Prevention or Cure: It’s One or the Other

I’ve been taking an interest today in a debate in the House of Commons a few days ago, highlighted by Dick Puddlecote, in which Jacob Rees-Mogg was seeking to replace the words “social solidarity” with “medical necessity” in a bill before the House. He wanted to see added to the bill the following:

“nothing in this section shall be interpreted as entitling or requiring the Secretary of State to direct people in their personal conduct, nor provide unsolicited advice on diet or behaviour, nor to spend public funds on propaganda, nor to discriminate against specific foodstuffs, nor detrimentally to affect any lawful industry;”

The following exchange set out the divide between the two sides (my emphases added):

Andrew Gwynne Shadow Minister (Health) 2:45 pm, 10th February 2015
I have been listening very carefully to the hon. Gentleman. Does he accept that his amendment is fundamentally flawed, in that it would change the wording to place a duty on the Secretary of State to promote a comprehensive health service based on “medical necessity”, which fundamentally misses the point? We are no longer talking about a medical model of the national health service. His own Secretary of State is talking about doing more preventive work and more on public health to prevent people from getting ill in the first place. The hon. Gentleman’s amendment would fundamentally weaken that.

Jacob Rees-Mogg Conservative, North East Somerset
Yes, absolutely it would. I am very suspicious of the Government telling me that I should not eat things such as bacon sandwiches, or whatever it is that Labour party members so much enjoy. I want to eat those things without interference from the Government. I have every intention of speaking on that important matter later in my remarks. I have tabled other amendments to make it absolutely clear that I think that the health service is about curing people who are ill, rather than telling us how to live our lives.

I’m with Jacob Rees-Mogg, of course. I think the health service should be about curing people who are ill. That is what I always understood it to be about.

But that’s all in the past now, it seems. The idea now is to prevent people getting ill in the first place, if necessary by forcing them (as with smoking bans) to adopt the necessary preventive measures.

But I think it’s sheer conceit for anyone to believe that they can prevent people getting ill. It supposes that they know precisely all the causes of disease, and this is manifestly untrue and utter vanity. The truth of the matter is that these so-called ‘health experts’ have very little idea of the causes of most diseases. They just like to believe that they do.

One may therefore predict with perfect certainty that they won’t manage to prevent any disease at all. And in fact, one may also predict with perfect certainty that they will make matters much, much worse.

Soon we will be facing a public health catastrophe, with the incidence of all diseases rising dramatically.

But it seems to me that now that prevention has taken primacy over cure, we can expect the health service’s efforts to be directed more and more at (ineffectual) prevention, and less and less at cure. After all, if you think you can prevent something, you won’t think you’ll need to cure it. And so, in the extreme, it may even be that all the health service’s resources will be devoted to prevention, and none at all to cure. We can expect hospitals to close, and an even greater army of busybodies than we already have to be working to bully and cajole people into adopting the required preventive practices. And anyone who has the misfortune to actually become ill will find themselves facing sanctions because their illness will be taken as evidence that they had not adopted the prescribed preventive practices. If you are ill, they will be told, it can only be because you have somehow managed to smoke or drink or eat forbidden foods, despite your protestations to the contrary.

At the same time, more and more people will revolt against this tyranny, and refuse to do as they are told/required. And in the unlikely eventuality that some preventive measures might actually have been effective, they will be ignored. And there will be a collapse of public trust in a medical profession that has abandoned its true purpose: the care of the sick.

Millions of people are going to die, many of them in agony, before the health service is returned to its core purpose of the care (and hopefully cure) of the sick. And they will die because of the arrogance and conceit of an entire generation of doctors. Many of whom, I hope, will live to see themselves being struck off the medical register.


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37 Responses to Prevention or Cure: It’s One or the Other

  1. Smoking Lamp says:

    The ideological shift from treatment to prevention was presaged by the 1992 renaming of the CDC from the Centers for Disease Control to The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (Of course prevention has had a role in public health since Dr Snow and medicine since before Hippocrates, but the emphasis on prevention over treatment is new.) This new model of medicine emphasizes a corporate approach of individual care (in the US for profit health corporations dominate as opposed to state health corporations like the NHS, but they are actually just variations on a theme). The senior physicians and surgeons I speak to dislike the new model and the lack of autonomy in treatment decisions it fosters. Ultimately the tyranny will be resisted as stated, it’s between now and then that we suffer.

