One Way To Count Las Vegas Gunmen

Continuing with Las Vegas, there is – in principle at least – one way to determine whether there were multiple gunmen involved.

It is that much of the shooting consists of prolonged bursts of gunfire. And each of these bursts – consisting, say, of 20 or 30 individual shots – will have its own signature, which may just be simply the number of shots in the burst. These bursts of gunfire, emanating from some particular location, will be recorded on webcams or mobile phones at different times, depending how far the microphones were from the gun position. So if there were two gunmen, firing bursts of gunfire from two widely separate locations, which are being recorded by two microphones, the bursts would overlap in different ways at each microphone. So in the example below, at mic A shot 180 from gun A would overlap with shot 20 from gun B, but something different would happen at mic B.

If there were 3 microphones, the 3D locations of all the gunmen could be precisely determined. If there was a lone gunman, firing multiple guns (Rambo-style), the sequence of gunshots would sound the same at all microphones.  Here’s a recorded gunfire audio image from Las Vegas, with the microphone in the crowd in front of the stage:

There are easily at least 3 audio recordings of the event. There might even be 20 or 30. Analysis of these audio recordings would then extract the signature bursts from them, and determine the relative distance. There would be other sounds that would need to be extracted: echoes, music, shouts, etc.

Many of these audio recordings are available on YouTube. Sometimes they come handily bundled together. It’s a matter of patient mathematical analysis to extract the individual bursts, and search for the same signature bursts in other recordings.

Has anyone done this yet? And how long would it take? Infowars Alex Jones said late last week that audio was being analysed by experts, and he expected the results on 10 Oct (today). But he didn’t say whether they were doing the sort of analysis I’m suggesting, which would probably take weeks or even months.

In fact I expect that this sort of analysis is routinely carried out on battlefields, to locate the positions of guns. They can probably even do it in real time. And can maybe even direct counterbatteries to fire at precise locations even as the sound of gunfire is fading away.

The answer lies in the audio recordings, and nowhere else. They’ll either show one lone shooter or several. And they’ll pinpoint exactly where they all were. And anyone can perform the necessary analysis. I won’t be in the least surprised if, over the next few months, there emerges an entire new genre of “Las Vegas audio analyses” (Is this the first?).

Turning to bullets of another sort, at 5:42 UT (GMT) of 12 October 2017, 13 metre wide asteroid 2012 TC4 is due to make a close approach of 50,000 km to the Earth. Here’s my YouTube video again showing the view from the asteroid towards the Earth as it passes:

The Slooh telescope community intends to watch it go by:

At the moment of the asteroid’s approach, Slooh will train its telescopes on 2012 TC4 in an attempt to capture the fast-moving space rock as it flies between Earth and the Moon. We will have commentary from our asteroid experts and explore the threat they pose to our planet.

(Asteroid experts, in my opinion, actually do pose a threat to our planet. They believe that asteroids arrive randomly from all directions: I believe they come in bursts from a particular direction, just like machine gun fire)

As can be seen from my video, they’ll need to use telescopes in the southern hemisphere, because 2012 TC4 is passing below the terrestrial South Pole. If I can find out which one, I might be able to produce a new video showing the view from there of 2012 TC4 as it passes through the constellations in the night sky.

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13 Responses to One Way To Count Las Vegas Gunmen

  1. Frank Davis says:

    The first of the “Las Vegas audio analyses”?

    Brilliant video by Mike Adams, director of CWC Labs, who did his own analysis of the acoustics recordings to show that there are 2 shooters, one about 450 m away, the other about 250 m away.

    His analysis is different from my proposal, and entails measuring the time difference between high frequency bullet impact sounds and the subsequent low frequency rifle report sounds, and using the difference to gauge the distance of the shooter. He did it all last Sunday afternoon in a few hours.

    He also suggested a way of using the same methodology, using multiple recordings in multiple known locations to find the exact 3D position of the shooters.
    .

    He’s also offering to help Law Enforcement and the FBI!

    • Barry Homan says:

      Health Ranger?

      • wobbler2012 says:

        Yes the “health ranger” come “ballistics expert” come pretty much anything that will increase hits to his Natural News website. The thing is Frank I’ve been listening to Alex Jones pretty much for the last 15 years and whereas I agree with him on many things (especially 9/11) this guy now labels almost everything that happens anywhere in the world a conspiracy theory.

        I still like Alex and do still listen to him from time-to-time but you need to sort the wheat from the chaff. Remember AJ needs exposure to sell his products and drive traffic to GCN and he’s very much from the “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” and he’s right there too but because of that you have to take quite a bit of what he says with a pinch of salt.

        • wobbler2012 says:

          Drive listeners to GCN, not traffic, but you see what I mean.

        • Frank Davis says:

          If Mike Adams is doing the math like he says he is, then it doesn’t matter what he calls himself.

          And I didn’t find Mike Adams on Alex Jones’ Infowars. I found him on YouTube.

          And furthermore I don’t believe Alex Jones on 9/11, Sandy Hook, and any number of other things. I take most things he says with a very big pinch of salt. But he has an interesting show.

  2. garyk30 says:

    You can not tri-angulate echos off of nearby buildings.

    • Frank Davis says:

      In Mike Adams video above, he said he had removed echoes from the audio. Not sure how he’d do that, but maybe echoes have their own frequency signature, and arrive even later than rifle reports.

      • nisakiman says:

        Well if he’s got it right with his calculations, I wonder if we’ll ever hear about it? There’s a distinct possibility he’ll get a visit from men in suits and dark glasses with an offer he can’t refuse…

    • Joe L. says:

      No, but as long as the position of the recording device doesn’t change, neither should the intervals between the shots and the echos. If the intervals between the “echos” are variable, then they’re most likely not echos.

  3. Frank Davis says:

    Paul Craig Roberts agrees with me about Mike Adams’ video:

    Forensic Acoustic Analysis Points to Existence of a Second Shooter:

    This analysis seems to make sense. If it has been done correctly, it is evidence of a second Las Vegas shooter. It is evidence not only of two sets of gunshots but of bullets hitting the ground from two different distances. So unless the bullets were being fired into the ground only, it seems people will have been hit.

    But in the same post, and in an earlier post, he cites doubts by surgeons about whether the 500 hospital patients who had been hit by bullets really were injured. Why hadn’t some of them died? Someone who’d been hit in the leg wouldn’t be able to stand up to meet Donald Trump.

    So it seems that there are quite a few people who believe that the whole event was played out by “crisis actors” pretending to have been shot. Some are even saying that Paddock’s brother was a crisis actor.

    This is what Infowars Steve Pieczenik has been saying from the outset: there was no shooting, and nobody was killed. It now seems that he’s very far from alone.

    It’s all getting murkier and murkier.

    • Joe L. says:

      I still think there is something very strange about Eric Paddock. Whether he’s a crisis actor or he’s involved in some other way or he’s simply an attention-seeking narcissist, I don’t know; but something isn’t right.

      Also, why do we have two long-form interviews with Eric Paddock, yet not a word from Stephen Paddock’s two other brothers?

    • waltc says:

      Impossible to have a conspiracy with that many people, in this case, Including hospital staff, cops, and up to 22,000 people many of whom testify to applying tourniquets to bloody victims. That’s just way nuts. (Are the dead really alive and now living under assumed names in the Tora-Bora? Or did they never exist to start with?) And further, oh ye wise-eyed, what would be the purpose of such an elaborate hoax? And who would have perp’ed it?

      There may be something more to this than meets the eye (and ear) but surely that ain’t it.

      The bulletin tonite is that the fuel tank (only) was hit with incendiary bullets.

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