Gun Control

Two news items caught my eye today. First up, Hillary Clinton:

In an emotional speech that heaped scorn and blame on America for failing to pass gun control measures while it supposedly perpetuates racism, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said white Americans need to “question our own assumptions and privilege.”

“We still allow guns to fall into the hands of people whose hearts are filled with hate. You can’t watch massacre after massacre and not come to the conclusion that President Obama has said, ‘We must tackle this challenge with urgency and conviction,’” she said to applause at the 83rd annual U.S. Conference of Mayors in San Francisco.

Clinton then outlined the steps she’d want to see.

It makes no sense that bipartisan legislation to require universal background checks fail in Congress despite overwhelming public support. It makes no sense that we couldn’t come together to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, or people suffering from mental illnesses. Even people on the terrorist watch list. That doesn’t make sense, and it is a rebuke to this nation we love and care about.

Second, Karl Rove:

WALLACE: How do we stop the violence?

ROVE: I wish I had an easy answer for that, but I don’t think there’s an easy answer.

We saw an act of evil. Racist, bigoted evil, and to me the amazing thing is that it was met with grief and love. Think about how far we’ve come since 1963. The whole weight of the government throughout the South was to impede finding and holding and bringing to justice the men who perpetrated the [Birmingham] bombing.

And here, we saw an entire state, an entire community, an entire nation come together, grieving as one and united in the belief that this was an evil act, so we’ve come a long way.

Now maybe there’s some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. I mean basically the only way to guarantee that we will dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to basically remove guns from society, and until somebody gets enough “oomph” to repeal the Second Amendment, that’s not going to happen.

In the aftermath of the latest shooting, that seems to be saying that both Republican and Democrat big shots now want gun control in the USA. Which suggests that it may not be long in coming.

And just when I’d become pro-gun!

I used not to be. I never saw any need to own a gun.

Two reasons. First came with the smoking ban. If they ever ban people smoking in their own homes (and they probably will, the way things are going), I’m going to want to have the heaviest weapon I can buy to gun down the law enforcement agents hammering on my door when they try to force me to stop. Because I intend to go down fighting.

Second reason is related to the first reason, and was touched on yesterday. If you foresee a looming civil war, even very far in the distance, wouldn’t you want some protection? Wouldn’t you want a gun?

The only reason that the USA is an independent state today is because it didn’t have gun control in the days of King George. Back then Americans didn’t have guns because they intended to fight the redcoats (who were, after all, their own people), but because they needed them for hunting and self defence. But it also meant that when the War of Independence broke out, there were plenty of people with enough guns to be able to fight the British army, and win. But for that, the British army would probably have won quickly against a defenceless population.

Ten years ago I thought differently. But the modern pogrom against smokers, and the growing division between the governed and the governing classes (as exemplified by the war on smokers) have flipped my opinion. In ‘normal’, civilised times, nobody really needs a gun. But in ‘abnormal’ times, when governments become tyrannical, and people start being persecuted, or robbers abound, everybody needs a gun. In my view, in the UK ‘normal’, civilised times ended on 1 July 2007, and we have been in ‘abnormal’, dangerous times ever since.

And if there are now US politicians who are calling for gun control, it’s probably because the USA has also entered ‘abnormal’, dangerous times, and they want to get as many guns out of their enemies’ (the US people’s) hands before it breaks out. I bet King George had similar ideas way back when.

I hope American citizens fight to the death for the right to bear arms.

We can’t buy guns in the UK, of course. And that means that UK politicians can trample all over UK citizens as much as they like: because they can’t really fight back. Not really fight back. But if anyone feels charitable, they might want to send me something a bit like this:heckler_and_koch

…plus a few thousand rounds of ammo.

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29 Responses to Gun Control

  1. waltc says:

    I’ll watch the rerun of the Wallace-Rove interview but I’m more than sure you’re misinterpreting Rove’s words. He was saying that gun control is impossible because the two premises he presents are impossible: no one is ever going to “remove guns” from this society which would entail going door to door w/o probable cause and searching houses, garages, digging up gardens, plowing through haystacks and confiscating every one of the rumored 300 million guns in America. If such a thing were ever tried, large numbers of legal gun owners would engage in shoot-outs. And illegal gun owners don’t hesitate to shoot cops and each other as it is now. Further, the Supreme Court already ruled that the Second Amendment means what it says and stands s it is.

    No gun control law or bkgd check would have prevented any of the mass shootings we’ve had here. None of the gunmen fit the criteria that would have stopped them from getting one. You can’t through any law, prevent people from becoming bent and that’s the crux of it. I just read, I think on Drudge last nite, that somewhere in Austria a wacko purposely drove his car into a crowd of 30-some people and those he didn’t kill that way, he began slashing with a knife. Where there’s a warped will, there’s a way and Hillary and Obama are again politicizing and demagoging on the graves of these victims.

