The True Powers of Darkness

Oh dear.  H/T Rose and Harley:

During the debate, each panellist was asked whether the smoking ban should be extended to private parks. They each said no apart from Mr Dalgleish, who said it should.

“I am thinking of parks where there are lots of children around,” he added.

UKIP has pledged to amend the smoking ban to allow pubs to open “smoking rooms”, provided they are well ventilated and separate from the rest of the premises.

In October, the party’s deputy leader Paul Nuttall described a proposal to ban smoking in public parks as “nonsense” and a “gross infringement of people’s liberties”.

A party spokeswoman said: “There is no written policy from UKIP on banning smoking in parks. Prof Dalgleish, as one of the country’s leading oncologists, was giving his personal opinion as he is more than entitled to do”.

Each party representative agreed that 24-hour alcohol licensing, introduced by the Labour government, had been a “mistake”, while Prof Dalgleish agreed with the Green Party’s Jillian Creasy on the need for a “sugar tax”.

Another loose UKIP cannon. Not only does he want a park smoking ban, but he also wants to restrict alcohol sales and introduce a sugar tax.

I sometimes wonder whether these people joined UKIP as agents provocateurs simply in order to embarrass the leadership when they first got an opportunity to do so. At the present rate, I wou’t be at all surprised if some UKIP candidate comes out in favour of ducking stools and jus primae noctis.

Simon Clark carried the story, but it was another story he had which also caught my eye.

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned I’d been invited to take part in a debate at the Oxford Union next month.

The motion – ‘This House believes that the tobacco industry is morally reprehensible’ – is designed to generate a heated discussion about whether the tobacco companies should be treated as pariahs.

When I was approached in March I was told I’d be speaking alongside a senior tobacco industry executive but I wasn’t told who we’d be debating against.

Two weeks ago I found out, via Twitter, that the Union’s first choice speakers were Simon Chapman, Australia’s leading anti-tobacco campaigner, and fellow Aussie Mike Daube.

For various reasons Chapman couldn’t do it but what irked him, after he had already turned down the invitation, was the discovery that the debate was being ‘supported’ by Imperial Tobacco. (See Simon Chapman and the Oxford Union.)

After his outburst I wondered if the debate would go ahead and who would propose the motion. Last night I found out.

Speaking for the proposition are Baroness Finlay of Llandaff, professor of palliative medicine and a member of House of Lords, and our old friend Professor Gerard Hastings, founder of the Centre for Tobacco Control Research and a “special government adviser” on tobacco control.

I also discovered that I will no longer be joined by a representative of the tobacco industry but by Mark Littlewood, director general of the IEA.

Tobacco Control wouldn’t accept either tobacco company sponsorship of the debate, or representatives of the tobacco companies speaking.

It reminded me that Tobacco Control has always acted to thoroughly demonise tobacco companies. I’m surprised that the motion isn’t “‘This House believes that the tobacco industry is in league with the Devil and the Powers of Darkness.” Because that’s what TC’s view of them actually seems to be.

I’m always a bit surprised at the intensity of their hatred for the business on which the wealth of America was first founded. But there may be a simple explanation for it – and it is that the more satanic that an opponent can be made to appear, the more necessary it arguably becomes to match his fire with your own fire in the cause of fighting against him.

One example of this might be drawn from WW2, when in the process of fighting the evil of Nazism, the Allies very arguably committed a few atrocities of their own – one of which was the firebombing of Dresden. (I knew a schoolteacher who had been a bomb-aimer over Dresden, and he was consumed with guilt at what he had done.) Other examples might include Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of these specific instances, it probably provided considerable mitigating influence that these acts were carried out while Fighting Evil.

And the same applies with Tobacco Control. For while they can present themselves as fighting against the Very Incarnation of Evil (in the form of tobacco companies), they are free to commit any number of their own atocities.

For myself I think that smoking bans, display bans, plain packaging, etc, are all atrocities of one sort or other. But TC can get away with it while they are Fighting Evil. So it’s important for them to build up and maintain the image of satanic tobacco companies.

Because it people should ever start seeing tobacco companies as selling an innocuous dried and cured plant, that has been cultivated in America for thousands of years, they might start to see the real malefactors, the true Powers of Darkness, not so much in the tobacco companies, but more in Tobacco Control.


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16 Responses to The True Powers of Darkness

  1. castello2 says:

    Tobacco control has become worse than tobacco companies ever were.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Actually I cant recall where the tobacco companies were ever evil………..

      Risk is something you have to grow to believe in,Facts are something that are proven scientifically and are repeatable every time in a lab.

      Nothing in any tobacco case has ever brought forth a fact backed by repeatedly proven other labs in any claim ever made.

      That’s what Judge Nimos case was all about.

      Then when a so called non-profit said they were going to sue for victims in court I called them and asked the man,Have you read the Mctear case………..He goes oh yes.

      I said so how are you going to when a case with NO PROOF OF HARM

      He said well in Europe its different here we can get people to BELIEVE IT………….

      That’s a direct QUOTE…………Judge shopping and jury stacking…….

  2. Rose says:

    I sometimes wonder whether these people joined UKIP as agents provocateurs simply in order to embarrass the leadership when they first got an opportunity to do so

    My morning reading.

