All Today’s Bad News

Taking Liberties reports:

MPs have voted by a majority of 254 in favour of plain packaging of tobacco. Some 367 were in favour with 113 against in the free vote.

I think that the principal effect of this will be a further decline in the esteem with which MPs are held, as smokers are subjected to further insult.

Although my own Conservative MP voted against Plain Packaging, bless him.

In response:

The world’s biggest tobacco firms have vowed to fight the UK government in the courts after MPs voted in favour of plain packaging which will see branding disappear from cigarette packets.

British American Tobacco (BAT), Imperial Tobacco and Japan Tobacco International (JTI), have threatened legal action against the move which they believe is unlawful.

BAT, the maker of Lucky Strike, will begin a legal challenge against the UK government if the legislation gains final approval in the House of Lords.

“This legislation is a case of the UK government taking property from a UK business without paying for it. That is illegal under both UK and European law,” said BAT’s director of corporate affairs Jerome Abelman.

“Legal action is not something we want to undertake, nor is it something we enter into lightly, but the UK Government has left us with no other choice after running what can only be described as a flawed consultation process. Any business that has property taken away from it by the state would inevitably want to challenge and seek compensation.”

Elsewhere:

WASHINGTON –A judge barred a Washington, D.C. man from smoking inside his own home.

Neighbors who moved in next door to Edwin Gray filed a lawsuit to make him stop smoking any substance, claiming their family was being harmed by smoke they say sneaks into their home through a hole in the basement.

“I think it’s an excellent precedent to start, so people can realize you can’t just ignore your neighbor,” said Benny Kass, a D.C. real estate attorney and Washington Post columnist. “Your home is no longer your castle.”

Why couldn’t they just block up the hole?

Global warming news:

A record has been set for the most snowfall in a day after a tiny Italian village was dumped with 100 inches in 18 hours – forcing residents to ski between houses and climb out of second-floor windows.

The village of Capracotta, located in central Italy around 125 miles east of Rome, was hit with the polar blast on March 5 in a remarkable blizzard aggravated by powerful wind gusts.

Breaking a 1921 record set in Silver Lake, Colorado, of 76 inches, incredible photos from inside the village show walls of snow carved out from the fronts of doors and shops.

capracotta_snow

 

Related:

Out of 1,002 eighth-grade students surveyed, 90 percent responded that climate change is real and it’s “significantly” driven by human activity.

I wonder how they’re going to feel when they find out they were duped?

Oh, and just for good measure….

Moscow has announced it is “completely” ending activities under the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE). Russia’s participation in the treaty was first halted in 2007…

The original CFE Treaty, signed in 1990 by 16 NATO and six Warsaw Pact, set equal ceilings for each bloc on key categories of conventional armaments, with tanks, combat armored vehicles, artillery, assault helicopters and combat aircraft among them. For instance, under the treaty, each side is supposed to have no more than 16,500 tanks or 27,300 armored combat vehicles in active units…

Meanwhile, Norway has started military exercises in its northernmost province, which borders Russia’s Kola Peninsula. Called ‘Joint Viking,’ the one-week war games involve 5,000 Norwegian troops and 400 vehicles, the largest military training exercise in nearly 50 years in the country…

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34 Responses to All Today’s Bad News

  1. Looks like the new NAZI Europe is going to get the war its always wanted……….

  2. Some French bloke says:

    90 percent responded that climate change is real and it’s “significantly” driven by human activity.
    – I wonder how they’re going to feel when they find out they were duped?

    That’ll depend on the kind of information that will come to light when that happens, notably concerning the underlying motivations behind it all. Of course, the ‘useful idiots’ in the movement will be as dumbstruck as your average 8th grader, but there have to be masterminds…

  3. Greece threatens to seize German assets ‘as compensation for Nazi war crimes’…

    Big Banks Struggle to Pass Fed ‘Stress Tests’…

    Dollar surge poses policy dilemma for Fed…

    DC residents complain about pot smoke in condos, apartments

    Mutating bird flu may pose pandemic threat in humans…

    NIELSEN: Americans moving faster than ever away from traditional TV…

    http://drudgereport.com/

  4. Vinny Gracchus says:

    The situation keeps deteriorating. On plain packages they totally ignored public sentiment, evidence from Australia, and the opinion of police specialists. The situation with banning smoking i persons home in DC is absolute insanity. The some would have to travel down (I though smoke rises), around corners and through nooks and crannies (or was that alcoves) to penetrate into the other home. Seems the laws of physics would likely preclude that. So much for common sense and law of property.