  2. DenisO says:

    The low estimate of guns in America was 310 Million, the population of the Country and the number before Obama. Since his election, more guns have been purchased in every year than any ever in history. Hillary’s nonsense about the “will of the People” is going to see gun sales increase right along with the rhetoric. There are far more guns in America than people, a formidable consideration for any enemy.
    Gun control is more unpopular than it has ever been, and even the liberals who have ruined the big cities are beginning to wonder when the monsters they created will turn on them, and whether their ignored City gun laws are wise. Hillary knows the election is far enough off that she can risk anti-gun talk. Politicians in America, who do, loose elections, so I doubt her brain-handlers will allow her to speak publicly that way, again.

    • prog says:

      Plus over 120,000 in the hands of one particularly trigger happy group – Law enforcement. Not including The National Guard (most of whom probably have privately owned weapons).

      Then there’s Switzerland – high numbers of private guns, low gun-related crime. But not a broken/divisive society with millions in poverty and NO chance of improving their lives. One really can’t blame citizens for being poor and disenfranchised, so often caused by bad governance.

  3. nisakiman says:

    As the spokesmen for the NRA are fond of pointing out,”Guns don’t kill people; people kill people”. And as Walt says, if someone is bent on mayhem then they will achieve it, guns or no guns.

    Oddly enough, although the shootings in the church the other day are being portrayed (and talked up) as a purely racial attack, I read an interview with one of the perpetrator’s friends, who was black, and who said that the guy had never treated him any differently than he treated his white friends. Which rather points to the issue being used as a political tool.

    I believe it’s very much the case that the US government wants to disarm its citizens because it knows that as it encroaches ever further into peoples’ lives, resentment will grow, and that there will come a time when tipping point is reached. And several million angry gun owners is not a prospect that government wants to face.

  4. Rose says:

    We can’t buy guns in the UK, of course. And that means that UK politicians can trample all over UK citizens as much as they like: because they can’t really fight back

    We didn’t fight back when we had them. Too civilised by half, if you ask me. Our respect for the law is deeply ingrained, I think in our heads and hearts we still feel that we are living under Common Law rather than foreign diktat, probably because our elected representatives dress it up with fake polls and rigged public consultations. We only find out when it’s too late, that’s if we even bother to look.

    Notice how we never get referendums on fundamental changes to British life, we just get told that opinion polls we were not invitated to take part in, say that the vast majority of the public want this new imposition, but we rarely get shown the evidence or told exactly who was asked.

    I think that being a part of the EU where things are done differently has made our politicians somewhat blasé about things like democracy, until it suddenly bites them in the throat and for once they are the ones left shocked and in turmoil.
    Witness Labour and the Lib Dems.

  5. mikef317 says:

    Probably as the result of violence associated with prohibition, the U. S. began regulating guns in 1934.

    FD quote: “In the aftermath of the latest shooting…Republican and Democrat big shots now want gun control….” I think you seriously misread Rove’s comment. He said that the Second Amendment would have to be repealed, and that ain’t going to happen. (As a moderate Democrat, I wouldn’t touch the Amendment; certainly Republican won’t.)

    Read Walt’s comment. Except for “…Hillary and Obama are again… demagoging on the graves of these victims,” it is a reasonable description of the issue.

    Particularly on the far left and right, Democrats clamor for more restrictive laws, and Republicans say that we need more guns so “good guys” can defend themselves against “bad guys.” Many editorials and blog posts will be written, and there will be many hours of discussion on TV and radio.

    And not a damn thing will happen. Nor should it.

    You can’t pass laws that make people love their neighbors. Laws can’t cure the mentally ill. The problem of random killings cannot be resolved in the voting booth. Neither can it be ended by returning to the days of the Wild West where everyone (or many males at least) had a six-gun strapped around their waist.

    There is now, and will be in the next few days, much pontificating. And then some other issue will capture public attention. Gun control will fade from view. Until the next mass shooting. As it has at least from the assignation of John F Kennedy, the cycle will repeat.

    I’m not smart enough to think of a solution. Neither, as far as I can see, is anyone else.

  6. “In ‘normal’, civilised times, nobody really needs a gun”

    Nobody ‘needs’ to smoke. I shoot for sport, it’s good fun. I don’t need to do it but I do like to do it.
    In normal clivilised times there will always be the need for self defence, also. Something our government (And increasing numbers in the American one) think we shouldn’t be allowed to have, even though they can’t provide it themselves.

  7. jltrader says:

    ‘The mechanism by which exposure to second-hand smoke puts them at greater risk of becoming overweight could be hard to establish but the researchers seem happy with their findings.

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    this is just too ridiculous to comment.

  8. margo says:

    Anyone know where Harleyrider’s gone? If you’re reading, Harley, I hope you’re OK!

  9. beobrigitte says:

    “We still allow guns to fall into the hands of people whose hearts are filled with hate.

    We do live in a country in which there is a gun law, nevertheless, people whose hearts are filled with hate still get hold of guns.

    • nisakiman says:

      And this, Brigitte, is what politicians cannot, or will not, understand.

