Oh dear. Us Brits are being lectured by Barack Obama on the EU:


Here’s what Obama had to say:

Hillary Clinton has joined in:

White House hopeful Hillary Clinton has waded into the Brexit debate, throwing her weight behind President Obama’s advice that Britain should remain within the European Union (EU).

President Obama has endured criticism for telling the British people that they would be better off remaining within the Union, and threatening them with loss of American trade should they dare to vote to Leave.

Meanwhile the EU is pressing ahead with plans for Yet More EU: a United States of Europe.

Plans have been drawn up for a full-blown ‘United States of Europe’ and Britain will have little say, warns top Tory minister

Commons leader Chris Grayling said EU figures were already signed up

The documents speaks of ‘concrete’ plans to ‘deepen integration’

It talks about ‘more, not less Europe’ was needed to meet challenges

…’concrete proposals’ to deepen EU integration towards a ‘federal union of states’ will be drawn up at a meeting in Luxembourg next month.

Are any of the people actually living in these countries going to be asked if it’s what they want?

In other EU news (H/T smokingscot):

Austrian far-right party wins first round of presidential election

Norbert Hofer of the Freedom party takes 36.7% of the vote as candidates from the two governing parties fail to make runoff

In US news, it looks like Bernie Sanders wants to make tobacco illegal:

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders questioned whether cigarettes should be legal on Sunday.

“Cigarettes are causing cancer, obviously, and a dozen other diseases,” he said on NBC’s Meet The Press.

“And there is almost the question as to why it remains a legal product in this country.”

I have no idea how Brits are going to vote in the EU referendum in a couple of months time. I continue to believe that if we vote to Leave we’ll just be told to vote again until we vote to Stay.

Which gives me another opportunity to post up David Bowie’s “Stay”:


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35 Responses to Stay

  1. Heehee… LOVE that bulldog cartoon! SOOO perfect!

    Do Obama and Hillary actually think the Brits will be MORE likely to vote to stay because the US is pushing it at them? Sheeesh… It’s like the cops acting openly chummy with an Informant! Kiss o’ Death!

    That news on Bernie is unsettling. :/ I’d hoped he might be a somewhat reasonable alternative to Hillary and Trump. ::sigh:: I see Trump as being marginally (only marginally) less likely to get us involved in a nuclear confrontation than Hillary, though they’d both be itching to prove how “powerful” and “presidential” they could be.

    It’d be kinda nice to watch ISIS choke on its giblets if it had to confront a female US president though.

    – MJM

    • Joe L. says:

      That news on Bernie is unsettling. :/ I’d hoped he might be a somewhat reasonable alternative to Hillary and Trump.

      Understood. I held out hope for Sanders early on in the race as he was an Independent who appeared to be running on the Democratic ticket for recognition. I was initially impressed that he addressed the elephant in the room by making Wall Street reform the nucleus of his campaign. However, over the course of the contest, I’ve noticed Bernie aligning himself quite nicely with the progressive agenda. At first I thought (hoped) that he was just pandering to the members of his newly adopted mainstream party; sadly, it’s become apparent that Sanders is just as much a part of the establishment as the rest of the two-party tools.

      Not to mention, a statement hinting at criminalizing tobacco is very counterintuitive coming from a candidate who already draws a lot of skepticism with regards to where all the money needed to fund his socialist programs will be coming from. These exorbitant and ever-increasing tobacco taxes we smokers are forced to pay are obviously going somewhere, and cutting that revenue stream off would only cause trouble for his grandiose plans. Bernie is obviously in the death throes of his campaign and desperate for votes (in this case, anti-smokers and pro-soda drinkers), and he may have just nailed his own coffin shut.

  2. Twisted Root says:

    In less than a year the POTUS could well be a deal-cutting businessman; not a jug-eared communist. Trading deals are all about access to the richest markets without barriers or tariffs for goods made by cheap or slave labour in poor countries. That is why national borders and governments have to go.

    Anyone with the slightest recall will remember that previous moves towards globalism were sold to the public with Barry’s fear tactic. We would be ‘left behind’, ‘out in the cold’ or ‘miss the train’.

    Frank is right though, the globalists will not be stopped no matter what we do or how we vote.

  3. Lepercolonist says:

    Why would a smoker in the remaining Democratic primaries vote for Bernie Sanders ? He sounds beyond Hillary with these politically stupid comments. Lame duck Obama has always threatened U.S. states that disagree with his ridiculous federal programs.

