Driven To Her Death By Tobacco Control

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46-year-old Shannon Vincel (above), of Springfield, Mo, died Tuesday at an Illinois hospital after being assaulted in the head with an object on Monday night.

On Monday, officers were called at 9:48 p.m. about a battery near 27th Street and Gabriel Avenue, near the Cancer Treatment Centers of America- Zion facility, according to a statement from Zion police.

The suspect had approached her on the sidewalk while she was sitting outside on a bench and struck her in the head with an unknown object, police said. She was taken to Condell Medical Center in Libertyville with life-threatening injuries.

Family members say she was pronounced brain-dead when she arrived at the hospital Monday.

Chicago Tribune

According to some patients, who did not want to be identified, the spot where Vincel was attacked is a popular area for patients.

I wonder why Shannon Vincel was sitting out on the street outside the Cancer Treatment Center at 10 pm at night? There was no explanation for it in any of the news reports I read, or any of the news video clips I watched. Nor any explanation for why this area was so ‘popular’ with patients.

Maybe they just liked to sit out there and watch cars drive past? Or look at interesting manhole covers? Or maybe sing and play banjos?

But one news video clip provided a powerful visual clue.

news_video

The reporter didn’t mention smoking. But she was standing outside the Center near the spot where Shannon Vincel was murdered (above), and right behind her was a big sign that said: “Entering a smoke free campus. NO SMOKING.” You’d have thought that she could have picked a less intrusive backdrop. It was almost like she and the cameraman had chosen it, and let it speak for itself, and say what she maybe couldn’t say.

And then the penny dropped. The ‘popular area’ was where patients went to smoke and chat. Maybe she didn’t even smoke, but had gone outside to be with a smoking friend. In a past vanished civilised age, they’d have both been indoors in a lounge or rest room. Shannon Vincel and all the other smokers were only there because they had been forced out onto the street by antismoking zealots.

Shannon Vincel was driven outside to her death by Tobacco Control.

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43 Responses to Driven To Her Death By Tobacco Control

  1. Smoking Lamp says:

    Forced outside and into the street because they don’t like the look or smell of smoke. There is no health risk from sec ion hand smoke so the only rationale is hate and spite.

  2. garyk30 says:

    May she Rest in Peace and may there be eternal damnation for those responsible for this tragedy.

    • Tonya says:

      Indeed, in her fight for cancer she recently re-dedicated her life to Christ. This is so horrible it gives me nightmares. She was the sweetest person I knew and oh so happy and friendly. It’s hard to understand. I hope the 25,000 reward makes someone come forward.
      Just heartbroken-

  3. Some French bloke says:

    Shannon Vincel was driven outside to her death by Tobacco Control.

    Evidently, and, as per usual, the despicable crowd of mendacious thugs that is TC will think that their hands are white as snow, and not in the least bit stained with the blood of the innocent, indirectly, and oh-so conveniently, shed as a result of the words and actions of the too gullible.
    By all accounts, including some MSM outlets, by curtailing tobacco use over the decades, the aforementioned crowd also has heavily contributed to the rise in neurodegenerative conditions, far more than ageing alone would have!
    And, in light of what happened in the alcohol prohibition years in America, the most urgent and vital question would have to be: “how likely is it that poisoned tobacco ‘science’ can lead to poisoned tobacco – period”?

  4. Very sad, and yet, absolutely true. It is pretty obvious why she was there, just beyond the sign proudly proclaiming a ‘smoke free campus’… Makes me angry as hell, to be honest. I hope this goes viral, and causes everyone to feel the same disgust at the price of social engineering.

    • And aside from her death, the real disgusting part of this is; the media will never report why she left the grounds, or why it was a popular spot with patients – because those dots would be sooooo easy for any moron to connect…

    • Tonya says:

      I truly believe it was gang related. An initiation death. It obviously is a pretty bad part of town. I just don’t understand why the person with her was just with her when it happened. Yet, the news states she was found unconscious & brain dead. It’s so confusing. She was indeed one of the nicest people and one of the closest friends I had. It’s heartbreaking and sad. She is loved and will be missed by many.

  5. jaxthefirst says:

    Of course, there’s always the possibility that this poor young lass wasn’t actually outside smoking, but there does seem to be little other reason why should would be where she was at just the wrong time. Unfortunately, one of the articles covering this story doesn’t have a comments facility and the second does, but when I tried to load them up to see if anyone else was thinking along these lines, the site crashed on me. But, on the assumption that she did leave the hospital premises for a cigarette, I think it’s significant that the media are deliberately avoiding mentioning it. I’m sure quite a lot of people on here remember the similar story of a nurse here in the UK who had had to the premises of the hospital where she worked for a cigarette and was similarly attacked and killed. At that time (very shortly after the imposition of the ban) the papers were almost gleefully pointing out that she was “having a cigarette” when she was attacked. But this time – nothing.

