The Serfs of Dundee Council

Simon Clark reported a few days ago that employees of Dundee council have, as of 1 November 2018, been forbidden from smoking or vaping during working hours,

Council bans smoking AND vaping during working hours

Ultimately, an employee, who does not comply with (the policy) will be subject to disciplinary proceedings.

Q: Does this policy mean that I cannot smoke at all while I am at work?
A: Yes.

Q: Can I smoke when I am working out of doors and not affecting anyone else with my smoke?
A: No.

Q: If my duties require me to go from one office or location to another, can I smoke on the way, i.e. in the open air in the street?
A: No.

Q: Can I leave the workplace during a tea-break to have a smoke?
A: No.

Q: I travel from location to location and don’t wear anything to identify me as a council employee, am I allowed to smoke when I am outside?
A: No.

He commented:

My message to vaping advocates is this: be careful what you wish for. When you remain silent (as most of you invariably do) and do nothing to oppose the extension of anti-smoking policies, you actively invite similar policies on vaping.

Dick Puddlecote was rather more trenchant:

Dundee Council, you are utter morons and abusive employers. In an ideal world your entire executive would be fired on the spot for harassment of your employees and barred from public office for a lifetime.

Both Simon Clark and Dick Puddlecote focused particularly on the fact that vaping had been banned as well as smoking. Junican pointed this out:

But we should not merely complain about ecigs. Their staff rules about smoking are just as iniquitous. It is tempting to think that the employer can make any rules that he wants, but that just is not so. For example, he cannot force employees to work for eight hours non-stop and eat and drink nothing during that time and have no breaks. He cannot dictate what they should eat or drink, with the exception of alcohol, if a ban on alcohol is justifiable.

However, the employer just has made any rules that he wants: This is what has in fact happened.

And what it really means is that the employees of Dundee council have just been reduced to serfdom. They have, with this single edict, been made serfs.

And it’s not just the smokers who have been reduced to serfdom. Nor is it just the vapers either. Every single employee of Dundee council has become a serf. For if they can be instructed not to smoke, then they can also be instructed not to drink, or drink, or speak, or absolutely anything else their tyrannical employer may demand.

This is very serious. This is way beyond a mere smoking ban. This is the exercise of complete and absolute control over people.

And of course that has always been the aim of Tobacco Control. They don’t just want to control tobacco: they want to control people, and they want to control them completely. And that’s why smoking bans are gradually metastasizing into drinking bans and eating bans and innumerable other bans and restrictions, as they gradually impose fetters upon everyone.

And if the employees of Dundee council can be made into serfs, then it won’t be long before the employees of Aberdeen council and of Inverness council and of Glasgow council and of Edinburgh council will be made serfs too.

It’s not just that every single employee of Dundee council should be outraged. Every single free citizen of Dundee should be outraged as well. For most likely nearly all Dundee council employees are citizens of Dundee, and so it is upon the people of Dundee that this serfdom is being imposed.

And not just Dundee: All Scotland should be outraged.

And if the council does not withdraw these tyrannical regulations, it would be better for Dundee if the council were burned to the ground, and replaced by a body which actually served the citizens of Dundee, rather than made serfs of them.

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12 Responses to The Serfs of Dundee Council

  1. beobrigitte says:

    Council bans smoking AND vaping during working hours

    Ultimately, an employee, who does not comply with (the policy) will be subject to disciplinary proceedings.
    This would require more detail of the legal aspects and of how Dundee council will enforce this ban. Looks like yet another half-baked anti-smoker plan.

    Q: Does this policy mean that I cannot smoke at all while I am at work?
    A: Yes.

    While I’m working or while I’m at my work place?

    Q: Can I smoke when I am working out of doors and not affecting anyone else with my smoke?
    A: No.

    It is NOT illegal to smoke outdoors, therefore this question is irrelevant.

    Q: If my duties require me to go from one office or location to another, can I smoke on the way, i.e. in the open air in the street?
    A: No.
    Am I insured to go from one office or location to another by Dundee council? In any case, it is MY business if I chose to smoke a cigarette when travelling from one office or location to another.

    Q: Can I leave the workplace during a tea-break to have a smoke?
    A: No.

    Why not? My breaks are my own and if I choose to go for a cigarette it is my business.

    Dundee City Council said its revised smoking policy would encourage staff to quit and reduce the number of adult “role models” seen with cigarettes in public.
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/workers-face-cigarette-break-ban-under-anti-smoking-plan-1-4823343
    Role models for smoking? *Awesome*.

    Unfortunately our anti-smoking “friends” still believe this utter nonsense of ‘if-smokers-are-hidden-away-no-one-will-start-smoking’. Oh well, even the bible has a story about forbidden fruit being irresistible….

  2. beobrigitte says:

    http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/polls/should-workers-be-banned-from-smoking-on-breaks/#poll-428
    Poll question:
    Should workers be banned from smoking on their breaks?
    175 people (Sadly N = 175) voted of which:
    96% (168 people) voted: NO
    4% (7 people) voted: YES

    (Sorry, Frank, I botched up in my comment above. The last paragraph is not in italic)

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  4. smokingscot says:

    I cannot say with absolute certainty, however I strongly suspect the people who collect the garbage and change light bulbs and fix big messy things won’t give a sparrows fart about these diktats.

    They have very strong union representation and it takes ages to fill any vacancy.

    The timing’s all to pot, far better to try this in spring.

    However when it does inevitably come to court, this business of “role model” just will not hack it.

  5. wobbler2012 says:

    This is really really bad, and all the morons that support it will be laughing on the other side of their faces when these tyrants come for something that they enjoy.

    Some peoploe are just too bloody stupid to see where this is heading.

  6. garyk30 says:

    A step on the road to ‘serfdom’.
    Very dangerous.

  7. Smoking Lamp says:

    The anti-tobacco extremists must be stopped. This has nothing to do about health–it never did as the data about smoking risk has been manipulated (and/or contrived) to support their biases. The zealots themselves claim its about setting an example and allowing “non-smokers’ to be ‘role models’. Welcome to the ‘cultural revolution’ redux! The totalitarians being these bans and the persecution of smokers are interested in power and profit. And, as we increasingly see they aren’t satisfied with persecuting only smokers. Vapers, persons that enjoy soft drinks, sugar, and who knows what next are subject to their bullying and hectoring to force compliance. The goal a compliant cohort of consumers that are essentially serfs and thralls. Citizens sharing power and individual choice get in the way of their totalitarian goals. Tobacco control must be destroyed!

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  9. Rose says:

    Council to make nearly £16m of cuts after Scottish Budget
    5 January 2018
    https://stv.tv/news/north/1405652-dundee-council-warns-it-will-have-to-make-16m-of-cuts/

    Making preposterous demands of the workforce so some leave voluntarily would be one way of saving money without having to pay for the redundancies.

  10. Joe L. says:

    Tobacco Control has succeeded in garnering public support for banning smoking in indoor and outdoor public areas upon the pretexts of “protecting public health.” However, the Dundee City Council employee smoking ban is as transparent as it gets: smoking bans have absolutely nothing to do with health and everything to do with social engineering.

    The light at the end of this dystopian tunnel shines brighter when brazenly discriminatory bans like this are enacted. Nonsmokers who may have previously approved of comprehensive indoor smoking bans because they believed the SHS myths begin to question the motives of these puritanical control freaks when they egregiously show their true colors like this. While this ban is unfortunate for employees of Dundee Council in the short term, it will undoubtedly create more skeptics of the Antismoking movement. Tobacco Control is slowly eating itself alive.

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