They’re All Bastards In Tobacco Control.

I’m still thinking about that report I mentioned yesterday:

The last cigarette smoked in England will be put out in 2050 – and Bristol’s final smoker will quit in just five years, scientists claim

If nothing else, this claim captures just a little of the scale of the ambition of Tobacco Control. For Tobacco Control hasn’t just set out to stop everyone from smoking in England: they’ve set out to to stop all smoking everywhere in the world.

They have embarked on a truly vast project. It’s a project that amounts to a global revolution: stopping everyone from smoking anything, anywhere. It’s a project that rivals the Communist Revolutionary project, which was also global in scale.

We should perhaps think of Richard Doll as a new Lenin, and George Godber as a new Stalin, and Deborah Arnott as a Rosa Luxemburg. And in fact that was probably how they saw themselves, and still see themselves – as revolutionaries out to re-make the world into a Better Place. These conferences they hold all round the world are their version of the meetings of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet.

But it’s precisely because it’s such a vast project on which they have embarked that it is also a doomed project. Because the bigger the project on which anyone embarks, the less likely it is to succeed. If you set out to do something that’s simple and easy, you’ll probably succeed in carrying it to completion.

And it’s also because it’s such a vast project that it’s also a monstrous project. The bigger the project, the more people who will get crushed and destroyed by it. If you set out, for example, to completely rebuild New York City, millions of people will be displaced and exiled and evicted in the process.

The same thing applies to the EU “project”. It became over-ambitious.  What had been a little collection of trading nations metamorphosed into an emerging superstate. And it started crushing too many people with its one-size-fits-all strictures.

The fate of Tobacco Control is going to be the same fate as the Soviet Union (and now the EU). It was simply far too ambitious. And it made too many enemies. And what had started out looking new and attractive to millions of ardent believers ended up looking ugly and brutal to almost everybody with eyes to see.

Because Tobacco Control is ugly and brutal. And it’s not so much engaged in creating a new world as it is in destroying an old one. Tobacco Control doesn’t make anything: it only breaks things. It’s purely vandalistic. It disfigures everything it touches (as is readily apparent in its obscene “plain packaging” ).

Tobacco Control is ugly and brutal, and so is everyone who works in it. They’re all extremely nasty people. Richard Doll, George Godber, Stanton Glantz, Deborah Arnott, and all the rest of them are very, very nasty people. And they’re nasty because the project on which they’ve been engaged is a monstrous project.

They’re all bastards in Tobacco Control. You’re some sort of bastard if you’re trying to force people to do something they don’t want to do. It doesn’t make any difference if you think that you’re doing them good by making them stop smoking: once you started forcing them to do it, all the good went out of it.

Tobacco Control likes to portray tobacco companies as the embodiment of evil in the world. But tobacco companies don’t force people to smoke in the way that Tobacco Control forces people to stop smoking. Tobacco companies sell a product that people can buy or not buy: they let people make up their own minds. But Tobacco Control wants to take away people’s freedom to choose. And that’s why it’s really Tobacco Control that is the true embodiment of evil in the world. And why one day it will be recognised as evil.

Hat tip to Walt for  this:

The debate over tobacco control in Europe is expected to heat up next week, as public health and human rights activists are organising a series of events in Bucharest with the aim to advocate the fight against tobacco as a fundamental right.

On 26 March, a Global Forum on Human Rights and a Tobacco-Free World will be organised in Romania by the European Network for Smoking and Tobacco Prevention (ENSP), ASH and hosted by Romanian President Klaus Iohannis. In addition, on 27-29 March, ENSP will organise its 4th International Conference on Tobacco Control together with the Romanian Society of Pneumology.

Andriukaitis, who will participate in the conferences, said the right to health was fundamental.

“It’s introduced in the Lisbon Treaty and all our policies should keep in mind that people’s health needs to be protected. It’s a fundamental right to protect children from risk factors and implement child rights conventions signed by countries worldwide,” the EU Commissioner said.

I don’t think there is “a right to health”. How can there be a right to health in a world where everyone eventually ends up dead? Clearly no such right exists. It’s wishful thinking.

Another bizarre piece of thinking from the same piece:

Andriukaitis said tobacco was an “accidental product” in Europe as no one on the continent smoked before Columbus brought it here. He said nicotine was a completely different issue compared to alcohol, whose consumption indeed needs to be controlled, but alcohol has had 10,000 years of culture in the continent.

