The Smoking Ban Destroyed Communities, UKIP MEP Says

BBC:

A UKIP MEP has told the party’s conference the ban on smoking in public places in England has “damaged more communities than the pit closures did”.

At a fringe meeting about which political party best spoke for the working class, Tim Aker said the 2005 ban had upped levels of hidden drinking by forcing people “to retreat inwards”.

It was evidence of a “bankrupt” Labour telling people “what to do and think”….

…Mr Aker, who lost to Labour by 800 votes in Thurrock in May, said Labour had “ceased to exist” as a party of working people, choosing to “lecture rather than represent them”.

Citing the smoking ban as an example of a policy that had hit C1 and C2 workers, he said: “They (Labour) say all the time, despite ignoring the facts, that it was the pit closures that destroyed all the communities.

“But I put it to you that the smoking ban has destroyed more communities than any any pit closure has done because when people don’t have a place to meet, a place to socialise, they retreat in.

“What sort of outcome is it to say ‘we don’t want you drinking and smoking, take it out of the licensed area’, and it goes all the way back to the homes where people are drinking and smoking more in front of their children.”

In contrast to Labour, he said, UKIP would stand up for working people by giving them more power over their lives.

“We are the ones that embrace the one concept that has helped working class voters more than the minimum wage, more than anything else – the greatest thing for the working class is democracy.”

Speaking to the BBC later, Mr Aker said the closure of pubs in many communities meant “there was no community left”. He insisted he did not mean to “belittle the hardships of those who lost their jobs in the pits” but sought to “draw a parallel between their closures and the closure of pubs”.

At least somebody is telling the truth, and the BBC is reporting it.

Related, via Chris Snowdon, a poll of voters:

smoking_room

I knew that UKIP voters want smoking rooms. I’m a bit surprised at the strength of support for them in other parties.

And completely O.T., can anyone tell me if nicotine is odourless or not?  I thought it was, and that vaping didn’t smell of anything much.

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20 Responses to The Smoking Ban Destroyed Communities, UKIP MEP Says

  1. jaxthefirst says:

    My understanding is that nicotine is both colourless and odourless, which is why the old anti-smoking whinge about things “stinking of nicotine” or being “nicotine stained” are factually incorrect.

    My experience is that electronic cigarette vapour is certainly not odourless. There may be some varieties that are, but all the e-cig vapour that I’ve ever encountered has had a rather sickly-sweet smell that lingers around even after the vaper has stopped vaping, so that walking into a room where someone’s been vaping is a bit like walking into a candy-floss factory on overdrive. There may be other vapour odours associated with other “flavours” (Mint? Real tobacco? Coffee?), but if so I can only assume that those flavours aren’t very popular (because I’ve only ever noticed the sickly-sweet smell), or perhaps they taste different, but still smell the same – a bit like the smell of the smoke from menthol and non-menthol cigarettes smells the same, although the taste is different.

    • Rose says:

      but all the e-cig vapour that I’ve ever encountered has had a rather sickly-sweet smell

      On holiday with a vaping enthusiast we walked in a line close behind him outside and tried to guess the flavour. We were almost invariably wrong but “a candy-floss factory on overdrive” is a very good description.

      That said, a friend of ours uses an e-cigar which has no smell at all, a great disappointment as I do miss the scent of cigars.

    • Frank Davis says:

      a candy-floss factory on overdrive

      Thanks for that. I’ve got an ecig, which I hardly ever use. But since I smoke, I realised that I had no way of telling whether ecigs had any smell or not. So had to ask.

      But I can’t remember what candy floss smells like either. It’s about 60 years since I tried any. And I don’t remember any smell at all. I just remember that it was quite difficult to eat candy floss, getting mouthfuls of nothing.

  2. harleyrider1978 says:

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Why did the Pope ask a congressional Male Page to sit on a block of ice………Because he and the president wanted a cold one after work.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    Profiled

    From Radio to Porn, British Spies Track Web Users’ Online Identities

    https://theintercept.com/2015/09/25/gchq-radio-porn-spies-track-web-users-online-identities/

  5. slugbop007 says:

    Worse than ‘1984’.

  6. Pat Nurse says:

    As soon as ASH heard this it pulled a fake stat our of the invisible air ( it claims harms others only if a smoker walks by) that said 72% of Ukip supporters support anti-smoker laws. ASH liars were pounced on immediately by Snowdon who showed the true figure of 30% of kippers who do not support choice for smokers but the vast majority do. Don’t forget, ASH is clearly paid to lie and Govt should not be funding liars. Hopefully more exposure of ASH as a dishonest political lobby group and not a charity will lead to more normal people, both smokers and non smokers, calling for an end to its funding for hate campaigns.

  7. Timothy Goodacre says:

    Anything that can be done to expose the lies of the Anti-smoking fascists is to be commended. I am fed up with being told how to conduct my life.!

  8. Jonathan Bagley says:

    I mix my own eliquid and add no flavouring. It is odourless and very cheap.

  9. Rose says:

    There is so much irony in this I don’t quite know where to start.

