Uglifying Cigarettes

Via Chris Snowdon and Simon Clark, this story:

Cigarettes could soon be produced in unpleasant colours, with health warnings emblazoned across the stick, under new proposals to make smoking unglamorous.

Experts believe the white papers which traditionally encase tobacco have connotations of purity and cleanliness.

They have conducted research which suggests producing cigarettes in unappealing browns and greens, to represent yellowing teeth or even phlegm, will make them look distasteful, particularly to style-conscious young women.

Government officials are understood to be looking closely at the study, which is based on the observations of 120 men and women who regularly light up…

The UK is already preparing for next year’s introduction of standardised cigarette packets, which will be stripped of branding and produced in a bland colour with large picture warnings.

Now the standardised packaging revolution could target the contents of the packs.

I had foreseen this.

I don’t think that it’ll make an iota of difference. Because I don’t think there’s such a thing as an ugly or unappealing colour. A lot of cigarettes are brown already. And some are yellow.

The cigarettes I smoke already aren’t very appealing. My roll-ups are usually a bit lumpy. And sometimes they’re bent as well. Not that I give a damn.

What I want to know is: if they can play around with the packaging outside, what’s to stop them playing around with the product inside, and introducing toxic chemicals into the tobacco or paper?

I can see how they might justify it. They’d probably say that smoking cigarettes kills most smokers anyway, so the addition of further toxins (e.g. arsenic) won’t make any difference to something that’s highly toxic already.

And also, if they can’t persuade smokers to stop smoking, then killing smokers will be the only path left. The Final Solution. All “for their own good”, of course.

And do they start doing the same with alcohol, sugar, etc? Are these also going to be laced with arsenic in the name of Public Health?

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41 Responses to Uglifying Cigarettes

  1. Indeed a question I wonder. What is to stop them from tampering with the product inside? Nothing. I wouldn’t put it past them either.

  2. marieengling says:

    Brown sugar is very healthy :) And I too don’t have any colors I dislike, no artist has that, if so, they couldn’t paint a picture. Brown or green cigarettes are fine for me. The antis are so naive and without any imagination at all.

  3. The Blocked Dwarf says:

    “producing cigarettes in unappealing browns “

    Because the Government doing anything that suggests, or even hints, at any negative connotation with the colours brown or black (or any shade inbetween) is likely to happen?

    CAMERON TO MAKE FAGS NIGGER BROWN! The Daily Xenophobe could piss off two groups of The Usual Suspects in one headline…gotta be a winner.

    Remember the squeals from the Olive Growers Lobby when the gov.oz declared they wanted to introduce ‘olive’ Green as the colour for their Plain Packs? I reckon implying that the colour brown is unappealing will go down a real treat in Brixton…mahn.

  4. Frank, you wrote, “What I want to know is: if they can play around with the packaging outside, what’s to stop them playing around with the product inside, and introducing toxic chemicals into the tobacco or paper? I can see how they might justify it. They’d probably say that smoking cigarettes kills most smokers anyway, so the addition of further toxins (e.g. arsenic) won’t make any difference to something that’s highly toxic already.”

    They’ve already done that AND made that precise argument with the Fire Safe Cigarettes. The FSC’s are known, without any dispute, to put out extra toxins for the smokers. And I believe either Glantz or Banzhaf shrugged this off with a comment about it being like jumping off a ten story building instead of a seven story building.

    Now of course if the FSCs had been developed by the tobacco companies to IMPROVE the enjoyment of smoking G & B and the rest of the Antis would have been screaming to high holy heaven about the extra risks involved.

    By the way… have you seen all those studies showing the drastic reduction in home fires and fire deaths since the FSCs were introduced?


    Odd… I haven’t either.

    – MJM

  5. smofunking says:

    As I see it, I don’t think you could make the paper of prefab snouts much worse than it already is. When people complain about the ‘stink’ of cigarettes, I believe that it’s the aroma of the paper that is the main protagonist.

