Someone Intervened

H/T Dick Puddlecote for this from the BBC (my emphasis):

A move that could have seen obese patients refused surgery in an attempt to save money is to be reviewed after national NHS bosses intervened.

A proposed restriction by the NHS Vale of York Clinical Commissioning Group would have seen non-life threatening procedures delayed by a year for those with a body mass index exceeding 30.

The rule would also apply to smokers.

NHS England, which can intervene as the CCG is under special measures, said the group had agreed to rethink the move.

“…to deny them treatment that they need on the basis of their weight, without then offering them effective help to help them lose weight is rather like discriminating [against] a segment of the population on the basis of their colour or religious persuasion.”

Amazing: someone intervened.

Chris Snowdon:

Rationing healthcare on the basis of lifestyle was never part of the NHS’s plan in 1948. It it had been, there would have been even more resistance to the nationalisation of the industry than there was. But after years of wrongly scapegoating smokers and fat people for the NHS’s spiralling budget, it’s no surprise to find the service being turned from a free-at-the-point-of-need Ponzi scheme into a tool of outright coercion and punishment.

Of course the NHS was never intended to ration healthcare on the basis of lifestyle, and become a tool of coercion and punishment.

But I’m still amazed that someone actually intervened.

Someone said enough with your mean, bullying schemes.

Help me out here, and watch the short video in this Russian article, and tell me which direction you think the fireball in the sky was travelling.


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22 Responses to Someone Intervened

  1. This phrase concerns me: “without then offering them effective help to help them lose weight”

    Opens the door wide for, “No surgery unless you take these classes and follow their directions and SUCCEED in weight/smoking change.” :/

    Re video: I voted “away” almost purely on the basis of that small final faint trail. If the brightness increase was the result of the object swerving to move TOWARD you (which is what the brightness would make one’s mind think) then that trail shouldn’t have existed. Given that it DID exist in the form that it did, AND given that there’s no reason I can think of to explain a change in direction, I believe the brightness increase is purely due to the heat increase. The object may not have changed in distance at all, though there’s something else I’m feeling about it that I can’t quite pin down that makes me think it may have been at least slightly moving away.

    – MJM

  2. jaxthefirst says:

    Call me a cynic if you will, but I don’t believe that anyone in the NHS would have called a halt to this unfair decision because a light bulb had suddenly come on over their heads and they’d seen it for the pure bullying it actually is. I simply don’t think that that mindset exists within the NHS. They adore any opportunity to bully people into adhering to “their” prescribed lifestyles!

    I wonder instead whether the connection between giving up smoking and becoming obese suddenly – amazingly – occurred to someone in the NHS, and it might just have dawned on them that if all those smokers wanting elective surgery were “persuaded” to quit for six months, then the chances are that by the time they “qualified” for their surgery they’d then be barred because they were obese. Without exception, all of the people I know who have given up smoking put on a noticeably large amount of weight within a month of quitting, so after six months that extra weight would be quite significant, as it doesn’t seem to slow down or stop (indeed, pretty much all of the ex-smokers I know would now fall well within the “obese” or “morbidly obese” category).

    I could easily foresee a patient in that situation, desperate, by then, for their operation, taking the matter to court because doing one thing that the trust had insisted on had caused the other condition which was now preventing the surgery from taking place. And no-one in the NHS would want any attention drawn to the connection between giving up smoking and piling on the pounds – something which they have always been at pains to sweep quietly under the carpet and pretend doesn’t exist – would they?

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    We ain’t nobody but we intervene everywhere and we have caused TC plenty of headaches thru the years. They even did a study on us how commented disrupt the PSA! They hated it and remember how they created a wiki page to personally attack several of us! How I didn’t make it still makes me wonder!

    But to finally see a big guy hit back yea!

  4. waltc says:

    It’s only being “reviewed.” There must have been some heat put on but they may well wait till it cools and then reinstate it, or make some minor adjustment, maybe along the lines MJM suggests. Go to a quit class and, succeed or not, then we’ll only force you to wait six months instead of a year, The intervention itself might have come from MPs who might have been pressed by constituents, or from some still-ethical doctors or maybe it was just getting negative press. BTW, some of the press is blaming this on Brexit-induced austerity.

    • Rose says:

      “The intervention itself might have come from MPs who might have been pressed by constituents, or from some still-ethical doctors”

      Still ethical surgeons this April.

      April 2016 Royal College of Surgeons

      “Patients are being banned from having a new hip or knee fitted and a range of other procedures in more and more parts of England, according to evidence collected by the Royal College of Surgeons, which said such restrictions were wrong and left those affected in distress.

      “Blanket bans that deny or delay patients’ access to surgery are wrong. NHS surgical treatment should be based on clinical guidance and patients should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis,” said Clare Marx, the college’s president.

      Some patients with joint problems might need surgery in order to enable them to exercise and lose weight, Marx pointed out.”

      “Tim Wilton, president of the British Orthopaedic Association of specialist surgeons, said: “There is no clinical or value-for-money justification for refusing to fund hip or knee replacements based on BMI or smoker status.

      “Good outcomes can be achieved for patients regardless of whether they smoke or are obese, even at BMIs of over 50, and these surgeries are highly cost effective, typically delivering sustained pain relief for a cost that equates to just £7.50 a week.”

      There is no clinical or value-for-money justification for refusing to fund hip or knee replacements based on BMI or smoker status

      A popular myth that smokers dont heal well disposed of right there.

  5. waltc says:

    Ot: UK study shows how/ why isolation and loneliness cause death, especially among the 65 and up. Yet UK “health” policy forces both on (especially), elderly smokers. The guy who found the London community center helpful would not have been welcome there if he smoked, and forcing him to constantly ” step outside” would’ve made him feel even more isolated and lonely , in addition to feeling stigmatized. Why can’t the left hand see what the right is doing?®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

  6. prog says:

    The junior doctors have also been told to cancel a planned strike. I get the feeling that public support is fading and that the latest u-turn re smokers and the obese also has a lot to do with public opinion. Thing is, a delay/refusal of treatment not only impacts on the patient but also on family.

    OT. You couldn’t make up this shit….

    ‘Black Lives Matter protesters who have brought London City Airport to a standstill after reaching the site in a dinghy are apparently demonstrating over the UK’s ‘racist climate crisis’ because black people ‘are more likely to be exposed to air pollution”

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    March for Europe says it ‘is a diverse, inclusive movement’. It’s a pity then that they can’t extend that tolerance to those who voted for Brexit.

    Wasn’t the ‘March for Europe’ supposed to be about tolerance? | Coffee House

    ‘Get back to the 1930s, you f***ing fascists’ was one of the more printable insults screamed at the small group…

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Get back to the 1930s, you f***ing fascists’ was one of the more printable insults screamed at the small group…

  10. Ripper says:

    Regarding your poll question Frank, the answer is neither. You appear to have made the same mistake that Tobacco Control make in their polls, and given no third choice, in assuming that the apparition was a fireball, and that it was travelling.

    Personally, after viewing the video a dozen or so times, I make it out not to be a fireball but a reflection on the windscreen, coming from the oncoming vehicle.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    ‎Oscar Larsson‎ to ” Anti smoking exposed – Tobacco Control Out of Control” – Fighting Back

    10 hrs ·

    BMJ’s Tobacco Control Journal published my article.
    Take a look at the link below. Its the 2nd article on the first page.


    Daniel Hammond

    Daniel Hammond They only publish Nazi articles and this is a PDF

    Like · Reply · 4 mins


    Daniel Hammond

    Daniel Hammond Your a sick Nazi how did you get in this group!

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