Government Rules Out Smoking Ban Extension

The Royal Society for Public Health has called for smoking bans to be extended outdoors:

The public smoking ban should be extended to beer gardens, al fresco eating areas of restaurants, parks, and outside school gates, a report says.

The Royal Society for Public Health said smoking should be seen as “abnormal” and more controls are needed to cover areas where people gather.

The proposal has received a mixed reception:

The initiative has had a mixed review, even from vapers. Breitbart London spoke to Lorien Jollye of the New Nicotine Alliance, a registered charity that is promoting the informed use of electronic cigarettes. She told of why she welcomed, from health professionals, a “positive attitude to electronic cigarettes” and recognition that “nicotine ‘addiction’ has no negative behavioural aspects”. But she has sympathy for tobacco smokers.

She suggested that “smokers may become more unreachable” and even went as far as saying this is an example of anti-smoking “dehumanisation” which will only “increase antagonism towards smokers and possibly even vapers.”

Simon Clark of smoking rights group FOREST said on his blog ““While it makes sense to encourage smokers to switch from combustible cigarettes to electronic cigarettes, public health campaigns should be based on education not coercion and prohibition.

Chris Snowdon:

If you have a belief in anything approaching a free society, you will appreciate that it is not the job of government to decide what is normal, and it is certainly not the job of the police to enforce such opinions. One in five people smoke, so it is clearly common enough to be described as normal, but even if it was much less prevalent, it would not – or, at least, should not – be a matter for the police. A state that persecutes people because they are in a minority is on the road to fascism.

Chris Snowdon (again):

It should now be clear to anyone who still needs confirmation that secondhand smoke was only ever the excuse, rather than the reason, for the 2007 smoking ban.

Its real objective, indeed the objective of all anti-smoking policies, was to harass, stigmatise and inconvenience smokers.

This is a system known as ‘denormalisation’ in the field of tobacco control and as ‘fat-shaming’ in the field of obesity. Since passive smoking was only ever a cover story, it should be no surprise that the smoke-free crusade has continued long after nonsmokers were given the whole of the country’s interior.

Anti-smoking campaigners get annoyed when people accuse them of being prohibitionists. They don’t want smoking banned completely, they will protest, and in a way this is true. There are only two places they want smoking banned: indoors and outdoors. Apart from that, smokers can do whatever they want.

Nigel Farage:

WILL these puritans ever stop? I am trying to enjoy a mid-August break away from current affairs and politics.

And I was feeling quite chirpy until I heard about the RSPH proposing a ban on smoking outside pubs, in beer gardens and, I presume, in smoking shelters too.

These have all cost those in the pub trade money to invest in and maintain. They allow pubs to keep the custom of at least some smokers. This move towards abolishing smoking around pubs completely would mean that investment and custom would be damaged hugely.

And whatever happened to freedom of choice?

These people have already succeeded in closing down thousands of UK pubs. In many cases they were community hubs and meeting places for lonely people.

And in many ways every pub is a parliament. It is in the local pub that we discuss whether the town needs a bypass, whether the England football manager is any good and how we will vote in the upcoming EU referendum.

Pubs are where communities can get together to socialise and enjoy life a bit. Yet it seems some people are determined to restrict our freedom even more.

Take away the pub and many people’s access to a proper social life disappears.

I’m sure many Sun readers will know pubs in their local area that have had to shut down thanks to the effect that the indoor smoking ban has had.

Now extending that ban to outside the pubs would be yet another blow to an industry that is already struggling.

The latest estimates from the Campaign for Real Ale are that 29 pubs are closing every week. It is a sad statistic that, if the puritans get their way, will only get worse.

There are lots of things in life that are bad for you, the current obesity epidemic being a very good example.

If these campaigners succeed in stopping us smoking outside pubs I will never visit one again in my life.

And I’m sure millions of other people will feel the same.

Such a ban would be very bad news indeed for those of us who enjoy pubs as a crucial part of community and where we can enjoy a drink and a smoke with friends and neighbours.

But now, H/T Smokingscot, the government has ruled out an extension of the smoking ban:

There is “no plan” to extend the public smoking ban to pub gardens, the Department of Health has told the PMA.