      If I decided today that I wanted a gun, by the end of the week I would have a gun (or an assault rifle, or a machine gun, or a bloody bazooka, whatever), with ammunition. And that applies equally here or in UK. It wouldn’t be difficult at all, as long as I had the money to pay for it. Gun laws are just another of those pointless pieces of legislation that make politicians feel like they are ‘doing something’ to justify their salary and position.

  10. Mr A says:

    The smoking ban has affected my attitude to gun control, too. I could never see WHY people in a civilised 21st century society needed multiple lethal firearms. Now I see that if THEY want to take it away, there must be a reason for it; same as Tobacco Control – it’s about control. I also applaud the NRA for not giving an inch, on even “sensible” compromises like assault rifles and the like. They’ve seen that when it comes to these people an inch becomes a mile, the “We only want a smokefree area on longhaul flights” turns into “We want smoking (and even vaping!) banned outside or in your own, sealed car where we can’t even smell it.” So good on the NRA for recognising this and not budging an inch. If only smokers had done the same….

  11. Mr A says:

    I do find American’s attitudes to freedom confusing, though. On the one hand some people in certain bits of the country seem to be of the opinion that not being able to open carry an assault rifle is a direct impingement on their liberty and that Federal shackles will be the next step. Yet the same people seem quite happy for the State to prohibit a legal activity on a privately owned property where the owner of that property actually wants you to do it. Admittedly, I understand that even in New York the smoking ban is nowhere near as draconian as here (I’ve avoided going because of their ban but several people have told me that there are places where you can smoke), but still, I found the lack of uproar about smoking bans to be really confusing.

  12. harleyrider1978 says:


    Today I found out that VA will only pay and provide one year of PLAVIX to vets. The reason is that the normal treatment is 1 year and then to 85mg asprin per day UNLESS YOU SMOKE. There in was the change they weren’t going to pay for a drug that would allow a Veteran to continue to smoke and safely. The good news is that generic Plavix is available at 16 bucks a bottle of 30 and all you need is your Doc to write the script.

    Also I heard the whole anti-smoking scare tactics from the VA PCP Head Physicians assistance and I toe her a new one when she strated making claims that were totally unfounded. Then when I asked who says what your saying is true out marched the ACS,ALA,AHA etc etc………I told her every one of those groups were nothing more than political action committees and did she ever read the actual studies they made certain claims too. I said my brother has smoked for 12 years with 2 stints same as me now and smokes 2 packs a day with NO PROBLEMS…………

    Even more went down and I found out VA is 25 years behind the times treating heart condition still using only Coumadin therapy and she said Id have to go stay at the VA hospital for 2 days to get coagulated for a clot caused in my arm when I was tied and held down for 4 days with a BP cup on auto that caused it. My brother finally cut it off with his buck knife to stop more harm to me.

    Now I called the Doc at the hospital in gallatin that caused the clot and the abuse to myself which is an OFFICIAL ETHICS violation and was even written up as such by centennial hospital surgeons………..LAWSUIT ANYONE.

    Anyway the docs office gave me enuf free 20mg meds to get me thru the 9week course of therapy for nothing,we just have to pick it up tomorrow.

    Thing is I got so damned mad about all the BS I came completely out of my PTSD panic styled attacks and went on the offensive.

    Now I found out my ex wife who has thyroid induced cancer which is going away TG was given the FEAR SPEECH to and put on PHLAVIX for no reason at all.

    Whats happened is Ive seen first hand Pharmas attack plan to be used at the weakest and most scariest moment in a persons life just so they pharma and the Nazis can push their agenda………..

    They have no care how much harm they do anyone nor fear they induce.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      PS the 530 bucks I spent on the first day out of the hospital for ” THE TREATMENT PROGRAM” of xarelto for the first 3 weeks will likely not be paid to me since VA does not use it…………nor my pain meds or Xanax for sleeping and anxiety plus a few others. My whole check that was left over for june went to paying for meds out of pocket at the drug store at full price. VA did however supply me with Plavix for the one year and a cholesterol drug that I don’t even know I need to take to start with as I had no more than a 30% build up in one small area save the 2 spots the BIAXIN caused that they dissolved and then stinted anyway. I was perfectly healthy other than that!

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    Guns I can talk all day about but Im gonna stay calm. Doc said 2-3 weeks back to full duty again.

    Meanwhile Im doing my forced indoor walking excercsises and sleeping resting and just taking her easy. Would like a few friends to come by been a tad lonely……….But by God my wife is my angel and we are fixing to start getting her houses she cleans layed back to just 2-3 a week and spend our time together as a family unit. I even told her take over all the finances and you can just tell me if we can afford something. Im ready after this to go the whole married thing she saved me and she is my whole being now! love her so much…………

  14. legiron says:

    I’ll stick with my bows and blades. Silent and re-useable and if they were all taken away, I could make new ones.

    I wouldn’t be much use with a gun anyway. I’d probably do more harm to myself than anyone else with it.

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