A “Reverse Maastricht” Process

H/T Rose for this BBC report:

Pro-Remain MPs are considering using their Commons majority to keep Britain inside the EU single market if there is a vote for Brexit, the BBC has learned.

The MPs fear a post-Brexit government might negotiate a limited free trade deal with the EU, which they say would damage the UK’s economy.

There is a pro-Remain majority in the House of Commons of 454 MPs to 147.

A Vote Leave campaign spokesman said MPs will not be able to “defy the will of the electorate” on key issues.

The single market guarantees the free movement of goods, people, services and capital.

The BBC has learned pro-Remain MPs would use their voting power in the House of Commons to protect what they see as the economic benefits of a single market, which gives the UK access to 500 million consumers.

Staying inside the single market would mean Britain would have to keep its borders open to EU workers and continue paying into EU coffers.

Ministers have told the BBC they expect pro-EU MPs to conduct what one called a “reverse Maastricht” process – a reference to the long parliamentary campaign fought by Tory eurosceptic MPs in the 1990s against legislation deepening EU integration.

In another report:

Pro-Remain Labour MP Stephen Kinnock told the BBC: “If the British people voted to leave the EU, that’s one thing.

“But can we really say that they voted for the devastation and destruction of the entire exporting sector of our economy?

“I don’t think you can necessarily say that there’s a democratic mandate for that.”

A minister told the broadcaster the plan was “not fantasy” but a “huge probability”.

I’m not too surprised at this. The political class all over Europe loves the EU: it acts as a buffer between them and their electorates, and it also gives them lots of dosh. So of course they want to stay in.

I’ve still got no idea which way this referendum will go. One week Remain are in front, and the next week Leave are in front. But I’ve thought all along that if Leave win, Britain won’t be allowed to leave. And parliament blocking it is as good a way of doing that as any.

And then there’d be a political crisis. And there might be one anyway, because both the Remain and the Leave camps believe passionately in their respective causes, and whatever the result, one side will be delighted, and the other enraged. UK politics looks set to become acrimonious and polarised, whatever the result.

But whether Britain leaves or remains, it seems to me that there’s the same problem all over Europe, with more and more ordinary Europeans becoming disenchanted with the EU, while the European political class everywhere tries to hold it together. If not Britain, then France, or Italy, or Spain, are likely to try to break out next.

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29 Responses to A “Reverse Maastricht” Process

  1. Yeah I read this earlier on. Apart from the sheer lack of respect they show democracy, this snippet jumped out at me;

    “A Remain campaign spokesperson countered: “The Leave campaign can’t tell us what would happen if we vote to leave.”

    No they can’t. Funny how the Remain camp reckon they actually can. What’s quite clear is that should we exit then what happens next is not clear, not decided at all. So how can anyone predict precisely how much worse we’ll be off, how much less our houses will be worth, how much tinier our penises will be?

  2. jaxthefirst says:

    ” … how much tinier our penises will be.”

    Ooh, Lauriek. Don’t give them any more scaremongering ideas. They haven’t used that one yet – they’re saving it for June 22nd!

  3. Daniel Hammond says:
  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    frank dungeon

  5. harleyrider1978 says:
  6. waltc says:

    Au barricades!

  7. Rose says:

    I was wondering what stunt they were going to pull to try and keep us captive. But if they go ahead with disregarding the will of the British Public, it will certainly sort the wheat from the chaff. It would be interesting to cross reference those whose greater loyalty is to party and the EU, with those whose greater loyalty was to party and the FCTC, rather than those millions who had their friends and family made to suffer the indignity of standing outside in all weathers and exiled from hospital grounds.
    It’s a huge opportunity to weed out those unfit to govern before they get the chance to slither back into the undergrowth.

    Does anyone still have a list of those MPs who voted for the Smoking Ban and helped strike that enormous blow against British culture and tradition?

  8. Rose says:

    We do have the names of MPs who voted against David Nuttall’s amendment to the Smoking Ban in 2010, though.

    Smoking Bill – how MPs voted
    Wednesday, October 13, 2010

    “David Nuttall’s attempt to introduce a Bill to amend the smoking ban may have fallen by a majority of 55 (86 in favour of an amendment, 141 against).”
    http://takingliberties.squarespace.com/taking-liberties/2010/10/13/smoking-bill-how-mps-voted.html

    So I expect that we will find some of the conspirators names in that list.

  9. Bandit 1 says:

    This story sounds bad but it really isn’t. The EU is not the ‘single market’, and vice versa: retaining access to the single market does not mean remaining part of the EU. It’s actually the best of both worlds and a lot closer to what people in 1975 thought they were voting for. And reassuring people and business that ‘leave’ won’t actually mean catastrophe, death and destruction works in leave’s favour.

    I read the piece as 1) domestic politicians doing their utmost to appear significant; 2) a recognition by same that leave may indeed win; 3) an admission that access to the single market doesn’t in fact necessitate EU membership; 4) a public airing of the most likely scenario in the event of a leave victory (framed in terms of point 1); 5) a perfect example of the low-grade information provided by the media.

  10. petesquiz says:

    A few weeks ago I listened to an interview with former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis who, surprisingly (to me), thought that the UK should stay in the EU.

    However, he did make the interesting observation that the EU is like ‘Hotel California’ – “You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave”!

  11. Marvin says:

    If they did go ahead and ignore the result of the referendum, there will only be one winner in the longer term. Instead of UKIP getting 4 million votes at the next general election it will most likely be 14 million. There will be a LOT of angry, disgusted, voters from ALL parties who will want to punish the undemocratic penises in our own parliament as well as in the EU itself.

