UKIP Calls For Smoking In Pubs

H/T commenter Sheldon for this Express article:

‘Bring back the GREAT BRITISH PUB’ UKIP wants to reduce alcohol taxes and allow smoking

AFTER leading the successful campaign for Brexit, Ukip is embarking on another crusade – to bring back the Great British pub.

Describing the continuing slump of pubs in the country as an “economic and cultural disaster”, they have launched a bid to get people back to their local boozer by taking on laws stifling the trade.

They argue the industry could be saved if ‘sin taxes’ were reduced and indoor smoking licences handed to pubs meeting certain criteria.

Ukip MEP Bill Etheridge, a member of the Campaign for Real Ale, said: “It’s not called the ‘great British pub’ for nothing – but this obsession with pinching our pockets for never ending sin taxes has been an economic and cultural disaster for this country.

“People gather in pubs to be sociable, catch up with friends and set the world to rights over a pint.

“But now pubs that used to be full are sitting empty, costing thousands of jobs as the people who said they would flock to their local after the smoking ban have not materialised.”

The party wants to reduce alcohol taxation by 50 per cent and reintroduce smoking to certain pubs.

UKIP’s anti-smoking ban policies are the main reason why I vote for them. The EU is secondary.

And after Nigel Farage took a shot at Hillary Clinton while speaking at a Trump rally, Hillary Clinton surprisingly shot back at him. Breitbart:

United States presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has lashed out at UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage during a speech at a rally today. Mr. Farage has told Breitbart London her comments are “extraordinary” and suggested she spend more time speaking to working people in her country than attacking him.

Mrs. Clinton has ranted about the outgoing UKIP leader who appeared at a rally for her political rival for the presidency Donald Trump. Clinton slammed Trump for having Farage appear on stage to talk about the Brexit vote and even went as far as to suggest the former UKIP leader of being in bed with Russian president Vladimir Putin because he had appeared on Russian television broadcasts.

“Just yesterday, one of Britain’s most prominent right-wing leaders, a man named Nigel Farage, who stoked anti-immigrant sentiments to win the referendum to have Britain leave the European Union, campaigned with Donald Trump in Mississippi,” Clinton said.

“Farage has called for a ban on the children of legal immigrants from public schools and health services, has said women are quote “worth less” than men, and supports scrapping laws that prevent employers from discriminating based on race — that’s who Trump wants by his side.The godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism is Russian President Vladimir Putin. ”

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44 Responses to UKIP Calls For Smoking In Pubs

  1. I read the first 20 or so comments below the Express article and the Stoopidz , not just from the Anti-smokers, made my head huuUUUrt! “smoking killed my dad, my mum, my cat and next doors budgie’ type comments, although my personal favourite was the one who compared smoking to rape and murder.
    Now I remember why I stopped reading any Brit papers.

    • kin_free says:

      The problem with this however BD, is that while you may have stopped reading this crap (from the Stoopidz), anti-smoker indoctrinated brains still do and it re-affirms their learned propaganda, providing an an excuse to ignore or dismiss out of hand the reality that the article confers to the reader! Carl Sagan explains how this affects those indoctrinated brains;

      “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”.

      Don’t believe that those ‘Stoopidz’ are all fools either. Many of them are professional anti-smokers who know how psychological suggestion and repetition can control the unsuspecting brain as can “what is familiar is also true”; “loudest voice = majority opinion, etc. etc. Read this essay written by a public health expert (that links to other essays in the same vein) to understand these concepts;

      This explains, in simple terms, how to psychologically create the illusion of truth. It doesn’t take much to work out how the antis use this to promote the deception for their benefit.
      We should all familiarize ourselves as to how these psychological tricks work for the tobacco CONTROL industry, how to counter the repeated lies they spout AND learn how they can help the pro-choice community to educate the dumbed-down element of the public who still believe anti-smoker propaganda too.

      Stanton Glanz famously advised his cult followers that they should never debate about whether primary smoking caused cancer etc because to do so will provide some credibility to the claim that smoking is NOT the cause of ill health. I suggest we do just that. We should never let them repeat their crap without challenge and we should also be repeating pro choice arguments over and again to ensure those points are understood by the layman.