    My feeling is that this omission signifies one of two things (or possibly both) – either (a) the media are gradually realising that the public are starting to see the smoking ban for the unfair, unabashed bullying that it actually is and – if it’s now actually costing people their lives – they are keen (or under instructions) to avoid any kind of calls for safer smoking areas to be made available for smokers (i.e. they don’t want to draw attention to the connection); or (b) they don’t want to give any ammunition to the “nasties” out there from the anti-smoking community who would no doubt seize upon the fact that she might have been smoking to say “well, she asked for it, then, didn’t she?”

    Either of which reasons indicate that the media are (finally) getting wind of the true nature of the anti-smoking movement and the truly abhorrent people who comprise it, from the power-crazed big cheeses at the top to the slimy little drones at the bottom. And about time, too. Who knows? Next we might actually start hearing the media actively challenging the anti-smoking movement, rather than just passively refusing to give them any ammunition. Well, it’s a start ….

    • Frank Davis says:

      I think there’s another possibility, (c), which is that the media are simply not allowed to mention smoking. And the rationale for this is, very roughly, that smoking is something that shouldn’t happen. and so by not mentioning it they deny it is happening, and thereby prevent it from happening. It’s the sort of characteristic reversed logic of antismoking zealots. It’s the same reason why they stop anyone from being seen smoking on TV, because by excising it from the ‘reality’ of TV, they help to excise it from actual reality. The reverse logic is that TV drama/reporting does not reflect reality, but that reality reflects TV.

      The TV reporter standing at the scene knew she couldn’t mention smoking or cigarettes or tobacco. And so did the cameraman. It was probably perfectly obvious to both of them why Shannon Vincel had been out there. But they couldn’t state the obvious. But by shooting the report with the large No Smoking sign clearly visible behind her, they could allow the true reason to speak for itself.

      I imagine that the TV reporter has now been hauled in front of senior executives of the TV station and told that she must not only never mention smoking or tobacco or cigarettes, but she must not even allow No Smoking signs to intrude into any of her news reports.

      • Joe L. says:

        While I think possibility (c) is the most plausible mentioned so far, I propose another possible scenario:

        (d) The mainstream media is simply protecting their antismoking overlords. We know both the MSM and the Cancer Treatment Centers of America operate with funds from the elite antismokers. If the media were to publicize the fact that CTCA forced smokers out onto a sidewalk at night in an unsafe area, this would cause a two-pronged negative response. 1.) Anger at CTCA for blatantly disregarding the safety and well-being of its patients and employees and 2.) Potential renewed sympathy for smokers (God forbid). Both results would be chinks in the armor of the Antis, so it is simply not allowed to be mentioned. I agree that the reporter and/or cameraman knew they couldn’t mention this, so they felt compelled to frame the shot in such a way to visually fill in the blanks. I also believe they have been reprimanded for their subtle insubordination.

    • Rose says:

      Sunset in Chicago, IL, USA
      7:42 PM
      Saturday, August 20, 2016 (CDT)

      Smoker or not, if a friend is going outside to sit in the dark, you will naturally go with them.

  6. jaxthefirst says:

    PS: I think it’s also very significant that the “other patients” who said that they knew this young lady declined to give their names. On any visit to any hospital, how many of us have met people often enough to get to know them well enough to say how nice they were? Except, of course, if you met them regularly – and where on a hospital trip might that happen, I wonder? And, being the US, I strongly suspect that none of these “other patients” wanted to answer any questions as to how they might have come to know her so well …

  7. waltc says:

    Apparently the “guest quarters” she was in front of is merely “near” the hospital and –I looked it up to find an email contact– has a different address, and may or may not be part of the smoke-free campus itself but we know, without asking, has the same smoke-free rules. If anyone wants to put the guilt trip on them, you can comment on this form:

    https://www.cancercenter.com/contact/patients-caregivers/email-ctca/

  8. Tonya says:

    Most likely and sadly gang initiation or think about cancer patients have some powerful medications. I can’t imagine her not having her purse on her. There certainly more to the story and the lady with her knows something. It sounds like they are afraid to come forward. I know this young lady that was killed. She was a very good friend of mine. We just lived in different states. She did used to smoke but I don’t know that had anything to do with this. Even the thought of lung cancer families. It’s doubtful. It’s a bad area. I’ve heard multiple stories. She was sitting in a lawn chairs, she was sitting on a bench, she was standing on the sidewalk. She was hit in the head with an unidentified object, struck in the head, beaten repeatedly, hit with a steel pipe. If she was brain dead. How was she breathing but found unconscious and yet someone was with her when this occurred? It’s so sad…my heart is broken also for her other friends & family. It’s just horrible.

