72 Minutes

Yet another mass killing, this time in Las Vegas, with 58+ dead. But this one is a bit puzzling. They’re almost always carried out by Muslims shouting “Allahu Akhbar!” But not this time, it appears.

It’s being reported to have been the work of a lone, rich, white, 64-year-old grandfather, whose family said he had little interest in guns or politics. He’d checked into the Mandalay Bay Hotel on 28 September, and then seemingly waited for four days before letting fly around 10 pm local time 1 October on the crowd below with the 19 guns he’d brought with him.

It doesn’t make sense.

Why, if he was a lone gunman, were there reports of multiple shooters? Why were two windows shot out in the Mandalay Bay Hotel?

Why did it take police 72 minutes to locate the shooter? And why was his location only identified by a smoke alarm?

Why was someone trying to warn concert-goers that they were all going to die?

Las Vegas shooting: ‘YOU’RE ALL GOING TO DIE’ – SHOCK WARNING 45 minutes before attack

One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were “all going to die” after pushing her way to the front of the venue.

Here’s my alternative suggestion for what might have happened: Stephen Paddock didn’t do it. He was abducted by a gang of heavily armed extremists from ISIS or Antifa or wherever, and held captive by them in his suite overlooking the concert area. They then fired off everything they had into the crowd below, and made their escape, leaving  behind the dead Stephen Paddock surrounded by the weapons they’d brought with them. Which is how police found him, when they finally arrived an hour later. In addition, somebody who’d somehow learned of the plot had tried to warn concert-goers 45 minutes before the shooting started.

I think that’s a far more plausible story. It fits the pieces of the jigsaw together in a different way. But for it to hold up, there has to have been little or no security either in the Mandalay Bay Hotel or at the concert venue. But since it took 72 minutes to locate the shooter, there does indeed seem to have been little security present.

And with respect to gun control: if a few people in the crowd had been armed, wouldn’t they have been able to fight back, instead of just being fish in a barrel?

In the other political upheaval going on in Europe.

The EU has broken its silence on the violent suppression of Catalonia’s independence referendum, with the Commission backing Madrid and the Vice-president of the European Parliament branding the vote a “nationalistic coup against Europe”.

“Today we have witnessed a nationalistic propaganda act, undemocratic; a coup attempt against Spanish democracy, and so a coup against Europe,” tweeted Ramón Luis Valcárcel, a member of the European People’s Party — which also include Angela Merkel’s CDU party.

Valcárcel’s comments are in line with those of the Spanish government, which held that the referendum “runs counter to the goals and ideals of the European Union”.

From this we learn that the crumbling European political “project” is more important than the people imprisoned in it. I imagine that Luis Valcárcel thinks that Brexit was also “a coup against Europe,” and equally illegitimate because of it. “The goals and ideals of the European Union” count much more than the goals and ideals of ordinary people.

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41 Responses to 72 Minutes

  1. Jack Ketch says:

    I caught the reaction of his brother on the news last night, seems to me your theory fits better than most…although I have to wonder if the shooter was on a certain medication to help quit smoking.

    • jaxthefirst says:

      Hmm. That would fit the bill, wouldn’t it? It might even be one of the facts which is “allowed” to escape censorship – being as Tobacco Control has been at such pains to deny the much-reported, unpredictable side-effects of said medication, and so wouldn’t believe there could be a connection. So that little snippet might escape. One to watch out for.

  2. Frank – last night I lay in bed and mulled over the shooting. I came to the very same conclusion as you. I doubt we will EVER get the real story. Having someone to blame is imperative!

  3. JonT says:

    It’s all very strange. I’m a Brit but I don’t deny the American citizens right to armed defense. But any concealed pistol would be useless as a response – he was several hundred yards away I believe.
    Jon T

    • waltc says:

      Right. In fact even if someone had had an UZI and been a marksman, he wouldn’t have known where to shoot back TO.

  4. Vlad says:

    That’s one of the things that amazes me about US….you can go and legally buy enough weapons and ammo to defeat Rambo. Yet, if you open up a bar or a restaurant, you can’t smoke in it!!! WTF!!

    • waltc says:

      I wonder if the guy was in no-smoking room

      • Vlad says:

        Yes he was.

        Rooms and suites are non-smoking (except for certain designated suites on the 61st floor). If there is evidence of smoking of any substance in your accommodation, you will incur a minimum deep cleaning fee of $500 for standard rooms (deluxe kings and queens, bays, elites and executives) and $1,000 for all other accommodations/suites charged to your hotel account.

        Please note that e-cigs, vapors, hookahs, marijuana etc. fall under our non-smoking policy. Cleaning fees will be applied to smoking in areas that are non-smoking. We do have designated smoking areas throughout the casino, bars, and other areas. Contact a resort employee for location information regarding designated smoking areas.

        https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/faq.html

  5. roobeedoo2 says:

    Jane Ellison who pushed through plain packaging into law in April 2015 and was ousted as a MP in June 2017, lands a cushy number with the WHO as their Deputy Director General for Corporate Operations.

    • nisakiman says:

      From the link:

      “The team represents 14 countries, including all WHO regions, and is more than 60% women, reflecting my deep-held belief that we need top talent, gender equity and a geographically diverse set of perspectives to fulfil our mission to keep the world safe,” (My bold)

      It looks like she’s been parachuted in more because she’s female than for any intellectual qualifications, then. Not that I think women are any less capable than men, but that statement smacks of tokenism.

      Whatever, we can expect yet more rabid anti-smoking rhetoric from the WHO, since it would seem that one of the prerequisites for a job there is to be pathologically anti-smoking.

  6. garyk30 says:

    Sad events; but, a greater tragedy is happening elsewhere.
    Every day, about 110 deaths occur and 4.6 million serious injuries occur on the USA highways.