      • harleyrider1978 says:


        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep
        repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be
        maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from
        the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
        becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to
        repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus
        by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        kin I agree 1000% nail em high nail em low give them no rest in having to defend their claims and demands.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Kin Free
          logged in via Google
          In reply to Ari Fertig

          Oh dear!! all comments that criticize anti-smoker propaganda have been “removed by moderator.”!!!

          I hope the lawmakers in Ca. are not so stupid to think that they were all removed because of your ‘community standards’, but a means to stifle dissent and keep them in the dark about the REAL character of the average anti-smoker fanatic. (is this web page just a front for anti-smoker propaganda?)

          I read one or two of the comments before they were removed (on the orders of Mr Glanz himself ? ) From what I could see the comments were relevant but tended to show anti-smoker rhetoric up for what it is and there was no robust rebuttal forthcoming from the anti-smoker community.

          I could go on to expose the misinformation and absolute rubbish contained within this piece of ‘Academic rigour, journalistic flair’ myself, but I have no doubt that my comment will also be removed so I would be wasting my time. Suffice to point out that tobacco CONTROL has had its day and will soon be confined to history like the burning of witches at the stake, claims that masturbation makes you go blind and ‘lips that touch liquor will not touch mine’! Ordinary people AND much of the political community have woken up to the damage and injury that the anti-smoker agenda has caused.

          Shame that the great state of California, more-so than any other state/country has been degraded and humiliated by anti-smoker nutters – It will take many years for it to recover on the world stage.

          Kin the repeats that Nazi speaks of were simply putting back up the same the same post listing what Stanton said and then rebuttal. They just kept taking them down until they simply banned me. Yes no doubt Stanton was behind the removals and yes that site is a PR machine for the Nazis after you look at all their other stories and look at the list of their so called CONTRIBUTERS.All yop Nazis from every university around the globe you can dream of grom tobacco control to climate.

          This guy is one of their contributers too yet he couldn’t debate even one tobacco control claim. All he did was keep with the script denying or ignoring every point I made then it disappeared while his stayed.

          Robert Molyneux, Citizen

          7,893 
          Comments ..



          I am a scientist and Information technologist and have worked for many years in information technology in a range of roles from hands-on technologist through to business development, sales and marketing and management, as well as a stint as a secondary school teacher.

          I have worked for Australian, Japanese and British companies, and in heavy industry, mining and heavy haul railways, across Australia. Clients have included Commonwealth, State and Local government agencies.

          Over the last decade, I have been especially involved in “asset management” of “infrastructure” – roads, water and sewerage networks, stormwater drainage and water recycling. This has involved working with state and local governments, especially regarding computer systems for managing tens of thousands of components of pipe networks and water and sewerage treatment plants.

          I have a particular interest in the “tyranny of distance” in Regional and Rural Australia (RURA) where isolation and a lack of a “critical mass” of skilled technical resources make management and maintenance of valuable assets very difficult.

          And more or less by accident, I am interested in the care and survival of bees. Ask me about this.

          heres stantons story/bullshit

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        At least old Rollo gave some fight up,this puke wouldn’t even bat an eye as the shit hit him from every angle. He didn’t have a clue what was going on,just a piad hack no doubt with the usual one liners. I called him dumbazz over one statement he made your smokers cough. I said I don’t know anyone with a smokers cough but that’s usual for anti smoking folks who have no argument left.

        It was quickly removed,but because I put up how smoking and its chemical pathways prevent asthma and how lungs cleanse themselves.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Ari Fertig
          Editor, The Conversation

          A user named “Daniel Hammond” has repeatedly posted comments in violation of our community standards. We delete all comments that violate these standards. As a reminder you can find the link to them here:

          We reserve the right to remove comments that breach these standards and lock accounts of commenters who breach them repeatedly.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          As my email kept dinging I took the same posts they removed and put them back up again and again. That rat race went on for 24 hours. I was putting back up the same posts as what was already up even one Chris Snowden wrote about Glantz junk scientist with the full documentation proving his junk science.

