Anti-Depressant-Driven, Suicidal, Homicidal, Lobotomized States

Last week, I started out thinking that the Germanwings air crash had most likely been caused by a sudden depressurization of the plane. But since the cockpit voice recorder was found, it’s emerged that the co-pilot locked himself in the cockpit, and set the auto-pilot to descend to a very low altitude. It was  suicide and mass murder.

In the comments here, first Jax and then Klaus K suggested that there might be prescription drugs – Chantix or anti-depressants – involved. Which all seemed a bit speculative to me, since neither had been mentioned in any report I’d seen.

All that changed today when I came across two reports – here and here – of a “small mountain” of drugs believed to be anti-depressants in the co-pilot’s flat:

A “small mountain” of drugs believed to be antidepressants were found at Lubitz’s apartment.

Antidepressants are used to treat range of conditions, including anxiety and panic disorders, obsessive-compulsive behaviour, phobias, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), chronic pain, as well as moderate and severe depression.

I’m now inclined to think this is the most likely explanation for the strange behaviour of an otherwise quiet and well-behaved young man. Peter Hitchens seems to think the same way:

Nobody is ‘Stigmatising’ Depression. It’s the Pills We Need to Worry About

and provided a link to an article which says (my added emphases):

The risks of suicide or homicide from mild to moderate depression or anxiety are almost nil.  Think of it this way – what we call depression today in nine cases out of ten was called anxiety 30 years ago before the development of the SSRIs and anxiety was not thought of as a significant risk factor for suicide or homicide.

Difficulties with a partner or at work can lead to precipitate action including suicide or homicide.  They can also lead to anxiety or depression but the anxiety or depression linked to these events don’t for the most part cause problems except in so far as sleeplessness on the one side or a sedative drug on the other might cause an accident.

Whatever the risks of suicide or homicide linked to such anxiety or depressive states might be, in clinical trials antidepressants close to double them – and not just in younger adults. They do so by causing psychosis, or by producing an agitation laced with suicidal or homicidal thoughts, or by producing an almost lobotomized state in which people will do things they would ordinarily never do, or by increasing blood alcohol levels if the person has had a drink.

GSK data suggest these drugs appear to make someone more likely rather than less likely to “act out” if they have just had a partner break up with them.

The co-pilot had difficulties at work (his eyesight was deteriorating), and had recently split up with is girlfriend. And now it seems there’s a “small mountain” of anti-depressants in his flat. He seems to check all the boxes for a “suicidal, homicidal, lobotomized state”. Peter Hitchens ends his article saying:

The problem is the drugs given for the depression, not the depression. And that is what we should address. Once again, I do not know the answer. I only know that there is a question, and I ask again: ‘Who could possibly be against a powerful independent inquiry to establish the truth in this matter?’ Well, who? I can’t think.

Well, I can: the pharma companies. As Klaus K wrote in a comment a few days back:

Already now it is clear in the Lübitz case that there is a manipulation of the media going on behind the scenes in order to slowly, day-by-day, put more and more blame for the crash on the co-pilot himself, i.e. Lübitz’ character. The medical mafia is extremely good at media manipulation – you should know that as a smoker (!) – in the Lübitz case they know perfectly well that there is a high risk the media at some point will frame the story in the direction that Lübitz’ medication was the culprit in the crash. That would be devastating to pharma revenues, so I think what we witness here (fx. in Daily Mirror) may be just a part of the ordinary damage control.

Well, it looks as if, after managing to keep his medication secret for a few days, the media are indeed beginning to frame the story around the medication: Here, here, and here.

Will the pharma companies be able to bury the medication link? I’m not sure how they can, particularly if and when the co-pilot’s body (which has been found) tests positive for anti-depressant drugs. There are 150 grieving families, as well as the entire global airline industry, and anyone who’s ever flown in a plane, who will want to know the unvarnished truth.

There are any number of possible further developments (they still haven’t found a second flight recorder). But it seems to me that pharma companies (and the medical profession) are going to come under intense scrutiny in days to come.

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27 Responses to Anti-Depressant-Driven, Suicidal, Homicidal, Lobotomized States

  1. FAA Bans Antismoking Drug, Citing Side Effects –

    May 22, 2008 – The F.A.A. said it would no longer permit pilots or air traffic … was shot to death after he began behaving bizarrely while taking Chantix. … commercial and private pilots that Chantix was no longer permitted, Ms. Brown said.

