Smuggling, Youth, Brighton, and Trump

Grandad in Ireland:

Authorities fume: 25% of cigarettes smuggled into Republic

Now I can’t understand why the “authorities” are fuming over this.  Dame Enda is constantly telling us that the backbone of the country’s economy is the indigenous small business so surely he must be delighted?  Here we have an example of entrepreneurs seeing a huge demand for a product and they are merely supplying that product at a price that people can afford.  I say fair play to those entrepreneurs, they’re doing a brilliant job.

The gubmint, far from congratulating them are calling them “organised criminals”.  I find that rich in the extreme.

Let’s look at this so called “crime”.  Is there anyone being harmed by this smuggling?  No.  Obviously it’s an enterprise that people condone, else it wouldn’t exist, so where is the “crime”?  Well, the only thing the gubmint loses is their excise duty, so basically they are just furious that they can’t rip us off because they have been sidelined.

The gubmint considers it is justified in stealing from the customer an exorbitant and disproportionate tax on a product simply because that gubmint disapproves of that product.  They add a massive tax onto that product with no apology and have bragged that they are going to further increase that tax disproportionately.  Furthermore that same gubmint adds more and more taxes to their little revenue stream and if we disapprove and refuse to pay, they have given themselves the ability to dip into our pay packets and pensions and take whatever they feel like.  They take from me whatever they like and I have no chance to protest?  Is that not theft?  Is this not mugging under another name?  Is this not organised crime on a gargantuan scale?

Well, exactly. And as the taxes keep rising, and the incentives for smugglers get bigger and bigger, maybe soon smuggling will account for 50% of Irish consumption. I just wonder how the smuggling is done. Do they bring in container trucks full of cigarettes and hope to not get caught? Or do they land them in dead of night in one of Ireland’s many hidden coves? Or do they fly them in by plane, and drop them by parachute in remote areas? Or, better still, do they load them onto Google drones, and deliver them to the exact address designated? Who knows, it might soon be possible to order online from Bulgaria, and have it air freighted to your doorstep (or your roof) the next morning.

Junican reports from Mallorca on modern youth:

My chief interest, of course, is smoking habits. I saw little change. As many, if not more of them were smoking. They did so blatantly, with no obvious feelings of shame.

I just have a feeling…..

I have a feeling that, unlike us old-timers, they do not give a toss about smoking indoors. I don’t mean that ‘they have come to terms’ with the indoor bans. I mean that they just do not care. In England, the indoor ban has been in operation since 2007, eight years ago. Many of these youths will have been just young teens at that time. They just don’t care about indoor bans. They just don’t go indoors. That particular disco used to be be packed. Now it is half empty, and, as far as I can see, they go inside to dance around for a while and then exit again. They don’t seem to bother drinking inside. They dance around, get a drink and leave to place to sit outside, drinking and smoking. Body-language says a lot – for example, sitting down, getting out a pack of fags and chucking them on the table. That’s what I mean about’no shame’….

Chris Snowdon draws attention to a public consultation on an outdoor smoking ban by Brighton and Hove. Anyone can do it. It doesn’t ask for any address, email or otherwise. Although it does ask whether you think you were assigned the correct sex. I classified myself as male (correctly, I believe), and as a Brighton visitor. And actually, I did once visit the place back in about 1988.

In the USA, Donald Trump seems have thrown a spanner in the works:

The first GOP debate, televised on August 6 on Fox News, is already a total backfire for the establishment. Based on the latest polls, it will likely include every single one of the candidates the Republican elite despises: Donald Trump, Mike Huckabee, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz—and banish to the losers’ consolation round exactly the types of candidates the establishment presumably wants to showcase: a female business leader, an Indian-American son of immigrants and the consensus-building governor of the crucial electoral state of Ohio.

The controlled, somber and oh-so-civilized process that the GOP promised its donors is now the biggest free-for-all in American political history. The blame for this, of course, is all being thrown in one direction.

