Liberland

H/T smokingscot for Liberland. According to the Guardian, 7 square km Liberland came into existence as the world’s newest sovereign state in April this year,

In the week since Liberland announced its creation and invited prospective residents to join the project, they have received about 200,000 citizenship applications – one every three seconds – from almost every country in the world.

Prospective citizens are also offering Liberland their expertise in areas from solar power and telecoms to town planning and coin minting. “There is a spontaneous ordering taking place,” Jedlicka says. “People have planned the whole city in three days and others really want to move in and invest … what seemed like a dream now really looks possible.”

Liberland’s only stipulations are that applicants respect individual rights, opinions and private property, and have no criminal record or Nazi or Communist party background.

Jedlicka says: “The model citizen of Liberland would be [American founding father] Thomas Jefferson, which is why we established the country on his birthday. Citizens will be able to pursue happiness and this is the place where we can make this happen.”

Crucial to this flourishing, he believes, is fiscal policy. Liberland is the dream of a man whose earlier membership of the Czech Civic Democratic party and current loyalty to the Free Citizens party puts him firmly on the right. Staunchly anti-EU, Jedlicka says he has “pretty close relations” with the Swiss People’s party and “will meet with British politicians to discuss Nigel Farage’s plans to leave the EU”.

“Taxation will be optional and people will only finance specific development projects,” says Jedlicka. “We have to see how the foreign ministries react and we need to explain to them the kind of prosperity we can bring to the region. It will bring in money from all over the world: not only to Liberland, which would be a tax haven, but to the whole area. We could turn this area into a Monaco…

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Vit Jedlicka, the founder and President of Liberland, or the Free Republic of Liberland to give it its full title, explains how it started:

The key starting point would be to find a piece of land, unclaimed by any country, as was the case of this seven square kilometers of land along the Croatian and Serbian border. Croatia claimed that the territory belongs to Serbia but Serbia doesn’t want to rule over it, a difficult situation that has lasted for more than twenty years. This area along the west bank of the Danube River was basically abandoned by both of these countries. This made for an ideal place to start a country.

It’s not all been plain sailing:

Serbia’s ministry of foreign affairs called the creation of the country a “frivolous act,” while Croatia said it was a “virtual quip.” But after exactly seven months, Europe’s youngest nation—if you can call it that—survives. Liberland has a constitution, a flag, an anthem, and a motto…

Land usage aside, however, Liberland has an even more pressing problem—how to handle its potential citizenry. Right now, borders are closed and Liberland’s only house, supposed to become its parliament, remains empty. “The Croatian police is blockading our frontiers and stopping Liberlandians from entering their motherland,” Jedlička claims. The president himself says he has been twice detained by Croatian officers. “They always treated me like a president and released me quickly, but they were not so nice with the other settlers,” he says.

Clearly there wouldn’t be a smoking ban in Liberland. I occasionally dream of a little country like this: a country where you can, well,… sit in a bar and drink a beer and smoke a cigarette. A country with the absolute minimum of laws, rather than the absolute maximum. A country with an absolute minimum of taxation, rather than the absolute maximum.

In the past, when life got too oppressive in Europe, people just got into boats and sailed off to America, to found their own colonies with their own rules (or lack of them). Now America has gradually turned into another superstate with lots of taxes, and lots of rules and regulations. Where can you go to get away from it all?

The real problem these days is one-size-fits-all superstates like the EU.

We need more little countries like this, making their own rules. Why not give the Islamic State its own little 7 squ km state, in which they can chop each others’ heads off to their hearts’ content? Why not give smokers their own country, where smokers can smoke themselves to death?

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25 Responses to Liberland

  1. DP says:

    Dear Mr Davis

    There once were lots of little countries where people made their own rules.

    They were called pubs.

    DP

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Independant nations can only exist as long as you are strong enuf to defeat the bad guys.

      As soon as your prosperous then come the bad men to take away what you have built.

  2. jaxthefirst says:

    “Clearly there wouldn’t be a smoking ban in Liberland.

    I would hope not, but I wouldn’t be too certain. It seems that pretty much every “new” anything these days seems to automatically assume that it will have a smoking ban of some kind … or have you read anything specifically to the contrary??

