Pence and Pleasure

H/T Walt for this article on Mike Pence, Trump’s VP choice.

An archived page from Pence’s campaign website, unearthed last year by BuzzFeed, contains an article titled “The Great American Smoke Out,” which states:

Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer.

The article went on to admit that smoking is bad for you (“news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit”), but not as bad for you as big government. “The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.”

The danger, Pence warned, was that if government grew big enough to protect Americans against smoking, what was next? Fatty foods? SUVs? “Those of you who find the tobacco deal acceptable should be warned as you sit, reading this magazine, sipping a cup of hot coffee with a hamburger on your mind for lunch,” the article says. “A government big enough to go after smokers is big enough to go after you.”

That was written 15 years ago, and was highly prescient. Pence could see what was coming down the track. What’s his record as the governor of Indiana on smoking bans? I think GaryK lives in Indiana, not far from Chicago, so he might know.

I took a look at a few US left wing blogs to see whether anyone was hissing and screeching about this, but found nothing about it at all.

In other news, Dick Puddlecote reports on a visit to the Royal Society of Medicine for a discussion of the “regulation of pleasure”, where it was heartening to read that several people had been saying some very sensible things, like:

Another speaker, the Earl Of Erroll – a former soldier who said that his goal in life had never been about making absolutely sure he lived as long as possible, along with millions of others…

Not my goal in life either. And after someone had accused the medical profession of being unenlightened, the response was:

“It is not practitioners which are the problem, we are mostly receptive, it is the likes of the BMA and other organisations which claim to speak on our behalf.”

This is precisely what I suspected was the case. The top echelons of the medical profession have been infiltrated by PC ideologues who don’t represent most practising doctors.

So how do you get rid of them? It’s a bit like when the unions were controlled by ideologues like Arthur Scargill in the 1970s. What we need now is for professional organisations like the BMA and RCP (and lots of others, including the Royal Society) to have their power and influence comprehensively broken in much the same way as the unions in the 1980s.

There must be some way of doing it that doesn’t involve surrounding their headquarters with crack troops, and burning them out with teams of flamethrowers moving slowly and methodically from room to room.

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21 Responses to Pence and Pleasure

  1. Harleyrider1978 says:

    In 2009 he voted against the FDA tobacco take over bill and obammas tax increase too! It’s on NYClash

  2. Roobeedoo2 says:

    This is timely,

  3. jaxthefirst says:

    “There must be some way of doing it that doesn’t involve surrounding their headquarters with crack troops, and burning them out with teams of flamethrowers moving slowly and methodically from room to room.”

    But hey, needs must and all that ….. ;)

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

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  7. Rose says:

    One I’d been saving

    Tobacco plants make nicotine to stop animals eating them.

    Jasmonate-deficient tobacco plants attract herbivorous mammals

    “Tobacco plants which lack the hormones responsible for nicotine production are feasted on by rabbits and other mammals”

    “The scientists made food pellets from both dried wild-type and dried jasmonate-deficient tobacco plants and presented these pellets to the rabbits along with pellets from alfalfa, their favorite food plant. During 24 hours, the rabbits rapidly consumed jasmonate-deficient and alfalfa pellets. In contrast, the amount of consumed wild-type pellets was nearly zero. The hypothesis that nicotine determines the rabbits’ feeding preferences was confirmed in a further experiment which showed that jasmonate-deficient pellets were refused by the rabbits when nicotine was added.

    The scientists were surprised that rabbits were interested in tobacco pellets as much as in alfalfa. “We expected rabbits to eat all control pellets first, but instead they alternated consumption of these pellets with those containing jasmonate-deficient tobacco plants. This suggests that rabbits wanted something in Nicotiana attenuata, but needed to dilute the toxins in these plants in order to obtain it,” explains Mark McClure.”

    Nicotine tastes nasty.

    Bitter alkaloids nicotine, caffeine, theobromine (chocolate)
    But only nicotine sends politicians into hysterics, at present.

    The long held anti-tobacco view –
    “the most lethal instrument devised by man for peaceful use”

    So why aren’t the rabbits dead?

