The Dream of Rome

Boris Johnson on the EU:

“The whole thing began with the Roman Empire,” he says. “I wrote a book on this subject, and I think it’s probably right. The truth is that the history of the last couple of thousand years has been broadly repeated attempts by various people or institutions – in a Freudian way – to rediscover the lost childhood of Europe, this golden age of peace and prosperity under the Romans, by trying to unify it. Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically,” he says.

“The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods. But fundamentally what it is lacking is the eternal problem, which is that there is no underlying loyalty to the idea of Europe. There is no single authority that anybody respects or understands. That is causing this massive democratic void.”


Boris Johnson is being accused of hyperbole for comparing the EU to Adolf Hitler’s plan for Europe (because invoking the threat of a new world war if Britain leaves the EU, as David Cameron did, is completely reasonable).

The pro-Brexit Tory MP said that both Napoleon and the Nazi leader failed at unification and that the EU was “an attempt to do this by different methods”.

According to Donald Tusk, the European Council President, the former Mayor of London “crossed the boundaries” by making the comparison.

Pro-Remain campaigner Lord Heseltine labeled Johnson’s remarks “preposterous” and “obscene”.

However, Boris Johnson is completely correct.

The European Union is basically what the Nazis envisaged for the continent post World War 2.

In his 1940 book The European Community, Nazi Economics Minister and war criminal Walther Funk wrote about the need to create a “Central European Union” and “European Economic Area” arguing, “There must be a readiness to subordinate one’s own interests in certain cases to those of [the EC].”

Nazi academic Heinrich Hunke wrote, “Classic national dead…community of fate which is the European economy…fate and extent of European co-operation depends on a new unity economic plan”.

Fellow Nazi Gustav Koenig observed, “We have a real European Community task before us…I am convinced that this Community effort will last beyond the end of the war.”

Other top Nazis who called for the creation of a pan-European federal economic superstate include Ribbentrop, Quisling and Seyss-Inquart, who spoke of “The new Europe of solidarity and co-operation among all its people… will find…rapidly increasing prosperity once national economic boundaries are removed.”

In 1940, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels ordered the creation of the “large-scale economic unification of Europe,” believing that “in fifty years’ time [people would] no longer think in terms of countries.”

Just 53 years later, the European Union in its current form was established.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard:

The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover

It was Washington that drove European integration in the late 1940s, and funded it covertly under the Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon administrations.

While irritated at times, the US has relied on the EU ever since as the anchor to American regional interests alongside NATO.

There has never been a divide-and-rule strategy…

The Schuman Declaration that set the tone of Franco-German reconciliation – and would lead by stages to the European Community – was cooked up by the US Secretary of State Dean Acheson at a meeting in Foggy Bottom. “It all began in Washington,” said Robert Schuman’s chief of staff.

It was the Truman administration that browbeat the French to reach a modus vivendi with Germany in the early post-War years, even threatening to cut off US Marshall aid at a furious meeting with recalcitrant French leaders they resisted in September 1950.

Truman’s motive was obvious. The Yalta settlement with the Soviet Union was breaking down. He wanted a united front to deter the Kremlin from further aggrandizement after Stalin gobbled up Czechoslovakia, doubly so after Communist North Korea crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded the South.

For British eurosceptics, Jean Monnet looms large in the federalist pantheon, the emminence grise of supranational villainy. Few are aware that he spent much of his life in America, and served as war-time eyes and ears of Franklin Roosevelt.

General Charles de Gaulle thought him an American agent,  as indeed he was in a loose sense. Eric Roussel’s biography of Monnet reveals how he worked hand in glove with successive administrations…

In a sense these papers are ancient history. What they show is that the American ‘deep state’ was in up to its neck. We can argue over whether Boris Johnson crossed a line last week by dredging up President Barack Obama’s “part-Kenyan ancestry”, but the cardinal error was to suppose that Mr Obama’s trade threat had anything to do with the ordeals of his grandfather in a Mau Mau prison camp. It was American foreign policy boilerplate.