    • nisakiman says:

      I would like to think that the statement “Liberland’s only stipulations are that applicants respect individual rights, opinions and private property…” would mean that you are free to do as you wish as long as it doesn’t impact detrimentally on anyone, but of course any statement of that nature is open to interpretation. If they ended up with a majority of people who were anti-smoking, respecting individual rights, opinions and private property could well be interpreted to mean bowing to majority opinion.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    Right Smack in the middle of where serbs,moslems and about every war over the last 200 years started…………The Balkans Powder Keg they call it.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Id say one of those small islands in the carribean would make a great small smokers nation about 60 square miles should do.

  4. John Watson says:

    Well I’ll be… Some time back I posted about the idea of the formation of a new state by those dissatisfied with the way things are, it got a mixed reception by other posters on this blog. I hope that the issues raised by Croatia can be sorted out, that the Free Republic of Liberland can live peaceably with their less than peaceable neighbours. One can only wish them well and see how it turns out.

  5. Lepercolonist says:

    If Liberlands must respect private property then a pub that allows smoking should not be a problem.

  6. Roobeedoo2 says:

    Idea: smokers should colonize the moon… Nobody would ever be made to step outside for a smoke ;)

    Other than that, I love my country just not the fuckwits that think they rule it.

    A smokers’ paradise, or ghetto on a powderkeg (as Harls’ puts it)? Is really what we want?

  7. nisakiman says:

    I occasionally dream of a little country like this: a country where you can, well,… sit in a bar and drink a beer and smoke a cigarette.

    You can do that here, Frank, in almost every bar in the country (although I’ve been told Athens polices the ban to a degree). However, they still tax alcohol and tobacco, albeit at a much lower rate than in the UK. That may well change, however, as tobacco and alcohol are easy targets for revenue raising, and Greece is desperate for funds.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Desperatiojn by governments for revenues is the fastest way to get them off their fucking high horse prohibitions and return to normal life. Its always what causes government to give up high duties and prohibitions MONEY!

      With 21 Trillion in debt America cant maintain stability at the Federal Level at its present rate of grant funding and tyrannical rule for much longer. Simply lowering the taxes,shutting down tobacco control and all the drug enforcement crap would cut 100s of billions from the budget and the returns in revenues would be in the 100s of billion over what they were wasting on outlawing and taxing everything to death.

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    Fakegate: The Obnoxious Fabrication of Global Warming

    Any speaker, any authority, any journalist or bureaucrat asserting the catastrophic danger of supposed man-caused global warming needs to be asked for their…

    By Peter Ferrara

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/03/01/fakegate-the-obnoxious-fabrication-of-global-warming/

    • nisakiman says:

      The BBC News website is awash with ‘Global Warming’ propaganda, including:

      LIVE COP21: Paris summit opens

      There are in addition to the ‘live’ feed, seven articles on ‘Climate Change’ heading the page.

      http://www.bbc.com/news

      Talk about overkill. They’re obviously getting desperate. This morning there was a headline about the ‘Thousands demonstrating all over the world demanding action on climate change’. What a load of bollocks. Astroturfers rounding up all the local useful idiots, more like.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Usually their hired college kids just to show up with a sign or the more radical groups paid to riot and burn cars.

  9. prog says:

    Any one else get the feeling that some governments probably wish that they hadn’t jumped on the fund raising climate change bandwagon?

    The anti smoking shite is clealry a very lucrative source of dosh and because a minority (albiet substantial) are only directly affected it’d being exploited to the absolute limit.

    But, and it’s a very big but, bullying everyone is a different kettle of fish.Obviously, a possible cause for debate here but, basically, but I reckon 99.9% of the First and Second World public don’t give a toss about things getting slightly warmer. Until that is, they will have to further dig in the pockets and be forced to seriously cut back on lifestyle choices.

    ‘Another 127 nations have made promises for Paris that increase the total emissions cuts by one-fourth. The cuts on the table in Paris, then, will leave the global economy, in rough terms, $1 trillion short every year for the rest of the century—and that’s if the politicians do everything right. If not, the real cost could double’

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/gambling-the-world-economy-on-climate-1447719037

    also

    http://www.lomborg.com/press-release-research-reveals-negligible-impact-of-paris-climate-promises

  10. beobrigitte says:

    Clearly there wouldn’t be a smoking ban in Liberland. I occasionally dream of a little country like this: a country where you can, well,… sit in a bar and drink a beer and smoke a cigarette. A country with the absolute minimum of laws, rather than the absolute maximum. A country with an absolute minimum of taxation, rather than the absolute maximum.
    Should Liberland turn out to be this, I’ll gladly move there!
    Imagine, no fear scaremongering on TV; Pubs that provide ashtrays for King Customer; minimal tax on the things we enjoy….. What better life could one wish for?