  2. wobbler2012 says:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg is a prime example of why you should never judge a book by its cover. When I first saw him on the TV I thought that he looked and sounded like a right pompous twat (he looks like he might be from the Victorian or Edwardian era) but it turns out that he’s actually a very sensible guy.

  3. cherie79 says:

    Trouble is it can depend on where you lve and how knowledgeable you are. I have had no problem getting any treatment, elective or necessary. I told them I did not want to stop smoking after my lung cancer surgery and, surprisingly, it has been accepted without lectures. I simply told them I researched the issue, made my decision on that basis and would take my chances. I said I know you gave a duty to warn me about smoking, HRT etc. but I don’t have a duty to accept the current views. I have lived long enough to see these change so many times over the years. If you stand up most doctors seem to be ok. I was also told they were quite willing to operate again if I developed a new Cancer if I was fit for it. Though I am likely out of danger for a recurrence I will always be at a higher risk of a new cancer but will cross that bridge if I come to it, meantime I enjoy my red wine and cigarettes! Just refuse to be bullied.

  4. Smoking Lamp says:

    From Denmark on car smoking bans:

    “Ban on smoking in cars pointless, says cancer society”

    The Danish cancer society, Kræftens Bekæmpelse, does not agree with the idea of a legislative ban on smoking in a car when children are inside.

    The US, Canada, Australia and France already have legislation prohibiting smoking in cars with children, and the practice will become illegal in Britain starting in October.

    However, there is little support for the idea among Danish politicians, even though seven out of ten Danes said they thought the practice should be banned in a recent poll.

    Cancer society not along for the ride
    Inge Haunstrup-Clemmensen from Kræftens Bekæmpelse said that education about the dangers of smoking in cars, whether or not children are along for the ride, is more important than a ban.

    “When you smoke in a car, which is a very small space, the substances in the smoke such as nicotine simply remain inside the car,” Haunstrup-Clemmensen told DR Nyheder. “Even if you air out, the contaminants remain forever.”

    Haunstrup-Clemmensen said the contamination swirls up every time anyone sits down in the car.

    “A substance like nicotine can be converted into carcinogens and be absorbed through the skin,” she said. “This means that a small child put in a child seat contaminated with old tobacco smoke absorbs those substances.”

    Knowledge, not laws
    According to Haunstrup-Clemmensen rather than a ban, it is more important to get information and knowledge out about the dangers of tobacco smoke.

    “People need to understand that it is no good just to air out the car,” she said. “This allows the individual to take responsibility for himself and for his family.”

    The Copenhagen Post, 13 February 2015,

    • waltc says:

      Knowledge ? Knowledge? That ” nicotine can be converted into carcinogens”? That babies can “absorb” these carcinogens through a seat? Next she’ll be “informing” us that passing a witch’s door can lead to miscarriage.

      On the topic, unfortunately smokers, drinkers and the overweight are already rather gleefully blamed for whatever diseases they acquire. That’ll only get worse as the establishment gets smugger and gets more political power.

      But a quick review of public health Lifestyle. Advice shows how piss poor it actually is:

      # High carb diets, recommended for weight loss and lower cholesterol, led to rampant obesity and more diabetes.

      # Low salt diets led to chronic fatigue and electrolyte imbalance and had little to no effect on blood pressure.

      # Vitamin A to prevent lung cancer was later said to cause it.

      # Margerine, recommended instead of butter because butter caused heart disease, was loaded with trans fats which were said to cause even more heart disease than butter, though both propositions remain questionable.

      # Low cholesterol diets have been shown to be pointless though the myth will die hard. The relationship of everyone-should-take-em statins to heart attack prevention has spectacularly fizzled while more and more statin side effects, including cancer, are making themselves known..

