Dr. Li Wen Liang, who sadly died.

    Feeding into google “Coronavirus updates” produces on the first page:
    – 3 articles from the media
    – 6 WHO Twitter posts, the third one being on 11.2.2020:
    Noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) are the leading cause of premature death globally.
    WHO’s NCD Progress Monitor 2020 tracks progress by 194 countries against a set of 10 indicators on NCDs.

    – 3 links leading to the WHO web site

    On page 2 the first video link about corona virus leads to the MedCram channel. I struck this one off my list to watch when a non-peer reviewed paper (manuscript) was used as a VALID publication.

    This reminds me of something I observed when visiting a friend living in the north of Germany a few years ago.
    At that time there was unrest and the number of disgruntled citizen began to increase. There were demonstrations accusing the media of being liars. (Lügenpresse)
    https ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
    Lying press (German: Lügenpresse, lit. ‘press of lies’) is a pejorative political term used largely by German political movements for the printed press and the mass media at large, as a propaganda tactic to discredit the free press.

  22. beobrigitte says:

    https ://www.hongkongfp.com/2020/02/11/hong-kong-authorities-evacuate-tsing-yi-estate-flats-second-resident-diagnosed-coronavirus/
    Professor Yuen Kwok-yung of the University of Hong Kong’s Department of Microbiology said the building’s piping system was under investigation as a potential cause of airborne transmission via faeces. Some of the exhaust vents might not have been properly blocked, which would have allowed fans to transport the virus to other flats, he said.

    Perhaps the WHO might want to look into airborne transmission.

    Here the latest video from the young man in Hongkong:

    Also, Chris Martenson’s new video:

    I have not had the chance to watch either as yet, have to get myself ready for a day walking and returning to my house for a meal and a few drinks. On a day like this pubs are out of the question.

  23. beobrigitte says:

    Another point to add to:
    A building’s piping system is being investigated as a potential cause of airborne transmission via feces in Hong Kong after the 42nd case, who lives 10 stories below the 12th confirmed case, was confirmed on February 10. Some of the vents might not have been properly blocked, allowing the virus to be transported to other flats. Still unsure about the exact route of transmission (“it could be the usual droplet transmission but there is the environmental factor”), authorities have evacuated the building.

  24. beobrigitte says:

    I apologise in advance. It is high time for a rant. Fresh air clears the mind, even if it is an only a 4 mile walk in still quite extreme weather conditions.
    During our short walk I did remember seeing somewhere a petition to sign for sacking the WHO director Tedros Adhanom. On clicking on that link I saw that at least 200000 people worldwide had signed it. At that stage I left the page. To me this is a pointless exercise.

    I have a question: is the current media control by the WHO the answer to this? REALLY????

    What happened to the thing we all are proud of – free speech?
    Shouldn’t we be asking the WHO for total transparency first? Moneys incoming from where and how this is spent?
    I am extremely frustrated. 2019-nCoV is a novel virus that has crossed borders. Naturally, people like me just want to observe. Nothing more.
    It is easy to disregard conspiracy theorists and politically motivated people.
    It is tedious and time consuming to get past the WHO censored internet.
    [To me the WHO website is just a muddle and there are plenty of words there (lagging at least a day behind) saying very little.]

    I have disregarded the WHO as a source of information along with the conspiracy theorists from the beginning of this coronavirus epidemic (?pandemic). Ok, even before that, due to the – in my view idiotic – pursuit of becoming the world’s first life style police.

    During our short walk, taking a break on a bench with a bottle of beer (no no alcohol prohibition signs spotted) and a cigarette or two I did remember a comment from Dmitry in which he cynically mentioned all our finger pointing towards China when this coronavirus epidemic started.
    Right now I would love to hear/read what his take of this coronavirus epidemic is.

    Rant over. Apologies, Frank.

  25. beobrigitte says:

    Brief update:

    2019-nCov is now called “Covid-19”.
    The WHO was busy until today in Geneva.

    Der Name ersetze die bisherige Bezeichnung 2019-nCoV, teilte WHO-Chef Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus am Dienstag in Genf mit. “Co” steht demnach für “Corona”, “vi” für “Virus” und “d” für “disease” (Krankheit).
    The name replaces the previous name 2019-nCoV, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus announced on Tuesday in Geneva. “Co” stands for “Corona”, “vi” for “Virus” and “d” for “disease”.