So there you have it: the EU is based on a Nazi blueprint – but it was also a CIA plot.

But I think that the point that Boris was really making was that for the past 1500 years since the fall of the Western Roman Empire, there have been repeated unsuccessful attempts to reproduce it: Charlemagne, the Holy Roman Empire, Napoleon, Hitler, and now the EU.

I have a signed copy of Boris’ book on the matter: The Dream of Rome.

I have no idea which way next month’s UK referendum will go. For a while the Leave campaign was in front, but now the Remain campaign seems to be winning. For myself, regardless of the way the vote goes, I don’t think this latest EU attempt to reconstruct the Roman empire will fare any better than any of the previous attempts.


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18 Responses to The Dream of Rome

  1. Smoking Lamp says:

    Touching back to yesterday’s thread on ‘Angry Smokers’, it seems many of us are actually getting fed up with the relentless persecution. As may of you know, Irish junior health minister Finian McGrath questioned the legitimacy of the draconian Irish smoking ban. Of course he was attacked from nearly all sides and received little public support (the media likely censored most positive comments when comments are allowed). One exception is an op-ed from David Quinn at the Irish Independent. Despite the requisite we all know smoking is bad and smoking made our clothes smell when we went to the pub schtick Quinn offers a reasonable commentary on the neo-puritan intolerance fueling the antismoking craze. He sums his essay up with the following assessment:

    –“So McGrath is right. Smokers are being given too hard a time and the State ought to relent.
    It could start by letting pubs and restaurants that want to have designated smoking areas, as Finian suggested. Alas, the chances of him getting that one past the health zealots in the Cabinet and elsewhere are, precisely, zero. Smokers, in other words, will continue to be harried.”

    No doubt the healthist cult will resist accommodation, but political action could move things along… It would be nice to see Forest and Forest Ireland (Forest Éireann) chime in on this after all #SmokersAreVoters …

    Check out the op-ed:

  2. junican says:

    If the ‘Remain’ camp wins, I don’t think that that will be the end of the matter. If some 45% of voters chose ‘Brexit’, and 55% chose ‘Remain’, the ‘Remain’ camp is on notice to perform. In fact, ‘Remain’ demands even more scrutiny than ‘Brexit’ does. People like Boris Johnson will not go away, neither will all those individuals who supported Brexit. If ‘Remain’ wins, that authorises the Government to drive reform, which should major on corruption and Empire building in the EU. What is important is the vast cost of the EU. There is no need for 1000 page documents on the shape of bananas or the involvement of the EU in world health. That is, the purpose of the EU must be redefined. Very silly things have happened recently. Defending your country’s borders is all but banned.
    THE PEOPLE can easily demand another referendum or vote out Cameron. What is obvious is that government ministers do not know what they are dealing with, as evidenced by the Soubry MP cock-up when she revealed that she knew nothing about the tobacco directive for which she voted.
    A ‘Remain’ vote might be more amusing than a ‘Brexit’ vote.

    • waltc says:

      I’d rather be free than amused. And unfortunately I believe that a Remain vote will be a green light for even more EU meddling and what it does in the way of micro-management seemingly can’t be undone. Like the new e-cig regs. Snowdon (yesterday?) quotes sensible almost impassioned arguments against them on the parliament floor by the Right Honorable This’s and That’s but they’re totally impotent to do a damn thing about it.

      Not surprised that the US was involved at the start, but see it more as an administration/state dept idea than the CIA’s. Basically, the CIA is just a tool, not an inventor.

  3. Andy Oakley says:

    I am voting to leave after watching the brexit movie, before that I was unsure.

  4. Timothy Goodacre says:

    I’m voting to leave. I want my country back.

  5. garyk30 says:

    Please, no new Roman Empire.

    Roman numerals are awkward and cumbersome.
    Plus, they had no symbol for Zero.

    Zero is a most useful concept.