There there will not even be a consultation on the proposals set out in a report by the Royal Society of Public Health.

I seem to remember them ruling out plain packaging before caving in to the zealots.

But given that most of the support for the UK smoking ban was to be found among Labour and Lib Dem MPs. with 90% of Labour MPs and 95% of Lib Dem MPs voting for the ban, while only 35% of Conservative MPs did so, now that we have a Conservative government (and both Labour and Lib Dems are still reeling from their election catastrophes) it should be much easier for proposals of this sort to be shrugged off by true Conservatives. They had to pretend to go along with various insanities while there was a coalition government, but now they have a free hand.

And in fact, after the May election there was quite a lot of talk in Conservative circles of lifting the 2001 fox hunting ban, until the Scottish Nationalists said they wouldn’t let that happen.

Anyway, like Nigel Farage, if these campaigners do eventually succeed in stopping us smoking outside pubs, I too will never visit one again in my life. Something like 17% of UK pubs have closed since 2007, and the number would rise dramatically if people aren’t even allowed to smoke outside them. From my current experience, at the moment something 50% or more of pub-goers are smokers who will either be found smoking outside, or who will pop out from inside for a smoke.

Quite unprompted by me, Reinhold in Bavaria has recently taken to translating parts of some of my posts into German on Facebook. And now I have even been given my own little place in Netzwerk Rauchen: Frank Davis auf Deutsch.

It’s a great honour. I must add my new German alter ego to my blogroll.

My only slight reservation, as I remarked in a recent email to Reinhold, was to be described as energischer – “energetic”. For as the author of the Least Action Idle Theory, I hardly see myself as being at all energetic. Reinhold suggested that energisch might also be translated as “forceful, emphatic, resolute”, and perhaps even has a touch of “angry”. You be the judge.

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62 Responses to Government Rules Out Smoking Ban Extension

  1. roobeedoo2 says:

    ‘Simon Clark of smoking rights group FOREST said on his blog ““While it makes sense to encourage smokers to switch from combustible cigarettes to electronic cigarettes, public health campaigns should be based on education not coercion and prohibition.’

    Simon Clark can stick it up his arse. We’ve had the education already and look where it’s gotten us. Give them an inch and they will take always try to take the mile. Smoker > Vaper is still X-Smoker, ripe for the seeds of Righteousness.

    To be honest, I don’t think you’ve been at all idle, Frank. It’s hard work posting a blog every day. You may not think so but billions of people would disagree. I find it easy to talk about smoking face to face with people but I would never be able to do that if it hadn’t been for you and your commentator’s hard work in making this site an invaluable resource on smoking news, information and technical links.

    We’re all doing our bit, I’m sure. We’re in Indignation…

    • Frank Davis says:

      It’s hard work posting a blog every day.

      No, it’s not. I thought it would be hard work when I started, but it turned out to be quite easy.

      To explain, I should tell you that I’ve (hand-)written a journal for most of my life, in which I’ve written about whatever happened to be on my mind. Some days I’d write next to nothing, and some days I’d write thousands of words.

      Was it “hard work” writing my journal? No, it wasn’t. In fact it wasn’t “work” of any sort at all. It was what I wanted to do, and work is something I don’t want to do, because work is what somebody else wants me to do.

      Writing my blog is really just like writing my journal. It’s an extension of writing a journal. The only real difference is that I publish this part of my journal on the internet. Most people wouldn’t be interested in my ordinary journal, but when it comes to things like smoking bans, quite a few people are interested in what I have to say. So I publish the stuff that they’ll be interested in. And while I remain concerned about things like smoking bans, I’ll write about them. If I don’t write about them publicly, I’ll write about them privately.

      The only time it gets hard is when my mind is a blank and I can’t think of anything to say. But if it gets hard to think of something to write publicly, it almost certainly means that I can’t think of anything to write privately in my hand-written journal. But I don’t feel that I have to write in my private journal. And I don’t think I have to write in my public journal – my blog – either.

      Hope that makes sense!