  5. Alan Picton‎Smokers Against Discrimination

    23 mins ·

    .

    A scientist invents a time machine and travels back in time to the WW2 D day landings of June 1944.He appears to a young soldier who is sitting in his foxhole late one night enjoying a smoke in his foxhole during a brief lull in the fearce fighting.The startled soldier askes ‘who are you?’..the time traveler responds ‘fear not friend..I have traveled back in time from the year 2015’.
    Good God!..cries the soldier..what’s it like then? ‘Well’, responds the traveler ‘you can’t do THAT anywhere you like’…’do WHAT?’ says the soldier.’Smoke where you like’ says the traveler…in the year 2015 if you were to visit a pub for a pint and light up a cigarette you could be fined and even put in jail…that’s the law’.’I can’t believe that’ says the soldier ‘surely the people would rise up and cause a revolution?!!’ ‘No…in fact a lot of people actually WELCOMED the new law and would inform on you to the authorities if they were to find you smoking inside a public building’said the traveler.’I can’t believe what I’m hearing’ said the soldier…then why doesn’t the government just BAN smoking altogether and be done with it?’ ‘Oh they won’t do that’ replied the traveler..they’re like drug dealers..they make BILLIONS of pounds each year from tobacco.’ The soldier sinks to his knees and holds his face in his hands…’my GOD!’ he cries…’this can only mean ONE thing…..the NAZIS win this war!’

  6. Rose says:

    Another very important post from Taking Liberties.

    The Tory MPs who sided with Labour to support the theft of intellectual property

    “Delighted to name and shame the following:

    Aldous, Peter
    Andrew, Stuart

    Baldry, Tony
    Barclay, Stephen
    Barwell, Gavin
    Benyon, Richard
    Berry, Jake
    Blackman, Bob
    Blunt, Crispin
    Brazier, Julian
    Brine, Steve
    Brokenshire, James
    Bruce, Fiona
    Buckland, Robert
    Burns, Simon
    Burrowes, David
    Burt, Alistair

    Cameron, David
    Chishti, Rehman
    Clark, Greg
    Cox, Geoffrey
    Crouch, Tracey

    Dorries, Nadine

    Ellis, Michael
    Ellison, Jane
    Ellwood, Tobias
    Evennett, David

    Freeman, George
    Freer, Mike

    Gibb, Nick
    Gillan, Cheryl
    Glen, John
    Goodwill, Robert
    Gove, Michael
    Graham, Richard
    Greening, Justine
    Gyimah, Sam

    Hague, William
    Hammond, Stephen
    Haselhurst, Sir Alan
    Heald, Oliver
    Hinds, Damian
    Hopkins, Kris
    Howell, John
    Hurd, Nick

    Jackson, Stewart
    James, Margot
    Jenrick, Robert
    Johnson, Jo
    Jones, Andrew
    Jones, David

    Kelly, Chris

    Lancaster, Mark
    Lansley, Andrew
    Latham, Pauline
    Leadsom, Andrea
    Lee, Phillip
    Lefroy, Jeremy
    Leslie, Charlotte
    Letwin, Oliver
    Lewis, Brandon
    Lilley, Peter
    Lopresti, Jack
    Luff, Peter
    Lumley, Karen

    McCartney, Jason
    McLoughlin, Patrick
    Maynard, Paul
    Menzies, Mark
    Miller, Maria
    Milton, Anne
    Mitchell, Andrew
    Mordaunt, Penny
    Morgan, Nicky
    Morris, James
    Murrison, Dr Andrew

    Newton, Sarah
    Nokes, Caroline
    Norman, Jesse

    O’Brien, Stephen
    Offord, Matthew
    Opperman, Guy
    Osborne, George

    Penrose, John
    Phillips, Stephen
    Pickles, Eric
    Poulter, Daniel
    Pritchard, Mark

    Raab, Dominic
    Robertson, Hugh
    Rutley, David

    Scott, Lee
    Selous, Andrew
    Shelbrooke, Alec
    Shepherd, Sir Richard
    Simpson, Keith
    Smith, Chloe
    Smith, Henry
    Smith, Julian
    Soames, Nicholas
    Soubry, Anna
    Spelman, Caroline
    Stanley, Sir John
    Streeter, Gary
    Stride, Mel
    Swayne, Desmond

    Tapsell, Sir Peter
    Timpson, Edward
    Tomlinson, Justin
    Tredinnick, David

    Vara, Shailesh
    Vickers, Martin
    Villiers, Theresa
    Walker, Robin
    White, Chris
    Willetts, David
    Williamson, Gavin
    Wilson, Rob
    Wollaston, Dr Sarah
    Wright, Jeremy

    Young, Sir George”
    http://taking-liberties.squarespace.com/blog/2015/3/11/the-tory-mps-who-sided-with-labour-to-support-the-theft-of-i.html

    So now at last we know who the denormalisers are.