      # Hormone replacement, recommended for all for women, was said to prevent heart attacks, stroke and dementia but is now said to cause them.

      # And quit smoking advice led to an explosion of obesity (in direct inverse proportion) an increase in stress (and therefore in the consumption of tranquillizers anti-depressants with their own side effects) and probably to an increase in Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and inflammatory bowel disease though that will, of course, never be acknowledged.
      Yes, Public Health has a splendid record

      • Rose says:

        Couldn’t agree more, WaltC.

        Take a look at this, dozens of ex-smokers who have developed Ulcerative Colitis very shortly after stopping.

        The Battle of a Lifetime: Quit Smoking then Diagnosed with Colitis

        Needless to say nicotine has been tried as a treatment, everything else in a tobacco plant having been dismissed as 4,000 unnamed chemicals.

        Nicotine: does it have a role in the treatment of ulcerative colitis?

        “The use of nicotine as a single agent cannot be recommended at this time. Clinical trials have also revealed poor patient tolerability and long-term compliance due to nicotine’s significant adverse effect profile. Overall, investigation of nicotine in the treatment of ulcerative colitis has yielded disappointing results.”

        CONCLUSION: Nicotine cannot be recommended as adjunctive or single therapy for the treatment of ulcerative colitis and will not alter current treatment options.”

        So I’m wondering how the vapers are faring.

        • nisakiman says:

          So I’m wondering how the vapers are faring.

          That’s an interesting point, Rose. Since smoking is well known to have a preventative effect on ulcerative colitis, if the active ingredient isn’t nicotine then what is it? Carbon Monoxide has been mentioned regarding other diseases; do vapers get any CO? I’m not sure.

          Yes, a study regarding 100% vapers and histories of ulcerative colitis since they quit tobacco would be most enlightening, and could perhaps help pinpoint what is actually having the preventative effect.

        • Rose says:

          My money is on carbon monoxide for it’s anti-inflammatory effects, nisakiman, it seems to be what the body makes anyway to deal with such things.
          Our own carbon monoxide producing capability may become somewhat lazy after years of smoking as ex-smokers seem to get it worse than non smokers.

          It’s very annoying to have to work out these things for ourselves, but I have no intention of getting ulcerative colitis or diabetes type 2 just to please anti-tobacco.

        • cherie79 says:

          I had never heard of this but a friend of mine developed it soon after giving up after 50 years. The funny thing is he gave up because I was dx with lung cancer and he got scared. Four years on and still smoking I am fine while he has never been well since.

        • Rose says:

          It’s a terrible, debilitating disease by all accounts, Cherie, I’ve been reading some quite graphic descriptions.

  5. jaxthefirst says:

    Good to see (if I read the final result correctly), that the amendment was approved 8 to 5. What does this mean exactly? That this amendment will go through to the next stage and will automatically be included in the wording of the Act, if it gets passed?

  6. Jude says:

    Seems like we are returning to the days where sickness was less about the physical, and far more about the religious moral character of the person. In other words from the times when ignorance saw people blamed as being immoral, or somehow evil, because they fell ill. Science once fought against this ignorant view of illness, but today science seems to be getting smothered by the equally ignorant and corrupt views of those in the new religion of “healthism”.

    Make no mistake though, pretending to believe because it allows the proponents to gain power and wealth, is no different from the old religions. Those at the top of the hierarchy of the new “healthism” , no more believe the guff they spout, than the old priests believed in their god or gods. It is simply a useful tool to use against the gullible and ignorant.

    Will it be centuries before we see another Renaissance ? How many people will suffer and die needlessly at the hands of the corrupt and greedy ?

  7. LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) — A statewide ban on smoking in Kentucky has passed the House.

    The historic vote Friday morning prohibits indoor smoking in most public places — but there are some exemptions, like research centers and private clubs.
    The bill also allows local communities to pass their own anti-smoking ordinances before the law goes into effect.

    It now heads to the Senate, where its future is uncertain.

    Stivers president of the sebate said its going to a committee to die~!