    • Pat Nurse says:

      I’m with you Roobedoo2. I’m just about fed up of the condescending pity coming from vapers when the vaping stooges have for years been bashing us to promote their toys as “saving lives” and even as a arm-twisiting new little method of forcing smokers to quit. I don’t say Lorien does that but she’s so bloody patronising and Simon Clark needs to make up his mind who Forest is now fighting for. Vapers are not smokers and vice versa so I wish eciggers would stop claiming the moral high ground or authority to speak for us. Vapers are simply turning us into third class citizens to be pitied and instead of fighting pro-actively, Forest is giving away ground each time, expects smokers to adapt, or thinks they’re swivel eyed if the issue matters more than anything else, and now, it seems, seeks to promote ecigs over smoking too or has fallen into the trap of doing so. Today’s righteous vapers were yesterday’s apologist and ashamed smokers who shafted us far more than tobacco control for decades. In fact without them, TC would never have gained so much ground. Now they are still shafting us and handing ammo to TC to beat us with. Their fight is not our fight, as they kept reminding me when I was active on this issue, and yet they expect unqualified support from smokers while giving only qualified and selective support back to smokers. I’ve gone underground now. They can all fuck off.

  2. Lepercolonist says:

    I think of you as resolute. You are my lightning rod.

    • jaxthefirst says:

      Ditto. Your blog is my sanity-saver, my consolation and my company “outside” the confines of my own home and hearth. In many ways, you and your merry band of commenters offer me the only opportunity, apart from my long-suffering OH, to enjoy a good chat and a smoke at the same time – something which I used to enjoy in all sorts of settings before 2007 but which has now been rendered all but impossible. I think that in many ways, the Internet has taken the place of the pub – certainly for smokers, and probably for a lot of non-smokers, too, with increasing restrictions on where, how and if you can have more than a thimbleful of beer in a night, and with most of the decent people standing outside most of the evening, leaving to go outside mid-conversation (usually taking the conversation with them), or missing completely.

      I too share your scepticism about promises from the Government of any kind. Wasn’t it Cameron who said, on first being elected last time, that “we have no intention of revisiting the smoking ban,” and who then just a few short years later “revisited” it in the form of the vehicle ban (from which vote he was, curiously, absent), and, as you point out, then voted in favour of plain packaging. But as you say, without the hindrance of the (non) Liberals around his neck and with the support of some fresh-faced (hopefully, more business-friendly) new Tory MPs on the block, elected post-ban with all the unfortunate consequences to the hospitality and leisure industries there in glorious technicolour and unfolding like a horror movie in front of them with every passing day (particularly with all the previously-less noticeable venues closing in their droves, like the nightclubs and greyhound stadiums recently discussed on here), maybe he’ll finally be brave enough to stand up to these people, and mean it.

      • Frank Davis says:

        the Internet has taken the place of the pub

        I agree. I had a wide circle of friends once, not very long ago, but they’re all gone now, almost entirely thanks to the smoking ban. But I remain as outgoing as I ever was, and this is the only medium left in which to ‘go out'(?)

  3. The Blocked Dwarf says:

    I would certainly use the german word ‘energisch’ to describe your writings, Frank and it would be meant, as I’m sure Reinhold means it, as a compliment. Let me put it another way, I would not use the word to describe FOREST…don’t get me wrong, SImon is always worth a read and he does what he can but …

    • Frank Davis says:

      Actually, Simon is much more energetic than I am. He seems to be on radio or TV every other day. And he writes a blog as well! If I have any complaints about Simon, it’s that he’s energetically fighting a losing war with our mutual enemies, the antis.

      • Reinhold says:

        I’m quite sure Blocked Dwarf means energisch, and it’s this word he wouldn’t use to describe Forest, Frank, not energetic.

        Apt comparison, Blocked Dwarf, by the way.

      • The Blocked Dwarf says:

        Actually, Simon is much more energetic than I am

        As Reinhold has already pointed out ‘energisch'(D) doesn’t equal ‘energetic'(GB). Simon,bless, is certainly active and that with energy (GB). But his blogging is rarely ‘energisch’ (D)…not normally anyways. Energisch(D) is a bit ,untypically for a German word, ‘means different things to different people’ish. I would use it in an ‘energized by passion’ or ,even, in an Mr.Rottenesque ‘anger is an energy’ way but Reinhold may use it differently….and as Reinhold is , I assume, a native speaker I defer to him on this one.