    CoV is the scientifically used term for coronavirus. Do we REALLY NEED “vi” for virus and “d” for disease?

    I am glad the WHO officials were busy in Geneva for 2 days.

    19.38 Uhr: Zwei neue Coronavirus-Fälle in Bayern – nun 16 in Deutschland
    In Bayern gibt es zwei neue bestätigte Coronavirus-Fälle. Damit ist ihre Zahl in Deutschland auf 16 gestiegen. Die zwei Neuerkrankungen stehen im Zusammenhang mit dem Automobilzulieferer Webasto aus Stockdorf bei München, bei dem vor einigen Wochen ein erster Mitarbeiter positiv auf die neuartige Lungenkrankheit getestet worden war. Das berichtete das bayerische Gesundheitsministerium am Dienstagabend in München unter Berufung auf das Landesamt für Gesundheit und Lebensmittelsicherheit. Einzelheiten zu den neuen Fällen wollte das Ministerium am Mittwoch bekanntgeben.

    7:38 pm: Two new coronavirus cases in Bavaria – now 16 in Germany
    There are two new confirmed coronavirus cases in Bavaria. This has brought their number to 16 in Germany. The two new cases are related to the automotive supplier Webasto from Stockdorf near Munich, where a few weeks ago a first employee had tested positive for the new lung disease, the Bavarian Ministry of Health reported on Tuesday evening in Munich, citing the State Office for Health and Food Safety. The ministry would to announce details of the new cases on Wednesday.

    Er sehe zudem eine realistische Chance, die weitere Ausbreitung des Virus zu bremsen. “Wenn wir jetzt investieren, haben wir eine realistische Chance, diesen Ausbruch zu stoppen”, sagte Tedros.
    He also sees a realistic chance to slow the spread of the virus. “If we invest now, we have a realistic chance of stopping this outbreak,” said Tedros.

    It is a rather lengthy article so here the individual headlines:
    14.37 Uhr: Forscher aus Hongkong: Coronavirus könnte 60 Prozent der Weltbevölkerung infizieren
    14:37 hrs: Researchers from Hong Kong: Coronavirus could infect 60 percent of the world’s population

    14.21 Uhr: Pharmaexperten warnen vor Antibiotika-Engpässen
    2:21 pm: Pharmaceutical experts warn of antibiotic shortages

    13.45 Uhr: WHO-Chef – Neuartiges Coronavirus ist “sehr ernste Bedrohung” für die Welt
    1:45 pm: WHO chief – Novel corona virus is “very serious threat” to the world

    13.11 Uhr: Virus-Angst – Kreuzfahrtschiff darf nicht in Asien andocken
    1:11 p.m .: Virus fear – cruise ship is not allowed to dock in Asia

    12.24 Uhr: Zwei negativ getestete Japaner haben doch Coronavirus
    12:24: Two Japanese (?previously) tested negative have Corona virus
    () my addition

    9.35 Uhr: China zählt Infizierte ohne Symptome nicht mehr in Statistik
    9.35 a.m .: China no longer counts infected people without symptoms in the statistics

    8.15 Uhr: “Super-Verbreiter” aus Großbritannien soll Menschen in drei Ländern angesteckt haben
    8.15 a.m .: “Super spreader” from Great Britain is thought to have infected people in three countries
    (I feel sorry for this guy – all he did was combining a business trip with a brief skiing trip before heading home.)

    3 Uhr: China feuert Chefs der Gesundheitskommission in Hubei
    3:00 am: China fires chiefs of the health commission in Hubei

  26. beobrigitte says:

    Princess Cruises announced Tuesday that 39 additional people have tested positive for coronavirus on Diamond Princess, bringing the total number of people on the ship that have fallen ill with the virus to 174; at least 20 of them are American.

    A 14 day quarantine ends 14 days after the LAST infection was recorded. Quarantine on the Diamond Princess started on 3.2.2020, so the recorded new cases still fall into the incubation period of 2 – 14 days of COVID-19. Any new cases reported on the Diamond Princess after 17. February 2020 would not be good news.

    (Frank, the image might need to be resized)

  27. beobrigitte says:

    The coronavirus is “the worst enemy you can ever imagine” and poses a greater global threat than terrorism, the World Health Organisation has warned.