So this guy thinks that if something has been around for a mere 500 years it’s some sort of upstart interloper, but if it’s been around for 10,000 years it’s an established part of the culture.

By that reasoning (if it merits the name of reasoning) more or less everything we use these days,  from cars and trains and planes to computers and phones and TV sets, must all be regarded as “accidental products”. because they’ve been around for a lot less than 500 years. Does he want to ban them too? And if not, why not?

And this guy is the EU Commissioner responsible for health. Is it any wonder that the EU is disintegrating, if it’s run by people like this?

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23 Responses to They’re All Bastards In Tobacco Control.

  1. Timothy Goodacre says:

    As i said yesterday Bristolians will NOT accept not being able to smoke cigarettes in 5 years time. Nobody normal in Bristol gives a toss about Tobacco Control.

  2. Mark Jarratt, Canberra, Australia says:

    The tobacco control prohibitionists have come to believe their own propaganda. If truly held, the belief system and global framework has all the features of a neurotic cult.
    The Australian Home Affairs website now states that permits to import tobacco will be required with effect 1 July 2019, or very legal astronomically taxed tobacco shipments (the anti industry zealots already forced closure of all domestic growers, mostly in Queensland) will be forfeit to the Crown as prohibited imports, owing to the expanding incidence of undeclared imports and the high value of tobacco.
    Those ‘reasons’ are clearly both direct consequences of punitive tax and ban government hyper regulation at the urging of fanatical lifestyle controllers. Yet another draconian treat in store for smokers. The website is silent on whether personal importers will be forced to jump through petty bureaucratic hoops to avoid being obliged to buy defaced debased state approved propaganda pack products, but if so the system should be overwhelmed with multiple tobacco permit applications, to show the bullies they are not exponents of reality, and bring down their ivory tower edifice built on money stolen from smokers.

    • Timothy Goodacre says:

      That is disgusting Mark. I don’t know about you but it certainly makes me think dark thoughts about these lifestyle controllers.

      • Mark Jarratt, Canberra, Australia says:

        Yes Mr Timothy – as Frank has astutely noted in many other posts, the tobacco control fanatics always propose more of the same: taxes and bans, bans and taxes, and regulatory obstacles such as licensing, guaranteed to fuel an ever expanding army of drones, mindless drones, paid for with money stolen from smokers. Dystopia rules, KO.

  3. DP says:

    Dear Mr Davis

    Look at it from the poor smoker controllers’ points of view: they are running out of things to proscribe, prescribe, ban, restrict, deface, abuse and generally conspire to make other people’s lives a misery. So much time so little to do.

    They can see the light at the end of their particularly dark, satanic tunnel. They have suffered from tunnel vision all their miserable lives. The idea of coming out into bright sunshine must be very frightening for them.

    I can’t imagine that they will suddenly see the light, and how appallingly they have treated their fellow man for their personal pleasure and profit. One wonders how they will fill their time between now and retirement – though Mr Glantz (who has 2.0 children) is around 73 so well past retirement and Ms Arnott is about 63, so a few more years before official retirement age, which is not compulsory, so she can continue to torment smokers for their own good until she decides to pack it in or dies, whichever the sooner.

    They will certainly not be brought to account for their criminal behaviour, since they are creatures of government. Government has long overtaken the role of religion to abuse and terrify the public.

    I guess I’ll have to keep on smoking half a dozen cigarettes a year for the foreseeable future.

    DP

    • Rose says:

      I know what you mean, I have to drink a couple of alcoholic drinks a year for the same reason. I think fizzy lemonade with a few drops of angostura bitters just about fills the bill and as a bonus, I can now be taxed and harangued for my wilful behaviour by the anti-fizzy drink people too.

  4. Smoking Lamp says:

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals” — C. S. Lewis, God in the Dock

  5. Rose says:

    OT Worth watching, I saw it happen live yesterday.
    I’ve been watching BBC Parliament rather closely of late.

    Kate Hoey forces Bercow to admit EU law still OVERRULES British Parliament

    “John Bercow admitted EU law still “trumps” UK national law during a debate in the House of Commons on Monday. The comment came in response to Kate Hoey asking if EU law has the power to overrule Parliament.

    During a point of order, the Brexiteer MP questioned: “The position would be constitutionally, if this statutory instrument comes before us, changing the date which we have already in our legislation was not accepted by this House – does EU law overrule our Parliament?”