  7. Rose says:

    MPs vote to introduce ‘plain’ packs on 20 May 2016

    “While pack designers will clearly be affected by the legislation, Chris Aukett, research manager at design research agency The Big Picture (in a manner compatible with the company’s name) can view the issue from both sides. He told Packaging News: “It is a pretty big hammer blow for designers in that field but from a legislative point of view it could be effective in reducing those getting into smoking more so than existing smokers who already are addicted.

    Referring to the graphic warning images that appear on the standardised packs, Aukett added, “Everytime someone wants a cigarette they are revisiting something quite harrowing.”
    http://www.packagingnews.co.uk/news/markets/tobacco/mps-vote-introduce-plain-packs-20-may-2016/

    The nocebo effect, like poisoned pen letters.

    Malicious Communications Act 1988

    “The Malicious Communications Act 1988 (MCA) is a British Act of Parliament that makes it illegal in England and Wales to “send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety”

    Malicious packaging is a new concept but it’s ultimate aim is the same.

    • nisakiman says:

      “The Malicious Communications Act 1988 (MCA) is a British Act of Parliament that makes it illegal in England and Wales to “send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety”

      Malicious packaging is a new concept but it’s ultimate aim is the same.

      That’s an interesting take on it, Rose. I wonder if there’s any mileage in it?

      • Rose says:

        I’ve just been reading about the accidental nocebo effects of side effect warnings, plenty of stuff around but not a comparable study, after all trying to cause harm deliberately is unethical and apart from politicians no one in their right mind would give permission for such a trial.

      • Rose says:

        Case in point.

        Study suggests that strong beliefs can treat nicotine addiction

        “Two identical cigarettes led to a discovery by scientists at the Virginia Tech Carilion Research Institute. Study participants inhaled nicotine, yet they showed significantly different brain activity. Why the difference? Some subjects were told their cigarettes were nicotine free.

        “Our research group has begun to show that beliefs are as powerful a physical influence on the brain as neuroactive drugs,” said Read Montague, director of the Computational Psychiatry Unit at the Virginia Tech Carilion Research Institute and lead author of a study published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.”

        “The scientists also found people who believed they had smoked nicotine had significantly higher activity in their reward-learning pathways. Those who did not believe they had smoked nicotine did not exhibit those same signals.

        “It was the belief alone that modulated activity in the learning pathway,” Montague said. “This goes beyond the placebo effect.”

        Multiple studies support the placebo effect, showing sham treatments can improve a patient’s condition simply because the person believed it would be helpful.”
        http://www.news-medical.net/news/20150227/Study-suggests-that-strong-beliefs-can-treat-nicotine-addiction.aspx

        So what will flashing images of revolting diseases several hundred times a day do to a shopworker?

        Most smokers are too clever to advertise government propaganda for free.

        • Rose says:

          I just remembered that panic about subliminal advertising and low and behold Sarah Wollaston pops up.

          Subliminal advertising really does work, claim scientists
          2009

          “Researchers found that briefly displaying words and images so quickly that people do not even consciously notice, does nevertheless change their thinking.
          They found it was particularly effective with negative images and words which could alter a person’s mood.”

          “Professor Lavie believes the research may have implications for the use of subliminal marketing to convey messages, both for advertising and public service announcements such as safety campaigns.
          “Negative words may have more of a rapid impact,” she said.

          ““Kill your speed” should be more noticeable than “Slow down”. More controversially, highlighting a competitor’s negative qualities may work on a subliminal level much more effectively than shouting about your own selling points.”
          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/6232801/Subliminal-advertising-really-does-work-claim-scientists.html

          Call for plain tobacco packaging without delay
          11 November 2013

          “Totnes Conservative MP and former GP Sarah Wollaston argued that the terms ‘standard’ and ‘plain’ packaging were misnomers.
          ‘We should be calling it “stark-staring truth packaging”,’ she insisted.

          ‘What it means is that we are handing someone a packet with a picture of gangrene.