Channeling their best William Shatner, GOP leaders everywhere are clenching their fists, looking skyward, and bellowing, “Trummmmmmp!”

And last but not least Greenpeace co-founder Dr Patrick Moore gives a short talk about the benefits of carbon dioxide:

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21 Responses to Smuggling, Youth, Brighton, and Trump

  1. Will says:

    I was probably around 11 when the smoking ban came in, nobody my age really gives a toss about cigarette smoke and friends of mine who live alone will happily let you smoke in their house.

    In relation to the article, rumor has it you can get cigarettes online for as little as £2.50 a pack.

    • junican says:

      Will,
      Care must be exercised. On line, the only way to pay is by card. As an experiment, a year or so ago, I attempted to order cigs from a source in the EU dead cheap (taxfree – about £2.50 per pack as you describe). I only ordered 200 cigs (one sleeve) to test the system out. I ostensibly paid by debit card, but the goods did not arrive nor was my account debited. It is easy to see how your details could be misused, even if your ‘service provider’ was able to filter out thieves and vagabonds. However, it is easy to buy cigs at £2.50 per pack – go to Prague for a three-day trip. I understand that Poland and Bulgaria are even cheaper.
      But there are even better ways. Just buy leaf online and make your own. The Zealots are trying to block that avenue. They will not succeed. The reason is that genuine and legal imports of the ‘agricultural product known as tobacco leaf’ are protected by EU law. In EU law, ‘tobacco leaf’ is not ‘raw tobacco’. In EU law, there is no such thing as ‘raw tobacco’, any more than there is such a thing as ‘raw water’.

      —-
      The youth in the UK is savvy and clear. It has always been so. While their elders flagellate their brains about ‘smoking related diseases’, the ‘yoof’ enjoys itself.

      • Will says:

        Apologies for the slow reply – this will probably be lost.
        I’ve tried tobacco leaf before but haven’t had huge success as it tasted like burning hay which I assume is due to the lack of casing or something but it wasn’t like any cigarette I’ve ever smoked.

        Also, of course avoid any websites called things like cheapcigsnow.com but there are some that work.

  2. Smoking Lamp says:

    Excess taxation is likely to erode confidence in government. It certainly played a role in the separation of the 13 American colonies from the Crown. Organized crime is the real beneficiary from plain packages and excessive taxation. I suspect the link between excess taxation, the growth of organized crime, and the lack of concern about smoking bans and smoking in general among youth is symptomatic of that lack of confidence. I asked a few 20 somethings who were smoking outdoors the other day why they didn’t challenge the bans. The response: ‘no worries the whole system is going to collapse soon’. It may well do so, and there are certainly indication that is it is challenged. I’d prefer seeing some active challenges to the tobacco control lies and real discussion as posed to propaganda and censorship. But, perhaps the coming meltdown will sort things out…

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      60% of cigarettes sold in New York are smuggled: report

      New York has the highest cigarette tax rate of any state, and nearly two-thirds of the state’s cigarette market is illegal, announced the think tank Tax Foundation on Thursday.

      The Tax Foundation said that 60.9% of cigarettes sold in New York State are smuggled in from other states.

      This makes New York the biggest importer of black market cigarettes, along with the state’s highest tax rate of $4.35 per pack. That’s compared to Missouri, the state with the lowest rate, of 17 cents per pack.

      In New York City the tax rate is even higher, adding another $1.50 per pack to the state rate. It’s not uncommon for smokers to pay $12 for a pack.

      The report said that tobacco smuggling and the tax rate have risen practically in tandem since 2006. The New York State tax on cigarettes has risen 190% since that time, as the rate of smuggling increased 170%.

      This bears out a report issued last month by the New York Association of Convenience Stores, estimating that “chronic cigarette-tax evasion” deprives the state of at least $1.7 billion in tax revenue and 6,700 jobs.

