Unexpected Honesty from Tobacco Control

Hat tip to Smoking Lamp for finding this piece of unexpected honesty from Dr Marewa Glover, an NZ Auckland-based tobacco researcher, during videoed submissions on a proposed law to ban smoking in cars:

“In tobacco control over 35 years, we have exaggerated the effects deliberately to scare people off smoking,” she told the Health Select Committee on Wednesday.

“What we didn’t realise, was that years down the track, we’d be in this situation where everyone believed what we said and are now taking these extreme, punitive measures, when the evidence does not support the need for it.”

This is an astonishingly candid admission that Tobacco Control has been lying for a very long time about the dangers associated with smoking. It’s also an admission that antismoking measures that are being taken are both extreme and punitive.

She’s saying that people in Tobacco Control are surprised that everyone still believes the lies they’ve been telling. What the hell else did they expect?

She’s a truth-telling whistleblower from within Tobacco Control. If she hasn’t been already, she’ll probably be fired, de-funded, and denounced by colleagues in Tobacco Control.

She’s Tobacco Control’s Edward Snowden. Or she’s Tobacco Control’s Judith Curry, the global warming alarmist who became a sceptic.

I suppose it shouldn’t be too much of a surprise that there is at least one honest person in Tobacco Control. But from the way she’s talking, it sounds like she’s not the only one, and some of her colleagues share her views. Who else was she referring to when she said “what we didn’t realise”? If it was simply her own opinion, wouldn’t she have said “what I didn’t realise”? So it would appear that there is a body of opinion inside Tobacco Control that believes that Tobacco Control has been exaggerating the health threats of tobacco, and that many antismoking measures are both extreme and punitive, and they’re surprised that everyone still believes the lies they’ve been telling them.

But why is it only now, after 35 years in Tobacco Control, that she’s chosen to speak up in front of incredulous NZ MPs? A bit more about her:

Marewa Glover is a New Zealand public health academic specialising in smoking cessation. She is Māori, of Ngā Puhi descent and is a full professor at Massey University.

Glover is long time smoking-reduction researcher, who switched from supporting tobacco taxes to opposing them for hurting the most vulnerable.

Glover’s research has been widely covered in the press.

In 2017 she was a finalist in the New Zealand Women of Influence Awards.

She appears in quite a few YouTube videos, e.g. here, here, and here. In the one below, she’s talking on Skype to what seem to be trio of vapers about the situation in New Zealand:

So it would seem that she’s not only a well-known and influential figure in Tobacco Control, but someone who actually talks to smokers (or at least vapers). Maybe that’s how she’s come to recognise that many antismoking measures are both extreme and punitive?

What she doesn’t seem to have yet realised is what colossal and irreparable social damage Tobacco Control has done over the past 40 years, leaving shattered communities everywhere, friends set against friends, husbands against wives, fathers against sons.

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14 Responses to Unexpected Honesty from Tobacco Control

  1. Algernon Struthers says:

    I went to secondary school in NZ, and there are Maori who tell it as they see it. But who knows these days how long they’ll allow Marewa to stay in her position. Something like Canada’s Trudeau, kicking out the native Indian, Jody Wilson-Raybould, ‘who told it as she saw it.’

  2. beobrigitte says:

    “In tobacco control over 35 years, we have exaggerated the effects deliberately to scare people off smoking,” she told the Health Select Committee on Wednesday.

    “What we didn’t realise, was that years down the track, we’d be in this situation where everyone believed what we said and are now taking these extreme, punitive measures, when the evidence does not support the need for it.”
    Dr. Glover will be hung, drawn and quartered by the anti-smoker fanatics just like Dr. Siegel was. I believe both continue to be anti-smokers (and pro-vaping?).

    Glover is long time smoking-reduction researcher, who switched from supporting tobacco taxes to opposing them for hurting the most vulnerable.
    At these tobacco prices the NZ tobacco tax hurts. Full stop. And, yes, the most vulnerable get hurt the most, which will be most people, amongst them also pensioners and those on low income/unemployed.
    https://www.discountt.co.nz/Price+List/Tobacco+Price+List+2019.html

    What she doesn’t seem to have yet realised is what colossal and irreparable social damage Tobacco Control has done over the past 40 years, leaving shattered communities everywhere, friends set against friends, husbands against wives, fathers against sons.
    Tobacco Control has no conscience, therefore it does not care for the people and nothing other than the destruction of the tobacco industry matters to it.

    It is high time to get rid of tobacco control!!

    • smokingscot says:

      Many thanks for that link BB.

      One NZD is about 50 pence, so buying 30 gr of JPS at about NZD 60 is about 30 quid.