    I have seen all manner of attacks, misquotes,defamation, allegedly fake websites, stolen posters, smashed campaign offices and some downright stupidity on the part of the candidates, it’s not so bad if it’s on the local papers but Professor Dalgleish was different, he genuinely said it and he said it to the nation on the BBC.
    Mercifully, no one seems to have picked up on it so far, perhaps their holding it in reserve.

    I must admit that I’m quite enjoying this election, it even beats 2005 in it’s deviousness, it seems that everyone is having a go including those who are supposed to be impartial.

    “I smeared my opponents, bribed the press to be on my side, and threatened to torture the electorate if we lost! I fail to see what more a decent politician could have done!”
    Dish and Dishonesty – Blackadder

    • Rose says:

      Just watching the Daily Politics, they showed the clip of Professor Dalgleish again and Andrew Neil said they had asked UKIP for further details of their policy of banning smoking in parks but no spokesman was available. He suggested that if anyone at UKIP would like to come and discuss their plans for banning smoking in parks they should contact the Daily Politics.

      Gawain Towler’s explanation of the incident has not so far been mentioned.

      Hats off to Andrew Neil, he is a brilliant interviewer and he laid that trap skillfully but only one of participants was naive enough to jump into it with both feet.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    Is Illinois getting out of the anti-smoking business or what

    Law | Illinois Car Smoking Ban Fails

    A bill that would of banned smoking in cars if a person under the age of 18 was present has failed in the state senate of Illinois.

    The bill which had passed a committee hearing only got eight votes in favor of it, with Republican Senator Dave Syverson of Rockford providing a voice of reason in questioning the measure.

    According to the Senator, “These children are going to be in the same home with these parents 24 hours a day, so that little bit of time in the vehicle, is it–does it really have that kind of an impact than what–than what’s happening with their lives anyways?”

    While we would of preferred for him to state that the micro management of our daily lives needs to stop we applaud him for standing up against this measure.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    Students now fined through Boise State smoking policy

    In under 12 hours this story was yanked…………..

    21 hours ago – On March 20, Policy #9110 Smoke Free Campus, was revised to include enforcement with a fine system rather than just collective peer …

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Pro smoking lobby to protest at Austrian parliament

    • Rose says:

      It appears to be a state run monopoly and the foil covered windows appear to be part of the design .

      Hungarians fume over revealing tobacco scandal

      “When Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban swept to power in 2010, one of the many things he promised was to clean up government and root out graft.

      But three years on, a shake-up of the sale of cigarettes, of all things, has turned into a scandal that has convinced many Hungarian voters that a culture of corruption remains very much alive.

      Originally, in 2012, the slashing of the number of outlets allowed to sell tobacco products from 42,000 — including petrol stations and supermarkets — to just 7,000 “National Tobacco Shops” run under a state monopoly was billed as a noble attempt to stub out teenage smoking.”

      Rogan says tobacconists can take off foil from windows

      “Budapest, April 29 (MTI) – Tobacconists can take off foil from windows, head of the ruling Fidesz party’s parliamentary group Antal Rogan said on Wednesday, in response to the contention that the murder of a shop assistant in a tobacco shop may have been prevented had the windows not been papered over. He told public radio Kossuth that no regulation currently prescribes foil on the windows of tobacco shops.”

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Another maybe for the graveyard Frank

  6. Smoking Lamp says:

    I agree, tobacco control indeed constitutes a ;power of darkness.’ The Antis rely upon lies, false reports, manipulated data, propaganda, and suppressing dissent to consolidate power. The lies about second hand smoke and cigarettes demonstrate their desire to control and manipulate at all costs. Due to their sustained propaganda smoking has been demonized and bans enacted. The movement toward total prohibition is gaining speed; BUT, it may be hitting a seed bump as their lies are starting to be exposed.

    While new bans are being implemented (like to now contested NOLA and Austrian bans), we see others rejected. Guernsey just rejected an outdoor ban; Illinois just rejected a ban on smoking in cars with children present. Perhaps the false justifications of smoking bans are finally unraveling?

    As the reports on the backlash to bans show the Antis try to spin each rejection of their agenda as a setback for health and progress. That is false and needs to be countered. The Antis also ignore findings that challenge their agenda. The recent progress toward a lung cancer vaccine has received scant attention (it suggests that infection rather than smoking causes lung cancer which undermines the entire anti tobacco cult’s justification).

    Exposing tobacco control lies is the best way to illuminate their dark ways…

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    Gov. Jerry Brown seeks fines of up to $10,000 a day for water wasters

    California Gov. Jerry Brown announced new legislation Tuesday that would increase fines for water wasters and allow local governments to issue the penalties.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      The leftards have destroyed Calif just like anywhere they get control.

      They have roving blackouts due to not building any new power plants in the last 50 years. They don’t have water because they didn’t bother to upgrade for their needs in 100 years since the water canal system was built. Among a list of thousands of things greens destroy including themselves.

  8. harleyrider1978 says:

    The Feds are on Facebook.

    U.S. law enforcement agents are following the rest of the Internet world into popular social-networking services, going undercover with false online profiles to communicate with suspects and gather private information, according to an internal Justice Department document that offers a tantalizing glimpse of issues related to privacy and crime-fighting.

    Think you know who’s behind that “friend” request? Think again. Your new “friend” just might be the FBI.

    The document, obtained in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, makes clear that U.S. agents are already logging on surreptitiously to exchange messages with suspects, identify a target’s friends or relatives and browse private information such as postings, personal photographs and video clips.

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