    • If I had a PDR we would likely find out Pharma’s drugs like Chantix all mess with the subconscious mind even Xanax. Of what family of drugs this is Im not sure but its all laced to the same tree. Likely starting with Prozac.

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      • He aint got a clue yet……………try as much as 80%

        • I was going to post this but it wont let me:

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          Even the CANCER SOCIETY has benefit cookouts yet they push for smoking bans! Talk about being Hipocrits! Heres a real sweety pie of a special hype The Dumbest Fundraising Event Ever? American Cancer Society Joins BBQ Meat “Cook Off” to Raise Money for Cancer Research NaturalNews)

          Texans living in Navarro County are about to win a collective award for being the dumbest people in the world when it comes to diet and nutrition: They are hosting a BBQ meat cook-off to raise money for — get this — cancer research!

          Even the Governor of Kentucky and all the Anti-smoking Activists were at Fancy Farm for the big Political Cook Off Cook Out yet they too survived Inhaling 10S OF BILLIONS worth of equal cigarette smoke.

          Even there own Human exhaled Breath creates hundreds of the same chemicals found in tobacco smoke yet we arent outlawing HUMANS FROM INDOOR SPACES………

          Human Exhaled Air Analytics…” Buszewski et al, Biomed. Chromatogr. 21: 553–566 (2007)

  2. Lepercolonist says:

    My feeling is that his girlfriend’s departure the day before compounded by the anti-depressants brought it to a head. Without her, life was meaningless.


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  4. Offical WAFFLEHOUSE CORPORATION has been gotton to by the Nazis they have officially gone non smoking in all stores nationwide. I just got off the phone with their VICE PRESIDENT and you could tell in hi voice they were threatened into to doing it.

    • He even recited the anti-smokers one liners a smokefree environment for all people……..and he was nervous as hell as he said it.

      • This was the same man who 2 years ago told me wafflehouse will never go smokefree unless a law makes us…………and I explained to him OSHA pels and how much his own restaraunts put out in equivalent cigs per day. Nothing mattered to him or the fact I told him on average each restarunt that had a majority of smokers as customers loses upwards of 30-40% on revenues. He still was nervous and said we will see.

        I said unless you like the others an accept the new norm of lower profits as the new norm for revenues. Then its a good thing your not a publicly traded company.

        But with wafflehouse the shakedown started like all the others first it was racial discrimination lawsuits as what happened to most US based Corporations until they just gave up and let the liberals dictate how to run their businesses………..Wafflehouse was in federal court 12 times in the last 15 years over blacks suing over so called service disputes when what it actually was were blacks coming in and fighting and destroying th building and running off paying customers.


    Obamacare Exchanges Falling Far Short Of Smoking Cessation Requirements

    WASHINGTON — Only one state in the country makes sure that Affordable Care Act consumers have access to smoking cessation programs as the law requires,…

    • I called the new non-profit just created and talked to their guy and asked him how they were going to prove their case especiall after the Mctear case. He knew Mctear case to only he had no defense against its findings except to say well over there in scotland they look at it diferent than here, Here in the states people believe smoking causes those things.

      I said but epidemiology cant prove individual causation. You plan to rely on a belief system or cold hard facts as the Toxicologist COT meeting said they couldn’t pove a single tobacco disease existed……….he WENT SILENT!

      I said proof is end point connection thru chemical pathways yet only about 2 % of life long smokrs get LC . But the latest is non smokers get LC more than anyone and rates have dropped by half according to you guys. So how can that be…………

      Anyway he hung up.

  6. beobrigitte says:

    The thing I have learned in the last 13 month more than ever before: people who are suicidal still take great care not to kill others. Although the opinion and words uttered by others are disregarded there is generally no intentions to take others along the journey. Airplane pilots rarely commit suicide; if they do, they grab a Cessna and hit a mountain.

    In the comments here, first Jax and then Klaus K suggested that there might be prescription drugs – Chantix or anti-depressants – involved. Which all seemed a bit speculative to me, since neither had been mentioned in any report I’d seen.

    I don’t think Klaus K is wrong. I have watched the BBC speculating all day long last week – and their side tracking when the flight recorder’s data was analysed – (this is something that could kill MILLIONS of people getting onto an airplane) – bearing in mind that it dedicated a whole afternoon to covering the crash last week – raises quite a lot of questions.

    A lot of airplane pilots ARE SMOKERS, tobacco control, like it or not!, and any ‘health’ service pressurizes people to use Champix (Chantix) to stop smoking. After all, smoking kills, doesn’t it, Debbie?