    • AN ACT prohibiting smoking in public places and places of employment.
      Create new sections of KRS Chapter 438 to define terms; prohibit indoor smoking in businesses, places of employment, and other listed public places; exempt private residences, unless used for child care or adult day care; permit smoking in designated nonenclosed areas; require posting of “no smoking” signs at specified locations; permit local governments to adopt stricter regulations by ordinance; provide for enforcement by all peace officers and designated health department and local government employees; provide for the issuance of uniform citations for violations; require that employers and others not discriminate against persons reporting violations; provide for fines for violation; provide that fines go to the agency whose employee issued the citation; provide that no court costs or other fees be charged for violations; exempt certain research and manufacturing laboratories and agricultural buildings; amend KRS 344.040, relating to unlawful practices by an employer, to add reference to state law, local ordinance, or local board of health regulation relating to smoking; amend KRS 431.450, relating to uniform citations, to provide for issuing citation forms to health departments; authorize the Department of Kentucky State Police to create and issue uniform smoking violation citations; repeal various statutes permitting smoking in public buildings; provide that Sections 1 to 6 may be referred to as the Smokefree Kentucky Act.

      HB 145 – AMENDMENTS

      HFA (1, T. Thompson) – Retain original provisions of the bill, except add an exemption for tobacco businesses for marketing.
      HFA (2, B. Montell) – Retain original provisions except, establish an exemption for cigar bars that are physically separated from other establishments, have an on-site humidor, only permit the smoking of cigars that retail for $2,00 or more per cigar, prohibit smoking of all other tobacco products, and which possess certain filtering systems.
      HFA (3, J. Miller) – Retain original provisions of the bill except to exempt a small family owned business with 50 percent or more of its gross sales from the sale of alcohol related products.
      HFA (4, S. Lee) – Retain original provisions, except exempt e-cigarettes from the smoking ban.
      HFA (5, S. Lee) – Retain original provisions, except exempt e-cigarettes from the smoking ban; clarify that e-cigarette use is not prohibited by the provisions of the bill.
      HFA (6, R. Meyer) – Retain original provisions; define cigar bar and tobacconist; exempt cigar bars and tobacconists whose tobacco or cigar sales meet a certain threshold; require an annual affidavit that tobacco sales are at least 10 percent of the gross annual sales; require physical separation of any part of the establishment that allows smoking; require separate ventilation of any area where smoking is allowed; exempt private clubs; state that future or reenacted local goverment smoking bans shall recognize all exemptions established in this bill.
      HFA (7, R. Meyer) – Retain original provisions; define cigar bar and tobacconist; exempt cigar bars and tobacconists whose tobacco or cigar sales meet a certain threshold; require an annual affidavit that tobacco sales are at least 10 percent of gross annual sales; require physical separation of any part of the establishment that allows smoking; require separate ventilation of any area where smoking is allowed; exempt private clubs; state that future or reenacted local goverment smoking bans shall recognize all exemptions established in this bill.
      HFA (8, M. Denham) – Delete original provisions; create a new section of KRS Chapter 438 to define terms; prohibit smoking or other use of tobacco on property owned, leased, or contracted for use by the executive, judicial, or legislative branches; prohibit smoking or other use of tobacco on property owned, leased, or contracted for use by a municipal or local government; prohibit smoking in public schools; prohibit smoking in veterans’ centers and facilities owned or operated by the Cabinet for Health and Family Services via promulgation of administrative regulation; establish exemptions; clarify that existing smoking bans are not impacted by this bill; repeal KRS 61.165, 61.167, and 438.050, relating to smoking on governmental property and in schools.
      HFA (9, S. Riggs) – Retain original provisions, except allow a local government to opt out of the statewide smoking ban on a two-year basis by a majority vote and continue opting out each two years, if the local goverment fails to opt out, the smoking ban established in the bill then permanently applies.
      HFA (10, R. Meyer) – Retain original provisions, except define cigar bar and tobacconist; exempt cigar bars and tobacconists whose tobacco or cigar sales meet a certain threshold; require an annual affidavit that tobacco sales are at least 10 percent of gross annual sales; exempt private clubs; and lessen fine amounts.
      HFA (11, D. Watkins) – Retain original provisions, except exempt private clubs; require that each violation only be punishable by a $25 fine for the first violation and $50 for any additional violations; direct 50 percent of collected fines to circuit court clerks to defray administrative expenses; direct 50 percent to existing allocation in bill; delete repealer section.
      HFA (12, J. DuPlessis) – Retain original provisions, except exempt a labeled and ventilated “Smoking Establishment”.
      HFA (13, J. Bell) – Retain original provisions, except clarify that this bill does not repeal existing ordinances or regulations that restrict smoking.
      HFA (14, J. Shell) – Retain original provisions, except modify the definition of “smoking”; define additional terms; prohibit vapor products in certain indoor and outdoor areas; expand protections for employees that smoke to include employees that use vapor products or other alternative nicotine products.
      Jan 8-introduced in House
      Jan 9-to Health & Welfare (H)
      Feb 3-posted in committee
      Feb 5-reported favorably, 1st reading, to Calendar
      Feb 6-2nd reading, to Rules; floor amendments (1) and (2) filed
      Feb 9-floor amendments (3) (4) and (5) filed
      Feb 10-floor amendments (6) (7) (8) and (9) filed
      Feb 11-posted for passage in the Regular Orders of the Day for Thursday, February 12, 2015; floor amendment (8) withdrawn ; floor amendment (10) filed
      Feb 12-floor amendments (11) (12) (13) and (14) filed

