Atrocities

As Labour leadership frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn launches a “rock star” tour of Britain, addressing rapturous audiences in packed meeting halls, I thought I’d check to see whether he was the antismoker I thought he probably was. It was just as I had expected:

How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Social Issues

Consistently voted for equal gay rights
Consistently voted for smoking bans
Consistently voted for the hunting ban
Consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted for laws to promote equality and human rights

So long Jeremy. With luck, you’ll lead the Labour party into oblivion.

Which left me wondering once again why the Conservatives don’t become a bit more, well,… conservative. H/T Harley for this report from last month, which may signal first moves to throttle the bloated public health industry:

A 6.2% across the board cut in public health grants to local authorities threatens to undermine attempts to reduce levels of obesity, drinking and smoking in England, councils have warned.

The Department of Health plans to achieve £200m savings demanded by the Treasury this year through one flat rate measure.

Its month-long consultation, published on Friday, says this would be simpler to implement than adapting cuts to local circumstances.

Towards the end of the article, somebody says:

“With further reductions in public spending expected next year we need to move away from a focus of treating sickness to actively promoting health and wellbeing.”

That should be the other way round. They need to move away from a focus of promoting health and wellbeing to actively treating sickness. That’s the problem with the medical profession these days.

Which reminded me that the medical profession is the only profession with which an encounter can leave you minus an arm or a leg. You don’t have that problem with accountants or solicitors. If they chop off one of your arms, they’ll go to prison for a long time. But, if it’s done to “save lives” or “improve health”, medics can carry out more or less any atrocity they like (including killing you) with complete impunity. Nobody will bat an eyelid.

If you want to be a serial killer, becoming a doctor is the perfect cover. For example Harold Shipman.

Smoking bans are atrocities. “Exiling smokers to the outdoors” is an utterly vicious thing to do to smokers. But since it’s all being done to “save lives” and “improve health”, it’s perfectly okay, and nobody will bat an eyelid. Even though most of the public health activists – like ASH boss Deborah Arnott – aren’t even doctors.

Anyway, a 6.2% cut in public health funding is a start. Only another 93.8% to go.

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21 Responses to Atrocities

  1. Lepercolonist says:

    “But, if it’s done to “save lives” or “improve health”, medics can carry out more or less any atrocity they like (including killing you) with complete impunity. Nobody will bat an eyelid.”

    During the birth of my daughter the incompetent doctor could not get her through the birth canal. After trying a suction cup on her head he resorted to yanking her out with forceps. He pulled out nerves from her brachial plexus to her spinal cord. She is now permanently disabled with Erbs Palsy.

    I sued for malpractice. The consensus of other physicians was that a C-section should have been immediately scheduled. We discovered that the doctor was an alcoholic and had a history of malpractice. He only had $ 100,000 of malpractice insurance. All of his assets were in his wifes’ name. Before the trial he died of cirrhosis of the liver at age 52.

    His wife settled out of court for the $ 100,000. My daughter received $ 35,000 after lawyer and court costs. A paltry amount considering she was disfigured for life.

    I do not trust doctors. Especially if they want you to go under the knife.

  2. Smoking Lamp says:

    The increasing levels of political support for ten ‘public health’ movement are troubling. At first glance the cause of health is a ‘no-brainer’. Who could dispute the goals of a group seeking to better lives and limit suffering from disease? that seemingly benign, if not beneficial goal is what got them a place at the political table.

    The problem is the ‘public health’ movement got hijacked by extremists. The extremist started within the ‘tobacco control’ faction and deliberately subsumed the entire public health movement. Once they tasted power they desired more than a seek at the political table; they desired the spoils of power. that meant eliminating rivals and taking all of the seats.

    The extremists are succeeding. Smoking bans are the current fashion. Extreme tobacco taxes, and persecution of smokers ‘for their own good’ are widely accepted. As they gain ground in one area they demand more and more in their lust for power. Of course they jhave to keep moving to new ground. The desire to expand is needed to occupy the minds of their rivals and the public they claim to protect. They need to keep everyone occupied so the gullible public and co-opted politicians don’t discover that they are the victims of a ponzi scheme. That’s why sugar, vaping, alcohol are now all added in with all forms of tobacco. They need to enforce bans, and then add new bans quickly on top while the frenzied mob is too busy to examine the evidence behind the bans. As regular readers here know, the evidence is flimsy, manipulated, and often outright lies promoted as propaganda until they become the conventional wisdom.

