More Meddling Rather Than Less

I think Ron Paul got it almost right:

The reason so many are fleeing places like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq is that US and European interventionist foreign policy has left these countries destabilized with no hopes of economic recovery. This mass migration from the Middle East and beyond is a direct result of the neocon foreign policy of regime change, invasion, and pushing “democracy” at the barrel of a gun…

Here is the real solution to the refugee problem: stop meddling in the affairs of other countries.

Well, there probably wouldn’t be a refugee problem if we hadn’t meddled. But that’s in the past. Stopping meddling now won’t solve the immediate refugee problem.

But that aside, in the face of headlines like this,

Britain pledges to help thousands of refugees – but rich Arab states have taken in NONE

I expect to see more headlines like this:

Britain wants to quit Europe: Shock new poll shows EU ‘no’ camp ahead for the first time as Cameron prepares to face down Tory rebels

If a referendum was held tomorrow, 51 per cent would vote to leave the EU

The threat of a tidal wave of immigrants “of biblical proportions” , along with calls by Angela Merkel for EU partners to share the migrant burden, looks set to divide Europe’s elites, and make Britons more rather than less likely to vote to leave Europe. Immigration was already a big issue in Britain before the latest tidal wave started, and looks set to become an even bigger issue.

The EU is already struggling, largely thanks to the failure of the eurozone. Now, on top of all its unemployment, it’s being asked to absorb countless thousands of unemployed and unemployable Muslim immigrants (complete with murderous IS infiltrators), so changing the entire character of the continent. Something is likely to snap.

Everywhere the political divide is going to be between those (mostly on the left) who are more than willing to absorb millions of immigrants – precisely because they want to destroy traditional culture and replace it with a ‘multicultural society’ -, and those (mostly on the right) who wish to preserve the traditional culture and values of their various European countries.

The problem is worse for the European mainland than it is for an offshore island like Britain, which doesn’t actually have a ‘border’. If Britain so decides, it can raise the drawbridge across the English channel, and slow immigration to a trickle.

But since the problem has been caused by destabilising a number of Middle Eastern and North African states, the long term solution can only be to re-stabilise these failed states, and in due course return the refugees that are now fleeing them. And that will almost certainly entail more meddling rather than less.

In fact, maybe a lot more meddling. Fifty years after Europe gave up most of its colonies, it should perhaps now begin to consider re-colonising a few of those regions it so precipitately abandoned – something with which I recently found myself agreeing with Chris Mounsey (aka the Devil) and his 10-year-old essay on Recolonising Africa.

At one point the tribal elders were all gathered in a big tent with Cook sitting at a table in the front.

“What can we in Britain do for you? Ask us and I am sure that we will everything in our power to provide it.”

The chiefs went into a huddled discussion discussion with lots of waving arms and nodding heads and a couple of minutes later one, rather impressive old man stood up as their representative.

“We have thought about this before this time Minister, and we agree. We would like Britain to recolonise our land.”

Cook spluttered out something like, “Ach, that’s not possible, ask something else.”

“Then leave your army here for as long as you can,” was the reply.

I don’t expect any EU leaders to suggest anything like this, of course – they’re obviously already far too busy meddling in Ukraine.

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18 Responses to More Meddling Rather Than Less

  1. Frank Davis says:

    Independent

    Why are so many of these states falling apart now and generating great floods of refugees? What internal flaws or unsustainable outside pressures do they have in common? Most of them achieved self-determination when imperial powers withdrew after the Second World War. By the late 1960s and early 1970s, they were ruled by military leaders who ran police states and justified their monopolies of power and wealth by claiming that they were necessary to establish public order, modernise their countries, gain control of natural resources and withstand fissiparous sectarian and ethnic pressures.

    These were generally nationalist and often socialist regimes whose outlook was overwhelmingly secular. Because these justifications for authoritarianism were usually hypocritical, self-interested and masked pervasive corruption by the ruling elite, it was often forgotten that countries like Iraq, Syria and Libya had powerful central governments for a reason – and would disintegrate without them.

  2. Tony says:

    What disturbs me is that these ‘refuges’ are mostly young men. Not what you’d expect of refugees from war zones. That suggests that many are either economic migrants or jihadists. Such jihadists would be battle hardened to the extent that even our best, crack troops could not match. Why hang around getting bombed when you can head for the EU and then regroup with arms from the black market?

    ISIS claim to have sent 4,000 already which sounds plausible.

    Merkel plans 800,000 refuges for Germany alone. Madness. And once given German (EU) passports, they could move anywhere in the EU including Britain.

    Doesn’t the sight of those columns of refugees remind anyone of how the Japanese invaded Singapore (on bicycles) during the second world war????