          ‘It is actually a crystal ball, and it counteracts the very powerful subliminal messages and the last legal form of tobacco marketing in this country.’
          http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/november/call-for-plain-tobacco-packaging-without-delay

          So they are removing these alleged “powerful subliminal messages” and enlarging their own negative ones.

  8. From JOHN HOPKINS school of public health 2006

    Damning Evidence Against Secondhand Smoke

    by Lisa De Nike
    Next time you think that sitting in a restaurant’s nonsmoking section is a healthy choice, think again.

    “There is no level of exposure to secondhand smoke that is safe. Period,” says Jonathan Samet, professor and chair of Epidemiology and senior scientific editor of the Surgeon General’s 2006 report on the devastating health consequences of secondhand smoke exposure.

    The report—released on June 27—is a clarion call to the public and policy-makers alike to eliminate smoking from indoor environments.

    “Moving air in and out of buildings doesn’t work, and neither do air filters; if someone is smoking somewhere in a building, other people in that building are likely being involuntarily exposed,” Samet warns. “People generally understand that smoking is bad for your health, but the dangers of secondhand smoke are less universally recognized. As a result, many millions of Americans are still being exposed to it in their homes and at work, with very serious health consequences.”

    The report notes that exposure to secondhand smoke adversely affects a person’s cardiovascular system almost immediately, and in the long run can lead to lung cancer and heart disease. Children exposed to it not only suffer from ear problems, more severe asthma and more acute respiratory infections, but also are at increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

    “People generally understand that smoking is bad for your health, but the dangers of secondhand smoke are less universally recognized. As a result, many millions of Americans are still being exposed to it—with very serious health consequences.”—Jonathan Samet

    The evidence, gathered and analyzed by Samet, MD, MS, and his colleagues (many from the School), includes epidemiological data from noted researchers throughout the world, as well as hundreds of background studies on the toxicity of secondhand smoke.

    “My hope is that more cities and states will understand the importance of what this report reveals and will take action to provide people with smoke-free environments,” he says. “I am hopeful that legislators and the public will learn that you just can’t have smokers and nonsmokers in the same place and protect the nonsmokers.”

    Some of Samet’s research into the dangers of secondhand smoke is carried out under the auspices of the Flight Attendants Medical Research Institute (FAMRI) and the Johns Hopkins FAMRI Center of Excellence, which was created last year to support investigators funded by FAMRI. (FAMRI was set up as a result of a 1991 lawsuit filed against the tobacco industry on behalf of flight attendants who became sick or died from exposure to secondhand smoke. The suit’s settlement included $300 million for a nonprofit medical foundation.)

    “Flight attendants were among the first to draw attention to the concerns created by secondhand smoke, which is how FAMRI eventually came to be,” says Samet, who in 2003 received a Dr. William Cahan Distinguished Professor award of $600,000 from FAMRI for his tobacco research. “They knew they were being made sick by breathing tobacco smoke in the cabins, and became quite vocal… Now, more and more people are concerned about breathing tobacco smoke involuntarily and becoming ill. As a result, it’s snowballing.”

    http://magazine.jhsph.edu/2006/Fall/news_briefs/secondhand_smoke/?subsection_id=50

  9. Council to review petition to repeal smoking ban

    A petition to repeal the city’s smoking ordinance will proceed to the City Council despite not having the required number of signatures.

    Last week, County Clerk Mary Baack-Garvey found that an amended petition to repeal and replace two smoking ordinances, including the comprehensive clean air ordinance approved by voters last year, was short 371 signatures.

    The petition, first filed Feb. 6 by the group Committee for Fairness in St. Joseph, sought to replace the ordinances with a new one that would allow 21-and-over establishments to choose whether to go smoke free.

    It required 2,568 signatures to proceed to the council, which would either pass the issue or send it to the voters.

    The first submission was short 809 signatures and the group opted to amend the petition to add more signatures, which is allowable by the city charter.

    The city charter says that if an amended petition is found to be insufficient, a petition committee has two days to file a request for council review.

    “The Council shall review the certificate at its next meeting following the filing of such request, and approve or disapprove it, and the Council’s determination shall then be a final determination as to the sufficiency of the petition,” the charter says.

    In a March 6 letter to the city, Steve Peterman, a bar owner who has spearheaded the petition committee, requested such a review.

    The issue will be discussed at the March 16 council meeting.

    City Manager Bruce Woody said the council will determine if they are willing to accept the petition.

    “They’re not judging the quality or the content of the petition, they’re not judging the quality or content of the county clerk’s interpretation of the signatures, they’re really just determining whether they are willing to accept an initiative petition, despite not having enough signatures,” he said.