      Joe Henchman of the Tax Foundation, who co-authored the report with scholars from the Michigan-based Mackinac Center for Public Policy, said the smuggling takes place in various forms. In many cases, the smugglers physically transport the cigarettes into New York from nearby states with much lower tax rates, such as Virginia, a longtime tobacco producer with a rate of 30 cents per pack. The smugglers will often use counterfeit tax stamps to conceal the illegal nature of their wares.

      Henchman said there have also been cases of New Yorkers making their own cigarettes as “kind of the equivalent of moonshine” and there have also been hijackings of tobacco trucks. But on a much grander scale, he said the Internet serves a primary role in illegal cigarette purchases.

      Related: Tobacco companies ordered to advertise smoking risk

      Also, he said that some Native America reservations sell tax-free cigarettes, and this is why New York State has a “long-running dispute” with the Oneida Indian Nation.

      The Oneida Indian Nation manufactures its own brand of cigarettes called Niagra’s. The Nation says, on its web site, that it used to make the cigarettes in Buffalo, but moved its Sovereign Tobacco company to Oneida in 2010, “availing itself of a long-settled law that recognizes the right of Indian tribes to sell products they manufacture on their own reservations without interference from state laws.”

      At the time, the tribe said that 15 people were employed in cigarette manufacturing, and that keeping those jobs on the reservation “will ensure that the loyal customers of the Nation’s enterprises are able to continue buying Nation-manufactured cigarettes at reasonable prices, free from New York State taxes.”

      Representatives of the Nation did not immediately answer messages from CNNMoney.

      Related: What would a legal marijuana industry look like?

      Nationwide, the industry leaders are Reynolds American (RAI, Fortune 500), parent of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, which produces Camel, Pall Mall, Winston and other brands, and Altria Group’s (MO, Fortune 500) Phillip Morris, which produces Marlboro, Virginia Slims and Parliament.

      “R.J. Reynolds works closely with law enforcement every way we can, however this is a law enforcement problem,” said R.J. Reynolds spokesman Bryan Hatchell, noting that the black market is a nationwide issue. “Governments are losing billions of dollars. Money spent on law enforcement will result in an excellent return on investment to the state.”

      Altria spokesman David Sutton said his company also works with law enforcement to help officers recognize counterfeit products, and it tries to convince state governments to keep their tax rates within bounds, to avoid “unintended consequences” like a black market.

      Sutton said the “very, very high” tax rate in New York “creates an incentive for criminal activity to provide product to consumers to avoid paying that high tax.” To top of page

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Funny how Tobacco Control be it the CDC or one of the many non-profit front group anti-smoking groups always produce surveys that show reduced smoking rates when they have no earthly idea how many smoke anywhere!

        The CDC calls 2 areas within a state usually liberal bastions. They make 1000 calls in the 2 areas combined then with some reformulations they come up with a reduced rate and that’s if they need to show there crap laws are working or their higher taxes. When they need more cash flow for their groups they produce rates that show higher rates and scream its for the kids and we need more tax dollars to keep children from smoking…..all the while they only created the LARGEST BLACK MARKETS IN WORLD HISTORY FOR TOBACCO BOOTLEGGERS!

        Profit from Smuggling Cigarettes in the United States

        in Business Security

        According to figures released by an official with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a cigarette smuggler can make up to $500,000 from from smuggling cigarettes between states on the East Coast.

        The smuggler legitimately buys 200 cases of cigarettes in southern states such as North Carolina or South Carolina. Then, the smuggler would then drive up the coast to New York City, where the tax on tobacco is $4.35.

        56.9 percent of the cigarettes smoked in NYC in 2012 were smuggled though the black market.

        (See more profits from illegal jobs.)

        Source: Mark Niquette and Esme E. Deprez, “Cigarette Smuggling Prompts Crackdown by States Losing Billions,” Bloomberg Businessweek, March 24, 2014.