    • Tony says:

      Yes they’re very clumsy. But here’s a handy tip for remembering the value of each numeral. Simply write them all down in descending sequence and you get:
      DCLXVI = 666

      • garyk30 says:

        Worse are their fractions.
        Unlike their main counting system, which was “decimal” (based on ten), their fraction system was duodecimal (based on twelves)! Actually, though, that’s not uncommon – a lot of civilizations did some or all of their counting based on twelves because things grouped in twelves or divided into twelfths can be easily sub-grouped into groups of two, three and four (or halves, thirds, and quarters).

        For example, 2.5 and 2.75 are 2½ and 2¾ in fraction form.

        The Romans used S to indicate one half (it stood for the Latin word “semis,” which is where we get our prefix “semi-“), and dots to stand for twelfth parts.

        So 2.5 would presumably be something like II S, and since ¾ = 9/12 = ½ + 3/12, 2.75 would become II S••• (two, a half, and three twelfths).

        They could not accurately denote PI(3.14)

        The closest they could come was either 3 and 1/12th(3.083) or 3 and 2/12ths(3.167).

        It is no wonder that they could build great roads; but, sucked at pure science.

        The EU and it’s one size for all concept is just as flawed.

        • nisakiman says:

          When I was at school, I had a maths teacher who maintained that the duodecimal system was far superior to the decimal insofar as, as you said Gary, it was divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6, whereas the decimal was only divisible by 2 and 5. And of course, at the time I was at school, we still used the duodecimal system in our currency, with twelve pennies to the shilling. And inches and feet. It went a bit pear-shaped from there on in, with 20 shillings to the pound, and I won’t even start on the old measurements for weight and length – it must have been some kind of lunatic who devised those, with hundredweight, furlongs, chains, perches, bushels, pecks etc etc.

          Personally, as a carpenter, I work in metric, and I love the simplicity of it. I remember years ago adding measurements – thee and three sixteenth inches plus two feet four and three eighths plus nine and three quarter inches…. WTF? Now it’s all millimetres. 78 + 631 + 231 =…. Easy peasy. I thank the Gods that I worked for an architect who gave me plans all in millimetres back in the 80s – I’ve never looked back.

        • garyk30 says:

          Metric system seems to have been Greek in origin.
          Plus, they used the zero.

          Explains why most early scientists were Greek.

  6. prog says:

    Jeremy Paxman taking the piss somewhat. Quite informative actually…and well balanced considering it’s the BBC.

  7. Tony says:

    I will certainly be voting to leave.

    I’ve seen lots of stories about the origins of the EU and no doubt there is a lot of truth in many of them. But Christopher Booker and Richard North, in their book ‘The Great Deception’, reckoned that the EU originated in a blueprint created by a British civil servant called Arthur Salter.

    Salter had worked closely with Jean Monnet, coordinating allied shipping, during the first World War (and later, the second). Monnet was a much younger man who went on to lead the ‘Great Deception’. Salter appears to have had no role aside from his original blueprint, published in various essays between 1929 and 1933.

    It is some years since I read it but I remember thinking that at the time he was writing, a large proportion of British intellectuals believed that the constitution of the Soviet Union was the latest and greatest framework for Government. Essentially a Supranational construct run by an expert elite.

    Here is the blueprint:

    • Frank Davis says:

      This reminds me that I no longer bother to visit Richard North’s EUreferendum website. I just got utterly sick of the way he slags off Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, UKIP, and any number of other people. He may as well be pro-European. In fact, I sometimes think he is.

  8. Cecily Collingridge says:

    O/T. I’ve been a bit indisposed lately and, to distract myself, I’ve been researching the life of my Australian ancestors, particularly my wool growing grandparents’ life at Blackall, western Queensland at the beginning of the 20thC and later near Orange in New South Wales. One thing led to another and then I stumbled upon a song which I hope you’ll enjoy if you don’t know it already… ‘I must have good tobaccy when I smoke’:

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