Things Are Starting To Happen Very, Very Fast

I think that things are going to start to happen very fast now. Very, very fast.

Nothing much has been happening for the past 10 years. It’s been a period of stasis, with a mounting overburden of laws ensuring that the stasis would become ever more static. And now everything has started to change.

Yesterday Donald Trump withdrew the USA from the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership), and said he would re-negotiate NAFTA. He also told the EU to forget its plans for a European army.

And that was just Monday. It’s Tuesday today, and there’ll probably be a new set of announcements later today. And more on Wednesday. And Thursday. And Friday. And next week. And the week after.

I wonder what he’s got planned for the UN? And the WHO? And for countless other supranational organisations?

Because as far as I can see what Trump is doing is to re-assert the primacy of the nation state. Not just in the USA, but also everywhere else in the world. His vision of the world seems to be one in which nation states make trade deals directly with other nation states, cutting out the middlemen in the EU and UN and all the other bloated bureaucratic supranational organisations. Britain’s Theresa May is flying into Washington any day now to talk about a US-UK trade deal which could be agreed within 90 days, without reference to the EU. 90 days? The EU couldn’t even manage to rustle up a cup of coffee in 90 days, never mind conclude a trade deal.

The stasis of the past 10 years (perhaps more like the past 25 or 30 years) has been one in which huge governmental and non-governmental and supranational organisations have grown up, with ordinary people completely buried under them at the bottom. Here in the UK we’ve got local governments, regional governments, the original British government in Westminster, and the EU European government in Brussels, and we were looking set to even have a new Global government added on top, like a cherry on the top of the vast layer cake of government. Each layer of government produces its own downpour of stifling rules and regulations, like layers of ash, one atop the other. Living in Europe these days is like living in Pompeii after 79 AD: entombed. They’ll dig us all up one day. They’ll find an English pub, with the all the pub-goers inside, pints of beer in hand, and cigarettes on their lips, caught frozen in a moment of laughter as the ASH cloud swept over them, and sealed them forever, instantly mummified. Archaeologists may even be able to find out what was playing on the juke box, and who was winning the game of pool, on whose table the cue ball had just left the tip of  the cueist’s carbonised cue as he stretched his overweight body across it, right leg cocked in the air.

Donald Trump seems to have started a revolution that looks set to become as big an event as the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution. And he’s doing it entirely democratically, not a shot fired. And he’s starting to tear up US bureaucracy. I was reading a couple of days ago about his plans to dismantle the EPA. And then it’ll be the UN and the EU.

If he does a trade deal with the UK, without any reference to the EU, then the EU becomes an irrelevance. And if the UK does its own trade deal with the USA, then every state in Europe will want a similar deal. And if they can do such deals with the USA, they can also do them with the UK, and with each other – without any reference to the EU. The EU will simply be lots and lots of bureaucrats and politicians who happen to live in Brussels, and who no longer have anything to do. All the nation states of Europe will re-emerge, re-vitalised. They’ll start tearing up EU laws, and have their own peoples make their own laws.

And Tobacco Control will be swept away in the process. Tobacco Control is really just another useless, restrictive supranational bureaucratic organisation, or global constellation of organisations. Tobacco Control and the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control are products of the World Health Organisation, which is part of the United Nations. If Donald Trump brings the UN to heel, then he’ll bring down the WHO, and with it Tobacco Control. There’ll be no more Moscow junkets for Margaret Chan and Deborah Arnott, because they will all have been de-funded, and become powerless and irrelevant.

And it may all happen very, very fast. Europe may well look like a different place in less than a year. And here and there, as the dead hand of bureaucracy is lifted, and the mantle of ASH dusted away, a few smoking bans may start being lifted, because the bureaucracies that enforced them have simply ceased to exist.

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50 Responses to Things Are Starting To Happen Very, Very Fast

    • prog says:

      I saw the above on Sunday, when it was hilarious.