        Additional Criminal Justice Information:

        Percentage of Smuggled Cigarettes in NYC

        Cigarette Smuggling in Boston

        Lost Tax Revenue due to Cigarette Smuggling in Australia

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Cigarette Taxes and Cigarette Smuggling by State

          Key Findings
          •Large differentials in cigarette taxes across states create incentives for black market sales.
          •Smuggled cigarettes make up substantial portions of cigarette consumption in many states, and greater than 25 percent of consumption in twelve states.
          •The highest inbound cigarette smuggling rates are in New York (56.9 percent), Arizona (51.5 percent), New Mexico (48.1 percent), Washington (48 percent), and Wisconsin (34.6 percent).
          •The highest outbound smuggling rates are in New Hampshire (24.2 percent), Wyoming (22.3 percent), Idaho (21.3 percent), Virginia (21.1 percent), and Delaware (20.9 percent).
          •Cigarette tax rates increased in 30 states and the District of Columbia between 2006 and 2012.

          Public policies often have unintended consequences that outweigh their benefits. One consequence of high state cigarette tax rates has been increased smuggling as criminals procure discounted packs from low-tax states to sell in high-tax states. Growing cigarette tax differentials have made cigarette smuggling both a national problem and a lucrative criminal enterprise.

          Each year, scholars at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a Michigan think tank, use a statistical analysis of available data to estimate smuggling rates for each state.[1] Their most recent report uses 2012 data and finds that smuggling rates generally rise in states after they adopt large cigarette tax increases. Smuggling rates have dropped in some states, however, often where neighboring states have higher cigarette tax rates. Table 1 shows the data for each state, comparing 2012 and 2006 smuggling rates and tax changes.

          New York is the highest net importer of smuggled cigarettes, totaling 56.9 percent of the total cigarette market in the state. New York also has the highest state cigarette tax ($4.35 per pack), not counting the local New York City cigarette tax (an additional $1.50 per pack). Smuggling in New York has risen sharply since 2006 (+59 percent), as has the tax rate (+190 percent).

          Other peer-reviewed studies provide support for these findings.[2] Recently, a study in Tobacco Control examined littered packs of cigarettes in five northeast cities, finding that 58.7 percent of packs did not have proper local stamps. The authors estimated 30.5 to 42.1 percent of packs were trafficked.[3]

          Smuggling takes many forms: counterfeit state tax stamps, counterfeit versions of legitimate brands, hijacked trucks, or officials turning a blind eye.[4] The study’s authors, LaFaive and Nesbit, cite examples of a Maryland police officer running illicit cigarettes while on duty, a Virginia man hiring a contract killer over a cigarette smuggling dispute, and prison guards caught smuggling cigarettes into prisons. Policy responses have included banning common carrier delivery of cigarettes,[5] greater law enforcement activity on interstate roads,[6] differential tax rates near low-tax jurisdictions,[7] and cracking down on tribal reservations that sell tax-free cigarettes.[8] However, the underlying problem remains: high cigarette taxes that amount to a “price prohibition” of the product in many U.S. states.[9]

  3. cherie79 says:

    Sooner or later a sane? Government will realise that they are losing taxes as more buy abroad or from white van man. The law is already widely flouted but the antis will fight to the finish to hold on to their sinecures and tax payer money best just to ignore them and laugh at their ever more ludicrous ‘science’.

    • junican says:

      Desirable though it might be, I doubt your hypothesis, cherie. It may take some time before elected politicians exert power over the Executive, if ever.
      Our political systen stinks.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        political systen stinks EVERYWHERE and in Every Country

        • smokingscot says:

          @ Harley

          It’s old news (April of this year), but just stumbled upon it.

          Surprisingly good news for Malawi, where raw tobacco is their greatest export earner and their largest source of foreign exchange.

          Egypt has agreed to finance the construction of not one, but two tobacco processing plants, thus allowing those in Malawi to add considerable value to their crop.

          http://allafrica.com/stories/201504221288.html

          And as they’re only making about $1.45 a kilogram for the stuff in raw form, it’s not a moment too soon!