    Urging the world to “wake up” and be as aggressive as possible in tackling the outbreak, the UN health agency has given a new name to the disease that has sickened more than 44,600 people.

    It is now going to be officially known as COVID-19 – CO stands for corona, VI for virus, D for disease and 19 for the year it emerged.

    In contrast to the above a WHO official announced in the BBC that the number of new cases reported in China is dropping gradually.
    This, indeed, would be good news. However:
    The number of confirmed cases globally reached 42,000 on Tuesday, but the rise in cases has been slowing since 6 February. This suggests China’s decision to limit people’s movements in the most affected province, Hubei, is working and that containment may be effective.

    That isn’t certain, however. The decline may also reflect overwhelmed hospitals or testing labs. Studies continue to estimate that there are far more cases in China than those reported. What’s more, tests of people repatriated from China hint there are many mild and asymptomatic cases, who may be able to spread the virus but aren’t necessarily being tested or quarantined.

    Even if mild cases are being tested, they may not have been making it into official figures. Diagnostic guidelines issued last week in China say people without symptoms who test positive for the virus as part of efforts to trace contacts of known cases should only be counted as confirmed cases if they start showing symptoms. The WHO said on Tuesday this would change.

  28. beobrigitte says:

    https ://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51470342
    An A&E doctor is among the eight people who have tested positive for coronavirus in the UK, it has emerged.

    The GP worked on shift at Worthing Hospital in West Sussex.
    The hospital continues to operate as normal, a Department of Health spokeswoman said. It comes after three medical centres were closed in Brighton for precautionary deep cleaning.

    The World Health Organization has named the disease that the virus causes Covid-19.

    Public Health England is contacting a small number of patients who were seen by the A&E worker, who has since followed advice to self-isolate.

    The staff member is the second confirmed healthcare worker to test positive for the virus, after Brighton GP Catriona Greenwood contracted it at a chalet in a French ski resort.
    Here I am being led to ASSUME that the GP on call center is in/near the A&E department. More details would be appreciated as speculation leads to people jumping to conclusions. This is something to be avoided!

    Public Health England is contacting a small number of patients who were seen by the A&E worker, who has since followed advice to self-isolate.
    Self isolation in our neck of the woods should not be a problem. Shopping for necessities online (including pharmaceuticals!), and signalling to the delivery driver through closed window/door to just drop everything right outside the door would be one suggestion. There are online places like skype/mobile phones etc. to keeping in contact with friends/family and TV/Netflix etc. etc. for entertainment, not to mention the internet to follow the ongoing epidemic.


    This is the last stream by this young man as he has to travel to Japan, but he will try and upload shorter updates.

    Here Chris Martenson’s take yesterday.

    There is also a channel “MedCram” but I have disregarded this one simply because it did use a non-peer reviewed manuscript as factual publication and therefore to me it is NOT trustworthy information.

  29. beobrigitte says:


    More than 2,000 passengers and crew are stranded aboard a cruise ship that is low on supplies after Thailand became the fifth country to deny it permission to dock over fears about the coronavirus.

    Not to add yet another comment I would like to point to Chris Martenson’s video above in which he explains in easily understandable language why a vaccine against coronavirus is a challenge.
    Well worth watching before becoming disgruntled with the seemingly slow progress of finding a vaccine.

  30. beobrigitte says:

    44 more cases on the Diamond Princess
    The Diamond Princess:

    Operated by Princess Cruises, the Diamond Princess has 2,666 guests and 1,045 crew.

    It has been docked in Japan’s Yokohama port since February 4 after dozens of people became infected with the virus.

    So far at least 219 people (including five crew members) have tested positive for the coronavirus onboard after 44 more people were confirmed on Thursday.

    It’s the largest outbreak outside of mainland China.

    Those who have tested positive are taken off the ship to hospitals, but passengers onboard must stay in a 14-day quarantine.

    The quarantine is expected to end on February 19.

    Passengers are confined to their rooms and allowed on deck for a limited time.

    Crew members continue to work and one worker told CNN she fears the crew are at greater risk of being exposed to the outbreak because they are not being quarantined in the same way as the passengers.

    Captain Stefano Ravera said everyone over the age of 80 has now been tested for the novel coronavirus.

    Some passengers will be allowed to disembark the ship early, including those aged 80 years or over with a chronic medical condition, those 80 years or over staying in an inside cabin (with no balcony), and those under 80 who have been given a test for any other reason.