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      We see how easy it is to import bootleg tobacco anywhere in the EU imagine the same with weapons of war for mass jihadist armies of 10,000 or more in precise locations in countries all over the EU………….

  3. junican says:

    Without any definite knowledge, I think that the artificial dividing up of the middle east into artificial countries was a terrible error. Geographic groups of Islamic tribes would have been a much better way to group countries. By ‘Islamic tribes’, I do not mean to be disrespectful. I mean the situation as it existed in the immediate aftermath of WW2.
    I think that ‘countries’, such as Iraq and Iran, are artificial. What is important in those regions is the Big Cities. They are like Italy only about 150 years ago – city states. Collecting them together into artificial groups was always likely to produce disaster.
    It seems obvious to me that they should be allowed to fight it out amongst themselves. If the consequence is an ‘Islamic State’, embracing most of the Middle East, then IS would have to adopt reasonable and rational policies to govern its territory.
    Are the USA and allies bombing the wrong people? Perhaps they should be getting rid of Assad.

    • margo says:

      Get rid of Assad? Oh, I’m sure they will – that’s always been part of the Great Plan. (I’m not sure they reckoned with all these migrants, though!)

  4. Cecily Collingridge says:

    ISIS banned smoking and it’s brutally enforced. Has this contributed to the numbers fleeing?

  5. kin_free says:

    I have the same concerns as Tony – the overwhelming majority of these refugees are young, fit, fighting age men. Why are these young men coming here instead of back home protecting their own wives and children, aged parents, younger siblings, etc?
    Has anyone NOT heard the old story of the Trojan Horse?

    Is this article relevant or just alarmist?;
    http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/#lvF1feAmlsYmRdyd.99
    “This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis.’ This is a hijrah.”
    Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad.
    “To emigrate in the cause of Allah – that is, to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there, is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act,”

  6. garyk30 says:

    Heavens, there are 100,000 coming across the Mex/USA border every year, illegally!

    I believe over 1 million Irish migrated during the Potato Famine years.

    Hundreds of thousands of Americans migrated to our West during the 19th century and the 20th too.

    Gold strikes have made for the migration of many thousands too.

    Millions of Blacks were ‘migrated’ from Africa over a period of years.

    Migration is rather common.

  7. garyk30 says:

    changing the entire character of the continent. Something is likely to snap.

    Has not that been happening since the Romans went North and the Vikings came South?

    • Rose says:

      Yes, Gary, the Romans, Saxons, Vikings and the Normans did launch savage invasions some of them several times, and in our case some of them succeeded in ruling the entire country.

      “The Harrying of the North refers to the brutal slaughter and pillaging of Northumbria in 1069-1070 by the army of William the Conqueror. This is thought to have been devastating to the extent that 100,000 people starved to death.”

      https://www.durhamworldheritagesite.com/history/normans/william-conquest/harrying-of-the-north

      “The Harrying may have had the desired effect but there is evidence to suggest that William may have deeply regretted the severity of his actions. According to Orderic, William bared all on his deathbed:

      “I persecuted the native inhabitants of England beyond all reason. Whether nobles or commons, I cruelly oppressed them; many I unjustly disinherited; innumerable multitudes, especially in the county of York, perished through me by famine and sword…I am stained with the rivers of blood that I have shed.”
      – See more at: http://www.historyinanhour.com/2010/06/17/the-harrying-of-the-north-a-great-medieval-massacre-1069/#sthash.t4A1YAsA.dpuf

      And that was just the Normans, yes, there is plenty of slaughter and bloodshed in the history of England, but in the past we did try to fight the hordes off and sometimes we won.

      Boudica
      “Boudica led a revolt against the Roman rule of Britain in AD 60-61. She was Queen of the Iceni people, a British tribe who lived in what is today Norfolk and parts of Suffolk and Cambridgeshire. Her correct name is Boudica, which means ‘Victoria’, and not Boudicea.

      Seventeen years after the Romans conquered southern England (AD 43) Boudica led a rebellion by native Britons against their Roman rulers. Her husband, Prasutagus, was ruler of the Iceni people. The Romans allowed Prasutagus to continue as king, ruling on their behalf. When Prasutagus died, the Romans decided to rule the Iceni directly and they confiscated the property of the leading Iceni families.