        • Reinhold says:

          I would use it in an ‘energized by passion’ or ,even, in an Mr.Rottenesque ‘anger is an energy’ way but Reinhold may use it differently

          No, that’s exactly the way I use it, too.

          But I never would have been able to explain it in English like you did, Dwarf.

      • The Blocked Dwarf On Linux With No Spell Check says:

        But I never would have been able to explain it in English like you did, Dwarf.
        Yeah but I learnt most of that which I call ‘German’ from the Photo-Love Stories in 80s editions of “BRAVO Girl!” & from the “Fertische’ down at the kiosks of Offe’bach am Maa, I’m quite good with the more colloquial uses and abuses of German. If you had learnt your English (excellent as it is btw) down the Skag Rat’s Arms or The Muddy Duck then I’m sure you’d be able to explain English words and phrases to Germans …”But ze truck ist nicht dirty nor is it sehr large” (“a dirty great lorry” [GB] being difficult for Germans to ‘get’ the nuances of ).

        • Reinhold says:

          Yes, the colloquial phrases are the ones we rarely learned in school (back then, ages ago) and what I lack most. Maybe soon I’ll go to the next Bahnhofskiosk and buy me a couple of English photo love stories as a ‘private lesson’ (“They’re for my granddaughter”, I’ll say, “tomorrow is her thirteenth birthday”).

          your English (excellent as it is btw)

          Very kind of you to say that but I notice very well how underdeveloped my English is. Luckily I understand most of what Frank writes (or the Queen or Mick Fleedwood speaks) and for the rest there’s my big fat dictionary, the Google translator, and Leo.org, but to form a sentence in English myself makes me sweat even in deepest winter time and still will end up incorrect(ly?).

          Which thankfully doesn’t hinder me to energischly form proper German sentences.

          “a dirty great lorry” [GB] being difficult for Germans to ‘get’ the nuances of

          Indeed. Can’t wait to learn about them. :-)

        • Reinhold says:

          Waaskiaa == Weiskirchen?

        • The Blocked Dwarf says:

          Waaskiaa == Weiskirchen Risschtisch, kennste? Mind you my transliteration is a bit off. Probably “waAskerche” would be nearer to the way it’s said usually.

      • The Blocked Dwarf On Linux With No Spell Check says:

        Which thankfully doesn’t hinder me to energischly form proper German sentences.

        You can’t know how I envy you that ability. At the risk of taking the comments way off topic; I made the mistake when, I learnt German, of learning every noun I encountered and it’s plural but didn’t realize that I needed to learn the genders. Result of which was a vocabulary that exceeds, by far, that of most Germans, even university educated ones, but I can’t formulate even a simple grammatically correct sentence. I had German colleagues ringing me up to ask the meaning of obscure words and phrases that haven’t been used since Luther threw his inkpot but I have to get my German wife to write the Xmas cards. Did you know that a ‘Kegel’ is a bastard child and ‘Kind und Kegel’ has nothing to do with ten pin bowling?

        So you might want to hold off on that purchase of ‘girly mags’ (you see what I did there? :p)

        • Reinhold says:

          but didn’t realize that I needed to learn the genders

          And this, in fact, must be a really tough thing. I admire everyone who has learned German as a second language very, very much (didn’t know until yesterday that it was a second language for you, I thought you might have grown up bilingual(ly?)), even if they only tried to do so. German must be horribly complicated. Die Frau des Mannes, der Frau des Mannes, die Frau dem Mann, die Frau den Mann, die Frauen der Männer, den Frauen der Männer, die Frauen den Männern, der Frauen der Männer …
          Wasn’t it Mark Twain who once said: There must have been people in history who said to themselves: “How can we make the German grammar even more confusing?” (or similar). He was right.

          Though, if you’re born here and/or! grew up together with the kids around the block, you don’t have to learn anything about it. It’s nearly magical. You just imbibe that complex grammar. Certainly it’s the same with other languages, and it’s the same magic there, too. Even if you grew up speaking a strong dialect (like I did), it’s quite easy to switch to the standard language (in writing, not so in speaking). And it seems to be easy for children to adapt a different language than their parents speak. It’s a mystery to me.