      Ok, I know the snowflakes will still be in bed, but perhaps this of more interest…

    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      It’s over even the radicals are accepting what and why it happened! They got spanked by the adults and are leRning respect for authority instead of being a spoiled rotten brat with authority as they see how they screwed the world up

  1. nisakiman says:

    The biggest problem, even if all those organisations are swept away, is that the laws have already been passed. Politicians are easy to persuade to wave a new restriction through, but it will be the devil’s own job to try to get those laws rescinded now they’re in place. Minor amendments is the best we could hope for, I would imagine.

    • Lisboeta says:

      I share your pessimism.

      • beobrigitte says:

        I lean slightly more towards Frank’s view. Back in 2010 Nick Clegg as deputy prime minister had asked the population which laws should be amended.
        Here his response:

        Now, WHERE has Nick Clegg (and the Lib Dems) gone?

        And with the smoking legislation, any moves to repeal any of the laws will result in all the ‘health’ organisations and their armies of useful idiots squealing like stuck pigs about how government wants to kill ‘our’ chiildren, and condemn half the adult population to excruciatingly painful and drawn out deaths. Which of course will put an impossible strain on ‘our’ NHS.
        Strain on ‘our’ NHS is a brilliant subject. Do let the anti-smokers bring up this subject.
        Isn’t the NHS ALREADY strained by a steadily aging population? NHS managers (rather large in their numbers) call them “bed-blockers*” as they yo-yo in and out of hospitals with their AGE-RELATED illnesses and can’t be discharged without receiving “adequate care” at their places of residency.
        The anti-smokers promise the population “to live longer”, although no-one appears to be responsible for them to have a dignified old age. Question is: WHERE do the “bed-blockers” come from, then? They should have long ago died from active/passive smoking.

        No Frank, I really think that unless some irrefutable evidence makes its way into the public consciousness (unlikely, given the attitude of the MSM) about the lies and exaggerations endemic in the Tobacco Control narrative, it’s going to be a very hard sell.
        The generation following the one mentioned* above has been dictated to work until the age of 65+, after all, WE DO LIVE LONGER NOWADAYS. The public sees old people in the street. As the older individuals we can do something which costs nothing: ASK youngsters how they think we got happily to our age.
        Looking for scientific evidence will be costly as all tobacco control&friends funded “research” needs to be burned and everything needs to be started again INDEPENDENTLY funded. This will take a lot of time.

        The anti-smoking propaganda becomes more and more lunatic. Apparently now smoking alters your DNA, so that if a non-smoker passes you on the street while you’re smoking, not only will it mutate them, but cause them to have deformed children. People believe this. Smokers even believe this.
        Tobacco control will continue to go wild in the media until the population also asks for transparency to lobby groups’ (DeASH appears to have a close link to the media!) influences on what is ‘News’.

        Any population in any state is far more powerful than they think. And currently there are a lot of states with a lot of disgruntled residents.

    • Frank Davis says:

      You make it sound like it’s easy for laws to be enacted, and hard for them to be repealed. Surely it’s the other way round? Making a new laws entails lawyers poring over all the different clauses in it, choosing the right terminology, etc, etc. Repealing it just entails people agreeing that they don’t want it to be the law any more. It’s the same with anything else. It takes months to build something like an apartment or office building, and just a few sticks of dynamite to bring it down inside 10 seconds.

      I seem to remember talk about a Great Repeal Bill a few months back.

      • nisakiman says:

        What, like the ‘bonfire of the quangos’?

        Soundbites to garner a few votes, but rarely acted upon when it comes to the crunch.

        And with the smoking legislation, any moves to repeal any of the laws will result in all the ‘health’ organisations and their armies of useful idiots squealing like stuck pigs about how government wants to kill ‘our’ chiildren, and condemn half the adult population to excruciatingly painful and drawn out deaths. Which of course will put an impossible strain on ‘our’ NHS.

        No Frank, I really think that unless some irrefutable evidence makes its way into the public consciousness (unlikely, given the attitude of the MSM) about the lies and exaggerations endemic in the Tobacco Control narrative, it’s going to be a very hard sell. You only have to look at the sort of comments you see under articles suggesting that the dangers of smoking may be exaggerated to see that the pols aren’t going to be too keen to repeal any smoking laws. Whatever their personal take on it, they will view it as potentially political suicide. TC propaganda has been too comprehensive, and is now burned into the psyche of the vast majority, including most smokers.