    I smoke whole leaf tobacco with pure hemp rolling papers but I have experimented with cigarette tubes and the difference is significant. With pure hemp papers the fragrance left behind consists purely of tobacco but with the tubes there is an added acrid aroma that lingers for a significant period of time afterwards.

    There are also ‘fire safe’ papers, which contain cellulose and other polymers that give smokers side effects such as headaches, according to accounts that I’ve read.

    Unfortunately, the major tobacco companies have now become so gutless that I wouldn’t put it past them to modify cigarettes to any formula they’re instructed to without telling their customers about it.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Carpet Glues in every speed bump fire section down the tube and PM invented it with the Nazis full support.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Heres the gig as soon as you mess with the taste on premium brands and they start tasting like dirt. Its real easy to move to the bootleg market and smoke that trash baccy………Which means once your use to it TAXES from die hard smokers by premium sales will tank and die………..its a fact.

  6. magnetic01 says:

    A few weeks ago a 12-month “trial” smoking ban went into effect in [outdoor] Martin Place in the Sydney (New South Wales, Australia) CBD.

    Of course, there are the standard straight-out lies concerning “harm” –
    “Thousands of people pass through Martin Place every day, so it’s important we make the right decision for our workers, residents, visitors and businesses.
    “This trial ban will protect visitors including many children and families by reducing their exposure to harmful second-hand tobacco smoke.

    And now it’s not even enough to simply put up “no smoking” signs. Now it’s become a point of antismoker “pride”:

    Martin Place
    Proud to be

    In the following links you can check out the considerable expense (see pics) incurred by the Sydney City Council in placing numerous [expensive] banners high up through Martin Place declaring “Proud to be Smokefree”

  7. Smoking Lamp says:

    This insanity must stop! Daily antismoker propaganda gets thicker. New bans new steps toward denormalization and demonization of smokers. On the bright side there is also growing evidence of a backlash. Hopefully that gains strength!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      One of the top cops in Maccau gets busted and raided smoking and partying with other people. They even stripped his leading roll as a WHO FCTC representative position.

    • magnetic01 says:

      More harebrained ideas from the antismoking unintelligentsia – cigarette packs designed to “annoy”:

      And then our good friend Simon Crapman has proposed scratch n sniff warning labels with the aroma of cadavrine (from the putrefication of animal tissue).

      He tweeted earlier today (1 Feb 2012, 10:08am)

      @SimonChapman6: Next step in cig pack warnings?Scratch’n sniff tabs.Cadavarine or putrescine = smell/gangrene from periph.vasc.disease

    • Frank Davis says:

      Cigarette packets to play audio health warnings in fresh anti-smoking

      This has to be a joke, surely.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Frank they have a small chip with a sound effect in birthday cards and have had for at least 15 years. Putting that in a pack of smokes would take nothing to do it except the costs………… But whats great is the message would only play mabe 2-3 times before its power would be wasted. But then again you could guess the age of the smokes if the sound didn’t play……… batteries degrade over time or capacitor fed power sources also slowly degrade to nothing as their capacitance devalues.

      • magnetic01 says:

        It ain’t a joke, Frank……. and please don’t call me “surely” :)

  8. Rose says:

    All this proves is that anti-smokers have a strong dislike of natural colours.
    Looking out of my window at the garden I can see every one except the Sea Green.

    You’ll find the proposed colours here.

    Unfortunately they don’t intend to use the beautiful Spring Green featured in the document from the University of Otago.

    • Rose says:

      Textile designers clearly don’t think that they are unnattractive colours either.

      Just for fun, google Robin Paintbox DK 100g – 1119 Caterpillar and see the colours in my sweater.