          Not sure if you get it over in the States, but there’s been a teeny weeny problem of tens of thousands of people migrating from Malawi and Zimbabwe to South Africa where the locals have taken to beating up and generally being rather xenophobic in a whole bunch of ways.

          Always suspected some of them might be busted tobacco farmers.

          And in a separate article, there’s ample evidence that people who are forced to rely on the spot market for selling their tobacco are being creamed, with this quote telling all:

          “I spent nine months working on the crop only to be rewarded with a price of $0,60 per kg. This is not fair,” a woman from Chikomba said.

          https://www.newsday.co.zw/2015/03/05/audio-angry-farmers-disrupt-tobacco-auctioning/

          It’s tough enough having to live under a despot in Zimbabwe. 60 cents a kilo’s a jolly good reason to pack it all in, add to that the Zimbabwe government’s slapped a 1.5% tax on the stuff to finance a “reforestation programme”.

          That in turn was caused in part by Mugabe encouraging peasants to clear land to which they would get title if they stayed there for x number of years.

          So yes, you’re correct:

          the political system stinks EVERYWHERE and in Every Country.

          (sadly this’ll come up out of context, it relates to your comment of 4.45)

  4. waltc says:

    OT bu thought this might interest you. Experts squabble over Pluto’ s status. Apparently this “debate isn’t over”

    http://www.popsci.com/pluto-has-atmosphere-moons-and-maybe-geological-activity-can-we-call-it-planet-now

  5. Rose says:

    I just wonder how the smuggling is done. Do they bring in container trucks full of cigarettes and hope to not get caught? Or do they land them in dead of night in one of Ireland’s many hidden coves? Or do they fly them in by plane, and drop them by parachute in remote areas?

    IF you wake at midnight, and hear a horse’s feet,
    Don’t go drawing back the blind, or looking in the street,
    Them that ask no questions isn’t told a lie.
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by.

    Five and twenty ponies,
    Trotting through the dark –
    Brandy for the Parson, ‘Baccy for the Clerk.
    Laces for a lady; letters for a spy,
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by!

    Running round the woodlump if you chance to find
    Little barrels, roped and tarred, all full of brandy-wine,
    Don’t you shout to come and look, nor use ’em for your play.
    Put the brishwood back again – and they’ll be gone next day !

    If you see the stable-door setting open wide;
    If you see a tired horse lying down inside;
    If your mother mends a coat cut about and tore;
    If the lining’s wet and warm – don’t you ask no more !

    If you meet King George’s men, dressed in blue and red,
    You be careful what you say, and mindful what is said.
    If they call you ” pretty maid,” and chuck you ‘neath the chin,
    Don’t you tell where no one is, nor yet where no one’s been !

    Knocks and footsteps round the house – whistles after dark –
    You’ve no call for running out till the house-dogs bark.
    Trusty’s here, and Pincher’s here, and see how dumb they lie
    They don’t fret to follow when the Gentlemen go by !

    ‘If You do as you’ve been told, ‘likely there’s a chance,
    You’ll be give a dainty doll, all the way from France,
    With a cap of Valenciennes, and a velvet hood –
    A present from the Gentlemen, along ‘o being good !

    Five and twenty ponies,
    Trotting through the dark –
    Brandy for the Parson, ‘Baccy for the Clerk.
    Them that asks no questions isn’t told a lie –
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by !

    A Smuggler’s Song
    Rudyard Kipling

    Governments don’t seem to learn from history.

    Nobody minds a small donation to funds, I don’t think anyone would mind covering the costs of the alleged smoking-related diseases suffered by smokers and non-smokers alike, but when taxes are used as a deliberate and admitted punishment, history tells us that the bad guys become the people’s friends.

    • Jude says:

      Great poem, I love Rudyard Kipling.

      I think that the state sanctioned hatred against smokers, (that the ANTZ are trying desperately to ramp up), is to counter the very point you make about the tobacco black market, that no-one is particularly worried about, except the government and ANTZ.