        • Frank Davis says:

          Well, we’ll see.

          What I began contemplating today was what would happen if Trump succeeds in dismantling much of the US nanny state, and encouraged European states to break away from the EU nanny state. Because I think the EU and UN and WHO and Tobacco Control are going to find their backs against the wall facing Trump. They’ll be fighting for their survival against a rising tide of populism/nationalism.

          As I see it, the political landscape has been transformed in the last 6 months, and everything is now in flux in ways we haven’t seen in our lifetimes. And what would have been “political suicide” a few years ago may no longer be. All the rules are changing.

          But we’ll see. I won’t be too surprised if I’m completely wrong.

        • Rhys says:

          Sadly I have to agree with Nisakaman. The anti-smoking propaganda becomes more and more lunatic. Apparently now smoking alters your DNA, so that if a non-smoker passes you on the street while you’re smoking, not only will it mutate them, but cause them to have deformed children. People believe this. Smokers even believe this.

          It’s illegal to smoke on your own balcony where I live. Not at my place, fortunately, but that may come, too. In rental flats and condos, it will get you thrown out, regardless of age, as its common knowledge that the smoke can and will travel next door or across the street to kill innocents.

          It’s a miracle any of us survived the sixties ;)

          Trying to inject any sense into these arguments will only get you shouted down. Besides, we’re in a new age. ‘If it offends me, it should be banned!’

          Trying to repeal those laws? It’d be political suicide.

      • Vlad says:

        I share nisakiman’s view. People have been thoroughly brainwashed for a long time…just one person such as Trump to reverse this trend? Doubtful. My guess is that TC will self-implode because it has been getting more and more parasitic. Coupled with people losing faith in ‘Public health’ (when everything from drinking coke to eating meat is ‘as bad as smoking’ how long till you lose all credibility?) and Big Pharma, the future might be very interesting.

        • waltc says:

          Yes, I agree with the Dark View too. However, if at all –and i stress the “if at all”–it might be reversed incrementally, which is how it started. So start with park/beach bans where it’s easy to prove No Harm To Innocents, then, as in the bill proposed in New Hampshire (that for now will likely get defeated) slowly re-introduce indoor “choice”– a few smokers and non-phobics only bars. Maybe when the phobics see that that won’t affect them at all, they can be eased into the concept of live and let live.

          In a column somewhere recently, a writer suggested that the right might do well to start applying some of the principles laid down in Rules for Radicals. Aside from the fact that the right now ARE the radicals –going against the Mainstream Media mainstream– some of the rules he quoted sounded pretty solid. Almost made me want to read the damn book

        • beobrigitte says:

          I share nisakiman’s view. People have been thoroughly brainwashed for a long time…just one person such as Trump to reverse this trend? Doubtful.
          Highly likely. It always takes one: THE FIRST. We cannot deny that these days there are a lot of disgruntled people – and whatever their disagreement is, they are open for exposing the brainwashing of any population.
          Brexit – the least of the Brexit voters’ concern are the smokers. And there will have been a lot of them, too, voting for Brexit. There are too many idiotic laws that divide the population.

      • Barry Homan says:

        I’ve been watching some videos about campus gender-pronoun garbage. We’ve all seen the ridiculous levels the left has sunken to – and not just rumours, no, it’s always been live, in-your-face demonstrations of people with those bizarre attitudes they’re possessed by, which they all deem as unalterable, sacred writ. All they can do now is continue on their course, and just make things worse with each passing day.

        I enjoy reading and respect nisakiman’s posts, but hey…I think we are gonna see the carpet pulled out from under these buffoons, and they’ll land smack, crack on their faces – probably very soon. Why? For the simple reason is that it’s all they really can do: keep trying to further their own cause, take it to the next ridiculous level. It’s all they’ve got left, it’s their own bed they’ve made, the curse they’ve brought upon themselves: they’re past the point where they no longer have any option but to keep striving down the same old path to their destruction. What else can they really do?

        Changes will happen.

    • Harleyrider1978 says:

      It doesn’t take much to undo a law a simple majority vote and then s trump Supreme Court should undo the rest instead of legislating from the bench

  2. garyk30 says:

    I doubt that the EPA will be done away with.
    Hopefully, it will be greatly down sized.

