Most Smokers Have No Plans to Quit

We’re being repeatedly told by the likes of ASH’s Deborah Arnott that 70% of smokers want to quit smoking. H/T Harley for this:

Most of the World’s Smokers Have No Plans to Quit

Most smokers 15 and older around the world aren’t even thinking about quitting, according to surveys of 21 countries that together make up more than half the world’s population. The data published today by the CDC show that, on average, three-quarters of smokers in the nations surveyed haven’t attempted to quit in the past year and have no intention of trying in the year ahead. In such countries as China, Indonesia, and Russia, it’s more than 80 percent.

world-keeps-on-smoking

So instead of 70% of smokers wanting to quit smoking, it’s more like 75% want to carry on smoking.

Which is much nearer my experience of the matter.

The truth always seems to be the opposite of what the zealots assert.

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21 Responses to Most Smokers Have No Plans to Quit

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    Their last attempt will be Bayonets in our backs. Of course we could always get our own Bayonets.
    With a short stretch of rope…………

  2. Smoking Lamp says:

    Another example of actual facts countering tobacco control propaganda…

  3. Jude says:

    I have no doubt, with the brainwashing of people world wide about smoking, that 70% of smokers “say” they want to quit. What they personally think or feel is and entirely different thing to what they “say” to zealots and nutters.

    I’ve done it many times myself, mostly because I couldn’t be arsed having a long involved conversation with a lunatic anti-smoker, just as I avoid long conversations with religious maniacs.

    It is also in my own interests to lie about quitting to anyone in any official capacity in my country, as smokers are discriminated against in many areas, such as finance, insurance, housing, employment and medical care. Would you tell your doctor you smoke if you knew you would receive sub-standard medical treatment, or worse no medical treatment until you prove you have quit? How about housing, would you tell a prospective landlord that you smoke, only to be refused housing or expected to pay extortionist rents because you are a smoker? What about applying for a job ?

    I could care less about ANTZ statistics, they live in a fantasy world, one that is rapidly falling apart.

    tick tock……..

  4. I wonder who slipped up and let that particular set of stats out of the hat. They usually can juggle such inconvenient truths away simply by rewording the questions or changing the data pool or statistical eyeglasses (One trick I ran across earlier today on Dr. Farsalinos’ THR site was particularly sneaky: they had two sets of similar data that they wanted to make look different. Sooo… for the first set they looked at deviations from the mean or somesuch while for the second set they used standard deviations. Both are valid ways of looking at data, BUT….. they cannot honestly be compared as portraying two sets of data side-by-side!

    The reason why these stats presented here are so unexpected is that Antismokers have long known and made scurrilous use of the propaganda “Bandwagon Effect” in their public pronouncements. By constantly saying, with their big money-driven loudspeakers, “Hey! Everyone ELSE is doing this! Therefore YOU should do this TOO!” (Antismokers are permanently stuck in childhood “Mom! All the OTHER kids are jumping off the bridge! Why can I jump too???”

    They’ve used that trick to ban smoking on college campuses, by making it appear for years that campuses EVERYWHERE were banning smoking and that parents were refusing to send their children to schools that encouraged “drug addiction” — while in reality the Antis only had from five to ten percent of US campuses nominally under their thumb. But by presenting the figures in such a way they encouraged new campuses to join in the bans that “so many other campuses are enjoying” — also while never mentioning that on most of those campuses examination of campus papers etc showed that the bans were very poorly appreciated, observed, or enforced.

    What was IMPORTANT to them was the PERCEPTION… because it was that perception that drove new campuses to simply surrender without a fight. Their plan is to get over 50% under their rule and then push for some kind of universally dictated rule “since most campuses already agree.”

    Then, once they’ve got THAT then they can go back and start the nasty job of enforcing the bans, firing resistant professors and expelling resistant students. What would have caused an uproar if they’d started out doing that at the beginning can then be presented as “just tidying up what we’ve had all along. After all, there’s certainly no turning the clock back, right?”

    – MJM

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      You forget mike Obama said if they didn’t they’d lose grants and government contracts. Its all in a 2010 HHS threat to make them all go smoke free. It didn’t matter the propaganda employed they used threats to make it happen likely the same threats used on any thing these Nazis want to force someone to do or even businesses.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        I’d even add the threat to whole states of losses in federal fundings to states if they didn’t pass statewide bans.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Colleges being forced to go smokefree by Obama Administration

          The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced an initiative to ban smoking from college campuses last month. This is part of the HHS goal to create a society free of tobacco-related disease and death, according to their action plan released by the HHS in 2010.

          Colleges who fail to enact campus-wide smoking bans and other tobacco-free policies may soon face the loss of grants and contracts from the HHS, according to the plan. Western receives grants through a subdivision of the HHS called the National Institutes of Health, Acting Vice Provost for Research Kathleen Kitto said.

          http://www.westernfrontonline.net/news/article_f8068f12-0efe-11e2-8b41-001a4bcf6878.html?success=1

          Obama administration to push for eliminating smoking on college campuses

          Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/11/obama … z29zJ2V2TV

          President Barack Obama has already promised not to smoke cigarettes in the White House. If his administration has its way, American college students will soon be required to follow suit while they’re on campus.

