Suppressing Even The Memory Of Tobacco

H/T Harley for this Australian story:

memorabilia

The owner of a popular Irish pub in Perth is seeing red after the Western Australia Health Department told him to remove his tobacco memorabilia signs or face prosecution and hefty fines.

Almost every inch of J.B O’Reilly’s in Leederville is littered with antique signs and memorabilia, including a number of collectable tobacco signs dating back more than 120 years, one of which cost him A$5000 (NZ$5397).

The owner of the iconic Irish pub J.B O’Reillys in Cambridge he has been told by the WA Health Department to remove his tobacco memorabilia signs or face prosecution.

If the signs aren’t showing existing tobacco brands, it’s rather hard to see that they’re any sort of adverts at all.

Surely for something to be an advert it must reference a product that is currently available to purchase?

Would an advert for an entirely imaginary brand of cigarettes be a form of advertising?

If he’s forced to take down his memorabilia, it’ll be because Tobacco Control now wishes to obliterate the very idea and memory of tobacco. If so, the next step will be the banning of books and movies that include smoking, on the grounds that this is a form of ‘advertising’, simply because it reminds people of the existence of the product.

And it’ll also meaning banning words like ‘tobacco’, ‘cigarette’, ‘smoking’, because they serve to remind people of the practice. Even ‘No Smoking’ signs might be deemed to ‘advertise’ smoking.

Update:

Health Minister Kim Hames has intervened in the J.B. O’Reilly’s tobacco sign saga – telling the Health Department to stop its action against the Leederville pub.

…Mr Hames said that if Mr North had taken down any signs he could put them back up, saying the department demand was overkill.

Mr Hames said he would amend the legislation.

But clearly some people in the Health Department didn’t think it was overkill at all.

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51 Responses to Suppressing Even The Memory Of Tobacco

  1. Smoking Lamp says:

    The tobacco controllers are either drunk with power or fearful that their house of lies is soon to collapse.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Id say even the government has finally seen the insanity unless they staged it to start the process of dismantling the damned bans and laws. YOU JUST HAVE TO WONDER.

  2. rattyariel says:

    Oh, my goodness, this is downright scary.

  3. Joe L. says:

    Thanks for the update, Frank. It’s a relief to know the dogs were called off, but I fear we might start seeing more of this nonsense.

  4. Books and movies? Surely you’ve heard of the stink raised by Glantz’s “Smoke Free Movies” nonsense. They cooked up a study (as they always do) showing how “The Children” were being harmed by smoking in films and actually making claims about specific moving killing X millions of children. Even though network TV has series that show many hundreds or even thousands of “drinking instances” while portraying less than a half dozen “smoking instances” (BONES has about 1,500 of the former and only 5 of the latter in its dozenish years.) that’s still not enough for the nutjobs. Hannibal Lecter can chop up as many innocents as he wants and then fricasee them in fancy French recipes for his admiring guests, but there’s not a single wisp of smoke on the show to offend the sensibilities of The Children who are watching the Cannibal Chef teaching them gastronomy.

    “Would an advert for an entirely imaginary brand of cigarettes be a form of advertising?”

    Heh, one of the more psychopathically weird spin-offs of the craziness has actually been the invention of an imaginary brand, “Marlhaven Cigarettes,” that are portrayed on the tube nowadays when some drunken pedophile wife-beating murderer pulls out a pack for a smoke (although at least he’ll usually go outside so as not to offend the corpses who might be contaminated and object.)

    Smokers Against Discrimination came up with the absolutely perfect depiction of these people that Frank showcased just a month ago:

    https://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2016/01/04/mad-behavioural-psychologists/#comment-124510

    Yep. It’s time.

    I wasn’t sure if I’d actually written about this particular literary instance in Brains back in 2003, but yep, I did, and Mark Twain is probably spinning so fast in his grave right now that it’s drilled halfway to the Center of the Earth:


    In addition to pressuring current writers to conform in the creation of a politically correct fictional world for us to emulate, Antismokers are even creating an Orwellian revisionism for fiction writers of the past. While many of us are aware of how postage stamps and even some newspapers are air-brushing out offending cigarettes from images of famous people, very few are aware that even Mark Twain is sometimes having his work castigated in ways that would make him spin so fast in his grave that it should be airborne.
    In Twain’s classic Tom Sawyer, one of the bonding experiences that takes place between Tom Sawyer and his friends when they’re hiding out on the island and playing at being pirates is when they all try to smoke a pipe just like Huck Finn. Of course they all turn green and lose their cookies, but Twain had them later go on to try it again and decide they liked it. Granted, that’s not a message we’d ideally want our kids to get, but the idea of cutting it out of Twain’s writing, particularly given Twain’s attitude about do-gooders trying to censor things and control people, is outright infuriating. Ten years from now TV commentators may find themselves having to refer to “smokers” as the “S” word.

    Somewhere buried in the 6,000ish books I’ve got in various states of disarray around my extensive mansion (hah!) I’ve got a copy of Tom Sawyer with the smoking scene butchered out of it. Sad.