    According to the charter, if the council did accept the petition, it would then have 60 days to vote on the issue or send it to the voters.

    If the council upholds Ms. Baack-Garvey’s finding that the council was insufficient, the committee will have one last option, to seek a review by a Buchanan County Circuit Court judge.

    http://www.newspressnow.com/news/local_news/article_6c972218-3e4d-5e3a-91f6-1f630669dae2.html

    • St Joe Missouri’s council would not pass a ban and so the Nazis out of Kansas city Kansas who came to MO. and started so called local groups and financed them kept pushing and pushing and finally via the petition got a ban put on the ballot that only passed by a low voter turn out by something like 12% of the registered voters.

      Now it appears the council can decide to change the law or tweak it and get rid of a bunch of it thru the same process.

      • Then the Nazis will be faced with a lawsuit and needing more money to protect their Nazi law and or go thru the fight all over again……..this process if done can bankrupt TC and the ACS’s remaining dollars quickly.

  10. This band of bankers bribed Senators to pass FEDERAL RESERVE ACT in 1913.
    These Bankers understood:
    “Whoever Issued the Money for America Would Control the Government.”

    WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
    Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
    Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
    Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
    Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
    Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
    Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
    Goldman Sachs Bank of New York.
    Rockefellers
    J.P. Morgan

    The Federal Reserve Bank of New York sets interest rates and controls
    the daily supply and price of currency throughout the U.S., THEY PRINT
    the money – WE Borrow it and Pay Them Interest.

    …”The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the
    people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    • Smoking Scot says:

      Heck of a lot of Jewish names there Harley. Same with Dr. Adam Goldstein you quote below.

      Maybe their idea of payback.

  11. Repeated exposure of children to secondhand smoke is child abuse, Goldstein argues

    Dr. Adam Goldstein, who is director of the tobacco intervention programs in the UNC School of Medicine, argues his point in an opinion piece published in the March/April 2015 issue of Annals of Family Medicine.

    Purposefully and repeatedly exposing children to secondhand smoke — a known human carcinogen — is child abuse, according to an opinion piece written by Adam Goldstein, MD, MPH, a professor in the Department of Family Medicine at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine. Drawing from his experience as a family physician caring for families with children who have suffered severe respiratory illness due to secondhand smoke exposure, Dr. Goldstein says it is time for society — including doctors — to do much more. Dr. Goldstein argues his point in an essay published in the Point/Counterpoint feature in the March/April 2015 issue of Annals of Family Medicine.

    “Purposeful and recurrent exposure of children to secondhand smoke by a parent is as abusive as many other commonly accepted physical and emotional traumas of children, like drunk driving or leaving children in a hot car unattended,” says Dr. Goldstein, who is director of the UNC School of Medicine’s Tobacco Prevention and Evaluation Program (TPEP) and its Nicotine Dependence Program (NDP). “We have cared for too many children hospitalized with asthma and pneumonia, caused in large part to their repeated exposure to secondhand smoke.”

    Growing societal sentiment exists that secondhand smoke exposure of children should receive greater attention by providers and policy-makers. Options to intervene include counseling of parents that smoke, legislation, and even court relief at times, according to Dr. Goldstein. Texas, Vermont, Washington, and other states and counties — as well as other countries — already prohibit foster parents from smoking around children in cars and homes. “If this is true for foster families and smoking, shouldn’t it be the case for all parents? Additional legal protection for young children exposed to secondhand smoke makes common sense,” says Dr. Goldstein.

    Goldstein discusses how petitions to family courts can protect children from ongoing secondhand smoke exposure when the child suffers from chronic lung illness. “Secondhand smoke exposure decreases lung function and has dozens of carcinogens; yet often the most vulnerable children continue to be exposed, and these children often have no voice.”

    Evidenced-based guidelines for smoking cessation include physician advice to counsel patients that exposure to secondhand smoke causes cancer and heart disease. In addition to helping patients quit smoking, physicians should advise parents that there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Several states, including California, Arkansas and Louisiana ban smoking in cars with young children, and many courts are considering parental smoking as an important factor in deciding child custody cases.

    Goldstein proposes that medical professionals take an even more active role in protecting children from secondhand smoke exposure. “It is time for medical professional organizations, such as the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Family Physicians to endorse policies classifying purposeful exposure of children to secondhand smoke as child abuse.”