    The Speaker replied: “As a matter of general practice it is well established that EU law trumps UK national law, I am not saying anything controversial there”
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1105490/brexit-news-latest-deal-vote-commons-speaker-john-bercow-kate-hoey-mp-live-law-uk-eu

    They are voting on it in Parliament tomorrow, at the moment, in UK law Brexit Day is still the 29th.

  6. Dmitry Kosyrev says:

    George Godber as a new Stalin: that he is not, he is much worse. Stalin essentially has killed the revolution, just like Napoleon did, and we should be grateful to him for that, and incidentally we are – Stalin is very popular with the public.
    The killing was literate. If you look at all these Stalin’s purges, it becomes obvious that he simply murdered all these revolutionaries, keen on changing the world. He also dismantled Comintern in around 1943, and generally turned the USSR into just a country, instead of making it the center of “global change”.
    What I mean is, if Stalin ever saw Godber, he’d have him immediately shot. Stalin had a very good nose for all these people with global designs, and hated them.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Yes, of course. It was Trotsky who wanted a global revolution, not Stalin. And Stalin had Trotsky murdered (in Mexico or somewhere). But wasn’t Stalin for “Socialism In One Country”, and so was essentially socialist?

      “if Stalin ever saw Godber, he’d have him immediately shot.”

      Pity he never saw him.

      • Dmitry Kosyrev says:

        I wonder what would have happened if Stalin proclaimed himself a conservative (which he surprisingly was in many basic reflexes) and not a socilaist? Madhouse would have been the best option for him. He was a very careful survivor, you know.
        In fact, there is an interesting idea here. What happens when EVERYONE knows that communism is dead (as it was in around 1970-s in the USSR, and I was there to watch it)? Then everyone waits for a big blast, when somebody finally proclaims something obvious, but still unspeakable. Of course, I think about the demise of smoking bans… Exactly how will it happen? With a big bang, or people just start smoking everywhere, and that’s it?

  7. slugbop007 says:

    A better name for their ‘plain packaging’ should be taxpayer subsidised graffitii.

    slugbop007

  8. beobrigitte says:

    They’re All Bastards In Tobacco Control
    They sure do their best to prove that! Perhaps the bigger cities had their fill of anti-smokers as they appear to home in on smaller places – and their hospitals – yet again.
    http://fuelinjectedmoose.blogspot.com
    That did remind me of spending quite a few hours in a Boston hospital last year. Not as a patient, just as a birthing partner. I did go for smoke breaks. On the lawn next to the main road and car park. I did get quite a few thumbs up from passers by, so I hope I have managed to leave a little piece of disobedience.
    This obviously was a joyous occasion.
    Another occasion in 1972 wasn’t. I made an excuse and left the room to have a think with a cigarette as the big decision was looming. It wasn’t far and my mum could have caught me but I knew she wasn’t going to leave my dad’s bed side. I went back, became practical and just nodded to my mum. Then we all were chased out as there was another emergency patient was brought in. As it happened, we didn’t have to make the decision. Whilst everyone was working on the emergency patient, my dad died. The emergency patient didn’t survive, either.
    I can assure everyone that, if I am put in that position again and have to go half a mile for a cigarette, being moaned at by anti-smokers, there will be violence.

    Hat tip to Walt for this:

    The debate over tobacco control in Europe is expected to heat up next week, as public health and human rights activists are organising a series of events in Bucharest with the aim to advocate the fight against tobacco as a fundamental right.
    Fundamental right???? The tobacco user generations are still happily alive. So much that the baby-boomer pension age has been raised to 67 with the argument that we’re living longer NOW. This requires an explanation.
    Human rights activists? I have questions for them!!! Loads!!!!

    Andriukaitis, who will participate in the conferences, said the right to health was fundamental.
    Another pissed off Greek anti-smoker who ignores the growing poverty and growing number of homeless people (amongst them chiiiildren) in his own country all for the sake of tobacco control?