  9. Vince says:

    “Improving” imagery etc. has largely never been about health.You’d have to be living on a different planet,likely in a different galaxy/universe,to have missed the older warnings.What they have become is an example of one ratz group trying to best the others.A type of penis envy-mine’s bigger/better than yours.They certainly do not prevent youth or new smoking as claimed.The packages have been hidden by legislation lobbied for by the ratz.They’d likely have to buy a pack (several to get the full set) to see the “imagery”.(which would be a smoking rate increase if based on sales which it is at times)

    The ratz have tried many things over the years to make tobacco appear worse.There were the nicotine claims,”toxic”,”poisonous” etc.Here they failed to mention that nicotine-free cigarettes had been made for decades.Philip Morris used to make them.(others do now) They tried urea (urine),poo (both human & animal iirc) & the gadzillions of other “harmful” chemicals.(there’s only about 17 that have levels that are worth monitoring-too low) Hmm…was thinking of the “fire safe” smokes.These actually make smoking worse (by their standards) for everyone.(added “harmful” chemicals,more smoke upon relighting-for a bit anyway,etc.) A quick Google for “fire safe cigarettes side effects” produces many “dire” results.(looks like the ratz should be banned-the science is just as “good” as theirs) This reminds me of the fire retardant ban fans.Some of these are also ratz,like the Governor of California;Jerry Brown.(hmm…he’d have to ban himself) The original “harmful” chemical that upset these people was voluntarily removed over a decade ago.

    A quick look at fire stats does not show any improvement in even the most ardent ratz states.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Monday, January 25, 2010

      R.J. Reynolds Publishes Cigarette Ingredients by Brand; Shows Stupidity of FDA Tobacco Law and Demonstrates that Anti-Smoking Groups are Full of Crap
      Proving untrue the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids’ assertion that the FDA tobacco law will allow us, for the first time, to find out the ingredients in cigarettes, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company has published online the complete list of ingredients for each of its cigarette brands, along with the maximum amount of each ingredient.

      As R.J. Reynolds points out, most of the additives are either commonly used in foods and beverages, explicitly approved for use in food by the FDA, or generally recognized as safe for use in foods.

      Here is the complete list of ingredients, other than tobacco, used by R.J. Reynolds in the manufacture of its cigarettes:
      Acetic Acid
      Ammonium Alginate
      Ammonium Hydroxide
      Amyl Butyrate
      Amyl Octanoate
      Amyris Oil
      Anisic Aldehyde
      Ascorbic Acid
      Balsams, Peru
      Beeswax Resinoid
      Benzoic Acid
      Benzyl Alcohol
      Benzyl Benzoate
      Benzyl Cinnamate
      Bornyl Acetate
      Brown Sugar
      Butanoic Acid, 3-Methyl-, 4-Methylphenyl Ester
      Butanol, 3-Methyl-, Benzoate, 1-
      Butyl Alcohol
      n-Butyl Isovalerate
      Butyric Acid
      Caramel Color
      Caramel (Plain)
      Carbon Dioxide
      Cardamon Oil
      Carob Bean Extract
      Carrot Seed Oil
      Caryophyllene Oxide
      Celery Seed Oil
      Cellulose Fiber
      Chicory Extract
      Chocolate Liquor
      Cinnamon Bark Oil
      Citric Acid
      Citronella Oil
      Clary Sage Oil
      Cocoa (Extract, Powder, Extractive, Tincture, Distillate, Absolute)
      Coffee Beans, Ground
      Coriander Oil
      Corn Syrup
      Davana Oil
      Decanoic Acid
      Diammonium Phosphate
      Diethyl Malonate
      Dimethyl Benzyl Carbinol Butyrate
      Dimethyl Sulfide
      Ethyl Acetate
      Ethyl Benzoate
      Ethyl Butyrate
      Ethyl Caproate
      Ethyl Cyclotene
      Ethyl Decanoate
      Ethyl Heptanoate
      Ethyl Levulinate
      Ethyl Maltol
      Ethyl Methyl Phenyl Glycidate
      Ethyl Myristate
      Ethyl Nonanoate
      Ethyl Octanoate
      Ethyl Pentanoate
      Ethyl Phenylacetate
      3-Ethyl Pyridine
      Ethyl Vanillin
      2-Ethyl-3,5(or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
      Fenugreek Absolute/Extract
      Fenugreek Seed
      Fig Juice Concentrate
      Geranium Bourbon Oil
      Geranyl Acetone
      Glycerides, mixed decanoyl and octanoyl
      Guar Gum