          Im sure they didn’t like that one at all!

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          BTW they don’t really have any set standards, they just have censorship to any open debate.

      • Kin, I don’t think i could disagree with anything you’ve said. But-and it is only a personal ‘but’- I’m tired. Tired of the constant lies, tired of the brainwashed sheeples, tired of the third reich pseudo science , tired of the inwavering belief in Homoeopathy. I wish I could be like Harley ‘never back down, never give an inch’ Rider but I’m just a fairly inarticulate former criminal who wants just to enjoy his pipe/fags in peace. Maybe someday soon I will feel up to wading through the Stoopidz again but until then I can only pray that the LORD let grass grow for the sheeples is multiplying.

        You refer to the Anti-Smokers as cultists, and I can well understand why you should think that way but, having had a pretty expert knowledge of several cults, I can assure you that compared to the Anti-Smokers, your average Joho or Utah Boy is a beacon of Reason and Free thinking.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Yep their veterans equal to any yankee soldier under the law. The VA cannot call anything about it TREASONOUS.Their own VA law says their legal veterans and have full rights to the flag on those flagpoles.

      Civil War Vet’s Pension Still Remains on Government’s Payroll 151 ……/civil-war-vets-pension-still-remains-o...

      U.S. News & World Report

      Aug 8, 2016 – “One beneficiary from the Civil War [is] still alive and receiving benefits,” Randy Noller of the Department of Veterans Affairs confirms. … “VA has an obligation to take care of our nation’s veterans no matter how long. … spouse entitled to pension,” as there is not in Triplett’s case, “the Secretary shall pay to the …

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        what treason besides taking the oath of allegiance after the war confederate veterans got this.

        Additional Note by the Critical History: Under current U.S. Federal Code, Confederate Veterans are equivalent to Union Veterans.

        U.S. Code Title 38 – Veterans’ Benefits, Part II – General Benefits, Chapter 15 – Pension for Non-Service-Connected Disability or Death or for Service, Subchapter I – General, § 1501. Definitions: (3) The term “Civil War veteran” includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term “active military or naval service” includes active service in those forces.

        Researched by: Tim Renick, Combined Arms Library Staff, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Member: Brigadier General William Steele SCV Camp 1857.

  2. harleyrider1978 says:
    • harleyrider1978 says:

      OBAMA STATING we all have to give up our rights for his one world order because we are to stupid to handle our own affairs

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        The FCTC and its gag rules….shit that was nothing get ready for the UN reeducation camps

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Im buying more AMMO for my AR 15 this week like about 4000 more rounds. This shits getting serious.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”[1]


          military oath I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed …as lon as they do not go against the constitution………….thats the diference between a lawful order and an unlawful order.

          So we have all been faithfully following the oath of military service by fighting smoking bans and other assaults on us and our rights


          Maybe Im to much the original patriot. I think not, Obama is a domestic enemy. By his own admission

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    This amendment is used to protect the citizenry from any expansion of governmental power because of the limited nature of the Bill of Rights. Because every right of the people of the United States could not possibly be mentioned in the Constitution, the Ninth Amendment was added to supplement those already mentioned. The amendment protects many rights implied in a universal civil code, and those that are linked to other rights already declared. It protects these personal liberties from state and federal infringement.

  4. Smoking Lamp says:

    Repealing smoking bans should be a priority. In order to do so it is essential to break the FCTC gag order and antismoking censorship of dissenting opinions. The second hand smoke fraud that was used to justify bans has instilled fear in large segments of the public. Exposing antismoker fraud and propaganda is essential.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      SL that’s why weve been fighting daily for almost ten years. It appears politically the time is coming for repeals. The Nazis are going berserk with as much shit as they can stick to the wall as they can before it all comes crashing down. They don’t even care

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Of course with radicals they never stop,they always go until its oblivion.