    • Bernie may be coming in as an antismoking appeaser late in the game, but Hilary’s been an Anti since she first moved into the White House and declared a smoking ban there.

      – MJM

      • Frank Davis says:

        Bernie sounds to me like he’s a pretty advanced case antismoker. Has Hillary ever suggested making tobacco illegal?

        Incidentally, I got a slap on the wrist from MikeF when I said Hillary had banned smoking in the White House. He said she had no authority to do anything like that. Nevertheless, news reports from the time attributed the WH ban to her.

        • mikef317 says:

          A slap wasn’t intended. Just a technical correction. It’s the way the country works.

          Hillary could have banned smoking in the living quarters of the White House. It is considered the First Family’s “home.” The rest of the building is a workplace for government employees. The President says what is and is not allowed.

          Unless memory fails, Bill (who smoked cigars in the WH while in office) banned smoking in ALL federal buildings, nationwide. I’m sure Hillary approved and edged him on, but contrary to our (ever so accurate) news media, First Ladies have absolutely no power – only the President (or a Federal Agency like OSHA) can regulate smoking (with the exception of Congress – which [I think like your Parliament] sets its own rules and allows members to smoke in their offices).

          But there’s always hope. Maybe The Donald will resend the smoking ban and move Churchill’s bust from the Treaty Room back to the Oval Office.

        • mikef317 says:

          Damn, rescind.

      • edith482 says:

        Can’t stand the woman. Are there no decent Presidential candidates?

  4. Manfred says:

    Eco-globalists of the World unite. Brexit is the single biggest challenge to the proto-eco-global State that is the EU. Little wonder Obama is here to chivvy the troops along with the chanting background UN stooges like DiCaprio ridiculously claiming the UN to be The Last Great Hope.
    Spare us.

  5. Timothy Goodacre says:

    Lets get out of the EU asap.

  6. Rose says:

    I fully understand the expression on the bulldog, my reaction was unprintable and at length.

    Surely an American President telling the British public not to vote for Independence is an extraordinary thing on a multitude of levels.

  7. Cecily Collingridge says:

    The US would lose their poodle if the UK withdrew from the EU’s failing project.
    As an antidote to Project Fear and the media’s obsession with celebs, outsiders and domestic MPs would don’t seem to have much of a grasp of how the EU works, you might be interested in a far more positive perspective from someone who, at least, is an MEP…

    Daniel Hannan MEP – Britain Is Too Good To Be In The EU

  8. nisakiman says:

    Off topic, but I came across this article earlier today:

    Agonising mystery lung disease twice more widespread than previously thought
    The number of people suffering from an agonising mystery lung disease responsible for 1 per cent of all UK deaths is more than double what was previously feared, new research reveals.

    Experts have demanded a dramatic increase of research funding for Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis (IPF), an incurable condition where scar tissue builds in the lungs, making it difficult to breath.

    A study from the British Lung Foundation (BLF) found approximately 32,500 people are currently living with the disease, which kills about 5,300 people a year.

    What I found most interesting about this article was that NOT ONCE was smoking mentioned.

    I looked it up on Google, and all but the NHS site were very tentative about smoking perhaps being a factor (the NHS site classed it as a significant risk, naturally), but other factors seem to figure more:

    Sometimes doctors can find out what is causing pulmonary fibrosis (lung scarring). For example, exposure to environmental pollutants and certain medicines can cause the disease.

    This surprised me, because as we know, every disease known to man is attributed to smoking, so with this being a lung disease I would have expected smoking to feature heavily in the blame game. It would be interesting to find out what the rates of smokers and non-smokers affected are (any info on this, Rose?). It wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out that smokers enjoy a protective effect. It’s the only reason I can think of why they should be soft-pedaling on the smoking association.

      • Rose says:

        Bother, I forgot to break a link.

        Frank, please could you possibly remove the surplus comment?

        It’s a new one on me, Nisakiman.

        Does Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis Increase Lung Cancer Risk?

        “The findings were striking; the incidence of lung cancer was increased seven-fold in the IPF group, compared with the controls, and the excess risk changed little after adjustment for cigarette smoking.

        Comparing nonsmokers and current smokers, the relative risk of lung cancer associated with IPF was twice as high in the nonsmokers.”

        Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis
        Outcome in Relation to Smoking Status

        “Rationale: The pathogenic importance of smoking status in idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF) is uncertain. In theory, increased oxidative stress in current and former smokers might promote disease progression. However, better survival has been reported for current smokers with IPF, although this might reflect less severe disease at presentation (a “healthy smoker effect”).”

        So what have we got going for us?

        Two things mentioned on a quick search are oxidation and inflammation that leads to scarring.

        Off the top of my head, we appear to produce greater amounts of Glutathione, the master anti-oxidant, H/T Nightlight, and we inhale small amounts of supplementary Carbon Monoxide in the smoke, which is also the bodies own anti-inflammatory.

        Normal alveolar epithelial lining fluid contains high levels of glutathione.

        “The epithelial cells on the alveolar surface of the human lower respiratory tract are vulnerable to toxic oxidants derived from inhaled pollutants or inflammatory cells. Although these lung cells have intracellular antioxidants, these defenses may be insufficient to protect the epithelial surface against oxidants present at the alveolar surface
        “The total glutathione (the reduced form GSH and the disulfide GSSG) concentration of normal ELF was 140-fold higher than that in plasma of the same individuals, and 96% of the glutathione in ELF was in the reduced form.

        Compared with nonsmokers, cigarette smokers had 80% higher levels of ELF total glutathione, 98% of which was in the reduced form.”

        Studies of cultured lung epithelial cells and fibroblasts demonstrated that these concentrations of reduced glutathione were sufficient to protect these cells against the burden of H2O2 in the range released by alveolar macrophages removed from the lower respiratory tract of nonsmokers and smokers, respectively, suggesting that the glutathione present in the alveolar ELF of normal individuals likely contributes to the protective screen against oxidants in the extracellular milieu of the lower respiratory tract.”

        Brigitte might be able to give a fuller picture.

      • Rose says:


        It reminds me very much of that study from Pune in 2010.

        They all lived in the same environment but the smokers seemed to escape the COPD for the most part.

        Indoor air pollution behind COPD, not smoking: study

        “You don’t have to be a smoker to suffer from Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD). Indoor air pollution is enough for one to contract the infection, says the first-of-its-kind study conducted at 22 villages of Pune.

        Out of 3,000 people randomly selected for the study, 210 suffered from COPD. “At least 93 per cent of those who had COPD were non smokers,” says Dr Sundeep Salvi, coordinator of the Chest Research Foundation (CRF).

        Among those identified to have COPD, only 7% were smokers and 93% were never smokers, indicating that smoking is clearly not the most important risk factor for COPD in India. More importantly, 23% of the COPDs occurred in age group less than 40 years, which has not been reported earlier, says Salvi.

        It has always been believed that COPD starts occurring after 40 years and above in people who have smoked for over 15-20 years. But in India, indoor air pollution seems to be the most important cause so the disease occurs in earlier age groups as well because of exposures from childhood, he explained.”

        • nisakiman says:

          Heh! I had a feeling you’d have some nuggets of relevant info on the subject, Rose. Thanks for that. I’d seen the Indian study before, but the stuff pertaining to IPF is all new to me. Most interesting.

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Trying to fast Draw hit one missed 4 at 45 feet………Somedays ya bang em all somedays its all near misses like todays 1 inch above 1 inch below is how those rounds hit. Not bad from a 3 inch barrel revolver colt single action 44-40.

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    And indeed, sometimes principles are hard to defend. Cigarette smoking should be allowed everywhere — apartment buildings, offices, restaurants and bars — and the government shouldn’t have any say in the matter. There’s a principled policy: property rights are important, therefore, the government shouldn’t tell business and property owners whether or not people can use tobacco on their premises. But the evidence suggests that smoking bans are an effective way at getting people to cut back on smoking and it reduces exposure of other people to second-hand smoke.

    Or, the entire thing can be flipped on its head, arguing for a policy from a point of principle, instead of using the evidence from research. All drugs should be legal because who am I, or you, to tell anyone what to put in their body? That, in some ways, should be all the argument requires — research, years of evidence from how brutally and brutishly unsuccessful the War on Drugs has been doesn’t necessarily need to factor in.

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  13. Frank Davis says:

    Sky Poll: Obama’s EU Warning Counterproductive
    A poll conducted by Sky suggests that Obama’s EU warning may have damaged rather than aided the Remain campaign.

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