    Most people still insist on safe breathable air and safe drinkable water.

    Note, I do not say clean air and water.
    Clean is an opinion, safe is a measurable value.

    Clean is like saying there is ‘no risk free level of exposure’ to SHS.
    Safe is saying that the level of risk is so small as to be a non-issue.

  3. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Perfection frank as that’s just what’s going to happen. I just had a midnite run in with one of those occupy democrat radical socialists she at least woke accepting her fate that her world of regulation civil special rights world control was over!

  4. Roobeedoo2 says:

    There’s a vote here about raising the smoking age in British Columbia:

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3189541/b-c-s-health-minister-suggests-raising-legal-smoking-age-to-21/

    Sadly ‘No,18 means I’m an adult*’ are trailing ‘Yes, do as you’re told’ 132 votes to 393…

    *But winning in the comments, 3 – 1, Clicky*
    * Things an 18-year-old still can’t do legally
    Adopt a child*
    Supervise a learner driver*
    Drive a bus*
    Coming soon, smoke a cigarette

    * All require the person to be 21

    http://www.mumsnet.com/teenagers/legal-rights-at-18

    • beobrigitte says:

      Here I do have a question: is a person LEGALLY an adult at the age of 18 or not? Looks like we can safely raise adulthood to the age of 21 again

    • waltc says:

      Considering the new rage for “self-identification” why can’t a 19 year old say, “Yeah, sure, my birth certificate says I was born 19 years ago, but I self-identify as a 26 year old”?

    • Rhys says:

      At least we have a booming black market here in British Columbia…

      • beobrigitte says:

        So has Britain. At least that’s what I’m told. Haven’t needed it yet as I travel to a few EU countries and come back with tobacco as well as my frequent visitors knowing what the host likes to receive.

        • So has Britain
          Indeed we do…because putting up the price of a pouch of tobacco to something like 3 times what is just 25 miles away is soooo not going to encourage anyone to smuggle tobacco to these shores.
          It gets even worse because originally, when ‘open borders’ came in the 90s, there was a flourishing cottage industry smuggling in illicit but *genuine* tobacco goods. Years of nazi-esque enforcement of ‘get around EU law’ regulations by UK Customs to prevent private citizens going over to stock up has meant that most of the illicit tobacco in the UK is now ‘fake’ ie made by gangs, often Chinese, in someone’s garage. Some of it is really good and some of it is lethal. I’ve had ‘Silver Slut’ that floored me, there was enough nicotine (and god-knows-what-else) to put me on the floor from a single drag….and I pride myself on having been able to smoke 60 Roth-Händle a day back in the days when that meant something.

  5. C.F. Apollyon says:


    Gotta be rough to try and represent a shitload of people that did vote for you as well as a shitload of people who did not vote for you.
    /me shrugs

    What are we fighting for, and what are we fighting for, and…why are we fighting?
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/mckinney/2013/08/16/10-years-after-sons-death-mckinney-father-still-fighting-youth-steroid-use

    http://taylorhooton.org/

    http://taylorhooton.org/real-stories/

    Yep. We are on the path to extinction. Paving it our very own selves.

    Or…we just like…die…and our particular shit-storms and passions just kinda…fade.

    I dunno. I got no answers.

    But it does seem to me…that life, is for the living.
    /me shrugs

  6. TheBlockedDwarf says:

    Oh dear, today hasn’t been a very good one for Brexit. No, not the highest court in the land reaffirming the founding principle of English law, a principle that only took us being invaded 5 times, a reformation, 2 civil wars, a Glorious Revolution & various minor German aristocrats (or “Robber Barons” if one prefers) but the news that if Merkel loses this year’s election her replacement will be Martin Schultz & he is a True BelievEUr. …and a socialist.
    Brexit is going to have to have Rockwell grade hardness.
    oh and what Nik said.

    • prog says:

      Meanwhile, Labour could be in for a very painful spanking (fingers crossed).