      Helichrysum Absolute
      Heptanoic Acid
      Hexanoic Acid
      3-Hexanoic Acid
      cis-3-Hexen-1-yl Acetate
      Hexyl Acetate
      Hexyl Phenylacetate
      High Fructose Corn Syrup
      Hydroxyphenyl)-Butan-2-one, 4-(para-
      Invert Sugar
      Isoamyl Acetate
      Isoamyl Butyrate
      Isoamyl Isovalerate
      Isobutyl Phenylacetate
      2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxy Pyrazine
      Isovaleric Acid
      Jasmine Absolute
      Labdanum Absolute
      Lactic Acid
      Lauric Acid
      Lemon Oil
      Lemongrass Oil
      Levulinic Acid
      Licorice Extract Powder
      Lime Oil
      Linalool Oxide
      Linalyl Acetate
      Linoleic Acid
      Lovage Root
      Mate Extract
      Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
      Methyl Linoleate/Methyl Linolenate
      2-Methyl Pentanoic Acid
      Methyl Salicylate
      trans-2-Methyl-2-Butenoic Acid
      Methyl-2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
      2-Methyl-3((5 or 6)Furfurylthio)pyrazine
      2-Methylbutyric Acid
      3-Methylvaleric Acid
      Myristic Acid
      Myrrh Absolute
      Myrrh Extract
      Myrrh Oil
      Neroli Bigarade Oil
      Nonanoic Acid
      Octanoic Acid
      2-Octenal, (E)-
      Olibanum Oil
      Orange Oil
      Orange Oil Terpenes
      Orange Sweet Terpeneless Oil
      Orris Root Extract
      Palmitic Acid
      Patchouli Oil
      Pogostemon cablin Benth
      Patchouly Absolute
      Pepper Oil, Black
      Peppermint Oil, Terpeneless
      Peru Balsam Oil
      Phenyl-2-Propenoic Acid Ethyl Ester, 3-
      Phenyl-2-Propenoic Acid, 3-
      Phenyl Acetic Acid
      Phenethyl Acetate
      Phenethyl Alcohol
      Potassium Carbonate
      Potassium Sorbate
      Propyl Acetate
      Propylene Glycol
      Prune Juice Concentrate
      Rose Oil (Turkish)
      Rosemary Oil
      Salicylic Aldehyde
      Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
      Sodium Carbonate
      Sodium Citrate
      Scotch Spearmint Oil
      alpha-Terpinyl Acetate
      Triethyl Citrate
      2,6,6-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexene-1, 4-Dione
      4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-enyl) but-2-en-4-one
      Valerian Root Oil
      Vanilla Oleoresin
      Vetiver Oil
      Violet Leaves Absolute
      Wheat AbsoluteR.J. Reynolds also provides the specific combination of ingredients present in each brand of its cigarettes. For example, the ingredients in Camel Filters Hard Pack are:


      brown sugar;
      propylene glycol;
      high fructose corn syrup;
      cellulose fiber;
      diammonium phosphate;
      ammonium hydroxide; and
      natural and artificial flavors.The Rest of the Story

      The stupidity of the FDA tobacco law, crafted by the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids and supported by the major, national anti-smoking groups, is that in response to this list of ingredients, the FDA has the authority to eliminate every single one of them …

      … except for the tobacco.

      All the above are already FDA approved Food additives! Its in everything you consume in one fashion or another and quite safe!

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    RIP: Over 100 newspapers dumped in year, ads down 50%, circulation hits bottom

    (SOTT) The demise of big city print media, displayed in full by the painfully slow sale of the mammoth New York Daily News, is going nationwide as ad sales decline 50 percent and circulation plummets, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis

    According to their report, “The Declining Value Of U.S. Newspapers,” just three different media companies in 2014 alone decided to dump more than 100 newspaper properties. Pew said the companies spun off the money-losing properties “in large part to protect their still-robust broadcast or digital divisions.”