          I had German colleagues ringing me up to ask the meaning of obscure words and phrases that haven’t been used since Luther threw his inkpot but I have to get my German wife to write the Xmas cards.

          This really made me laugh out loud. :-D

          Did you know that a ‘Kegel’ is a bastard child and ‘Kind und Kegel’ has nothing to do with ten pin bowling?

          I did, of course. I was there when Luther threw his inkpot. ;-)
          But did you know what Männlein und Weiblein are? A professional translator, an Englishman, recently confronted me with that translated as “little men and little women” (actually it means something like “anybody”).
          Or “gekreuzte Tennisschläger” – means: crossed tennis rackets -; a foreign illustrator once surprised me by delivering a crucified tennis player (gekreuzigter Tennisspieler).

          Languages are a swampy field.

        • nisakiman says:

          Heh! Yes, Greek is the same. Three genders and all the adjectivals are gender, number and case sensitive. It’s a bloody nightmare…

        • beobrigitte says:

          This all made me laugh out loud!!! Thanks, Dwarf and Reinhold!!!

          Actually, I met a Bavarian a few weeks ago for a coffee. I was not sure which language I should use; Hochdeutsch or my dialect…. I ended up muddling between both and it worked! Sod the grammar!

        • The Blocked Dwarf says:

          This all made me laugh out loud!!! Thanks, Dwarf and Reinhold!!!

          We aim to please Ma’m :)
          …although , and trust me on this one, if you could hear the Denglisch we now speak at home you’d cringe-there is really nothing amusing about it. I was in the should-have-gone-Obi Homebastard the other day and there were a couple speaking German so we got chatting -after they heard me swearing about the sortiment of bolts in Hessian, I’ve spoken German everyday for the last 26 years so tend to think in it. I think I said “Sack of cement,Jesus & Mary, brains, arses and the Cat Mikesh! (it makes more sense in German).

          They too had been living here in the UK far too long and I was fascinated to find myself speaking not German, nor English but Denglish with them.
          Beo, Reinhold, do you know what a ‘Durch-Durch’ is? Let me enlighten you, a durch-durch is a double parking space at the supermarket ie open from both sides that you can drive into and out of without reversing or other gyrotechinical maneuvering. That has to be the Denglish Wort Of The Year!

        • Reinhold says:

          Durch-Durch! Hahaaa! I laugh me kaput(t)!

          Surely this ingenious term will make its way to Germany – as “Thru-Thru” of course (spoken: Srusru).

        • Reinhold says:

          But, ähm …

          brains, arses and the Cat Mikesh!

          You’re sure? Are you sure you didn’t say “Heaven, arse and cloudburst!” instead?
          For you hardly could have said “Cat Mikesh” because Mikesch clearly is a tomcat. “Katze Mikesch” sounds wrong somehow.

        • The Blocked Dwarf says:

          For you hardly could have said “Cat Mikesh” because Mikesch clearly is a tomcat.

          You are, of course, correct…blame lateness of the hour. I should have written it “Cat(m)” (“Tomcat” is only ever used by the sort of people who call dogs(f) ‘lady dogs’). On the ‘lateness of the hour” thing, here another Denglisch wort : “middaysleepen” ie “Sorry Ich war g’rad middaysleepen”

        • beobrigitte says:

          You’re sure? Are you sure you didn’t say “Heaven, arse and cloudburst!” instead?

          What happened to “Heaven, arse and yarn”???

          :)

        • Reinhold says:

          Am I late? I was eveningeaten for a while …

          What happened to “Heaven, arse and yarn”???

          Still in use, too.

        • The Blocked Dwarf says:

          What happened to “Heaven, arse and yarn”???

          Back when I was learning that which I call ‘German’ I had some difficulty pronouncing the word “Zwaa” (‘Zwei’ uf hessisssch), the ‘zw’ is tricky for someone who can’t even manage to say ‘th’ in English. So I looked around for a variant on the phrase that didn’t use ‘Zwirn’ (which means money in Rotwelsch or semen). No idea where I got the version with TOMcat Mikesch. Probably some drunken mate down the OF-HptBhnhf bar or some Berber.