  11. smokingscot says:

    Another O/T.

    Seems a lot of people are having a flutter on a UKIP win at Oldham on Thursday.

    But a smaller number are betting very much larger amounts on Labour holding it.

    And no-one of consequence is betting on Tory, Liberal or Green

    http://www.williamhillplc.com/media/newsroom/media-releases/2015/oldham-by-election-upset-on-cards/

  12. nisakiman says:

    Looks like we’re entering phase two of the war on tobacco:

    An FCTC representative from Burundi, Godefroid Kamwenubusa, and a representative from the Comoros Islands, Chaibou Bedja Abdou, were both paid $3,000 (£2,000). A former representative from Rwanda, Bonaventure Nzeyimana, was paid $20,000. All three men deny taking bribes from BAT.

    Dr Vera Da Costa e Silva, from the WHO, said BAT “is irresponsible to say the least”.

    “It is using bribery to profit at the cost of people’s lives, simple as that,” she said.

    “BAT should be investigated by the government and should be punished accordingly.”

    ……

    The secret documents also show the company paid bribes to undermine anti-smoking legislation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34964603

    It seems to me to be highly unlikely that a large company like BAT would risk getting involved in any skulduggery, given the fallout that would ensue if they got caught. Their profits continue to increase despite the best efforts of TC, so why risk it?.

    It seems far more likely that this is a set-up by anti-smoking activists. But that’s just my personal opinion. Whatever, it will be another powerful weapon in the TC arsenal, whatever the results of the inquiry.

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    ROFLMAO!! No wonder DEB ARNOTT was losing it last week and no doubt she is behind this story trying to save her precious cancer UK grants and taxpayer money job………….It appears the UK government is at an end listening to TC in England.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/british-american-tobacco-accused-of-bribing-senior-politicians-to-sabotage-anti-smoking-laws-a6754961.html

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      And Deborah Arnott, chief executive of Action on Smoking and Health, said: “Panorama’s shocking evidence must be investigated without delay. If true, it is hard to imagine any more disgusting act for a British company than to pay decision makers in Africa to prevent legislation being passed to protect children and young people from a future of addiction, disease and premature death caused by smoking.”

      She added: “We will be writing to the Government to demand that a criminal investigation under the Bribery Act is launched at once.”

  14. harleyrider1978 says:

    Gary Kayser http://cigarhistory.info/Cigar…/History_1863-1877.html

    1860 US annual cigar consumption rises to 26 per person.

    (note: that is 4 per week for each adult male)

    1868 US Government establishes 8 hour day for government workers.
    (note: most factory and otheres were working 10-12 hour days)

    1880 Tobacco tax accounted for one-third of Federal revenue. 50% of the collections came from smoking and chewing tobacco, 40% from cigars and cheroots, 8% from snuff and less than 2% from cigarettes.
    (note: that is a lot of pipe tobacco being smoked)
    1880 Cigarette consumption rises to half billion against six billion cigars.
    (note: if each male smoker smoked two per day, that is about 62% of adult males)

    1889 Cigarette consumption more than 2,000,000,000 a four-fold increase in 8 years

    1895 40,000+ cigar factories in operation in the U.S

    1901 Six billion legal taxed cigars sold; Three and a half billion cigarettes.
    1905 US population has doubled since 1865. Cigar consumption has multiplied 7 times.

    1911 Statistically every man, woman and child in the US smoked 78 cigars and 108 cigarettes, chewed 2 1/2 pounds of chaw, smoked 1 3/4 pounds of pipe tobacco, and dipped 1/3 of a pound of snuff.
    (note: adult males did most of the consumption; but, were only about 30% of the population. thus, every male smoker consumed a LOT of tobacco products)

    CIGAR HISTORY 1863-1877 Pre-Golden Age A National Cigar…

    cigarhistory.info

  15. scot says:

    Meanwhile, the ludicrous spectacle of a BBC reporter doing ahis “climate Change / gobal warming” act with ashot of him on a beach being hammered by big breakers, as sure fire visual metaphor for the agenda peddled, they kinda fucked it up though as the final shot was on overhead pull-back from a helicopter… (sighs)

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