    • Frank Davis says:

      What was IMPORTANT to them was the PERCEPTION

      I think perception is the only thing that has ever mattered to them all along. They set out to to get people to perceive secondhand tobacco smoke as being dangerous for everyone. But that was only after they’d got firsthand smoke to be perceived as being dangerous for smokers themselves. And these days they’re hard at work getting vaping to be perceived as being as dangerous as smoking. And their chums in the climate alarm brigade are working hard to get carbon dioxide perceived to be a danger to the entire planet. The reality is always irrelevant, They don’t actually do any science, but they very much want to be perceived as being scientists.

      They’re illusionists. They’re very good at pulling rabbits out of hats. Everything they do is to create some sort of illusion.

      In the end, the entire vast edifice of illusion will collapse. People will stop believing anything they say. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if most people no longer pay any attention to them.

      My only question is how much we are being told generally about everything entails some sort of trick.

      • Frank Davis says:

        zerohedge

        Perception is everything in contemporary economics and the Fed is the center of perception; the medium has become the message.

        This is not gratuitous Fed bashing, but rather an observation directed at where the esteemed institution sits in the global economy and how it positions itself in the narrative. Though it must pose as an erstwhile body of best-in-class econometric modelers and policy wonks applying its findings to optimize sustainable economic demand; the Fed is, in reality, an erstwhile cabal of respected theoretical extrapolators jerry-rigging credit rates to fit a public narrative it also creates.

  5. slugbop007 says:

    This is going on in Singapore right now:
    http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/regular-checks-smoking-hot-spots-nea
    Snitching as a way of life. Possibly even remuneration or a gold star from the Chief Health Fascist.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Pluseek Lynn I believe is in Singapore or close by. On fb I get constant updates on that place. Why its such a Nazi state I don’t understand but it appears nobody pays attention much to the ban there even with possible prison times. There’s just that much smoking culture there.

      • Bemused says:

        That article is over a year old. Yes Singapore extended the banned locations, bus shelters, covered walkways etc but it is almost universally ignored. Every bar and restaurant caters for smokers. Some upper class hotels like the grand Hyatt and the Swiss hotel have nice indoor smoking areas. You are not allowed to bring drinks into the smoking areas but guess what, universally ignored.

  6. jaxthefirst says:

    I guess it makes sense, really. ASH and co have been citing that 70% figure (or thereabouts) for about the past 20 years or so, and in that time the number of smokers has dropped – probably because a lot of that 70% who wanted to give up at the start of the 20 years have now done so. Ergo the remaining smokers almost certainly come from the original 30% who didn’t want to give up, and (as they’re still smoking) presumably still don’t. It’s one of the reasons why politicians are plain daft for continuing to pump public money into anti-smoking campaigns and anti-smoking campaign groups; it’s a classic case of diminishing returns.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Jax it openly destroys TCs Propaganda machine in its tracks. Im starting to think somebody in its own way is finally fighting back to end the madness. But in an indirect way where they don’t come str8 out and deny most of TCs junk science claims as of yet.

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    No vote on county smoking policy? Gutless | Turkeys and Trophies

    http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/no_vote_on_county_smoking_poli.html

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    City reminds businesses, patrons of smoking ordinance

    Posted: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:00 pm | Updated: 6:00 am, Sat Sep 19, 2015.

    Megan Banta, GOVTRACKER | 0 comments

    Following a number of reported violations, the city is giving businesses and patrons a reminder of the ban on smoking in public places and places of employment.

    Bloomington became a smoke-free community in 2003 when the city council passed the smoking ordinance, which is intended to protect the public health and welfare of the community from health hazards caused by breathing secondhand smoke

    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/news/local/city-reminds-businesses-patrons-of-smoking-ordinance/article_277ad4b4-1c5a-5049-beb0-c9c5cc8ddfb6.html

  9. Frank Davis says:

    probably because a lot of that 70% who wanted to give up at the start of the 20 years have now done so.

    Longer than that. 30 or 40 years ago I remember that quitting smoking was a regular topic of conversation. But not now. Anyone who is smoking now is somebody who has no intention of quitting smoking. There’s no need to ask.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      The ACS has it set up at all hospitals and walk in type clinics to ask the question DO YOU SMOKE,THEN HOW MUCH,THEN ETC ETC…………I simply tell em none of your damn business. Then usually a nurse that’s a Nazi will say its a state law we have to ask and then I say SHOW ME SUCH A LAW………..Then they shut up and leave you the fuck alone. All those questions are nothing but set ups so the ACS can use the info for propaganda purposes as we all already know and how Mike so beautifully explained to us all above how it works………

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Brother and sis inlaw were sick last Monday by Thursday I had it!

    stomach type bug with sinusitis besides feeling real queezy all over lasting about 4-5 days.

    I am so damn sick of being sick from stupid shit……….If somebody sneezes its like Im a glue factory collecting it. Problem is I don’t even go anywhere they bring it to me from Nashville and their kids. Same with the wife and he cleaning business at older folks houses. Then the Bingo hall full of it………..Usually about 2-3 days after we went to bingo Id get something or else I wouldn’t. But if I did the next week all of a sudden you hear about everybody that’s been down with this or that. Why don’t sick people stay home!

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