      If they can get people to hate smokers enough, then they will be far more likely to “inform” on them if they choose to buy on sell on the black market. However it doesn’t appear to be working very well, as most people are not raving haters, and as smoking becomes an increasingly private act, the vast majority of non-smokers simply wouldn’t have a clue or see where people buy or sell tobacco products.

      How many people would take the trouble to report black market tobacco sales to the police or authorities, if they happened to gain knowledge of it, (bearing in mind that this is not something that crosses the minds of non-smokers apart from the haters in the tobacco control industry) ?

      I know first hand that the black market in Australia is huge, and growing, but no non-smokers in my town are even aware of its existence, or if they are they are not speaking about it. My guess would be the former, as this black market has no impact on their lives at all, they do not seek it out, and no smoker using the black market would tell anyone with authority to prosecute them, and there is simply not the resources to police it.

      This in turn allows the ANTZ to pretend that they are doing a wonderful job in cutting smoking rates, which is a lie, and to pretend that the black market doesn’t exist, or only exists in a very small way. This then becomes the “official” story so that the government can look good, the ANTZ keep their jobs, and if anyone questions the “official” story, their claims can be ignored or dismissed.

      Its fascinating to watch.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    Tobacco Taxation and Unintended Consequences: U.S. Senate Hearing on Tobacco Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded

    Drenkard Statement to U.S. Senate Finance Committee July 2014

    Hearing on Tobacco: Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded
    Before the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance

    Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Hatch, and members of the Committee:

    I appreciate the opportunity to submit this statement on tobacco taxes and their impact across the country. In the 77 years since our founding in 1937, the Tax Foundation has monitored tax policy trends at the federal and state levels, and our data and research are heavily relied upon by policymakers, the media, and the general public. Our analysis is guided by the idea that taxes should be as simple, neutral, transparent, and stable as possible, and as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, nonpartisan organization, we take no position on any pending legislation.

    We hope that the material we provide will be helpful in the Committee’s consideration of the issue.

    Executive Summary

    Tobacco taxes are the highest they have ever been in the United States. The federal rate currently stands at $1.0066 per pack of cigarettes, and state and local rates add as much as an additional $6.16 per pack (as in Chicago, Illinois). These combined rates are equivalent to a tax in excess of 200 percent in some locales.

    The high tax burden on tobacco results in de facto prohibition of the products, bringing all the undesirable outcomes associated with alcohol prohibition in the 1920s. In our research we have found evidence of substantial tobacco smuggling from low to high tax jurisdictions, violent crime, theft of tobacco and tobacco tax stamps, corruption of law-enforcement officers, and even funding of terrorist organizations through crime rings.

    http://taxfoundation.org/article/tobacco-taxation-and-unintended-consequences-us-senate-hearing-tobacco-taxes-owed-avoided-and-evaded

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      The high tax burden on tobacco results in de facto prohibition of the products, bringing all the undesirable outcomes associated with alcohol prohibition in the 1920s

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Regarding Obama’s promise of no new taxes on people making less than $250K — his first bill in office was the largest increase of federal tax on smokers in history (2200% on loose tobacco): http://taxfoundation.org/…/tax…/files/docs/072901403.jpg

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          High tobacco taxes do not lower smoking prevalence, they only shift the legal tobacco market to the illicit one. Pr. Robert Molimard (prominent tobacco expert) has this to say on the issue:

          ”For decades, we have been served a lie, with no tolerance for any criticism or challenge, namely: that the only effective method to reduce smoking prevalence is to increase the price of cigarettes. But since it does not work, they allege that it is because the increases are neither high enough nor frequent enough! But just as with their tactic of stigmatization of smokers, the high-price policy does not work.”

          Look at figure 3 and read the whole article at : cagecanadadotblogspotdotca/2010/12/beliefs-man

  7. Rose says:

    Sugar smuggling, once again it’s all about price.