    “We must intervene to stop this abuse,” Dr. Goldstein concludes in his essay.

    http://www.healthcanal.com/child-health/61171-repeated-exposure-of-children-to-secondhand-smoke-is-child-abuse-goldstein-argues.html

  12. Nigel Farage blasts Government over Plain Packaging Legislation, asks “Whats the point of…

    UKIP leader Nigel Farage has today blasted the Conservative-led government for its undemocratic forcing through of plain packaging for cigarettes – after no…

    http://www.ukip.org/nigel_farage_blasts_government_over_plain_packaging_legislation

    • UKIP leader Nigel Farage has today blasted the Conservative-led government for its undemocratic forcing through of plain packaging for cigarettes – after no debate was held in the Commons chamber on the issue.

      Mr Farage said today: “How anyone who believes in free markets can now support the Conservative Party is beyond me. This legislation breaches property rights and trademark laws, and the government will no doubt have to use taxpayers money fending off numerous legal challenges from tobacco companies, over this piece of legislation that has had no impact where trialled elsewhere in the world.

      “UKIP believes in democracy, Britain’s parliament, and evidence-based policy. It’s clear that the evidence is not there, given that the illegal tobacco market grew by 25% in Australia after the introduction of plain packs. It is clear that the government had no mandate for this – and thusly they allowed no debate in the Commons chamber on the matter.

      “I know Britain has given up some 75% of its law-making powers to Brussels, but to have a vote on this legislation without a debate in parliament truly shows that the Conservatives think parliament is now irrelevant. What is the point in a parliament if not to debate issues like this?”

  13. beobrigitte says:

    Indeed, it’s bad news these days. And a lot of it. The worst thing after a REALLY bad day was seeing that Arnott-Gestell (can’t find the appropriate english word for it) smarmily on the BBC – prime time, of course. Glad to see she met her challenge! She was as obnoxious as ever, butting in all the time.

    I guess, we have to print off the rules to Prof. Ropohl’s card game with the cigarette packet health porn, soon. You may be winning with a diabetic leg ulcer that has underneath a little print on a shit coloured background saying ‘Marlborough’… The deck will be for free – just get it from the bins in town; everyone (especially ‘the chiiiiiiildren’) will transfer their cigarettes into a smart case.

    Talking about ‘the chiiiiildren, OUR future!!!’ – 16 year olds are enticed to vote when everyone knows that they are ‘chiiiiildren’ when sharing a car with a smoker – let alone lighting up themselves. But the politicians want their vote? From a set of youngsters not allowed to be an adult and whose brains haven’t reached the point of ‘maturity’????

    Then, the BBC tells us we ‘old ones’ feel the bite of age discrimination. I am being told that we DO WANT TO STAY IN WORK. That is news to me. Because I DON’T!!! I want to feel the satisfaction of having done my job, now pursuing my hobbies before I journey beneath the grass roots. Bad luck for us baby-boomers. We’re still around. And this incredibly healthily – after all, ‘the pensioners want to continue working…..’
    That reminds me to ask this Arnott-Gestell for an explanation for that.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Arnott-Gestell

      Arnott-rack? And it probably is like being on a rack talking to her.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Not quite; it’s more like an unesthetic, ugly, framework in your face. Needing a good explanation for being there. Everyone, even those with only little taste, rejects it.

        I wish there was an english word for it. My sentence if written in German would have started with: ‘Das bloede Gestell von Arnott’… (the stupid framework of Arnott – REINHOLD!!! Can you explain this better? Die Frau ist ein Vollpfosten!!!)

        So much for EU – each of our languages has bits that are almost impossible to translate. And, we, all together are to fund an army to try and scare Putin? REALLY?

        I am tired of propaganda; I am tired of picking up the pieces of it.

        • Barry Homan says:

          The closest expression in English that more or less equates Gestell would be “piece of work” – that’s what Arnott is, oh boy

        • Reinhold says:

          REINHOLD!!!

          *snore* … *wtf* … Erm … HERE!

          Can you explain this better?

          I’m afraid I can’t, Brigitte.

          In my own horrible dialect, otherwise maybe similar to yours, the word Gestell doesn’t exist in the meaning you obviously mean (“meaning you mean”? Erm, yes).

          Where I come from, the most disdainful meaning of Gestell is simply the body part at the top of your legs – in other words: the arse.

          As an alternative I could only offer (in the sense of Anstellerei) a “widerliches Getue”: a disgusting fuss.

        • beobrigitte says:

          Thanks, Reinhold!!!

          (sorry about waking you up…)

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