        • The Blocked Dwarf says:

          I was eveningeaten for a while …
          Eveningeaten I haven’t yet heard, although ‘breakfasten’ and ‘brunchen’ I use and have heard even from High German speakers. Still am LOLen btw about your Tennis players getting the Jesus-treatment….

        • Reinhold says:

          I looked around for a variant on the phrase that didn’t use ‘Zwirn’

          So why didn’t you simply exchange the Zwirn with the Wolkenbruch? ;-)
          Although your Kater Mikesch variant actually is a beautiful one!

          the ‘zw’ is tricky for someone who can’t even manage to say ‘th’ in English.

          But you’re not talking about yourself, are you? Is it possible that a native English speaker cannot pronounce the ‘th’? That’s quite as unbelievable as a German speaker can’t say … well … Zwiebelzwiebackzwang or … Zwerg?

          One can recognize a person not belonging to the German language area when counting “eins swei drei”, you know. That reminds me of our cats(m+f) and dogs(m+f). An Englishman (a Scouser btw., Brigitte) once told me you can identify someone as NOT being English when he says “it’s raining cats and dogs”.
          And that’s exactly what we learned in school to be a very typical English expression.
          Languages are a slippery field.

        • Frank Davis says:

          I don’t think Brigitte would take kindly to being called “An Englishman”, somehow.

          And I regularly use the expression “it’s raining cats and dogs”. Although only when it actually is raining cats and dogs. Somebody would only be identified as NOT English if they said “it’s raining dogs and cats”.

        • Reinhold says:

          I don’t think Brigitte would take kindly to being called “An Englishman”, somehow.

          :-D

          My English is limited, I hope I’ve said that before once or twice.

          But I never thought that I could be misunderstood this way. :-D

          What I meant by “An Englishman (a Scouser btw., Brigitte)” is not: “An Englishman, a Scouser named Brigitte btw” but: “An Englischman (hey, Brigitte, he’s a Scouser btw, aren’t you called ‘our German Scouser’ by your friends?)”.

          And I regularly use the expression “it’s raining cats and dogs”.

          Funny too. I’ll tell Phil(m) about that, if I may. He’ll be surprised. Incidentally, he stated that even in a book.

        • The blocked Dwarf says:

          So why didn’t you simply exchange the Zwirn with the Wolkenbruch? ;-)

          Simply wasn’t around in the late 80s OF a.M , that’s why. Had it been then I still wouldn’t have used it…come on, I was raised in Norfolk and so have a natural aversion to any mention of ‘rain’.
          The Bestes Frau In The Whole Wide World spent hours being drilled to pronounce the ‘th’ and can say it far better than I , a native speaker. DippFFongs are difficult. Moving to the UK she was distraught to realise that quite a few modern Brits can’t say ‘th’. MInd you I can say both “squirrel’ and “Oachkatzlschwoaf” better than she can…

        • Reinhold says:

          Oachkatzlschwoaf

          :-)))

          “Bestes Frau”, Dwarf, is that Hessisch perhaps?

          Because in Hochdeutsch there is no bestes Frau, as Frau is feminine while bestes is neuter.

          Nom.: (wer?: she is) die beste Frau
          Gen.: (wessen?: the hat of) der besten Frau
          Dat.: (wem?: it belongs) der besten Frau
          Acc.: (wen?: I mean) die beste Frau

          I hope I haven’t offended you by that (just thought you might want to know), and best regards to The Beste Frau In The World! :)

        • The blocked Dwarf says:

          there is no bestes Frau,

          As I have told FT a few times, it’s bad English not ungrammatical German! Used to be ‘The Bestest Frau’ but I got lazy over time. An english sentence but using the German word for wife to indicate my wife is German. In hessissscch it be ‘Fraa’ or ‘Waab’ even…

        • Reinhold says:

          As I have told FT a few times,

          Oh. I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware of that.
          Maybe I was middaysleepen. ;-)

          In hessissscch it be ‘Fraa’ or ‘Waab’ even…

          With Weib(n) “bestes” works perfectly of course.

