I Feel British

H/T prog:

Is this really how it’s been? Irish Times:


I thought the murder of Jo Cox would be a body blow for Brexit, but it seems to have made no difference at all.

At the end of this video, where he’s meeting David Cameron with James May, Jeremy Clarkson says: “I feel European.” And maybe he does, given that he’s spent years driving all over it on Top Gear. But what about all the people who’ve spent their entire lives living in Britain? Most of them would probably say, “I feel British.” Maybe that’s what’s now emerging.


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14 Responses to I Feel British

  1. Tony says:

    From the Clarkson video:
    “I feel European, so I want to be in Europe “

    I find it astonishing that so many people conflate the EU with the continent of Europe. It is probably encouraged by the Remainians. When we leave the EU we will still be in Europe and we’ll still be European as well as British.

    Having said that, the only country ever to have left the EU (EEC as was) is Greenland and look where they are now. I should also point out that Nigel Farage has not denied the rumour that UKIP have hired a fleet of tugboats ready for Brexit nor that the people of Spitzbergen are preparing to welcome new neighbours.

  2. mikef317 says:

    First of three comments, all limited to two links to avoid the dungeon.
    Off topic. I intended these for yesterday’s post on experts. Smoking isn’t an issue but I think they’re pertinent to all types of “science.”
    On coffee drinking.

    And yet more! This time white vs whole wheat bread. And with a defense of the “science” of epidemiology!


    • Rose says:

      How white bread got it’s bad name.

      Pellagra Cure Time 1938

      “Nicotinic acid, a distant relative (about second cousin once removed) of tobacco’s nicotine, is found in yeast, wheat germ and liver. When considerable quantities were fed to some 300 patients with pellagra, their sores healed, their cramps disappeared.
      Even patients who were violently insane dramatically regained their wits within 48 hours.”
      http: //www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,788409,00.html

      Medicine: The Nation’s Food – 1941

      “A necessary vitamin is B—a group of at least half a dozen different chemicals. Most radio listeners, said Vice President Wallace last week, know B as the “oomph vitamin, that puts the sparkle in your eye, the spring in your step, the zip in your soul!” Vitamin B is found abundantly in whole wheat and coarse grains, is appreciably reduced in the milling process, when the rough coat is “scalped”‘ from wheat kernel.
      Most of the big flour mills and bakers have recently agreed to put vitamin B1; nicotinic acid and iron back into their flour and bread. But experts last week pointed out that such “enriched bread,” although a step forward, was not the ideal solution of the problem.
      Reasons: 1) sufficient productive capacity for riboflavin, which may be a required ingredient of the new flour, will not be ready for almost a year; 2) enriched flour is not as rich in minerals and vitamins as whole grain; 3) to keep up his vitamin BI requirement from this source alone, a person would have to eat almost a whole loaf of enriched bread every day (of the non-enriched white bread, he would have to eat three to four loaves); 4) the amount of vitamins available to put into bread may just now be seriously curtailed by shipments to Britain; 5) natural flour goes a third of a way longer in breadmaking than refined flour.”

      “pellagra-preventing vitamin in enriched bread,” 1942, coined from ni(cotinic) ac(id) + -in, chemical suffix; suggested by the American Medical Association as a more commercially viable name than nicotinic acid.
      “The new name was found to be necessary because some anti-tobacco groups warned against enriched bread because it would foster the cigarette habit.” [“Cooperative Consumer,” Feb. 28, 1942]

      JAMA. 1942

      “A poor name is a handicap to the promotion of a meritorious product. The name “nicotinic acid” for the vitamin so important in the prevention of pellagra has been doubly unfortunate. To the general public the word “nicotinic” implies too strongly the relationship of this vitamin to nicotine, the chief alkaloid of tobacco often used as an insecticide. The term “acid” denotes a corrosive substance such as the liquid used in automobile storage batteries. The vitamin called “nicotinic acid” was first produced in the laboratory in 1867 by the oxidation of nicotine with potassium chromate and sulfuric acid. Later the compound was named nicotinic acid because it had been made from nicotine and it had the ability to form salts. As a laboratory curiosity, which it remained for over seventy years, nicotinic acid was adequately named. From the point of view of those interested in furthering the distribution of foodsenriched with this dietary essential the name has proved unsuitable.”

      Following the announcement of proposed regulations for enriched bread by the Food and Drug Administration, a well known trade publication announced the event with the heading “Tobacco in your Bread”

      “Although niacin is not altogether suitable from the purely chemical view, chemists and other scientists generally will continue to use the older terms, which to the initiated are unobjectionable.
      Whether the new names will overcome resistance to the greater use of enriched flour and enriched bread remains to be seen.
      They deserve to meet general approval.”

  3. mikef317 says:

    Second of three comments. This time on global warming.

    The next link is long, with many long links. Due to lack of time I only spent 5 or 10 minutes skimming.


  4. mikef317 says:

    Third of three comments. Maybe there’s still hope for the human race.