    In a way it could be a good thing, that they scuttled the leave result, because if that is what the majority of voters wanted, then we will need a government that BELIEVES in brexit to get us out of the EU and not one that doesn’t. It would clear the decks and also answers the question “what happens next”.

  12. prog says:

    OT

    http://reason.com/archives/2016/06/07/bay-state-officials-want-to-emulate-the

    Succinctly summed up by one commentator

    ‘This has nothing to do, as if it wasn’t plain enough, about ‘caring’ for people but just simply Massa. protecting its own revenue rackets as this quote reveals, “”cigarette smuggling costs the Commonwealth millions of dollars in lost revenue year over year.” They act no different than the Mafia on this front except they have the badges.

    Seriously, how can this end well? Are they gonna bang down doors and maybe even take a few lives here and there over fucking cigarettes? Heck, the government may end up ruining more people than cigarettes are alleged to do!’

  13. Frank Davis says:

    ibtimes

    The annual three-day Bilderberg conference kicks off on Thursday, and you can be sure the mood in Dresden will be a grim one. The heads of Google, Shell, BP and Deutsche Bank will be there, and Brexit will be top of the agenda. The Bilderberg Group has been nurturing the EU to life since the 1950s, and now they see their creation under dire threat.

    “A disaster for everyone” is how Henri de Castries, the boss of AXA and a director of HSBC, describes Brexit. But in particular, it is a disaster for his banking and big business colleagues at Bilderberg. Thomas Enders, the CEO of Airbus, who sits on Bilderberg’s steering committee – the group’s governing body – said, in a recent interview with CNBC, that his industry would be “lobbying” against Brexit.

  14. Frank Davis says:

    First Japan, then everywhere else?

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article82055572.html#storylink=cpy

    U.S. Navy sailors in Japan can say goodbye to their sake.

    Following an alleged drunk driving incident by a 21-year-old Petty Officer 2nd Class Aimee Mejia, the Navy announced Monday that drinking alcohol would be banned for all 19,000 personnel in Japan.

    Imbibing will be banned both on and off base, and sailors will no longer be able to freely leave their bases. Leaving base grounds will be allowed only for running necessary errands, or commuting from an off-base home.

  15. Harleyrider1978 says:

    Next maybe the BRUNexit…….

    Britain exists the UN

  16. harleyrider1978 says:
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  18. smokingscot says:

    Sometimes Frank I wonder why the ‘leave’ people bother. It seems the ‘stay’ lot are intent on giving reasons why we should quit.
    —-
    “House prices may fall by up to 15%.”

    Quite who they were attempting to scare with this one doesn’t really matter. The effect has been to perk up interest by those who want to get onto the property ladder – and those who may have to stand behind them.

    So the 20 to 30 somethings’ and their parents.
    —-
    “Tobacco prices may rise by 70%.”

    Just a blatant attempt to get smokers who actually buy from UK outlets to side with the ‘stay’ lot.

    Of course they couldn’t quite say that the baccy runs would be slightly more stressful should we quit, because that would be to admit they know it is a very real issue, very possibly affecting heavy smokers most – and let’s face it they can’t be seen trying to cosy up to those people. ASH’d get right pouty with that sort of tactic.
    —-
    “Staying in the EU single market.”

    That one’s delightful, it really is… honestly it is, because a goodly number of people want to see the EU more as a trading block, sort of like Mrs. T did, and were very reluctant to go with the ‘quit’ lot. Now they’ve got no reason to back the ‘remain’ lot, they’re getting what they really want anyway. Oh and there’s the almost certain added bonus of getting shot of the wishy-washy incompetence of Cameron and Osborne!

    Staying in the Single Market destroys the tobacco prices argument and means baccy runs are fine for the forseeable future.

    Oh I know ASH would love for the UK to follow Finland’s example, however that’ll take a while and it’ll certainly get the interest of booze, wine, chocolate, cheese and all manner of other manufacturers of naughty products, so it’ll be an interesting initiative when they’ve got the confidence to launch.

    I thought this chap did a darned fine splendid job of explaining what this means, in terms even I can grasp.

    https://thescepticisle.com/2016/06/07/brexit-is-the-key-norway-is-the-doorway/
    —-
    Watching in the wings.

    You’re perfectly correct, there are a couple of other EU nations who are watching us. And, if we crack an acceptable compromise, will undoubtedly follow suit.

    Whisper quietly – Sweden. And even quieter still – Poland.
    —-
    Off Topic.

    Coming from absolutely nowhere, the Five Star candidate beat the heck out of the boring, old, tedious, establishment parties to take 36% of the vote in the first round of elections in Rome!

    There’s a run-off on 19 June and I have a gut feeling this one won’t be a repeat of the Austrian Presidential.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/06/five-star-candidate-takes-large-lead-in-rome-mayor-first-round-voting

    • Joe L. says:

      Sometimes Frank I wonder why the ‘leave’ people bother. It seems the ‘stay’ lot are intent on giving reasons why we should quit.

      You can replace “the ‘leave’ people” with “smokers” and “the ‘stay’ lot” with “Tobacco Control” and your statement describes the cause of the apathy I see in so many fellow smokers. The Remainers have taken a page from the TC fear-mongering propaganda playbook, sadly, because it has been proven to get results.

      Note to self – next band name: “The Remainers”

  19. prog says:

    D-Notice as British Military personnel are told to vote Remain…. and more

    http://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-7th-june-2016

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