    Passengers who do disembark early will have to remain in government housing facilities until February 19.

    I am a little concerned that the company owning the Diamond Princess had not looked intensively into what quarantine measures include. 5 more staff were diagnosed.
    Crew members continue to work and one worker told CNN she fears the crew are at greater risk of being exposed to the outbreak because they are not being quarantined in the same way as the passengers.


  31. Frank Davis says:


    Japan has announced its first death from the coronavirus outbreak, hours after confirming 44 more cases on a cruise ship quarantined near Tokyo, as fears of the spreading disease mount in the country.

    The health minister, Katsunobu Kato, said the first fatality was a woman in her 80s who had been in hospital since 1 February, when she was diagnosed with pneumonia.

    Her confirmed diagnosis came after her death, he said. The woman, a resident of Kanagawa prefecture near Tokyo, was the mother-in-law of a taxi driver who also became a newly confirmed case, Japanese media reported. Health ministry officials declined to officially confirm a relationship at the request of the family.

    Authorities also confirmed two more cases: a doctor in his 50s who works at a hospital in western Japan and a man in his 20s who lives in Chiba, near Tokyo. None had a record of travelling abroad in recent weeks or contacts with Chinese nationals – a possible sign that the virus is spreading inside the country.

    Earlier in the day, Kato said there were 44 more cases on the Diamond Princess, which is still carrying nearly 3,500 passengers and crew members. The cruise ship now has 218 people infected with the virus aboard out of 713 tested since it entered the port of Yokohama on 3 February, the largest cluster of infections outside China.

  32. Frank Davis says:


    A 30% increase in cases were confirmed on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan, Health Minister Katsunobu Kato told reporters on Saturday morning.

    The U.S. Embassy in Japan said Americans aboard the quarantined cruise ship would be able to catch a flight back to the U.S. via a chartered plane sponsored by the U.S. government.

    The aircraft will arrive in Japan on Sunday evening, but the U.S. Embassy wasn’t exact on when the flight would depart.

    About 380 Americans are aboard the ship, which is currently docked at Yokohama, a port city southwest of Tokyo.

    So far, 285 people have tested positive for the virus after the new 67 cases were reported on Saturday.

  33. Frank Davis says:


    The Japanese authorities on Sunday said the number of new cases on board the ship had risen by 70 to 355.

    • beobrigitte says:

      In the meantime the Americans are flying their passengers home. Italy plans the same. The English and 10 Germans are having to stay another 14 days quarantine.

      The MS Westerdam which was finally granted to dock in Cambodia now has 1 confirmed case, too.

  34. beobrigitte says:

    Apologies for just a brief update last night about the floating Petri-dish Diamond Princess. I was just too tired as I had spend the last few days in lock down, reading, reading, reading, reading.
    I am sure that the conservative web sites listed provide an interesting read and even better speculations but I’d rather stick to scientific material.

    For people interested:
    With respect to the Diamond Princess. The US has taken it’s citizen off the Diamond Princess and they are on their way home. I am not sure if this was a wise decision as Japan can hardly be classed as a poor third world country but I trust the US to have excellent quarantine facilities so further run-away trains should not get more ammunition.
    For now the rest of the passengers and crew have to stay put for yet another 14 days. Hopefully the remaining crew will be quarantined in cabins as well and a new crew (well cladded up) will provide for all in quarantine there.

    With respect to the MS Westerdam cruise ship which was refused docking in 4 Asian ports and finally allowed to do so by Cambodia eventually had 1 case diagnosed.
    Here a statement on the company’s web site:
    Update: 2/16/2020 5:24 am Pacific Time
    Holland America Line is working closely with government and health officials in Malaysia and Cambodia and experts in the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO). At this time, no other guests or crew, either on board or on their way home, have reported any symptoms of the illness. Guests who have already returned home will be contacted by their local health department and be provided further information.

    According to the shipping company, no further cases of corona symptoms have occurred in the passengers and crew of the “Westerdam” cruise ship. The guests who had already traveled home would be contacted by their local health authorities, the Holland America Line said on Sunday.

    (Google translate)
    According to the shipping company, no further cases of corona symptoms have occurred in the passengers and crew of the “Westerdam” cruise ship. The guests who had already traveled home would be contacted by their local health authorities, the Holland America Line said on Sunday.