    The facade is at risk of being exposed for the lies they are; that’s why the antismokers and their supporters censor all opposition and evidence of their lies. That’s why it is essential that the tobacco control lies get exposed. The false basis of the smoking bans needs to be made common knowledge. The persecution of smokers; the persecution that started with ‘outdoor exile’ is now an exile from the political process. The discussion here needs to resonate in Parliament, Congress, and in legislative assemblies worldwide. It needs to be discussed in cafes, and in pubs and taverns worldwide. If it is, these establishments will quickly become smoking areas. If not, we are doomed to a prison where one can’t smoke. A prison sealed by our own complacency.

    • waltc says:

      Who’ll discuss it in the (smoker-free) cafes, pubs and taverns? The nonsmokers? Removing smokers from the places where people get together and talk essentially cut them off from public dialogue. The ban was also, then, a canny political move. The nonsmokers never get to hear us at all–on any topic–and the smokers feel isolated and alone in their opinions. This is how a false majority is manufactured and the lies are maintained.

      Yes, the medics are the only group of people who can legally kill or maim you and not even be charged with negligent homicide, only the civil charge of malpractice

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        also the fact the non smokers who were suppose to flock in to replace the smokers never happened.

        • prog says:

          The real driving forces behind smoking bans would have hoped for damage to bars and pubs as part of the wider plan to restrict lifestyle choices. And get the useful idiots to do the dirty work, some of whom are now proposing bans in pub gardens and other outdoor spaces in the UK.

      • roobeedoo2 says:

        I tell non-smokers and smokers about the bollocks all the time. In fact I’m am getting a bit of a rep at work ;)

        Fuck ’em.

      • Smoking Lamp says:

        We can start by discussing in the existing outdoor patios and consolidating smokers. Then expand exposure to others. You have to start somewhere. Surrender is not a good option.

        • Joe L. says:

          Don’t delay, Lamp. We lost our outdoor patios in Chicago almost one year ago. Since it was only an amendment to the existing ban, it got pushed through fast. Ever since that day, any time I have a 30+ minute conversation with anyone (smoker or non-) I make a point to bring up the issue. In fact, it naturally arises whenever I am forced to interrupt our conversation and exile myself to the sidewalk for a cigarette.

  3. rauchen says:

    Never understood how one can be pro gay rights, human, rights, civil rights and still support bans. Shouldn’t there be some cognitive dissonance somewhere?

    • Frank Davis says:

      “Health”, “Safety”, and “Saving lives” trump all rights.

      I’m surprised that smokers don’t have their lips and fingers surgically removed, in order to save them from their killer smoking habit. You do know that half of all smokers are killed by their terrible addiction, don’t you?

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Health”, “Safety”, and “Saving lives” trump all rights.

        One can never supersede rights not even governemnts. Individual rights,human rights whatever rights one my mean. Liberty is a right and is the founding stone of any democracy. Once that foundation stone is removed a democracy no longer exists but a tyrannical government bent on even more draconian limits on our rights until everything we ever did no matter your thing you did becomes criminal too. This is what the warning sign should be to all who deny rights to others or their liberties.

        Compromise was always democracies TRUMP card, it has long disappeared.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    It appears seattle that bastion of anti smoking has smoke easys all over town

    Seattle plans crackdown on indoor smoking lounges

    Originally published August 3, 2015 at 8:15 am | Updated August 3, 2015 at 9:38 am

    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray says the city is planning a crackdown on illegal indoor smoking lounges after complaints of crime and violence.

    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray says the city is planning a crackdown on illegal indoor smoking lounges after complaints of crime and violence.

    The mayor’s office says that in the past 18 months there have been three homicides near the businesses, and Seattle police have responded to more than 100 fights and disturbances associated with the establishments.

    Murray spokesman Viet Shelton says there are about a dozen hookah lounges in the city.

    The businesses are considered in violation of the state’s smoking ban in places of employment.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-plans-crackdown-on-indoor-smoking-lounges/

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Newest | Oldest | Top Comments

      Scorpion
      14 minutes ago

      WOW……Hookah lounges FAILED to PAYOFF Mr. ED the Rainbow Crusader, City CLOWNCIL Members and Police Chief O’Toole.

      What is funny, they started to enforce this issue 1 year ago and STOPPED.