    As the son of a commercial tomato grower, I think George Godber knew a lot more than he let on.
    I absolutely hate the taste of tomatoes and if I was so inclined, I could get the public to fear them too, using antitobacco “science” alone.

  8. mikef317 says:

    Walt, agreed that the Democrats will dig up any dirt (in their view) that can be used against Pence. Republicans are no different. They’re already using Bill Clinton’s sex scandals as ammunition to attack his wife.

    Like generals fighting the last war, this is history. Democrats AND Republicans have no new ideas that might lead the nation to a better future. Clinton offers little more than a laundry list of hackneyed Democratic proposals. According to Trump, America is on life support, barely surviving, and only his phenomenal deal making skills can make the country “great again.” (Sure he can – and why am I just not voting this year?)


    FD quote on Pence’s text: “That was written 15 years ago, and was highly prescient. Pence could see what was coming down the track.”

    I think it’s worth mentioning what Pence opposed. Before the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between 46 states and the tobacco companies, there was a bill in Congress (sponsored in the Senate, I believe, by John McCain) to regulate tobacco companies on a national basis. The bill was so draconian that Big T opted for a better deal with the state Attorneys General (hence the MSA). Pence argues against both the congressional bill and what would eventually become the MAS. (Which is fine by me.)

    Was Pence prescient? Reading the text (and allowing for the ritual “stop smoking” message) all I see is a typical Republican (and Libertarian) anti-regulation position that was quite common at the time (and still is, as far as I know).

    My memory is dim, but I think “slippery slope” arguments began in the 1980’s when all anti-smoking zealots wanted (their one and only demand!) was no-smoking sections on airplanes.

    Re left wing U. S. blogs, Mother Jones (very far left) might be aghast at Pence’s history but smoking in the U. S. is a state / local issue. Pence accepted campaign contributions from tobacco companies so the topic might come up in a VP debate, but again, this stuff is 15 years old, and smoking / tobacco is not a topic in the Presidential election.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      But it could become one and I seriously doubt Hillary would want it coming up especially with Pence already knowing what we all Know hed make her look like a maniac control freak using any excuse to control everyone based upon nothing but invented trash science.

    • waltc says:

      I pretty much agree with your “a plague on both their (empty) houses” view. Whether I vote or not, and I trend towards not–Hillary will take NY state. …They’re already trying to tar Pence w taking tobacco money and having a family that runs a chain of (tobacco-selling) convenience stores (easily countered by Hillary’s taking Wall St money as recently as minutes ago) but the issue to be played is his stern and punitive anti-abortion stands, That’s what they’ll pound. The manufactured anti-gay ammo, which wasn’t anti-gay in intent but pro religious freedom– is just as likely to backfire on the left. …I recall the first Slippery Slope ads, run by RJR, apoeared in the 90s, shortly after the FDA report. I may have saved them on my computer but I think they can still be googled. And they were, in fact, prescient

  9. Rose says:

    I’m beginning to like Mike Pence already.

    REVEALED: Britain already has TEN Brexit trade deals lined up with economic powerhouses
    Jul 17, 2016

    “Last week finance chiefs in Indiana, spent more than £30,000 to place full page adverts in British national newspapers to knock President Barack Obama’s infamous claim that a post-Brexit UK will have to “get to the back of queue” when it comes to negotiating a trade deal.

    The advert read: “Brexit or not, you’ll always be at the front of the queue for business in Indiana.”

    “On Friday presidential hopeful Donald Trump chose Indiana Governor Mark Pence to be his running mate in next year’s elections – a sign, friends say, that a new administration will work hard to repair the “damage” to relationships with Britain and other nations caused by the Obama presidency.

    Last night Indiana’s secretary for commerce Victor Smith, a close friend of Governor Pence, said: “Forget the Eurozone, we already have relationships with so many British companies – Rolls Royce have their largest North American presence in our state with 4,000 employees. Tate and Lyle has invested billions. BP has invested billions. BAe systems has thousands of employees here. These are major relationships.