    The Daily News, on the block since February, has yet to be sold and is now being eyed by Captiol Hill’s newspaper The Hill, which may turn it into a digital operation like the Washington Examiner, Huffington Post, Brietbart and the Daily Caller.

    The Pew report is short and very unsweet:

    Over the past two decades, major newspapers across the country have seen a recurring cycle of ownership changes and steep declines in value.

    The San Diego Union-Tribune was the latest example of this, as it officially changed ownership hands Thursday for the third time in six years. This most recent purchase came from Tribune Publishing Co. for the amount of $85 million (including nine community papers). Still waiting for a buyer is the 96-year-old New York tabloid the Daily News, which owner Mort Zuckerman put on the sale block this spring. But there seems to be far from a stampede of interested buyers.

    Steep revenue and circulation declines across the newspaper industry have left many newspapers struggling. Over the past decade, weekday circulation has fallen 17% and ad revenue more than 50%. In 2014 alone, three different media companies decided to spin off more than 100 newspaper properties, in large part to protect their still-robust broadcast or digital divisions. founder Jeff Bezos may have stunned many with his $250 million purchase of The Washington Post, which was last sold at auction in 1933, but other recent sales of major papers show dramatic devaluation and suggest a tough road ahead for the newspaper industry.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Comments Are Effective

      Posted on January 24, 2014 by Frank Davis

      Via Facebook:

      Commentary accompanying anti-smoking public service announcements (PSAs) in online forums like YouTube has an impact on the PSA’s overall effectiveness. Both negative and positive comments accompanying PSAs degrade the persuasiveness of the videos.

      According to researchers from the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication, viewer commentary on PSAs have become an integral part of a PSA’s overall message.

      “One thing is very clear: It is no longer possible to consider the influence of news or other messages in the public information environment apart from the comments which follow them,” write Rui Shi, a doctoral candidate at Annenberg, and Profs. Paul Messaris and Joseph N. Cappella.

      I guess that means that if you write “Baloney!” under an antismoking ad, it really does make it less persuasive.

      “The detrimental effect of comments […] seems to suggest anti-smoking PSAs would be better off without comments, especially if the PSAs are strong or if the target audience is somewhat ready to quit smoking,” they write. The power of audience participation via social media is clearly a double-edge sword.

      I must remember that.

      But it isn’t really very surprising. I’m very often as interested in the comments under something as I am in the main item.

      And if comments aren’t permitted, I tend to wonder why. I usually conclude that they’re trying to shut people up, or they don’t want to know what anyone else thinks.

      Which happens to be true for Tobacco Control.

      • Jude says:

        I’ve also noticed that many of the “junk science” anti-vaping articles that have been plastered all over the media lately, are taking away the ability to comment. Seems they don’t like being called out for their lies.

        After all the lies about tobacco smoking, and now the lies about vaping, have left a lot of people very reticent to believe anything that comes from tobacco control.

        ANTZ have cried wolf over and over again, and we all know the ending to that story.

  11. pubcurmudgeon says:

    I remember in the late 70s copying Kojak by smoking long, thin, dark brown-coloured More cigarettes.

    And during US Prohibition poison was deliberately put in industrial alcohol to deter people from drinking it, leading to thousands of deaths. There is a precedent!

  12. irocyr says:

    Poisoning smokers because they’ll die anyway? It has already been said Frank:
    ”Smokers urged to keep taking Champix even if it can lead to suicide: Alisa Rutter, director of Fresh – the campaign for a Smoke Free North East in the UK – said: “We are talking about a fairly unhealthy section of the population anyway … one in two will die because of smoking.”

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    Study Shows Obese Patients, Smokers have Lower Risk of Dying from Stroke | Medical Observer

    Study Shows Obese Patients, Smokers have Lower Risk of Dying from Stroke Posted by: Medical Observer May 12, 2015 0 123 Views ADULT HEALTH –…

    “Dr. Vishal Jani, interventional neurology fellow, Michigan State University, East Lansing, presented results of a study showing that current or former smokers have a lower adjusted in-hospital mortality from acute ischemic stroke.”