    Autos cause about 20 times more bloodshed and carnage than do guns.

    There is a much greater need for highway safety control and stricter regulations.

  7. chris says:

    Actually, mass killings in the US are most often committed by non-Muslim white men.

  8. Primavera says:

    Your article really makes a person analyze the shooting more carefully.

    Forgot about the woman warning people in the crowd. I wonder if she was a lover and been in the hotel room him earlier. Or was she an accomplice who had fled his room on some pretense or other or was she a mkultra victim who had a malfunction a glitch in her programming and realized that she should warn people. Glitches or breakdowns are known to happen with some of the mkultra participants where they appear to run around doing and saying odds things that no one believes.

  9. Primavera says:

    You have a great blog. Please consider taking of the restriction/waiting for moderation and let the comments flow freely. I bet you would get more comments, there I also bet you would be enough ‘inner sane’ people to squash trolls if any should appear.

  10. wobbler2012 says:

    It is fantasy Infowars type of thinking but if you listen you will only hear one sequence of shooting at a time, including long pauses to reload/start firing a different weapon.

  11. waltc says:

    Well, we’ll eventually learn what happened or we won’t or we won’t believe what we’re told snd years from now will still be debating shots from grassy knoll. My initial (within an hour) far-out fantasy/ thought was along your lines but w/o the dramatic kidnapping. Years ago there was a movie (forget the title but I think with Warren Beatty) where a guy was elaborately set up to be the patsy for an assassination. The Vegas job here required exquisite advance planning and coordination–knowing the date and time of the concert, scoping out the right room with the right ballistic angles, amassing the 30 some guns (found between the hotel room and the house from which the “girlfriend” was conveniently absent) and turning the semi-automatics to automatic, all of which, not btw, took a lot of money. Easy enough to think this was not a one-man job, which, otoh, doesn’t mean it wasn’t.

    • RdM says:

      You might be thinking of “Shooter” (2007) with Mark Wahlberg?

      • waltc says:

        Knowing it was older than that, I did a quick google and think I may (just may) have been thinking of The Parallax View from the 70’s.

        • RdM says:

          OK – looking that up, it fits with Warren Beatty.
          I’m not sure if I’ve seen it;- possibly not. 1974.
          But then, I sometimes find reading a book that I start to realize I have read it before, and don’t mind, and also have often gained further further insights on a film seen twice.
          Or, more than once. So thanks for the tip.

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  13. Jack Ketch says:

    “The goals and ideals of the European Union” count much more than the goals and ideals of ordinary people.

    That is kinda the whole point of the EU because the goals and ideals of ordinary people have a nasty habit ending up in armed conflict, persecution and genocide . In some ways it is a shame the mainland UK was last occupied by a foreign army in 17-whatever. If like the Benelux and France we’d been occupied by the Nazis we might now be better ‘Europeans’ and less , as a nation, up our own arsehole.

    • Mick Walker says:

      Jack, that’s quite a tortured line of thinking!
      I take it you’re not a fan of Brexit?
      We won.
      Sorry. :-)

    • Frank Davis says:

      That is kinda the whole point of the EU because the goals and ideals of ordinary people have a nasty habit ending up in armed conflict, persecution and genocide .

      That sounds a lot like saying that ordinary people need to be kept on a tight leash by government, lest they engage in armed conflict, persecution, and genocide.

      I think it’s the other way round, and government needs to be kept on a tight leash by ordinary people, lest they engage in armed conflict, persecution, and genocide.

  14. Joe L. says:

    I can’t help but think there’s something strange about the suspected shooter’s brother.

    I understand that people can and do have weird reactions to shocking and traumatic news, but this Eric Paddock doesn’t behave remotely like I would expect someone to behave shortly after finding out that 1.) His brother is dead and 2.) His brother is accused of single-handedly committing the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

    He doesn’t seem very distraught. In fact, instead of simply answering questions from reporters, he almost appears to enjoy the spotlight as he rambles on and on, telling strange stories and anecdotes about his brother, including such enlightening and important information as, “He did stuff and ate burritos.” WTF? He also likes to talk about himself and his own life, even though it is completely irrelevant.

    Here’s a poor recording of his interview from yesterday, just a few hours after he received the news:

    And here’s an interview with Paddock from today. This one’s especially strange because after claiming he can’t believe his brother could be responsible for such a heinous crime, he goes on a semi-angry rant about why people shouldn’t have a hard time believing his brother acted alone because he was always strong-willed, successful and independent. Absolutely bizarre.

    • I don’t see anything strange about these videos. The first was made ‘in shock’ and the second – like all of us – he’s trying to make sense of it. I really have warmed to him. Poor fellow.

  15. garyk30 says:

    wonder how many of the hurt folks were not hurt by shooter; but, by panicked people running around?

    • You know another question has occurred to me, Frank. It took 72 minutes for the police to get the shooter. Before they broke in, whilst on the 31st floor on the police recording, an officer says he ‘can hear’ gunshots above him. But the Taxi driver clip you watched on my blog, must have recorded all the shooting over 5 minutes or so (5.39 to be exact). So by the time the police got to floor 31, what shots was he hearing? It was over by then!

      The taxi driver was all alone in her car when she heard the first shots. Who is she going to speak to? But later, she speaks to someone outside the car.

      Poor thing – alone in a scary situation.

      I think the difference in loudness might be explained by the shooter moving rooms but I don’t think so – at 1.07 there is another loud burst – two in fact, The second is followed by an ‘Eco’ for a much longer burst! So the echo theory I have heard to explain it doesn’t pan out.

      Or the changing rooms idea.

      Any thoughts welcome.

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