      ‘According to the poll commissioned by Labour Leave, Ukip has a strong lead in the Labour stronghold with 35 per cent 10 points ahead of Labour.’
      …………………
      ‘Businessman John Mills, who has been a major donor for Labour and campaigned for Leave, said: “Labour is facing a difficult by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. The constituency voted to leave the European Union and the Labour Party campaigned to remain.

      “If Labour is to hold onto this seat and others in the Midlands and the North then it must respond to voters concerns over Brexit and immigration.”

      Brendan Chilton from Labour Leave added: “Stoke-on-Trent is the Brexit capital of the United Kingdom.

      “If Labour lose this by-election then up to 50 seats in the Midlands and the North could fall to our opponents. Labour will be relegated to minority party status.’

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/758428/Ukip-Paul-Nuttall-Stoke-Central-by-election

      • beobrigitte says:

        There is something that REALLY p*sses me off when watching the Paul Nuttal video. All of a sudden it gets interrupted because some girl wants to show her body on instagram…
        I had to go back and get to the part where I was when it interfered….

        My guess is that it is supposed to distract the guys from finishing the video.

        And, Labour needs to joins the Lib Dems in the land of no-where!

    • This is what happens when one posts from a not-so-smart smart phone. Just so my earlier comment makes any of sense:
      Oh dear, today hasn’t been a very good one for Brexit. No, not the highest court in the land reaffirming the founding principle of English law, a principle that only took us being invaded 5 times, a reformation, 2 civil wars, a Glorious Revolution & the monarchy of various minor German aristocrats (or “Robber Barons” if one prefers) to arrive at namely: no one, not the King nor the Prime Minister is above the law and no one’s will -not even 16 million ‘wills’ trumps the law. Rather the news that if Merkel loses this year’s election her replacement will be Martin Schulz & he is a True BelievEUr. …and a socialist.
      Brexit is going to have to have Rockwell grade hardness.
      oh and what Nisaki said.

  7. Joe L. says:

    OT: A new study published by Nature suggests that Nicotine can reverse the effects of schizophrenia. Looks like there are still some studies being done on the positive effects of nicotine, which is encouraging!

    Nicotine reverses hypofrontality in animal models of addiction and schizophrenia

    • beobrigitte says:

      That’s very interesting.
      I do not recall to encounter a lot of youngsters with any form of mental illness. And most certainly we were all in work. Nowadays you heard (and see) on the BBC a generalized howling about the lack of treatment facilities for mentally ill youngsters….

    • Interesting to note that article needed over a year to be ‘accepted’ by Nature….
      a physiological basis for the tendency of patients with schizophrenia to self-medicate by smoking

      Anyone who has ever visited an asylum anywhere can tell you that nearly ALL patients, no matter what their brand of cornflakes,smoke amounts even i find respectable.

  8. beobrigitte says:

    Living in Europe these days is like living in Pompeii after 79 AD: entombed. They’ll dig us all up one day. They’ll find an English pub, with the all the pub-goers inside, pints of beer in hand, and cigarettes on their lips, caught frozen in a moment of laughter as the ASH cloud swept over them, and sealed them forever, instantly mummified. Archaeologists may even be able to find out what was playing on the juke box, and who was winning the game of pool, on whose table the cue ball had just left the tip of the cueist’s carbonised cue as he stretched his overweight body across it, right leg cocked in the air.
    And there will be desperation to reconstruct EVERYTHING, even the pack of Benson&Hedges left at the side of the pool table. And the full ashtrays. But most of all the smiling faces of the never seen before number of mummified people in the pub.

    And Tobacco Control will be swept away in the process. Tobacco Control is really just another useless, restrictive supranational bureaucratic organisation, or global constellation of organisations. Tobacco Control and the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control are products of the World Health Organisation, which is part of the United Nations. If Donald Trump brings the UN to heel, then he’ll bring down the WHO, and with it Tobacco Control. There’ll be no more Moscow junkets for Margaret Chan and Deborah Arnott, because they will all have been de-funded, and become powerless and irrelevant.
    By then prisons will have introduced hard labour for these inmates.

    O/T Prisons.
    I did watch Werner Herzog’s death row profiles and interviews. He states that he respectfully disagrees with the practice of putting people to death and gives EVERYONE (victim’s relatives, guards and condemned) a voice. He does avoid the smoking issue, though. That was a huge minus in my view.
    One thing is striking: NONE of the condemned prisoners appear to be allowed a last cigarette.