      The average wage in NZ was NZD 49000 in 2016 (£24500) while that in the UK was £29000 last year. So they’re paying damned near 3 times the price (it’s £11.50 here) and it’ll go up by 10% every 6 months.

      All tobacco control has achieved is to price the stuff out of reach of 90% of the population. And any f…wit can do that, so tobacco control’s role in this is to front the bullshit and make it all look dead scientific as they kill pubs, social venues and tobacco farmers (the last one being very real with suicides amongst Indian tobacco farmers at an all time high).

      And a big thank you to Smoking Lamp and Christopher Franklin.

  3. DP says:

    Dear Mr Davis

    It could be the turning point in the smoker controllers’ fortunes, where the scales fall from the eyes of those whom the frauds and liars have deceived for so long and the smoker controllers face at worst defunding and at best (from the point of view of justice) prosecution and a long time in jail. Hopefully they’ll be stripped of their evilly acquired pensions.

    Alternatively, as smoker control is a fully paid up part of our morbidly obese government, it is more likely that Dr Glover will be declared a heretic and sacked.

    Her voice will however continue to be heard on the internet and may well mark the beginning of the restoration of smokers’ rights.

    I am still hopeful that one day in the near future smokers everywhere will simply go down to their nearest pub, order a pint, sit down and light up and the publican will rush to put ashtrays on the tables and it will be as if we all wake up from a bad dream.

    DP

    • smokingscot says:

      Sadly not a snowballs hope in hell on that. Stanton in California is getting 20% of the $2 tax they slapped on cigarettes a couple of years back.

      He’s got this lot on his payroll

      https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/tobacco-faculty

      I couldn’t be shagged to cunt them. Then he’s got fellows and alumni and yes he uses his funding to further tobacco control in te 3rd world.

      The irony is this is all done despite the fact the USA has not ratified FCTC.

      Then there’s Bloomberg’s philanthropy and they have huge sums to peddle influence in the less developed world.

      Kick in charities and idiotic health ministers (and ours insults idiots) and they’re pretty well set for eternity, with Stanton branching into Canabis.

  4. Rhys says:

    And the vultures are gathering: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rnz/otago-university-academics-shun-smoking-researcher

    I actually quite like Marewa, even if I don’t completely agree with her. We ‘met’ on twitter some years back when I was arguing with some lunatic Australian TCer, who was saying the best way to help Aussie smokers on welfare was to cut their money until they quit. Odd idea of ‘help’, but we’ve all seen it. Shockingly, (for a tobacco controller) Marewa felt the same way I did.

    So ironic that the alleged good guys in this fight are the highly funded who see smokers as not-quite-human, and the bad guys are the ones who recognise that we are, indeed, people.

  5. smokingscot says:

    @Rhys

    Comprehensive putdown of the lady. Numerous sources, but no author mentioned.

    Otago is a teeny pimple in South Island, famous only for Duneiden (the ancient name for Edinburgh – and it was a royal bitch to drive through, with Edinburgh street names all messed up). However most important, the daily circulation of the Otago Daily Times is 43,000.

    So with their sort of budget they do not have invesigative journalists, so the donation of an article produced by tobacco control, designed to look like a newspaper report, would have been manna from heaven.

    And their lead article today is their hospital needs a doctor!

  6. forcesnl says:

    Remember that there were more sorry opters in TC in the past. I remember Luc Martial (Canada) and David Goerlitz, the former Winston Man. And I am sure there are some more.

  7. waltc says:

    I just read yesterday–and now can’t find again– an NPR interview with a TC researcher (was his name Baker?) who was saying the same things–that all the rationales for the bans were a crock–BUT that if they succeeded in denormalization and getting smokers to quit or others not to start, it was probably worth it. Still, he feared that public health might start to be mistrusted if the public found out they’d been sold a pack of lies, so he felt it would be better if they were honest and admitted what they were actually doing.

    • Rose says:

      Ronald Bayer has been worrying about this for a while.

      HEALTH POLICY AND ETHICS
      Tobacco Control, Stigma, and Public Health: Rethinking the Relations

      Ronald Bayer, PhD
      2005

      “The AIDS epidemic has borne witness to the terrible burdens imposed by stigmatization and to the way in which marginalization could subvert the goals of HIV prevention. Out of that experience, and propelled by the linkage of public health and human rights, came the commonplace assertion that stigmatization was a retrograde force.

      Yet, strikingly, the antitobacco movement has fostered a social transformation that involves the stigmatization of smokers”
      https://web.archive.org/web/20080517043652/http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/full/96/1/47#R30

      But you can see from this study, that he like all the others lacks the empathy to imagine what it is truly like to have your world suddenly destroyed around you for doing something considered completely normal the day before.

  8. Phil Button says:

    Brilliant work Mr Davis. Thank you.

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