    It has been reported years ago that anti-depressants – and especially CHAMPIX – have the side effect that it renders the smokers being suicidal. Tobacco control celebrates: ANOTHER SMOKING RELATED DEATH!!!

    • Reinhold says:

      The thing I have learned in the last 13 month more than ever before: people who are suicidal still take great care not to kill others. […] Airplane pilots rarely commit suicide; if they do, they grab a Cessna and hit a mountain.

      Thanks, Brigitte, that’s exactly what I thought, and think.

      At least since the mass media and “researchers” told me about the “fact” that Passive Smoke kills, I know what to believe them – absolutely nothing at all.

      They discovered that voice recorder before the corpses were cold, oh well, maybe, it was intact, oh well, maybe, they listened to it, there was some “normal breathing”, they say (“people commiting suizide often breathe normally once the decision is made” … oh, really? OK, I never was there, so maybe), there was some banging at the door, then the case was closed: We’re sad to inform you that this lad crashed the plane deliberately.
      Hey? That was quick, indeed!

      But of course it wasn’t the co-pilot alone.
      A group of German feminists blame the aircraft companies because most of the pilots are male (“women hardly ever do such things”), a group of brushed off fathers blame the German family law or something (“L., as a pilot, must have been an intelligent man, and he knew that he would be rarely allowed to see his unborn baby, so life lost its meaning for him” or things like that), we may blame drugs or whatever …

      But it’s something else here that stinks to high heaven.
      Don’t know what it is, though.

  7. timbone says:

    Finding a “small mountain” of anti depressants in his flat says to me that he was not taking his medication. Is this not the problem?

    • Theres also the story out there that he was a convert to Islam…………….

    • beobrigitte says:

      Finding a “small mountain” of anti depressants in his flat says to me that he was not taking his medication. Is this not the problem?

      Given that this ‘small mountain’ of anti-depressants all show side effects, I am not surprised that they MIGHT not have been taken as prescribed.
      However, in my youth there were no anti-depressants prescribed to youngsters. And no-one flew an airplane into a mountain because life was just shit. We had experience of life being shit at times in our childhood – and we dealt with it. No drugs for which no long term effects are KNOWN, needed.

    • These drugs are highly addictive because they introduce serotonin in the brain, which in response stops producing serotonin by itself. So it is missing when the patient suddenly stops taking the drug, and it will take a couple of months before the brain’s own serotonin production is “back into normal gear”. In this period it has been found that patients have a very high risk of becoming depressed and engage in violent behaviour.

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  9. Frank Davis says:


    Killer co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was on anti-anxiety drug so strong that doctors have to point out increased risk of suicide and advise patients they shouldn’t even be driving a car

    Pilot was ‘prescribed drugs including Lorazepam at the time of Alps crash’

    Pharmacologist: ‘Lorazepam is a strong sedative. Driving is questionable’

    Lubitz ‘told doctors about his job as a pilot, but lied that he was off work’

    ‘He complained of poor sight and hearing issues after car crash last year’

    • beobrigitte says:

      This sentence I do find extremely worrying:
      Had Lubitz told doctors he was still flying, they might have felt the need to break their vow of patient confidentiality and inform his employers because he might be a danger to others.
      Break their ‘vow of patient confidentiality’ rather than NOT prescribing mind-altering drugs??? How do these medics think we did survive ever without these drugs?

      I am a little concerned that a lot of the information was obtained from “Bild”. It is a REAL rubbish paper….
      Nevertheless, the hatred the paper incites spills over into the report and in the comments.
      People seem to be perfectly fine with being prescribed drugs which show severe side effects and for which no long term effects are known…
      These drugs will only disappear if people decide NEVER to take them. I am one of those few people. I grab a beer, smoke a few cigarettes, mull things over and take some time to get back to my usual self, accepting that there are times in life that are not pleasant.

      Right now I see 149 sets of families and friends being wound up and 1 set of family and friends having all fingers of blame pointed at them. Lubitz’s former (!) girlfriend was reported to having left town and going into hiding…

      Have we all lost COMMON SENSE? 149 sets of families and friends have questions which none of us can answer. 1 set of familiy and friends have even more questions.
      I am pretty sure we, the public, will NEVER get to know the truth from the officials; neither will the 150 sets of family and friends.

    • Stefan Molyneux has a take on this:
      Andreas Lubitz Germanwings Flight 9525 Crash | Propaganda Decoded

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