    Next thing; a quick perusal showed that:
    1. there are increasing unrests amongst prisoners (not only in the US) in smoke-free prisons. Where do the guards go to have a cigarette?
    2. A pack of 18 cigarettes is said to be currently traded in US prisons for about $200. (Can’t find anything about the value in European prisons).

    Well done, tobacco control! A person incarcerated briefly for a misdemeanor is set to learn a lot there to re-visit the place.

    It cannot be a co-incidence that people get restless/disgruntled/angry in places/countries that have a smoking ban.
    (I do wonder what happens when someone has the guts to tell Putin what he fell for…..)

  9. waltc says:

    Today, Trump approved both the Keystone and Dakota pipelines, but on the caveat that the pipes be built in the US. He also signed a bill streamlining and speeding up the approval process for all new construction. I await the howls on the news tonite.

  10. jaxthefirst says:

    Coming late to the party tonight, but, just to add my two penn’orth, I’ve always said that the smoking ban, having “come in with a bang,” (who can forget the screaming headlines and the smugly jubilant MPs?) it would almost certainly “go out with a whimper.” I suspect that the legislation will stay in place, largely unchanged, as many on here have previously said, simply because MPs are only too aware of the howls of outrage that all those lobbyists would emit, and of all the dirty tricks and smears which would ensue for any MP brave enough to propose any amendment – still less a repeal – of that section of the Health Act. And, as we all know, our MPs, for all their bluff and bluster and “firm words,” are nothing short of cowards in reality who won’t want to risk their cosy careers and their cushy pensions by doing anything as risky as standing up for a principle.

    But what I think is much more likely to happen (indeed, I strongly suspect that with all this austerity it may already be happening – it’s just that no-one’s been told) is that the law will gradually be less and less enforced. Not so many years after the ban was imposed, all those snitch-lines were quietly done away with (because no-one used them – who’s going to grass up their own mates or their own local?), and I’m sure that there were one or two stories circulating that some local authorities had privately informed their EPOs that they weren’t to bother following up complaints about breaches of the smoking ban (because there were so few of them) and to concentrate on other things which were much more important and, crucially, much more “productive” in terms of fines or penalties. I think that many councils will quietly adopt the same policy over time, simply out of necessity, and smoking will gradually become more commonplace in pubs and bars because, although it will still be technically illegal, there’s nobody available to take action against it. Then, some years on, once everyone has got used to smoking in pubs again and everyone knows that it happens, there’ll be a little-reported proposal from some MP to do away with this “outdated” law – a bit like the dog-licensing law, which was repealed because so few people adhered to it, but nobody ever got prosecuted, which made a mockery of it – and it’ll be included as a minor, easily-overlooked clause in some Repeal Act. Virtually no normal people will even notice and, by then, all those State-funded lobbyists will have had their large grants withdrawn, so even they won’t be able to do much more than submit a couple of token “regretful” quotes in one or two local newspapers.

    • Normally I would agree with you Jax, but go out onto the street and ask any of the whimsical darlings, even those whimsical darlings with cigs in their hands, wandering about if ‘ does passive smoking cause cancer?’ and i will wager 90% will say ‘Yes of course, that’s fact’.
      A few weeks ago UKIP suggested amending the Smoking Verbot and the majority of comments everywhere seemed to be ‘they were right about Brexit but WRONG about smoking’. Simon told us a year or so ago that even among hardline Kippers there is a large and vocal anti-smoker brigade.
      Ask 99% of people if ‘nicotine causes cancer’. It doesn’t, it isn’t a carcinogen -a fact even the fASHites admit to….through gritted fangs.