    • beobrigitte says:

      She did used to smoke but I don’t know that had anything to do with this.
      Perhaps the lady had given up smoking but decided to accompany a smoker as being alone outside the hospital gates in this area is not such a good idea?

      Even the thought of lung cancer families. It’s doubtful. It’s a bad area. I’ve heard multiple stories.
      The thought of lung cancer families? This is opening a can of worms for tobacco control; it does not know which way to turn when you mention micro-organisms…
      For the rest of the sentence please refer to my first answer.

      How was she breathing but found unconscious and yet someone was with her when this occurred?
      She was breathing simply because the part of the brain which controls the process is located at the back of the skull. It is interesting, though, that the person with her at the time did ?not help and has not given a full statement, starting with the reason for them to be outside the hospital this time of the evening.

      I’m not a friend of jumping to conclusions. However, a few questions do need to be answered.

  9. waltc says:

    OT –to cheer you up. I missed a few of the references, either because they’re British or they’re before (or after) my time but still this confirms that most of us here enjoyed a Better World and could update the old catchphrase to “Never trust anyone under thirty.”

    http://www.christopherfowler.co.uk/blog/2016/08/19/a-message-to-millennials/

    • Frank Davis says:

      “three TV channels”

      Eeeeh, lucky! When I were a lad we only had one TV channel, and it were black and white, and we could only watch it on my grandfather’s homemade TV, which was as big as a wardrobe and had a six-inch cathode ray tube with two bakelite knobs under it. And every few minutes the image used to start to rotate upwards, faster and faster, and my grandfather would have to reach into the back with a screwdriver to “adjust the vertical hold”, while trying to avoid touching the 25,000 volt contacts on the back of the tube.

      • nisakiman says:

        Heh! That reminds me that when we first got TV (pre-ITV) my father made his own aerial by mounting a stout piece of wood – a piece of branch from one of our trees – on the chimney, and another planted in the ground on the lawn, and ran a wire (co-axial, I guess) between the tops of the two sticks and then into the back of the TV. How it worked, I have no idea, but work it did.

        • Frank Davis says:

          Eeeeh, luxury! When I were a lad I used to have to stand on the roof holding a piece of wire for 2 or 3 hours in the freezing wind and rain, getting 25,000 volt shocks, while my mother and grandfather watched AJP Taylor on The Brain’s Trust downstairs!

        • Rose says:

          Frank, you just sounded uncannily like my husband.

      • Scott Ewing says:

        HA! Vertical hold. You just took me back. :)

    • Barry Homan says:

      I can’t resist, sorry:

      • Rose says:

        So Barry, my husband’s living in a cardboard box in the middle of the M62, is not entirely original? He is a Yorkshireman though.

        • nisakiman says:

          I expect Monty Python (or one of them) met your hubby in a pub, and decided to use his true story as the basis for a sketch, Rose. I’m sure his is the original, and entirely verifiable, story…

  10. Rose says:

    “Shannon Vincel, of Springfield, Mo., was hit in the head with an unidentified object as she sat on a folding chair with another person outside the hotel facility about a mile from the hospital about 9:30 p.m.”

    Further down the Tribune article is a picture of the two camping chairs outside the hedge round the building and close to the footpath.

    It does appear to be a very odd place to sit, clearly not an official seating area and there seems to be some small items on the ground beside one of the chairs so I think you may well be right.
    Unfortunately I can’t enlarge the picture to see what the items are.

  11. Frank Davis says:

    Here’s the Google Maps location of the Center.

    And here’s a composite image showing the murder location and the No Smoking sign at the entrance to the facility.

    There’s a sidewalk running right past the spot, a road, and playing fields opposite.

    • Rose says:

      That’s a much better picture, the spot they were sitting in is a lot less isolated from the Centre than I had thought.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Springfield Business Journal: Smoking Ban Taking a Toll

      Lauren Matter

      Anchor/Reporter

      8:59 p.m. CDT, October 2, 2011
      Four months into Springfield’s city wide smoking ban, some businesses are seeing a decline in revenue.

