A Black Mark For Donald Trump

This Breitbart report seems to only apply to the US military:

Donald Trump Hails Bill Raising Smoking Age to 21

President Donald Trump praised a massive military spending bill on Friday that includes a provision raising the smoking age to 21.

Trump indicated that he would sign the $738 billion spending bill, which includes a slew of other legislative priorities for both Republicans and Democrats.

“It will include 12 weeks Paid Parental Leave, gives our troops a raise, importantly creates the SPACE FORCE, SOUTHERN BORDER WALL FUNDING, repeals ‘Cadillac Tax’ on Health Plans, raises smoking age to 21!” Trump wrote. “BIG!”The bill to raise the smoking age to 21 is technically part of a second $1.4 trillion year-end appropriations bill that is also awaiting the president’s signature before he leaves for Christmas.

The plan to raise the smoking age received support from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell as well as other Senate Republicans and Democrats. E-Cigarette maker Juul also backed the new age restrictions to demonstrate to regulators its willingness to keep its products out of the hands of children.

The age limit hike also applies to e-cigarettes and all traditional tobacco products.

Trump also supported the idea to help stop kids from vaping with e-cigarettes.

“We have to take care of our kids, most importantly, so we’re going to have an age limit of 21 or so,” he said in November.

Trump initially proposed banning all flavored e-cigarettes but backed down from the proposal after he learned of a likely backlash from voters.

So “taking care of our kids” will include banning them from smoking, but won’t include not sending them off to fight in foreign wars.

Comments under the article are strongly negative. Sample:

If an 18 year old isn’t mature enough to make a decision on smoking, then they aren’t mature enough to make a decision on voting.
On the other hand, if an 18 year old is mature enough to drive a car and serve in the military, they are mature enough to smoke a cigarette and drink a beer.


I remember when my now departed mother-in-law would send her 8 year old son to the bar a block way, to buy a pack of Pall Mall for her. If you value personal freedom, those were the good ole days…yes sir they were.


In combat conditions, soldiers tend to rely on the nicotine to keep them going. Chewing tobacco is exceptionally popular.


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18 Responses to A Black Mark For Donald Trump

  1. smokingscot says:

    I can only reiterate what others have said.

    When exactly does a person become an adult nowadays?

    The US military already has enough trouble recruiting people – and this will only make their job more difficult.

    Juul is being especially stupid siding with them. Yes it’s all about politics and appeasement, but how long before they raise the minimum age to 25?

    • Joe L. says:

      The US military already has enough trouble recruiting people – and this will only make their job more difficult.

      Excellent point. This bill only increases the legal age for buying tobacco to 21 on military bases (i.e., federal property). However, the legal age to purchase tobacco in most states is still 18 (a few of the more Progressive states have increased the age to 21 in recent years). Now, if you live in a state where the legal age is still 18, joining the military under the age of 21 effectively means volunteering to give your life for your country while being “rewarded” with less freedoms than you have as a civilian.

      I have a feeling this new law will be used as a benchmark with which to pressure all states into increasing the legal age to 21. I hope I’m wrong.

      • Joe L. says:

        It appears I may have been wrong. According to this CNN article (if you can even trust CNN anymore), the author makes it sound like the bill Trump just passed raises the legal age to purchase tobacco to 21 across the country, not only on federal property. I believe states might be able to fight this (although I doubt any would in the current Healthist era). I need to research this some more.

        • Frank Davis says:

          When I first read about it I had the strong impression that it was restricted to the US military. I’d be interested to hear what you find out. If it’s across the whole of the USA, that’s much worse than just a black mark for Trump.

        • Frank Davis says:

          Lionel on raising smoking age, at 11:30 in.

          He asked viewers what they thought, and the response was “bad”. He himself as an ex-smoker said he thought smokin or vaping anything was stupid, but didn’t think that it was for the government to stop people doing stupid things.

        • Joe L. says:

          Upon further research, it appears that this bill does indeed raise the minimum age to purchase tobacco products to 21 years across the entire U.S.; it does not appear to be limited to federal property as I/we originally assumed. The sections of the bill pertaining to raising the minimum age for purchasing tobacco products were basically attached to a completely unrelated bill consisting mostly of defense-related spending because the slimy politicians who wanted to get the age increase passed knew this big bill would very likely get passed in order to prevent a government shutdown. [Which implies they assumed the age increase wouldn’t easily pass if it was introduced as a separate bill.] This is repulsive. I have never understood how it is considered constitutional for lawmakers to attach unrelated legislation to large bills like this in order to easily and quietly get them signed into law without debate or discussion.

          For reference, sections 603 and 604 of the new bill (pages 590-594) state that this bill amends two previously enacted laws (21 U.S. Code § 387f and 42 U.S. Code § 300x–26), now forcing all states to prohibit the sale of tobacco products to persons under 21 years of age.

          The U.S. government currently appears to be more partisan and divided than it has since the Civil War (keep in mind that nearly all Democrats voted to impeach Trump just two days before he signed this bill into law), yet they have no trouble coming together to pass a bipartisan bill which includes raising the legal age to buy tobacco products. Earlier this month, Republicans and Democrats also happily crossed party lines to pass an extension of the unconstitutional PATRIOT Act. I’m more inclined than ever to believe this partisan division is all a public charade; just a big distraction which allows these bastards to sneakily pass controversial bills like these by eliminating the opportunity for the lowly proletariat (a.k.a. their constituents) to rise up and protest.

  2. Timothy Goodacre says:

    Very disappointing.

  3. Clicky says:

  4. Rose says:

    In other news

    OUT MEANS OUT! Boris promises complete break from EU laws in major victory for Brexiteers
    Dec 21, 2019

    “PRIME MINISTER Boris Johnson has insisted that Britain will not follow EU rules after finally leaving the bloc on January 31.”

    I wish we hadn’t followed this one.

    Resolution of the Council and the Ministers for Health of the Member States, meeting within the Council of 18 July 1989 on banning smoking in places open to the public
    Official Journal C 189 , 26/07/1989 P. 0001 – 0002

    “to take the following measures by introducing legislation or by other methods in accordance with national practices and conditions:
    1. Ban smoking in enclosed premises open to the public which form part of the public or private establishments listed in the Annex.”

    One lives in hope.

  5. smokingscot says:

    More idiot news. All hospitals in England will be smoke free by April next year (30% are not). Do note what lot did the surveys – impartial… not.


    A surprising number of comments are critical of their strategy.

  6. Philip Neal says:

    Until now, President Trump has always been right. I am terrifically disillusioned by this news.

    • Joe L. says:

      I’m sorry, Philip, but you don’t seriously believe that “President Trump has always been right”, do you?

      What about when Trump appointed Scott Gottlieb as FDA commissioner?

      What about when Trump championed Scott Gottlieb’s proposal to limit the amount of nicotine in tobacco products?

      What about when Trump proposed banning all flavored vaping products?

      What about Trump running a campaign that vilified “Crooked Hillary” Clinton (his nickname), leading chants of “Lock her up!”, yet once he took office he failed to open any new investigations into her transgressions and told his supporters to stop using the chant?

      I’m very disappointed that Trump passed this bill, but I’m far, far from surprised.

  7. slugbop007 says:

    President Trump could have acquired many more votes just by rescinding the present anti-tobacco laws. Instead he decided to capitulate to the Democrats. I would love to find out which pressure groups persuaded (pressured?) he and Mitch McConnell to enact this regressive legislation. Let’s face it, Donald Trump is not an enlightened individual. Never has been, never will be.

    slugbop007 Happy Holidays

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