      • Smoking Lamp says:

        I know, those here regularly do. My comment is meant to encourage those who stop by and read here to do so and reinforce those who already do. Much more is needed though since the media ignores balanced reportage and many believe the antismoker propaganda.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      SPECIAL REPORT: The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Neo-Prohibitionist Agenda
      April 10, 2003


      SPECIAL REPORT: The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Neo-Prohibitionist Agenda

      Seventy years ago this week, beer became legal in the United States (at least beer with less than 3.2 percent alcohol content). According to the Denver Post, “it was 1933 when President Franklin Roosevelt announced happily as he signed the bill authorizing repeal, ‘I think this would be a good time for a beer.'” One pub in Boulder, Colorado marked the anniversary of “the end of tyranny” by serving 33-cent pints.
      All that sounds jolly good, but the Philadelphia Daily News warns that “the anti-alcohol forces are out there,” and wonders: “Are we facing a return to Prohibition?”

      A new report from the Center for Consumer Freedom answers that question in the affirmative, and details how the new temperance movement has been conceived, coordinated, and funded by the $9 billion Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF). Follow the money, our report demonstrates, and you’ll find that nearly every study disparaging adult beverages in the mass media, every legislative push to limit alcohol marketing or increase taxes, and every supposedly “grassroots” anti-alcohol organization leads back to Princeton, New Jersey, where RWJF is headquartered.

      The most famous organization in the neo-prohibitionist cabal is Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). The group’s name has become a misnomer, as MADD no longer dedicates its energies to tackling the scourge of drunk driving. MADD now assails drinking of every kind. Its new slogan, “impairment begins with the first drink,” is carefully crafted to position alcohol as a drug which there is no way to moderately or reasonably consume.

      A television spot produced by MADD depicts heroin being boiled in a spoon and sucked into a syringe while the voice-over intones about the dangers of alcohol. The effect of such an advertisement — as MADD well knows — is to promote the image of alcohol as a destructive, addictive, and abnormal drug that American society should not abide. This report shows that MADD has received more than $3 million from the RWJF since 1996.

      The RWJF’s neo-prohibitionist agenda becomes as clear as day when it funds groups that link alcohol to illicit drugs like heroin. Shortly after one anti-alcohol organization produced an advertisement depicting a bottle of beer as if it were a syringe, the RWJF made one of its directors a “Developing Leadership in Reducing Substance Abuse” fellow, which carries a $75,000 cash award. The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), meanwhile, is pushing for alcohol’s inclusion in the federal government’s anti-drug media campaign. “Don’t forget beer, the king of drugs,” the group says. RWJF gave CSPI $750,000 for its anti-alcohol project in 2001 alone.

      RWJF hardly limits itself to linking alcohol with illegal drugs. Many of the neo-prohibitionist activist organizations and leaders that the Center for Consumer Freedom has reported on — and debunked — over the years are funded by RWJF. That includes:

      •The Rand Corporation, whose studies in support of roadblocks and limiting access to alcohol are funded by RWJF.

      •Columbia University’s National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA), whose many flawed studies we’ve merrily refuted. CASA has received more than $35 million from RWJF since 1991.

      •The Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth (CAMY), which exists for one purpose: to accuse the alcohol industry of “targeting” underage drinkers. RWJF established CAMY with a $5 million grant.

      •The Department of Education’s Higher Education Center for Alcohol and Other Drug Prevention (HEC), which argues for “changing people’s knowledge, attitudes, and behavioral intentions regarding alcohol use.” It also supports “reducing alcohol availability” and “reducing alcohol promotion and marketing.” HEC–an agency of the federal government–receives “supplemental funding” from RWJF.

      •Ralph Hingson, MADD’s Vice President of Public Policy, published a deeply flawed report claiming that alcohol causes 1,400 deaths among college students each year. Hingson received a $300,000 fellowship from RWJF.

      •Jim Gogek, an editorial writer for the San Diego Union-Tribune, who wrote an op-ed in The New York Times accusing the Governors of Maryland, New York and New Jersey of being bought and paid for by the alcohol industry because they oppose even higher “sin” taxes. Gogek is paid $25,000 a year by RWJF.