    An infection was surprisingly found on the weekend of “Westerdam” passengers who had landed in Cambodia. An 83-year-old American was tested positive for the onward journey in Malaysia and taken to the hospital, according to the Malaysian health authority.

    According to the shipping company, 57 Germans were among the travelers. According to information from the German Press Agency, some are still on board the “Westerdam” in Sihanoukville, while others have already started their journey home. The guests on board the ship are to be tested for the virus.
    An infection was surprisingly found on the weekend of “Westerdam” passengers who had landed in Cambodia. An 83-year-old American was tested positive for the onward journey in Malaysia and taken to the hospital, according to the Malaysian health authority.

    According to the shipping company, 57 Germans were among the travelers. According to information from the German Press Agency, some are still on board the “Westerdam” in Sihanoukville, while others have already started their journey home. The guests on board the ship are to be tested for the virus.

    I am a little surprised, though, why smoking is such a priority (?WHO) in this outbreak.
    This paper:
    is in it’s end phase of “peer review” and will be published soon.
    More of the same are in the pipeline.

    Please do let me know if you all are bored with coronavirus updates. I will take no offence!

    • beobrigitte says:

      14 new cases from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan: a group of US citizens whose results for COVID-19 tests (done 2-3 days earlier) arrived while en-route from the cruise ship to the airport for a flight back to the United States.

  35. beobrigitte says:

    Frank, comment is in the black hole again

  36. beobrigitte says:

    And here a correction of something I have just come across:

    New revelation: Over the weekend, however, a transcript of an internal Communist Party speech appeared to throw doubt on this narrative, revealing Xi knew about and was directing the response to the virus on January 7 — almost two weeks before he commented on it publicly.

    Why this matters: The revelation raises major questions about whether it was the central government, not authorities in Hubei, who dithered on their response, allowing the virus to spread through the country and eventually the world.

    The very same Chinese government had notified the WHO on 31.12.2019 of the situation.
    On this website you can find information and guidance from WHO regarding the current outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) that was first reported from Wuhan, China, on 31 December 2019. Please visit this page for daily updates.
    (Screenshot available)

    It is always good to verify information.

  37. Frank Davis says:


    Fourteen US citizens who were evacuated from a quarantined cruise ship have been flown home – despite being found to have COVID-19 on the way to the airport.

  38. Frank Davis says:


    China has flooded cities and villages with battalions of neighborhood busybodies, uniformed volunteers and Communist Party representatives to carry out one of the biggest social control campaigns in history.

    The goal: to keep hundreds of millions of people away from everyone but their closest kin.

    The nation is battling the coronavirus outbreak with a grass-roots mobilization reminiscent of Mao-style mass crusades not seen in China in decades, essentially entrusting front line epidemic prevention to a supercharged version of a neighborhood watch.

  39. beobrigitte says:

    The very same Chinese government had notified the WHO on 31.12.2019 of the situation.
    On this website you can find information and guidance from WHO regarding the current outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) that was first reported from Wuhan, China, on 31 December 2019. Please visit this page for daily updates.

    The question is: isn’t it the WHO who fu…. erm messed also this outbreak up? Remember Ebola in Liberia in 2014?

    Draconic China’s measure may seem. However, the number of patients recovered vs the number of critical patients is getting very close now. Once the number of patients recovered exceeds the number of critical patients an end of this outbreak is in sight.

  40. Frank Davis says:


    Another 99 people have tested positive for coronavirus onboard the stricken Princess Diamond cruise ship docked in Japan, bringing the total number of confirmed infections to 454.

    • beobrigitte says:

      The British are being flown home.
      The Department of Health and Social Care confirmed today that it has block-booked the hotel indefinitely, as part of measures to control the spread of coronavirus.

      Doctors will be sent to the site to carry out the tests, and anyone with a positive result will then be sent on to specialist hospitals for treatment.

      Officials hope it will limit the number of passengers travelling into London – and beyond – when they are infectious.

      The rooms – which normally cost £80 a night – will be used to isolate suspected cases while test results are awaited.

      Health officials said that most of those who stay at the centre would be expected to stay for 48 hours, while awaiting test results, and would be free to leave after a negative result.

      • beobrigitte says:

        ‘Every scenario is still on the table’, says WHO
        Speaking at a World Health Organization press conference in Geneva, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that although cases seem to be declining it’s too early to tell if that drop will continue.