    • Frank Davis says:

      From the resilient earth link:

      [M]easured any way you like—volume of papers, number of working researchers, total amount of funding—deductive, theory-building physics in the mold of Newton and Lagrange, Maxwell and Einstein, is a tiny fraction of modern science as a whole. In fact, it also makes up a tiny fraction of modern physics. Far more common is the delicate and subtle art of scouring inconceivably vast volumes of noise with advanced software and mathematical tools in search of the faintest signal of some hypothesized but never before observed phenomenon, whether an astrophysical event or the decay of a subatomic particle. This sort of work is difficult and beautiful in its own way, but it is not at all self-evident in the manner of a falling apple or an elliptical planetary orbit, and it is very sensitive to the same sorts of accidental contamination, deliberate fraud, and unconscious bias as the medical and social-scientific studies we have discussed. Two of the most vaunted physics results of the past few years—the announced discovery of both cosmic inflation and gravitational waves at the BICEP2 experiment in Antarctica, and the supposed discovery of superluminal neutrinos at the Swiss-Italian border—have now been retracted, with far less fanfare than when they were first published.

      rampant spread of statistics at all levels of science.

  5. Rose says:


    Inmate’s wife blames smoking ban for riot
    18th June 2016

    “THE wife of one of the Erlestoke prisoners who had to be moved after other inmates staged a riot at the weekend has blamed the smoking ban for an increase in violence in the jail.

    Philomena McDonagh contacted the Gazette this week to reveal that she had spoken to her husband Michael on the phone the day before a number of prisoners smashed up cells on two wings in the prison near Devizes.

    She said: “It is the smoking ban which is to blame. It has caused a lot of problems and tension. Some of the prisoners would rather move to a different prison even if it is a higher category so they can still smoke. Michael doesn’t smoke but it the ban is driving some of the others crazy”

    “Before the ban came in tobacco was changing hands for huge amounts of money and then being stock-piled. When he rang me I could hear things kicking off and an alarm going off in the background.”

    Erlestoke is one of four prisons in England that has been piloting the no smoking policy which came into force on May 23. A spokesman for the POA said: “We had no intelligence to suggest the smoking ban had anything to do with the riot.”

    A ministry spokesman said: “It was not to do with the smoking ban.”

    But other sources within the prison said that the ban had caused problems even though inmates had been issued with nicotine patches.

    Mrs McDonagh, 25, whose husband is serving a nine year sentence for burglary, said that he ring her from a prison phone on Friday. She said: “They were on lock-down because of staff shortages. He had been locked up for 23 hours.

    “He was worried about what was going to happen. He had only had a sandwich and a glass of water that day. Michael is no angel but he wanted to stay out of trouble. He is not a violent person but he had been attacked three or four days earlier.”

    She said she did not find out until two days after the riot which ended at 3am on Sunday and resulted in 130 prisoners being moved to different jails that her husband had been sent to Belmarsh top security prison in London.”

  6. Rose says:

    But what about all the people who’ve spent their entire lives living in Britain?

    I feel English, more specifically Yorkshire is home, I visit other parts of the country because they are all subtly different, both the landscape and the people who live there. I don’t think of myself as British, because Great Britain is the island I live on and is far too big for me to know intimately. I think in individuals rather than in thousands and I am only British when I leave the country.
    Europe is a continent and though I have enjoyed visiting countries there because they are even more different in people and landscape and especially food, I have never lived long enough anywhere else to know how the people that live there think, because we will few shared experiences, only good will.
    It would be impertinent of me to tell anyone else how to live.

    • garyk30 says:

      British, from Britain, and European, from Europe, are geographic terms denoting an area from which one has come.

      English is the sum of millions of people’s experience over hundreds of years and a common shared language that has evolved over those hundreds of years.

      There is no ‘European’ language; nor, is there a unique European culture or history.

      In the same way, it is silly for people from the USA to identify themselves as ‘American’, as tho that makes them different from Canadians or Chilieans who are also ‘Americans’.

      Unfortunately, stating that one is a ‘USAean’ or ‘USAish’ sounds rather awkward and silly.

      Stating that one is a citizen of the USA does not do justice to the history or unique culture of the USA.

      Stating that one is European,a citizen of the EU, does not do justice to the history or unique culture of the country that is your home.

      I think the ‘self appointed’ Elite/Anointed feel that they are citizens of the World; and thus, morally and intellectually superior those that identify with a single country and language.

      The EU/One World concept is no more than a means of forcing the ignorant masses to conform to the Elite/Anointed view of how the World should be arranged and governed by ‘Them’.

      • Paul Austin says:

        As an observer, outside the UK and the EU, I was mystified why the average British citizen would want to secede from one of the largest economic blocs that could rival the other global blocs. The concept and practice of unfettered & free trade between states here in the US is one of main reasons our economy has prospered. That was before learning that membership in the EU has a price:
        Now it is not to say that decisions arrived at in the central government in Washington DC are not binding on the member states but redress though our elected representatives/senators by the electorate provides for redress.
        Why is it that the UK reps to the EU parliament are not able to raise dissent to the edits of the UN-elected bureaucrats in Brussels?

        • Frank Davis says:

          The over-regulated EU is getting a smaller and smaller share of world trade. And MEPs in the the European parliament have no power to amend legislative proposals produced by the appointed members of the European Commission, or propose any of their own (unlike in the UK parliament). The EU is designed to keep power at the top, with a minimum of democratic oversight.

          I recommend you watch the video I posted at the top of the page, by Toby Young of the Spectator. It’s not very long. About 15 minutes.

  7. Paul Austin says:

    Thanks, watched the video, very, very enlightening. Brings back the memory of an editorial cartoon of PM Wilson dressed as Mary Poppins being instructed by DeGaul on how to enter the, then, Common Market.
    Ok, so these commissioners write regs & laws then the EU MPs vote them up or down, right? In the case of Neil Kinnock, who appointed him, how long is his commissioners’ term, and what contact does he have to keep with constitutes in the UK?

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