    Sugar smuggling ‘soars in Hungary’ – 2004

    “Black-market trade in sugar across the Romanian border into Hungary has rocketed since Hungary joined the European Union, reports say.
    A 25-30% hike in the price of sugar in Hungary since EU entry means it is a more profitable form of contraband than petrol, a report on Hungarian radio said.

    Sugar in Hungary is now more than twice as expensive than in Romania.
    Warehouses have sprung up across the country from which sugar brought from Romania is being sold to wholesalers and small consumers.

    Traders avoid paying duty by bringing it in by the ton, which costs less than 175 euros (£117).”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3840795.stm

    China’s struggle with sugar smugglers far from over
    2013

    China’s battle against sugar smugglers working across southern borders is failing as it keeps domestic prices higher than the world market to support its own production, officials say.
    Beijing’s policy of stockpiling to support domestic prices and keep its farmers growing cane will also keep the profit incentive firmly in focus for the smugglers.

    “As long as there is a big price gap, smuggling will continue,” Liu Hande, vice chairman of the government-backed China Sugar Association, told Reuters.”
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/31/us-china-sugar-smuggling-idUSBRE90U05C20130131

    We use health lobbyists.

    Sugar tax to pay for treating obesity
    21 May 2015

    “Sugary foods may have to be taxed to cover the costs of treating obesity, a health minister has warned.
    George Freeman, the life sciences minister, said that food companies should be aware that if they continued to produce food that could lead to poor lifestyles and ill health they would be penalised.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11622500/Sugar-tax-to-pay-for-treating-obesity.html

  8. garyk30 says:

    Tobacco Control is a monstrous homophobic plot for discrimination.
    When gays are more adversely affected, it is not politically correct.

    The nannies should be put on notice!

    A startling disparity exists between the smoking rate in the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community compared to the general population, concludes a new report released by the American Lung Association.

    Researchers combed through more than 40 separate analyses to determine that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people are more likely to use tobacco.

    Specifically, gay men are nearly two and a half times more likely to develop a smoking habit than straight men.

    Lesbians are twice as likely compared to straight women, and people who are bisexual appear to have the highest risk of all.

    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/02/report-smoking-rate-within-lgbt-community-nearly-double-general-population/

  9. beobrigitte says:

    Authorities fume: 25% of cigarettes smuggled into Republic
    Why are authorities fuming? They brought in the smoking ban, so surely they were then (in 2004) anticipating that there was no more income via tobacco tax in 2010, let alone in 2015.

    And as the taxes keep rising, and the incentives for smugglers get bigger and bigger, maybe soon smuggling will account for 50% of Irish consumption.
    So, the Irish government misses the income from tobacco tax? Surely, the government has not understood what ASH et al plan – NO INCOME FROM TOBACCO TAX!!! A tobacco-free (*shudder*) country that calculates an income from tobacco tax? REALLY?

    I just wonder how the smuggling is done. Do they bring in container trucks full of cigarettes and hope to not get caught? Or do they land them in dead of night in one of Ireland’s many hidden coves? Or do they fly them in by plane, and drop them by parachute in remote areas?
    I have absolutely no idea!!! But then, I do not ask questions of that sort. Would I decline an offer of cheap tobacco? Of course not!!! Who would? Britain is taxing tobacco disproportionately to the rest of Europe – WHY???

    Chris Snowdon draws attention to a public consultation on an outdoor smoking ban by Brighton and Hove. Anyone can do it. It doesn’t ask for any address, email or otherwise. Although it does ask whether you think you were assigned the correct sex.
    I do suspect something sinister – I told them that I was homosexual. As Gary so nicely stated above: political correctness gets weird when homosexuals are the group of people with the highest rate of smokers! Although sexual orientation is thought to be ‘no problem’, many homo/bi-sexual people do not want to out themselves and will tell the “survey” that they are straight. I worked for >10 years with a male colleague who is gay – the only reason he outed himself was that 2 other couples did before him!! As far as I know his family still does not know….

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