    Kerry McCarthy, vegan and nicotine consumer ( unless she has forsworn all nightshade vegetables too ) , being attacked by Brendan O’Neill, meat eater and presumably also a nicotine consumer, for comparing meat eaters to people who consume nicotine.

    Jeremy Corbyn isn’t a man of the people. He’s a man against the people
    Brendan O’Neill
    25 September 2015

    “McCarthy has also said, echoing Moz, that ‘meat is murder… which means, I suppose, that milk must be manslaughter’. Which turns even those who have milk on their cornflakes into sinners. You, me, everyone who eats steak or just likes a splash of milk in their coffee — that is, all normal people — are guilty of manslaughter in McCarthy’s warped worldview. And now she says meat should be demonised as much as cigarettes have been: ‘I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it.’

    In a Kerry McCarthyite world, perhaps we’d all have to eat our burgers outside, in the cold, with the sad smokers. And we’d be banned from eating sausages in a car with children. Every packet of meat — if you could find one — would have a massive warning on it: ‘Government Advice: This product used to be a happy hen, you son-of-a-bitch.’

    More ‘ordinary people’ in power? I’m struggling to think of anything less ordinary than believing that eating meat — one of life’s great pleasures, enjoyed by families across the land — is the same as sucking on nicotine
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/jeremy-corbyn-isnt-a-man-of-the-people-hes-a-man-against-the-people/

    Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson’s risk

    “While most people know that nicotine can be found in tobacco, low levels of the compound can be found in peppers, tomatoes and other members of the Solanaceae flowering plant family.”
    http: //www.cbsnews.com/news/eating-nicotine-containing-produce-like-peppers-tomatoes-may-lower-parkinsons-risk/

    And of course someone has to cook them

    “Many plants of the Solanaceae family, which includes the genus Nicotiana, of which the tobacco
    plant is a member, contain solanesol; particularly those that contain trace amounts of nicotine.
    These include the tomato, eggplant, potato, and pepper.

    The potential interference due to these sources is negligible, cooking being the only likely potential source of interference. An interference of this type would bias results high, overestimating the contribution of ETS to RSP.”
    http: //www.coresta.org/Recommended_Methods/CRM_52.pdf

    Treat meat eaters like smokers, warns Jeremy Corbyn’s new vegan farming minister Kerry McCarthy
    24 Sep 2015

    “Kerry McCarthy, MP for Bristol East, has irked the British farming industry with her veganism and vice presidency of the anti-hunting League Against Cruel Sports.

    In an interview with Viva!life, a magazine for vegans, she admitted she was a “militant” when it came to clamping down on meat consumption.

    She said: “I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it. ”
    http: //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/food/11887317/Treat-meat-eaters-like-smokers-warns-Jeremy-Corbyns-new-vegan-farming-minister-Kerry-McCarthy.html

    • smokervoter says:

      …with the sad smokers?

      Anyone who has been to a bar in SoCal lately knows that the real action is outside where the smokers (I’d say about a consistent 66% of the crowd) gather.

      I’m struggling to think of anything less ordinary than believing that eating meat — one of life’s great pleasures, enjoyed by families across the land — is the same as sucking on nicotine.

      He should have left those last seven words out. As anyone knows, after you’ve polished off a delightful double-cheese Whopper with a chocolate milkshake, a cigarette is the perfect finishing touch.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        I went by our wafflehouse today it had 6 cars for a Saturday crowd. Now its non smoking they are lucky to get 12 customers for weekend breakfast anymore. Staff has been cut by 2/3rds.

  10. smokervoter says:

    What a crowd of pear-shaped losers he draws. The passive-aggressive misanthropy positively oozes. That’s quite the power couple off to his right in the front row, too.

  11. Anja M. says:

    Absolutely!
    Here in Gemany, we were hit by a double whammy in 2002 and 2008:

    – first the Euro introduction in 2002, when many restaurant/ pub owners almost doubled their prices, like erasing “Deutsche Mark” from the menu and replacing it with ‘”Euro” – while the real exchange rate was 1.94 Deutsche Mark for 1 Euro.
    Like item x WAS 2 DM on 31 Dec 2001 = now IS 2 Euro (!) on 1 Jan 2002.
    I actually walked out of some restaurants after looking at the menu and I told them why I did so.

    – – many adjusted their prices downwards a few months later because the customers were staying away , but the damage was done – –

    – and then the smoking ban of 2008. Which did the rest. You already stopped going out much because it has become too expensive, and now you cannot even smoke? F** that. I am staying away.

    And it has stayed like that. I do not go out much. At all. And neither do my friends. We invite each other to our house, but we do not meet in restaurants and pubs. F*** paying expensive prices and not even being able to smoke.

    Well, I have been a vaper since Nov 2011, so I no longer smoke. But I stil do not go out. Unless it is to a vape meet in a vape friendly restaurant. Which feels just like going out before the ban :) Sit, talk, eat, drink, vape and be merry.

    Oh, whatever happened to being merry, in today’s politics? Nooo. don’t be merry.. it is not good for your health and remember the chiiiiiiidren…. . Bah!

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