      •Richard Yoast, who wrote a report called “The Alcohol Industry: Partner or Foe?” that argues there are two kinds of people: those who abuse alcohol, and those who abstain. The former shouldn’t have access to it, the argument goes, and the latter won’t care if you take it away. Yoast heads the American Medical Association’s Office of Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse. RWJF has given nearly $6 million to Yoast’s office since 1995.
      Combine Yoast’s abstainer-or-abuser conviction with the surmise that relatively convenient and inexpensive alcohol leads inexorably to its abuse, and you have yourself a theory that justifies prohibition. Combine Yoast’s work with that of the Rand Corporation, Jim Gogek, CASA, the Education Department, CAMY, MADD, Hingson, and hundreds of others who gather at RWJF-funded conferences to plan their next moves, and you have a massive, neo-prohibitionist movement.

      RWJF’s family of anti-alcohol warriors can’t advocate prohibition directly, so it seeks instead to make alcohol prohibitively expensive through higher “sin” taxes, or prohibitively hard to come by through restrictions on where and when one may drink. The RWJF funded campaigns to ban alcohol from airports, parks, cultural events, sports stadiums, and even golf courses. It funds efforts to restrict the hours bars, restaurants, and liquor stores can stay open. And it has never met an alcohol tax it didn’t like. Taken together, these efforts have been called prohibition “drip by drip.”

      RWJF doesn’t aim directly for Prohibition with a capital “P.” Instead, it seeks to drive adult beverage consumption underground, away from mainstream culture and public places. Restraining the availability of alcohol — and linking it to illegal drugs — will marginalize drinking to such an extent that Prohibition will have been achieved by stealth.

      RWJF has put in place all the elements required for such sweeping change. From 1998 to 2002 it spent more than $265 million cultivating a vast network of anti-alcohol community organizations, centers for technical support, a compliant press, and a growing body of academic literature critical of even moderate alcohol consumption. The next highly publicized study or angry local movement may now reach the “tipping point” where the RWJF-funded anti-alcohol agenda snowballs into the kind of orchestrated frenzy that culminated in the 18th Amendment.

      • Speaking as a recovering alcoholic, I find this terribly distressing. Those of us who really can’t handle alcohol in any kind of sane manner are a VERY small minority — 10%, *perhaps* as much as 15% but no more than that. Which leaves 85%-90% of the population being persecuted by MYTHOLOGY — it was bad enough to persecute smokers with mythology, but even at smoking’s height, it probably never amounted to more than about 60% of the population.

        I’m really about sick to death of rights being abridged because of the fascist control-freak fantasies of RWJF — THAT is the thing that needs to die a fiery death, not the rights of ordinary citizens.

  5. Lepercolonist says:

    Poor Hillary, Nigel hit a nerve.

  6. Lecroix says:

    Reblogged this on Contra la ley "antitabaco" and commented:
    “Tras liderar la exitosa campaña por el Brexit, el UKIP se embarca en en otra cruzada – recuperar el Gran pub Británico.

    Describiendo el continuo declive de los pubs en el país como “un desastre económico y cultural”, han lanzado su apuesta por conseguir que la gente vuelva a su tasca local, mediante la lucha contra las leyes que están ahogando al gremio.

    Argumentan que la industria podría salvarse si se reducen los “sin tax” (literalmente, “impuestos pecado”, al tabaco y alcohol) y si se conceden licencias para fumar en el interior a pubs que cumplan ciertos criterios.

    Bill Etheridge, miembro del Parlamento Europeo por el UKIP, miembro de la Campaign for Real Ale, comentó: “No se le llama el ‘gran pub Británico’ porque sí – pero esta obsesión por pellizcarnos los bolsillos con interminables impuestos pecado ha sido un desastre económico y cultural para este país.”

    “La gente se reúne en los pubs para socializar, ponerse al día con los amigos y arreglar el mundo tomándo una pinta.”

    “Pero ahora los pubs que solían estar llenos permanecen vacíos, costando miles de empleos dado que la gente que dijo que acudiría en masa a su local tras la prohibición de fumar no se ha metarializado.”