        “Every scenario [is] still on the table”, he said.

        Dr Tedros added that a “clearer picture of the outbreak” is emerging.
        He said that China have shared today data on 44,000 confirmed cases, which “gives us a better understanding of the age range of people infected, the severity of the disease and the mortality rate.”

        The data showed that:

        – 80% of cases are mild and patients will fully recover
        – 14% of cases more serious, causing illness including pneumonia and shortness of breath
        – 5% of cases need intensive hospital care, with symptoms including septic shock and multi-organ failure
        – 2% of cases are fatal – and the risk of death increases the older you are
        -Relatively few cases among children, though experts are not yet sure why
        But Dr Tedros said the WHO had not received the $665 million they have called for to help fight the outbreak”
        “We have not seen the urgency in funding that we need. As I keep saying we have a window of opportunity now, we need resources now to ensure countries are prepared now.

        “We don’t know how long this window of opportunity will remain open, lets not squander it.”

        I wish someone would tell Dr. Tedros that the Chinese already are transfusing blood plasma from blood donated by recovered patients who by now are beginning to produce an antibody to this virus. (Chris Martenson talked about this in yesterday’s video!! For some reason he hasn’t uploaded a video today, I was quite looking forward his next ).
        It seems the best way to go. The number of recovered patients is steadily rising and I take it, those who had the mild version of it are happy to donate blood.

        http:// http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/14/c_138781426.htm
        WUHAN, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) — An expert from Wuhan has called upon cured patients who were infected with the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) to donate plasma at hospitals as antibodies have been identified in the plasma of some patients.
        Initial results have indicated the effectiveness of plasma transfusion in curing patients diagnosed with COVID-19 infection, said Zhang Dingyu, head of Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital, a major designated hospital to admit confirmed cases, during a provincial press conference Thursday.

        Chinese health authorities said that a total of 5,911 patients infected with the novel coronavirus had been discharged from hospital after recovery by the end of Wednesday, with Wednesday witnessing 1,171 people walk out of hospital after recovery.

  41. beobrigitte says:

    Sorry Frank. Another black hole got in the way…

  42. Frank Davis says:


    “The quarantine process failed,” Fauci said. “I’d like to sugarcoat it and try to be diplomatic about it, but it failed. People were getting infected on that ship. Something went awry in the process of the quarantining on that ship. I don’t know what it was, but a lot of people got infected on that ship.”

  43. Frank Davis says:


    Japan Confirms 88 More Cases Aboard ‘Diamond Princess’, Bringing Total To 542 One Day Before Quarantine Set To End

  44. beobrigitte says:

    Is it quarantine or isolation?
    I know both by heart – elf’n’favety was at least once/year in our drill. I know all variations by heart. And it is a rather extensive drill,
    Isolation (what was done in the Wirral for the first negative patients) is easy. Yet I saw on videos the passengers of the Diamond princess unable to cope over a period of 10 days.
    Bad news for you guys. Quarantine is a lot worse.
    In short, the ship’s company hasn’t got a clue and keeping passengers happy vs REAL isolation

    Zerohedge et al, I have something REALLY good for you: Diphteria after Gram staining looks like Chinese letters. Off you go!
    The quality of comments on your site is even below than those left of “Bild”. I congratulate on this achievement. It takes a lot of intellectual low flight to beat “Bild”.

    (Oh, btw, the chinese have done it. Recovery rate is above critical patient rate. You hate this, don’t you?)
    In the meantime you all have kept your eye on utter nonsense whilst the anti-smokers are flying high.
    Frank, is this blog now about your newly found revelation of conservative party or is it still about the smoking ban?

  45. Frank Davis says:


    The Japanese professor Kentaro Iwata, an epidemiologist at the University Hospital of Kobe University, spent a day at the Diamond Princess as a volunteer. In multiple YouTube videos, he strongly criticized government policy.

    “The cruise ship was completely inadequate in terms of controlling infections,” he said in one of them.

    “There was not a single infection control professional on the ship, nor anyone professionally involved in infection prevention. The bureaucrats were in charge of everything.”

    “There is no clear distinction between the green (healthy) zones and the red (potentially infected) zones. And the staff is running back and forth,” Iwata reported.

    the Ministry of Health reported that 79 further cases of infection had occurred on board. A total of 621 people are now infected, most of whom have been taken to hospitals.

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