      The Romans are also said to have stripped and whipped Boudica and raped her daughters. These actions and the Britons’ resentment of the Romans caused Boudica to lead a revolt. Members of other tribes probably joined her. Her warriors successfully defeated one Roman army and destroyed the capital of Roman Britain, which was then Colchester. Later her armies went on to destroy London and Verulamium (St Albans). Finally, she was defeated by a Roman army led by Caius Suetonius Paullinus. Many Britons were killed and Boudica probably killed herself with poison.”
      britishmuseum.org

      changing the entire character of the continent

      Having such things forced upon us doesn’t mean we have to like it.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Has not that been happening since the Romans went North and the Vikings came South?

      Gary, this made me laugh. Last Friday I was treated to a meal (Fillet Mignon with all the trimmings) and after the first bottle of red (rather nice, I must comment) we somehow ended up talking about our genetic heritage.
      I had to think for a bit and in the end summed it up:
      “The Viking genes (very blonde/strawberry red hair + the attitude to people crossing us once) comes from my father. The “pass-me-a-crowbar-I-need-to-explain-something-to-my-opponent” I attribute to the Visigoths. The enjoyment of Arts and debates could indicate that a Roman occupier might just have infiltrated my mother’s side of the family when the Gallic ancestors weren’t looking….”
      If I add the offspring of mine + that of my siblings it gets worse. They can add Canadian, Native American, American and Brazilian genes.
      I guess there is a nomadic streak in my family….

      Fact is, my ancestors emigrated to somewhere else and there met someone else outside a large number of people doing the same. And, they appear to have integrated into the community they entered. (Apart from the Vikings/Romans/Goths – but then these ancestors were most likely imposed on my family.)

      That does remind me; in the last few days Cameron had to answer a few questions when it happened that 2 British citizen who joined IS were killed in an attack.
      I am surprised that no-one pointed out the obvious: these two British citizen would not have hesitated to kill British people!
      Instead the war against smoking and smokers/sugar/salt/alcohol etc. etc. etc. rages on.

      In order to unite people something’s got to give. I wonder what.

  8. c777 says:

    This is just the beginning of course.
    I see the very real danger of western Europe becoming like Kosovo but on a larger scale.
    The EU couldn’t organise a p*ss up in a brewery.
    And now they’re poking the Bear with a sharp stick again.
    The only conclusion I can reach is Europe’s leadership in general, with the exception of a few, is actually certifiably insane.

  9. beobrigitte says:

    The threat of a tidal wave of immigrants “of biblical proportions” , along with calls by Angela Merkel for EU partners to share the migrant burden, looks set to divide Europe’s elites, and make Britons more rather than less likely to vote to leave Europe.
    Hasn’t Britain already got it’s own immigration problem – and an increasing number of disgruntled lorry drivers? The fact that the BBC does no longer send its reporters to Calais does not mean the crowd of migrants has miraculously disappeared.
    The Italians still pick up migrants in dingies at their coast line.
    The Bulgarians and Hungarians despair – their economical set up caused the migration of their own people.
    The individual states that used to make up Yugoslavia are still struggling.
    The Greek are struggling.
    The Belgians are rather patient.
    Not too sure about the Dutch and the Danish.
    The Swedish are rather patient.
    The French are cautious.

    And so on
    So, where exactly do we place these by now millions of additional people? HOW are we all funding this ?long term stay?

    The EU is already struggling, largely thanks to the failure of the eurozone.
    Indeed. I have noticed over the years that the standard of living has dropped in Germany. And I have met on my travels quite a number of disgruntled people.

    Now, on top of all its unemployment, it’s being asked to absorb countless thousands of unemployed and unemployable Muslim immigrants (complete with murderous IS infiltrators), so changing the entire character of the continent. Something is likely to snap.
    Here I have to say that a number of immigrants in Germany have converted to Christianity. Be it to further their cause (a muslim will be condemned to death for doing so if sent back to e.g. Syria) or be it – as a protestant priest in Dresden noticed on his weekly mass visitors – genuine.
    However, this does not solve the employment problem.
    Then, the IS infiltrators… We all know by now that IS is as well funded and structured as the anti-smoking lobby.
    Whilst very few people see through the lies of the anti-smokers, the mass media has done it’s best to show as much as it can about IS. (Women’s lib and Labour are awfully quiet about speaking up for me to the radical cleric preachers living and preaching in Britain….)
    People are bound to become restless…

    Every cloud has a silver lining, though. Imagine Tobacco Control et al demanding to extend the smoking ban, or the experts bleat about e.g. sugar and salt.
    Which political party has the backbone to say: “Fuck off – we now have a REAL problem!!!” ?

  10. slugbop007 says:

    The geopolitics of the past sixty years or so makes it very difficult for most countries to disentangle themselves from this mess. They created it and they gained much from it, but now it is blowing up in their faces. That is probably why they spend so much time and money harping on more trivial matters, they are so much easier to deal with.

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