          Used to be ‘The Bestest Frau’

          Ah, that’s nice indeed!

        • beobrigitte says:

          Nom.: (wer?: she is) die beste Frau
          Gen.: (wessen?: the hat of) der besten Frau
          Dat.: (wem?: it belongs) der besten Frau
          Acc.: (wen?: I mean) die beste Frau

          Depending from which part of Hessen Dwarf’s wife is from, it would be:
          Nom.: (wer?: she is) d’ beschte Fraa
          Gen.: (wessen?: the hat of) da beschte Fraa
          Dat.: (wem?: it belongs) da beschte Fraa
          Acc.: (wen?: I mean) derre beschte Fraa

          but: “An Englischman (hey, Brigitte, he’s a Scouser btw, aren’t you called ‘our German Scouser’ by your friends?
          Indeed. “You don’ count as foreign; you’re aar Geeeman scouser, dat’s somin totally diffrent.”

          Heh! Yes, Greek is the same. Three genders and all the adjectivals are gender, number and case sensitive.
          That bit I’m ok with – I do feel like a child, though, when trying to read greek. Adding letter by letter to try and end up with a word I don’t understand….. *Phew* Hard work….

          Never mind the languages – we all understand each other very well when we say ANYWHERE:
          We don’t want a nanny state! Cull the smoking ban and revive businesses that make people happy and content!

        • The blocked Dwarf says:

          Depending from which part of Hessen Dwarf’s wife is from, it would be:

          Rodgau like the monotones..Ei gUUUDe… but both her parents were from Prussia and she never learnt Hessian. Infact when we met I spoke and understood the OF ‘platt’ far better than she did. “Ma Fraa kimmt us Waaskiaa”

        • Reinhold says:

          Waaskiaa == Weiskirchen?

        • Reinhold says:

          (I posted my last comment twice because I positioned it incorrectly first.)

          Waaskiaa == Weiskirchen Risschtisch, kennste? Mind you my transliteration is a bit off. Probably “waAskerche” would be nearer to the way it’s said usually.

          Re: Risschtisch, kennste?

          No, I only decided to check if there’s a town called Rodgau in Hessen (could have also been the Monotones’ founder’s name, gell) before searching for a Waaskiaa in Siberia or some Eskimo region.
          And bingo, there is a Rodgau-Weiskirchen. :)

    • Reinhold says:

      I would certainly use the german word ‘energisch’ to describe your writings, Frank

      Thanks for your confirmation, Blocked Dwarf.

      and it would be meant, as I’m sure Reinhold means it, as a compliment.

      Of course it is.

      So you see, Frank, even if you don’t think that you’re energetic – in German you are still ein energischer Blogger. :-)
      It’s just not the same.

  4. slugbop007 says:

    Time for someone to find out if Big Pharma and their kind have infiltrated the Royal Society for Public Health.

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    SC040750 Incorporated by Royal
    Charter reg no RC000825

    Another government subsidised/taxpayer funded charity clamouring for more suppression of human rights in the name of health & wellness. They should all be required to collect their funds door to door. That includes the WHO, Big Pharma, FDA, CDC, Universities, politicians, administrators, local tobacco control groups and all the webs that make up their global network. Parasites!

  5. John Watson says:

    Unless you’ve seen it and done so already there is an ongoing petition asking that the government cease funding all charities https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105732 It is however only open to UK citizens.

  6. Bandit 1 says:

    Extend the smoking ban? Cheeky feckers. It should be a question of reducing the ban’s scope or repealing it entirely.

    Still, the optimist in me hopes that this rapid slapdown of the latest mooted extension marks a turning point. It would be so nice to see the tobacco control industry on the run. For several years.