    Another bizarre piece of thinking from the same piece:

    Andriukaitis said tobacco was an “accidental product” in Europe as no one on the continent smoked before Columbus brought it here. He said nicotine was a completely different issue compared to alcohol, whose consumption indeed needs to be controlled, but alcohol has had 10,000 years of culture in the continent.
    This guy does not give the impression of being very bright. Why would he want to reject anything less than 10,000 years in our culture? Apart from that, alcohol can bring out the worst in people. Nicotine does not do that.
    Actually, anti-smoking activists remind me of the year 1977. The RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion), their actions and their demise. It all happened around the time my brother died (road traffic accident) and at the time of Andreas Baader’s funeral the required catholic black mourning clothing wasn’t good clothing to pick. (I didn’t want it, either….) For driving a distance of 5 km I looked down a barrel of a machine gun 5 times, presenting the paperwork with my brother’s name on it equally as many times, as the police (naturally) was nervous about Andreas Baader’s funeral.
    Question is, WHAT is tobacco control going to do with us, the resilient ones, who just don’t die? Shoot us?

  9. Smoking Lamp says:

    In another incremental step towns total prohibition, the Los Angels County Board of Supervisors just enacted an extreme outdoor smoking ban enacting new restrictions on smoking at beach parking lots, bus stops, outdoor bars and some common areas of county-owned golf courses in unincorporated areas. The report at the Los Angeles Times “L.A. County expands smoking ban to vaping and smoking pot” https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-smoking-ban-beaches-vape-cannabis-20190326-story.html describes the draconian ban. Any comments are welcome. A court challenge to this madness would be nice.

    • Mark Jarratt, Canberra, Australia says:

      That blatantly biased LA Times article is more evidence of the successful global brainwashing campaign waged by prohibitionist tobacco controllers for decades. You will obey. What utter selfish bullies, offering no evidence because none exists that smoking or water vaping in the OPEN AIR is any kind of hazard, except to cemsors of reality. The terminology ‘public health advocates’ is always ANTZ code for prohibitionist paternalists who tell you how to live, whether you like it or not. Apologies my enthusiasm in arguing against the brainwashed did not extend to creating an account to comment in this instance, Smoking Lamp you champion. 🎯

  10. slugbop007 says:

    In L.A. County it’s Nazi Germany all over again. I was born there and I am appalled and disgusted. La La Land has gone GaGa. Soon they’ll be putting up signs along the freeways and street corners telling motorists to butt out. I wonder how they will be able to enforce these new laws? What a joke.

    slugbop007

    • it’s Nazi Germany all over again and then some… The Nazi regime was indeed reponsible for the first-ever legislative attempt at targeting smokers based not only on the spurious LC to smoking link (which in itself was a first), but also on the ‘2nd hand smoke harm’ theory (pioneered by Fritz Lickint in the 1930s). Hence the public transport ban in 1941 in Germany. Now why in heaven or hell don’t smokers demand a run for their money and ask to see evidence of the positive result of 50 years of incremental stigmatization and taxation? There is none, yet, since they’re firm believers in the separation of State and Economy, they also believe that Big Evil Tobacco is the culprit, and the State is there to protect them, and so they choose to go along with the flow.

      Given the lack of resistance from active smokers, makes you wonder whether most of them don’t suffer the same level of cognitive impairment that anti-smokers proudly display.

      • RdM says:

        Now why in heaven or hell don’t smokers demand a run for their money and ask to see evidence of the positive result of 50 years of incremental stigmatization and taxation?

        This is a reasonable question and what I want to pursue in my local scene. As I can.

        It’s a big beginning.

      • Mark Jarratt, Canberra, Australia says:

        Well said, and many thanks to Smoking Lamp, Slugbop, Some French bloke and of course Frank, the inspired host of this always interesting and thought provoking site. 50 years of incremental stigmatization and taxation is a ringing rhythmic phrase. I shall use similar wording in my next probably futile (but someone has to do it, Troops!) missive to the Black Hole known as the Kafkaesque Tobacco Control machine. I contend most smokers do not fight back because they I mean WE have at least in part been cowed and oppressed into shamed secrecy. Hide your socially unacceptable conduct, as entitled precious petals lack enough resilience to even see a smoker, so reality must be obliterated, and legislation can change the climate. Sheeple, depriving a village of an idiot. This is Orwellian Victory Brand tyranny of the pure majority, they cast boulders at us daily…screwing down until the next explosion of liberty, like Spartacus. 🗜 ⚔

  11. Charles Burns says:

    It is not proven, by the scientific method, that smoking is injurious to health. The world has been brainwashed to think so, and even to fear second hand smoke. So the “right to health” is dishonest regarding smoking, a red herring even. That smoking is the leading cause of preventable death is a LIE. So how can we educate the brainwashed masses?

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