    :/
    MJM

  5. Joe L. says:

    R.I.P. Harper Lee, author of “To Kill a Mockingbird,” who passed away today at 89 years old. I’m sure we’ll hear that her death was smoking-related.

    I believe it’s because I don’t have a WordPress account but all the “img” tags I have posted previously have been deleted upon posting, so instead, here’s a link to a photo of the late Harper Lee smoking a cigarette.

    • Joe, I’ve had at least one, and I think two or three WP accts under my name and close variations when for some reason my original(s) weren’t recognized, and only once out of a dozen or so attempts was I ever able to get an image up properly. Dunno what the trick is. Usually I’ll be trying to upload one from my home computer…. but it just doesn’t work!

    • Smoking Lamp says:

      Umberto Eco also died today at 84. According to his obituary at the New York Times:

      “Able to deliver lectures in five modern languages, as well as in Latin and classical Greek, Mr. Eco crisscrossed the Atlantic for academic conferences, book tours and celebrity cocktail parties. Impish, bearded and a chain-smoker, he enjoyed bantering over cheap wine with his students late into the night at taverns in Bologna.”

      He was often seen in photos smoking…

      • nisakiman says:

        Only 84, eh? Another poor bastard cut down in his prime by the evil weed. They’ll doubtless add him to the millions who suffer premature death from smoking.

  6. Lepercolonist says:

    U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dies at 79:

    “A smoker of cigarettes and pipes, Scalia enjoyed baseball, poker, hunting and the piano. He was an enthusiastic singer at court Christmas parties and other musical gatherings, and once appeared on stage with Ginsburg as a Washington Opera extra.”

  7. waltc says:

    i was going to post this linnk as an OT but, considering the lead topic here, not. Smokers are already under a kind of western Sharia but here’s an hard view of the west’s future. If it really comes to pass-(and in PC Europe, is it really unlikely?) our noses, if not our heads, will be cut off. (And apparently not OT either, I wonder if my novel will be banned in Australia on account of all the smoking).. Now take a look at this news clip from Brussels:

    http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001

    • RdM says:

      Frightening stuff… thanks for that link (which I would never have seen otherwise).

      Then it reminded me of the Gates Of Vienna site, recently discovered.

      There are some very contemporary accounts of the refugees-in-europe there…

      But here’s a rather esoteric read, and some quite astonishing comments with links.
      (there’s a brainwashed “Cynthia in California” with migraines from smokers too ;-)

      http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/02/the-rape-of-europa-the-myth-that-became-reality/

      My head’s still swimming…

      I’d never heard of this chap before:
      But he’s evidently part of European Union history.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nikolaus_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi
      _
      and yet:
      Totaler Staat – Totaler Mensch (The Totalitarian State Against Man)
      “We are experiencing the most dangerous revolution in world history: the revolution of the State against man. We are experiencing the worst idolatry of all time: the deification of the state.” – Richard N. Coudenhove-Kalergi
      _

      I like this:
      “Where you recognize evil, speak out against it,
      and give no truces to your enemies.”
      — Viking Proverb

      • RdM says:

        I wish the edit/reply box was WYSIWYG.
        I dislike overhanging lines… I’ll just have to aim for shorter ones.

        But here’s another site from that article: http://www.paneuropa.org/

        And some more quotes: ;=})
        __
        “Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy,
        and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.”
        – Plato
        __
        “Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture
        will never be understood, let alone believed by the masses.”
        – Plato
        __

        Heartening stuff, aye?

        • RdM says:

          Actually I’d added “grin” in diagonal brackets, but it disappeared.
          No doubt an unrecognized html tag… (grin).

    • beobrigitte says:

      Walt, thanks for addressing this – they are anti-smoking, too.

      Whilst I am all for helping people I am dismayed that the State did NOTHING to the criminals on New Years Eve in Cologne…

      (At about 30 seconds in you might notice the non-smoking sign…. – right above the underground this young, screaming woman is carried into by this cowardly horde of dim wits)

      I sincerely hope these testosterone riddled, mental infants grab a daughter of one of the German Hells Angels….

      For Abu Imran (in the video) I have the cure, too. A sex change op. Let’s see if SHE spouts off after that.

  8. Victoria says:

    You are advertising “Pall Mall” cigarettes on this site.

    Please think of the children and remove.

    • Barry Homan says:

      Remove the children? We’ll start with you.

      • RdM says:

        I think, thought, it was just very dry humour, Barry… (grin>

        • As hinted at, very subliminally, by the name: Victoria(n). Yes, I think Vicky is one of us. Of course satire in the area of antismoking insanity is difficult to identify. When Glantz first came out with the Helena study I reassured people that it had to be an April Fool’s joke since it couldn’t POSSIBLY be serious AND the press release was dated April 1st.

          Really!

          – MJM

    • Joe L. says:

      Victoria has a point: 8/10 children prefer Marlboro to Pall Mall.