  7. Twenty Rothmans says:

    Excellent to see you showing up in Netzwerk Rauchen – I’ve applied to join as I’m frequently in Germany and speak German, making it bit easier to understand.
    I use http://raucher-auf-reisen.de/ when I’m on the move. Had to discontinue using Marriott hotels as they brought in a blanket ban in 2013. They won’t go broke, but they’ll possibly have an empty room, which suits me.
    The rugby’s on. I’d love to watch at the pub but unlike the cricket, where you can architect a five minute absence, you can’t. Winning by this much would be a six-pint night. Again, they won’t go broke, but it’s £20 they won’t get.
    I live with someone who was fully in favour of the ban, complaining that it smelled and makes her clothes reek. She goes to the pub about four times per year. The same frequency as before the ban, whereas I’ve done from three to five every day to about ten pints all week.
    What these idiots do not realise is that we don’t want them, not the other way around. If the pubs have to rely on the likes of them, they will perish. That is what they want.

  8. smokingscot says:

    “The public smoking ban should be extended to beer gardens, al fresco eating areas of restaurants…”

    And without quite saying so, any amendment to the smoking ban would have included every pavement seating area that – in this part of Scotland at least – are commonplace and, on a dry day, well frequented – with smokers’ their prime customer.

    (Not so in George Street certainly not during the festival; that’s taken outdoor eating to a new level, with lots of photos of the setup in 2014 – it’s bigger and grander this year http://www.essentialedinburgh.co.uk/projects/area-promotion/george-street-festival-2014/)

    The proposal is so much greater than just ruining some pubs. I rather enjoy meandering along Rose Street and at least 40% of those wee aluminium tables and gaudy wood slat chairs belong to coffee shops and sandwich bars.

    What some may not know is those businesses have to cough up money to the Council to have tables and chairs parked on the pedestrian area.

    All this to simply normalise vaping? Yea Gads… save us from bored, naive, think-tank dross.

    • beobrigitte says:

      All this to simply normalise vaping?
      Don’t believe for one minute that this is the case. First they get rid of the smokers and then they do the same to the vapers.
      What was one rabid anti-smoker saying? “Vaping looks like smoking – it will “re-nomalize” (huh? to me smoking is a perfectly normal, social habit) smoking AGAIN!

      Any vaper who thinks the antis have come round will be in smokers’ boots shortly.

  9. scot says:

    I was astonished whilst frequenting The Standing Order on George St, that I wandered to the outside seating and lit up, and a waiter/glass collector (whatever) informed me I couldn’t smoke there. Turns out they have split the smoking bit to the eastern sideot the entrance, and the western end is now for smokophobes who want some rays with their beer, fucking outrageous, let ’em sit in the capacious smoke-free areas indoors.

    Mind you Wetherspoons already had no-smoking rooms in this pub before the ban, and I think they did go “smoke-free” down south well before the English ban.

    They’ve got history on this kind of shit.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Wetherspoons tried the smoking ban before it was dictated. The company gave up on that when it noticed a massive drop in income.
      Declaring a smoking ban before it was dictated by a dubious Labour government did was enough for me. I have never – and will NEVER do so again – entered a wetherspoons since!!! The company is clearly anti-smoker friends. So they do not want my cash. Simples.

      • scot says:

        I was quite startled by this, I only go there because its the cheapest bar uptown, not that I drink there much or even my local (landlocked – no garden) since our 2006 ban, – Nookie Broon is £3.00 a bottle and I can smoke outside (on the pavement) and relax in a cheap plastic chair and table. Next time I go it’ll probably be 3/4 of the tables are for smokophobes, then all non-smoking, then I will withdraw what sparse custom they get from me. BTW when I found a table at the “smoking permitted” section, which was packed out, had a delightful encounter with an 85 year old pipe-smoking gentleman at the same table, who regaled us with stories of his National Service days and just about everything else in his life…

  10. beobrigitte says:

    As for dictating new laws: is The Royal Society for Public Health in a position to do so? Since when?

    Breitbart London spoke to Lorien Jollye of the New Nicotine Alliance, a registered charity that is promoting the informed use of electronic cigarettes. She told of why she welcomed, from health professionals, a “positive attitude to electronic cigarettes” and recognition that “nicotine ‘addiction’ has no negative behavioural aspects”. But she has sympathy for tobacco smokers.
    Lorien Jolley, read my lips: THERE IS NO POSITIVE ATTITUDE TO ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES; VAPING RESEMBLES SMOKING TO THEM!!!
    What they do NOT want is vapers and smokers uniting. How many pubs can you go and use your e-cig in? And why not?

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