    El partido quiere reducir los impuestos al alcohol un 50% y reintroducir el tabaco en ciertos pubs.”

    Joder, ¿por qué en España no tenemos gente asi?

    Su intención es reducir los impuestos al alcohol un 50%

  7. flaxensaxon says:

    What a great idea to introduce smoking in pubs, what an innovation. Gets my vote.

  8. Timothy Goodacre says:

    Pubs should be allowed to permit smoking at the landlords discretion. Anti smokers should go elsewhere not that many ever go to pubs anyway.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Not even at landlords discretion. Its at our discretion Now like it always was before.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Pubs should be allowed to permit smoking at the landlords discretion.
      I would wholeheartedly agree with that. You would never find me in a pub where the landlord bans smoking. And the smokerhaters could visit just them. Simple, but effective solution.

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Another reason to ban smoking, George said, is because of litter. Cigarette butts are made of cellulose acetate, a plastic, which can take up to an estimated 25 years to biodegrade, according to Beachapedia.

    • beobrigitte says:

      The litter is the anti-smokers’ fault. They removed the ashtrays. I make a point of leaving my cigarette butts on the floor when I am denied an ashtray.

      I could go a step further and ask everyone to collect 1 months worth of cigarette butts to dump overnight on our smokerhaters’ (i.e. Debbie fromDeASH’s) front door.

      I am a polite person and EXPECT to be treated with RESPECT. I always pay back. The good as well as the bad.

      • jaxthefirst says:

        It’s complete rubbish in any case. I’ve put cigarette butts into my compost bin and, lo and behold, after six months (the same time it takes almost anything else to rot down to usable compost) there’s no sign of any butts at all. As (I think) Legiron has pointed out in previous posts, cellulose is derived from plant material and is therefore completely biodegradable. Which makes sense really, when you think about it. If you consider how many cigarettes have been smoked in this country alone over the last 25 years, we’d be all be waist-deep in the darned things if the ones from 1991 were only just disappearing now!

        And in any case, I thought that the big problem with plastic was that it takes around 500 years to biodegrade, not a mere 25 …..

        • beobrigitte says:

          I’ve put cigarette butts into my compost bin

          I dug them into my garden. Planted potatoes there. My harvest so far feeds 5 families; the next lot I dig up goes into my Winter stash.
          The cigarette butts were either good fertilizer, or they simply were gone within the first 2 weeks in March.
          In short, they were long gone before I planted the potatoes.

  10. garyk30 says:

    UK cigs are probably similar.

    Cigarettes made in the USA are FDA approved.
    Just like the drugs in a drugstore.

    The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (also known as the FSPTC Act) was signed into law by President Barack Obama on June 22, 2009.

    This bill changed the scope of tobacco policy in the United States by giving the FDA the ability to regulate tobacco products, similar to how it has regulated food and pharmaceuticals since the passing of the Pure Food and Drug Act in 1906.

  11. beobrigitte says:

    …Nigel Farage, who stoked anti immigrant sentiments to win the referendum… (Hilary Clinton, please refer to video posted by Frank)

    I AM an immigrant and so is my offspring (purely because at their time of births in Germany the older generation was too high in proportion of young people). I must say loud and clearly that I am no less welcome than I was 30odd years ago. Hilary, I have no idea where you get that idea from. Oh, you just didn’t look at the to society’s rim exiled smokers…..

    I really am terribly, terribly, terribly unsure about Farage, but the fact that his party will give me my social life, thus being a VALUED MEMBER OF SOCIETY, back, is enough reason to vote for him every time.

    I am not sure if Trump will ease the tobacco control pressure in America. Since Farage spoke in his presence (Farage is openly a smoker and his policies on the subject can easily be found on the UKIP site) I have hope. And, yes, I am terribly, terribly, terribly unsure about Trump as well. But if he gives the American smokers their social life, thus being a VALUED MEMBER OF SOCIETY, back, I can only say, SMOKERS do vote!

  12. jameshigham says:

    Seems to be a two horse race now for UKIP. Wondering if Diane James has what it takes or whether the knives will be out for Etheridge.

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