  14. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just when you thought even there most lunatic claims were out on deep space along comes this

    The News International

    Secondhand smoking causes weight gain

    The News International

    The lungs provide a vast interface with our environment and this research shows that a response to involuntary smoking includes altering systemic …

  15. beobrigitte says:

    And do they start doing the same with alcohol, sugar, etc? Are these also going to be laced with arsenic in the name of Public Health?

    It has already begun!
    Instead of arsenic, media spewed acid is being used. I sat through quite a few episodes of “Benefit Britain” (Channel 5 on demand) without enjoyment. I needed to see what the drive behind such a series was.
    Quite frankly, as someone who had been on “benefit” (totalling £4800/year) I do not understand where these people get the figures of £31 000/year from. Surely income support has not increased by this much?
    The people struggling the most were shown to be SMOKERS. Is this in order to get us, the tax paying population, up in arms against these people?
    With a kind of glee some of them were portrait to be UKIP voters. Ah, ja.

    Then channel 5 had another programme “Benefits” – this one turned out to be one of these “health” programme. The ages of the people were changed (the leg amputated smoker of “57” looked more like “77”…. – c’mon, folks!!!) to fit the healthists’ picture they want to peddle.

    Needless to say, I could not bring myself to watch this one to the end. It’s such a load of rubbish!

    As for changing the colour of cigarettes/cigarette packets: people will go for it! As a non-coca cola drinker I was drawn to that diarrhea/olive green wrapper which stated that ONLY NATURAL sugar was used in this one.
    The tobacco I buy has been made of ONLY NATURAL tobacco – perhaps I should go and find an internet site that sells tobacco leaves to wrap my tobacco in?

  16. beobrigitte says:

    Off topic

    I did notice the Austrian government had invited the Australians to compete at the EUPOPEAN SONG CONTEST.
    I was a little puzzled about this. Then something began to nag – the Austrians are resilient people – they DO NOT WANT A SMOKING BAN.
    Were the Australians there to tell the whole of Vienna HOW WONDERFUL a smoking ban etc. ( etc is the crap that follows) is????

    David tobacco industry meets Goliath tobacco control?

    As a solution to all this nonsense I can only advise people to ignore anything funded by tobacco control and light up as a sign of being a member of the of resistance. I see many of us on a daily basis – and they are not guiltily huddling in a dark corner.

    As for “smokers are 60% likely less to vote” – find out in 4 years time that you have been conned.

  17. smokingscot says:

    Despite the fact you don’t have a telly, doubtless you’ll know that there’s been a wee bit of a shift in Spanish politics. A whole bunch of little parties, mainly left wing have sort of given Prime Minister Rajoy something to think about, most notably sitting down and negotiating coalitions, albeit with his party still getting most of the votes.

    As I have a sort of personal interest in Barcelona, it was interesting that a very nice lady whooped the nationalists, so no more of these attempts to emulate Scotland… for now!

    Then there’s the fingers crossed one in Poland. A relatively young chappie who happens to have a wonderfully easy name to pronounce – Mr. Duda – (I extract the Michael not) got about 53% of the votes in the Presidential election. He’s sort of right wing and not especially impressed with the EU – and to show that he’s there to serve the people of Poland, he got himself a mobile catering truck and personally served coffee to a whole stack of people.

    Okay it was for the cameras and he only served about a dozen or so (bewildered) pedestrians, and a chap driving a refuse truck, but I thought it was quite remarkable, even if – in reality – he was surrounded with guys with earpieces and bulges under their armpits who I assume are his minders.

  18. harleyrider1978 says:

    House Call for Health reported that nicotine maybe no worse for your health than caffeine.

    With the popularity of e-cigs, researchers are looking into whether it is the burning or material (plant material or otherwise) that is the major problem and not so much nicotine itself.

  19. site info says:

    Its common knowledge that cigarettes are unhealthy and its a beautiful lie to believe that smoking”natural” cigarettes are any healthier. As long as we continue paying into Social Security and die before we can collect it, politicians and their sponsors will continue to feed the general public that same lie.

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