      • nisakiman says:

        When I was a child, we didn’t get those ‘Merican fags. My snout of choice when I was 10 or 11 was Park Drive Tipped, because they were cheap. Then Player’s brought out ‘No 10’, which were cheaper still, albeit the size of a toothpick. My preferred smoke when I could afford it in my early teens was Player’s Gold Leaf, or the occasional pack of Capstan Full Strength.

        However, these days, I’d agree that most children probably prefer Marlboro to Pall Mall.

    • slugbop007 says:

      My father smoked Pall Malls and Chesterfields. Died around age 84. Had four wives and 16 children. Or thereabouts. I was the first. I think.

      • nisakiman says:

        Heh! Respect! I can only claim three wives and four children. The man was a giant among men!

        • beobrigitte says:

          Or a nutter… (Sorry, Slugbopoo7) – feeding and clothing 16 kids? He must have had a lot of cash!
          I know this, I fed and clothed 3 kids at only half the cost – their dad did the rest.

          Boy, am I glad to never have been anyone’s wife. :)

    • beobrigitte says:

      You are advertising “Pall Mall” cigarettes on this site.

      Please think of the children and remove.

      Hahhahahahahahahahahahahhhhhaaaaaahhahahahahaha!!!!

      I like your sense of humour, Victoria!

  9. malagabay says:

    I see there are promoting pet-friendly hotels in Britain:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/articles/Top-10-the-best-pet-friendly-hotels-in-Britain/

    Are there any smoker friendly hotels in Britain?
    Are there even people friendly hotels in Britain?
    I’ve given up trying to find out….

    It’s so good to know that pets are more precious than people :-(

  10. igrowmyown says:

    Victoria go see an optician immediately the board is advertising Players Navy Cut and I always thought of my children and never allowed them more than 5 cigarettes a day until they were teenagers.

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    I can only imagine what a cigar store Indian would have done to the nazi health inspectors!

  12. RdM says:

    A wonderful site that deserves and rewards deep exploration is
    http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/

    Browse by brands, and for each there are pictures of labels, and read reviews.

    These are only pipe tobacco blends…

    These labels are works of art and history and culture that the talibans of tobacco control would destroy if they could, ignorantly and unthinkingly.

    For instance:

    http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/453/dunhill-early-morning-pipe

  13. slugbop007 says:

    My organic tobacco (Manitou) connection. Good prices. For me, at least. Live in Montréal, Canada. Shipping costs should be much lower for those of you living in Europe.
    https://pipe-shop.net/Shop/cgi-bin/his-webshop.cgi?t=kontaktform_en_new
    Owner: Lothar Wasko

    • nisakiman says:

      I just ordered a selection to try – about fifteen different brands. Good prices and good selection. I look forward to sampling them.

  14. slugbop007 says:

    PH=
    Phobic Homosapiens.
    I don’t think that our cave dwelling ancestors would have survived into the 21st Century if Ms Arnott and her gang of Phobic Homosapiens had been around at that time. They probably would have ran out of their caves at the first sign of smoke and been devoured by savage animals. On the other hand, it might have been a positive result for the evolution of the human species.

  15. harleyrider1978 says:

  16. harleyrider1978 says:

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Just got done with the kids truck,now its off to the body shop for final touch up and paint.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        somebody before he bought it had went to get some dirt in it and the bucket of the bobcat must have hit the bed as it was teeth marks gouged into it that messed it all up. No problem hit with a torch in 2 spots jack it and then bondo and sand til its close enuf. Let the pros take it from there.

  17. harleyrider1978 says:

    seems cameron lastnite put the fix in so the UK wont have a vote and the UK stays in the EU.

    • Rose says:

      No Harley, last night David Cameron got a few small concessions from the leaders of the other 27 countries in the EU to put before the British public and even those are yet to be ratified
      I have say that is was a depressing spectacle to see how hard a Britsh Prime Minister had to work to get even those.

      How the mighty are fallen and all without the public’s consent.

      If it hadn’t been for the rise of UKIP we wouldn’t be having a referendum even now.

      Still, this afternoons announcement in Downing Street fired the starting gun, the Referendum date is June 23 this year.

  18. Added note re: “Even ‘No Smoking’ signs might be deemed to ‘advertise’ smoking.”

    I’m not absolutely certain of this but I believe I once got hold of the guidelines used by the Smoke Free Films nutcases and found that they COUNTED No-Smoking signs as “instance of smoking” in their statistics because such signs fell under the general “tobacco or smoking-related material” in their definitions (along with ashtrays, cigarette butts, probably cigarette lighters although I don’t know about matches.

    – MJM

    • beobrigitte says:

      “Even ‘No Smoking’ signs might be deemed to ‘advertise’ smoking.”

      This is a tricky one.

      I do remember seeing ashtrays in e.g. pubs and they were unimportant. They didn’t make me wanting a cigarette. However, these $%&#-ing “No Smoking” signs everywhere DO make me want to light up.

      Solution: Kick TC out of our lives and smoking becomes unimportant again. Since the dictation (the public was NOT consulted!!!) I most certainly smoke MORE than before the ban.

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