      During the summer holidays i was at the park with Granddaughter2 (1 year & then some small change), she was on the swings. The place was pretty full of kiddywinkies….until I lit a cigarette (having checked there was no ‘NO SMOKING’ listed on the rules sign). I kid you not, Sheeples were snatching up their precious sheeplet snowflakes and heading for the hills! The looks i got and the ‘fake’ coughing sounds….
      Funnily enough not one of the Dads or Granddads felt brave enough to brave the haze of TOXIC chemicals surrounding me and tell me to put it out.
      I keep meaning to take a wander round to the play ground and see if the ‘rules’ have been updated. I’m sure people complained so the rules have almost certainly been rewritten , the only question is will it be phrased as a request or as a Verbot (ie pretending to be the law).

      • Rhys says:

        The thing that always strikes me? If cigarette smoke were a tenth part as lethal as it’s claimed to be, tobacco would already be banned. No question.

        People will believe anything.

      • Frank Davis says:

        ask any of the whimsical darlings, even those whimsical darlings with cigs in their hands, wandering about if ‘ does passive smoking cause cancer?’ and i will wager 90% will say ‘Yes of course, that’s fact’.

        Not round here in Herefordshire, I suspect, where young mums sit smoking in pub gardens in summer, while their oblivious offspring run amok around them. I don’t even think that many antismokers believe that nonsense either.

  11. mikef317 says:

    On getting a United States law passed, or an existing law modified or repealed.

    God help you! (Or maybe help the people who oppose your law.)

    Say you are a U. S. Senator – one out of 100. How do you get a policy enacted into law? ANY policy – ban widgets, or make everyone buy a widget or face a fine and/or jail time. Whichever.

    Write your proposed bill. You may get other Senators to “co-sponsor” this (i.e., these people agree with you; the more the better). Assume 20 Senators become co-sponsors.

    This means nothing. There is ONE – EXACTLY ONE – Senator that determines the fate of your bill – Mitch McConnell, Majority Leader of the Senate. If he likes it, it is put on the Senate’s agenda. If McConnell doesn’t like the bill, it is cast into the dustbin of history along with many other laws that are proposed but never put to debate or a vote.

    Good news! McConnell likes your bill.

    Bad news. Your bill now goes to “committee” (a “small” group of Senators). There are 20 committees and 68 subcommittees (Budget, Health & Education, whatever). Your bill will be reviewed by at least one of these. Many bills “die” in committee – they either don’t get voted on or get voted down.

    Good news! The committee likes your bill.

    Bad news! Your bill now goes before the full Senate.

    More bad news! At ANY point in the process, other Senators may make changes to your bill. Might the honorable Senator from Alaska slip in a provision to fund the “bridge to nowhere”? Why not? You need 51 or sometimes 60 votes to pass your bill, so don’t screw with the honorable Senator from Alaska if you want his vote. (There are also lobbyists trying to influence your bill.)

    Halleluiah! – your bill halfway resembles what you wanted and it passed the Senate.

    The House of Representatives must pass a similar bill. The Speaker of the House – ONE Member out 435 decides if your bill will be addressed by the House. If the answer is no, your bill is dead. But maybe the Speaker favors your law.

    The House takes up your bill, and WITH MODIFICATIONS, passes their version.

    Then select Members of the House and Senate have a conference to “reconcile” the differing versions. You won’t be invited to this, and again, changes may be made.

    The bill then goes to the President. Let’s assume he signs it so we don’t have to discuss vetoes and veto overrides.

    Finally, your bill is law.

    But….

    Federal bureaucrats must apply the law. Maybe they’ll be enthusiastic, or maybe they’ll drag their feet – anything is possible. This is a can of worms.

    Also, a law can be challenged in court. This can take years. Many unpleasant things can happen, including your law being declared unconstitutional.

    In addition to federal level issues, a state or city can enact their own laws that enhance, modify, or even oppose your law. (Sanctuary cities, anyone?) The White House smoking ban applies to federal buildings; most bans are at the state and city level. The same applies to taxes; there are federal, state, and city levies.

    I could go on, but simply put, the U. S. legal system is far from simple.

    • Frank Davis says:

      I doubt if it’s any more simple in the UK parliament. But at least in both legislatures you can propose a bill. In the EU parliament, you can’t even do that. All legislation originates in the Commission.

      • In the EU parliament, you can’t even do that. All legislation originates in the Commission.
        So what? That didn’t prevent the myriad of anti-miasma legislation originating and passing into law in the sovereign UK Parliament..

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