      The owner of one Springfield bar, Tailgaters Pub and Eatery on South Scenic Avenue, says they have been losing $1,000 a week since the ban went into effect and had no choice but to close the first weekend of October.

      Other pubs and restaurants are seeing a revenue decline as well.

      The numbers range from 25% to a 45% drop in the amount of money they’re bringing in now compared to before the ban.

      Owners say it’s difficult to manage cash flow and employment levels.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Bars busted for allowing illegal indoor smoking
        June 28, 2013|by Mike Landis, KY3

        SPRINGFIELD, Mo. – Several bars were ticketed for allowing patrons and employees to smoke indoors.

        Jeannie Doublin, owner of Ruthie’s Bar on Commercial Street, is still fuming about Springfield smoking ban.

        “I have done this for 30 years- I know how to run a bar. I run a good bar,” she exclaimed. “They don’t have any business getting in our business,” stated Doublin.

        But the Springfield- Greene County Health Department says the debate is over, and the law is now the law.

        “When we a complaint we take it very seriously,” stated Clay Goddard, Assistant Director of Health.

        The health department says somebody inside Ruthie’s Bar was smoking when they did an inspection.

        Jeannie got slapped with two tickets. But she wasn’t the only one.

        During a crackdown, 19 tickets were handed out to places like Frisco Tap Room, Last Call, Moonshiners, and Alibi Lounge.

        “We witnessed either employees or customers, or both, smoking- additionally there were ashtrays present,” stated Goddard. “It turns out there was a core group of businesses that decided they were going to violate the ordinance,” said Goddard.

        The health department said each place had been warned time and again, beforehand.

        “It is very clear to those managers and owners that the law is there is no smoking indoors at all. It is not tolerated,” Goddard explained.

        “I am not going to allow anyone to smoke in here. I am having trouble paying my bills now, let alone paying fines. And I don’t want to lose my business license, which they would take,” Doublin said

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          springfield is full of anti smoking Nazis even among its citizens so Franks claims are not to far fetched at all. They voted for a complete ban in Springfield not long ago. Also Springfield was wiped out by a tornado some years ago and much federal aid poured in from Obama. I have no doubt a lot of anti smoking money also made it in those recovery grants they received.

        • Joe L. says:

          While Ms. Vincel was a resident of Springfield, MO, this tragic event did not take place there. Rather, it occurred in Zion, IL, which is north of Chicago, near the Wisconsin border.

  12. Rose says:

    Quinn vetoes employment bill that targeted smokers
    2012

    “Gov. Pat Quinn has vetoed a bill that would have allowed the Cancer Treatment Centers of America to not hire any workers who smoke or use other types of tobacco.

    The legislation, passed by the Illinois House and Senate, would have created a waiver for for-profit companies that treat cancer patients. Cancer Treatment Centers of America, which has nearly 300 employees at its corporate headquarters in Schaumburg and about 1,000 at its Midwestern Regional Medical Center in Zion, is the only operator the rule would affect.”

    “Under state law, employers cannot discriminate on the basis of the use of lawful products, such as tobacco. Certain nonprofits, however, are exempt from the restriction so long as one of its primary objectives is to discourage the use of the product.”
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-24/business/chi-quinn-vetoes-employment-bill-that-targeted-smokers-20120824_1_cancer-treatment-centers-tobacco-products-vetoes

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

  14. beobrigitte says:

    This is so sad. Yet another person dead and tobacco control members padding each others’ backs.
    According to some patients, who did not want to be identified, the spot where Vincel was attacked is a popular area for patients.
    Going back ca. 25 years the most popular spot for patients was a day room (which contained tables with ashtrays) on the wards. I most certainly spent quite some time in these day rooms when I had my children. None of us then new mothers felt the urge to venture outside the hospital gates in the evening. We all knew it wasn’t the best thing to do since the area wasn’t exactly a safe place.

    Until tobacco control gets what it wants people do not matter. What a sad world we live in.

    • Frank Davis says:

      That doesn’t square with it being a “popular area”.

      And how many bus stops have folding chairs?

      • Roobeedoo2 says:

        I agree, but that’s what is being put out. I guess we won’t know any more until they catch the attacker.

        • Tonya says:

          That’s where the shuttle area was where she was waiting to meet the shuttle to go to her treatment. It should have been well lit and more security. I hope and pray they catch this monster. She flew there & didn’t have a car to drive over a mile and a half.

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