      Many regular bars are not cite by NOT enforcing the 25 foot distance from doorways.

      METRO is not CITED for allowing people to smoke within 25 ft of bus stops.

      City CLOWNcil selectively picks it’s fights and turns it’s back of GRAFFITI which GRABAGE COLLECTOR CLEAN SCAPE DOES not clean up from alleys on their private property.

      So many problems for the City CLOWNCIL and Rainbow Crusader need to address like how to SAVE CITIZENS $100,00.00 by NOT painting crosswalks rainbow colors.

      DO POLICE cite homeless for vagrancy violations? NO

      Intimidation by Homeless Association have scared people from addressing homeless drinking in parks, urination, and trespassing.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Scrumdog1
        34 minutes ago

        The City of Seattle and the State created the problem with the indoor smoking ban…I guess we all have to pay for the arrogance, hypocrisy and stupidity of not allowing private indoor smoking venues. As to the homicides and police calls, how does that compare with the bars and clubs in the area? Selective enforcement on what is suppose to be a legal activity. What are they smoking in the hookah’s in these lounges?

        How about taking a crack at shutting down the open air drug markets in downtown? Gangs and gang shootings? What’s the matter? Too busy doing year long investigations of massage parlors, strip clubs and bikini barista stands?

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          The above goes to show just how unpopular the bans are and when a mayor starts to act like Elliot ness’s 1920s goon squad it wont be long til repeals come.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    The signs that are rarely, if ever, obeyed

    As smoking regulations continually change, more and more No Smoking signs are appearing around us.

    But do people really pay attention to them?

    That so many smokers spark up in front of the signs prompted Ross and John to find the most ignored sign in the world.

    http://www.3aw.com.au/radio/the-signs-that-are-rarely-if-ever-obeyed-20150803-giqbh9

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

  7. beobrigitte says:

    How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Social Issues

    Consistently voted for equal gay rights
    Consistently voted for smoking bans
    Consistently voted for the hunting ban
    Consistently voted for allowing marriage between two people of same sex
    Generally voted for laws to promote equality and human rights

    So Jeremy Consistently voted for equal gay rights but only Generally voted for laws to promote equality and human rights ?

    Which equalities and human rights did he view as unacceptable? Mine as a smoker? Or mine as a woman? Or mine as a straight woman? Or all of ours as individuals?

    Politicians these days are like octopuses: spineless, fast movers, and having about 8 tentacles (leading straight to it’s mouth) full of suckers.

    So long Jeremy. With luck, you’ll lead the Labour party into oblivion.
    Their last leader paved the way – remember his last minute election promise? More smoking bans and to make the tobacco companies pay…..

    • beobrigitte says:

      Medics aren’t “half-gods in white” – neither are they of over-average intelligence. They very often just follow a family trait. The genuine ones amongst them (I have only met one so far – and he was a GP with a hell of a lot of common sense) do have questions.

      If you want to be a serial killer, becoming a doctor is the perfect cover. For example Harold Shipman.
      Although this guy had killed a few people I was never sure about the ‘serial killer’ bit. He consistently injected his patients with the wrong dose of morphine and he did have this god-like ego of a medic.
      The truth might well lie in something simple: he never grasped the concept of HOW TO CALCULATE to CORRECT dose. Admitting that maths isn’t his strong ability would have killed his career even before it started.
      Let’s face it – we all know more blaggers than honest people!

      Smoking bans are atrocities. “Exiling smokers to the outdoors” is an utterly vicious thing to do to smokers. But since it’s all being done to “save lives” and “improve health”, it’s perfectly okay, and nobody will bat an eyelid. Even though most of the public health activists – like ASH boss Deborah Arnott – aren’t even doctors.
      Arnott has as much medical background than a used car salesman/woman. But she knows how to blagg. THAT IS her field. PR.

      24 years ago a scouser explained to me to my question how the exam went:
      “Waffling”: = you know a little bit about the subject so you repeat the same thing in many different words
      “Blagging”: = you have not really any idea about the subject so you make it up as you go.
      “Clanking”: = you have no idea about the subject but this shall not deter you from inventing the missing bit.
      “In short: I waffled a lot, blagged a bit and clanked the rest”.
      At the time I thought this was hilarious – now it’s reality for politics and lobby groups.

      I am amazed how ALL our various politicians swallow the clank from papers funded by the anti-smoking industry ……

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