    “That’s the reason we did what we did. We wanted to tell Britain: “Treaty or no Treaty, Brexit or not, you’re first in the queue with us.”

    • mikef317 says:

      Economics isn’t my forte, and I couldn’t find a copy of the Indiana ad to read, so maybe this is a dumb question.

      Is Indiana looking to buy goods manufactured in the UK, or is it looking for UK companies to build plants in the U. S. and hire U. S. workers? In the latter case, some profits would flow back to the UK, but Indiana buying UK manufactured goods strikes me as a better deal for the UK.

      • Rose says:

        I think it’s Indiana showing it’s appreciation for UK investments, Mike.
        Which is very welcome after all the fear mongering there has been., however, after we leave the EU it should be a lot easier and cheaper to supply the good people of Indiana with any British made goods they may desire.

        Possible image in this article.
        “Indiana has joined the growing list of regions and countries trying to build on trade with the UK just 20 days after the country voted to leave the EU.

        British companies already employ thousands of people in the Midwest state, but it appears business leaders there have seen the chance to secure even more investment.”

        “The full-page advert in The Times today says: ‘Brexit or not you’ll always be front of the queue for business in Indiana. We stand with BAE Systems, BP. Rolls-Royce, Tate & Lyle and the other 50+ UK companies in Indiana’.

        London-based Tate & Lyle has just invested $90million in its plant in Tippecanoe County, leading to more jobs for the sugar giant.
        BP runs its large Whiting Oil Refinery on the southwestern shore of Lake Michigan while BAE has a large base in Fort Wayne and recently won a $383million contract with the U.S. Defense Department.

        Rolls-Royce’s plant in Indianapolis employs 4,000 staff and produces parts, engines and helicopters.”

        Indiana offers support to U.K.-based companies amid Brexit concerns
        6th July

        “Indiana commerce officials are showing support for companies based in the United Kingdom as they face financial and political uncertainty after Brexit—the country’s vote to leave the European Union.

        The state plans for an Indiana delegation to show an advertisement to those attending the 2016 International Farnborough Air Show, which is held each year in Hampshire, England. The ad will read, “Brexit or not, you’ll always be front of queue for business in Indiana.”

        “International job creators play an important role in Indiana’s economy, with nearly 800 foreign-owned establishments operating here today, including more than 50 U.K.-based business,” said Victor Smith, Indiana Secretary of Commerce in a written statement.”

        “Gov. Pence was part of a 22-person trade delegation from Indiana that visited the U.K. in 2014.

        “To our U.K-based firms, know that we support you and value the Hoosier jobs you create. To job creators across the globe, we invite you to learn more about the benefits of doing business in a state that works,” Smith said.

        The ad is part of the Indiana Economic Development Corp.’s ongoing “A State That Works” campaign, which highlights the reasons why companies should choose Indiana for business.”

        However, as my husband should shortly arrive with his copy of the Sunday Times, I’ll be able to read the advert for myself and report back.

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Smoking gun found at anti-smoking charity – directors allegedly pay themselves for doing nothing

    The Minister of Health needs to explain to taxpayers how $3million is sitting in the account of a defunct charity when the money was supposed to be used to help smokers quit. Radio NZ reports that the Government has sought legal advice over the Quit Group, which is holding on to millions of dollars in public funds several months after it stopped operating, has continued to pay its board from the surplus.

    Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams says:

    “It appears that money which was supposed to be used to help people quit is instead being wasted lining the pockets of a board which apparently has nothing to manage. It suggests serious flaws in the procurement process at the Ministry of Health.”

    “The Quit Group is a charity with the purpose of getting smokers to quit — not building a large reserve so that a board with no services left to manage can continue to be paid.”

    “Just yesterday the Treasury released alarming data showing that of the 1,161 Ministry of Heath procurement administration and support contracts valued at over $100,000, not a single one is annually reviewed to ensure it meets expected delivery outcomes. This, and the examples of poor procurement by the Ministry of Health, suggest a ticking time bomb in the largest areas of government spending.”

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