Shouting People Down

A couple of people have mentioned the new “plain packs”. Maybe these are an example?


And they have the nerve to call it “plain packaging”? That’s really just another lie in a very long litany of lies. They’ve swept the manufacturer off his own product, and vomited up their own bile onto the blank space remaining. They’ve defaced it. I’m astonished that it’s legal to do that. But the law always seems to be whatever Tobacco Control want it to be.

I haven’t seen one yet. But when I do, I’m going to mail it to my MP, and suggest that he shows them to a few Labour MPs and ask them, “Is this what you wanted? Is this what you were expecting when you voted for plain packaging?”

It doubt if it will bother me too much. I keep my tobacco in a nice little tin with a picture of a Mad Hatter on it. I barely notice the existing packs.

It reminded me of something else I saw today from Christopher Monckton:

Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama at Huntsville annoyed the climate-extremist establishment a couple of years ago by describing them as “climate Nazis.”

Recently several of these creatures wrote a supposedly “learned” paper in an obscure journal, saying that anyone who, like Roy and me, raises legitimate questions about the magnitude of Man’s influence on climate or the disproportionate cost of making largely non-existent global warming go away, must be suffering from a psychiatric disorder.

These climate Nazis said that those who dare to question the Party Line on the weather should be regarded as suffering from “identity-protective cognition” and “conspiracist ideation.” I was among those they named.

In Communist Russia, before its defeat at the hands of the triumvirate of liberty – Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II – opponents of the regime whom the dictators had not executed were instead flung into psychiatric institutions, on the ludicrous ground that any opposition to the Party Line constituted culpable insanity.

Only one opinion is allowed. Anything else is shouted down. And “plain packaging” is shouty packaging, shouting the Party Line. It’s the tobacco manufacturer who’s being shouted down. Or the climate sceptic. Or anyone who disagrees about anything.

It also reminded me of something I read on Rush Limbaugh yesterday.

CALLER: Earlier this summer we had a Left Coast blue state relative visit the family, and she seemed to have a personal mission to suppress our votes in the upcoming election. She encouraged us all to sit this one out, not to vote at all. She also told my 18-year-old daughter, who will be a first-time voter, that she was too young to understand the issues and that she should sit it out as well.

If you’re not going to vote for Hillary, then you shouldn’t vote at all.

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19 Responses to Shouting People Down

  1. Roobeedoo2 says:

    Ooh that’s a good idea, Frank. The MPs wanted the packs so badly, we should just send them to them. Empty ones, of course; it’s clear they don’t want the tobacco inside…

  2. “identity-protective cognition” eh? And are they aware of their own illness? Given the tendency of Warmers to accept any research in their general direction as valid while decrying anything otherwise as necessarily coming either from industry or from bloggers with “conspiracist ideation,” I think S.A.D.’s poster on ASDS could well be applied to the Warmers too! See:


  3. mandyv says:

    Because of the lies on the packs, I have opted out of organ donations. They cannot state my organs are filthy on the packs and ask for them if I die. I know different (the black lung lie) which you wrote about a while ago. They will not get the best of both worlds from me, I am too angry.

    • Fred Karno says:

      I opted out too, but because I hate the idea of my body parts enabling an Islamic Fundamentalist to commit atrocities. Also that, as a kafir, my need for my organs may be judged less worthy than the needs of the recipient, whether I’m terminal or not.

  4. Tony says:

    Shouting down is what they do. It’s what they’ve always done. And it’s pretty much all they can do. Nobody would take a blind bit of notice of them otherwise.

  5. Smoking Lamp says:

    Tobacco control still shouts down opposition, feigns public support, and suborns politicians yet the proposed California statewide beach and park smoking ban was just vetoed. Governor “Jerry Brown veto allows Californians to smoke at state parks and beaches.”

    Read more here:

  6. Rose says:

    Well at last TC has given us something tangible to work with that sums all the insult and oppression 20% of the public has had to suffer . You can complain all you like about adverts and laws and it won’t get through, these you can’t ignore, they are too big and too ugly and it’s all pure Tobacco Control, not a trace of the manufacturers left.
    The ugly face of Public Health laid bare.

    My MP is a delightful chap so I’m sure he won’t mind me asking if these were the type of images he was shown when he was being lobbied to vote for plain packaging. I’m sure they weren’t, he’s too decent a man not to have rejected them out of hand.

    We can make considerable use of these, but at the moment they will only be seen by customers, shop workers and binmen, let’s show Tobacco Control for what they really are.

  7. Rose says:

    It strikes me that the Department of Health is about to provide us, at our own expense, with millions of small leaflets to cut out and keep and give to whom we choose and we won’t get into trouble for sending noxious material through the post because they are all Government approved.

  8. Dr Evil says:

    I would always vote Republican.

  9. Timothy Goodacre says:

    For me the downside of so called plain packs is that my TOR Turkish will no longer be available because the small volumes sold make them unviable.

  10. Rose says:

    I am stunned

    Restaurants that serve big puddings to be named and shamed by Government

    “The times of decadent puddings you love to eat in full knowledge they are bad for you could soon be over.
    Restaurants, cafés and pubs have reportedly been ordered to make their food and drink healthier or face being named and shamed for contributing to the obesity crisis.
    Major chains including Pizza Express, Starbucks, McDonald’s and Gourmet Burger Kitchen, must cut sugar from their dishes or reduce the size of their cakes and pastries.

    “Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the initiative is part of the Government’s plan to reduce the nation’s waistline, according to The Times.

    He told a private meeting of more than 100 food companies that the performance of each individual food chain would be monitored and those that failed to take action would be named and shamed arguing that “going out is no longer a treat” and “doing nothing was no longer an option.”

    Is this micromanagement some kind of hangover from Cameron? I sincerely hope it’s nothing to do with Theresa May.

  11. Smoking Lamp says:

    Of course ‘plain packs’ are just more tobacco control bullying and propaganda. Despite their claims that they cut smoking rates, they actually have no impact on smoking rates. Indeed, the “Australian Government Manipulated Plain Packs Data” to justify their lies:

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  13. Jay says:

    I had a look at a ‘plain pack’ the other day and it’s going to be incredibly difficult to know what you’re buying.
    I had thought of getting a cig case with branding on it – then I read somewhere that apparently that’s going to be illegal as well!

  14. Frank Davis says:

    Hillary Clinton called for her supporters to stage interventions for their friends thinking about voting for Donald Trump on Friday during a rally in Coral Springs, Florida.

    “Really,” Clinton said. “Because remember, friends don’t let friends vote for Trump.”

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