  8. Smoking Lamp says:

    On the potential Kentucky Ban a poll suggests majority on favor but also support exemptions for cigar bars and private clubs (a mixed message). See: “Poll | Smoking in Kentucky,”

    • Heres my personal thoughts. The ky Gov Beshear will be gone next year as gov elections here are 2 years diff than presidential races. So in effect its Beshears last hoorah to get a ban in place in his tenure. I further think if the world can wait out til Obama is gone much of the world anti-tobacco agenda will collapse without American support worldwide……..

      If we can just hold them off at least this session and one more the threat of more possibly bans will be behind us. This is my gut feeling as its democrats 46 of them and the rest rino reps who voted for it. I didn’t get a head sup nor the team here in ky. They snuck it in real quick before any opposition could be arranged…………That was house democrat Stumbo who did that. It wasn’t suppose to be up fo a vote or anything until next wednsday.

    • smokinglamp the poll is on the courier press the biggest libtard democrat paper in Kentucky……hense it will get more liberal attention than pro choise folks,that would explain the percentiles.

  9. Tom says:

    ISIS Militants in the Middle East seem to have a “cure for smoking” – it is called – public beheading of smokers.

    (Maybe this is the same long term goal for the anti-smoking-industry fanatics here in the west too.)

    Here is the latest.

    “… The Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria has long imposed a strict ban on alcohol, cursing, smoking and other acts deemed haram, or sinful. But it seems smoking may be the vice that’s most offensive to ISIS, considering the severed head of an ISIS official that was reportedly found last month in eastern Syria with a cigarette in its mouth. “This is not permissible, Sheikh,” a note attached to the nearby corpse read in Arabic, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.

    While cigarettes are allowed under Islam, the terror group’s severe interpretation of Sharia law declares smoking as a “slow suicide” and thus forbidden in ISIS-controlled areas. The Islamic State — formerly known as ISIS or ISIL — began imposing radical restrictions last year after overtaking large areas in eastern Syria’s Deir Elzur province, which is adjacent to another stronghold and the group’s de facto capital of Raqqa. ISIS imposed the full-face veil for women and banned music as well as the sale of cigarettes and hookah pipes, noting the “financial and health damages” from smoking, according to Al-Monitor.

    “Every smoker should be aware that with every cigarette he smokes in a state of trance and vanity is disobeying god,” the so-called ISIS Preaching Office reportedly said in a statement last year. “Three days following the issuance of the statement, selling tobacco and shisha will be strictly prohibited and those who insist on selling them will bring injustice upon themselves and upon other people. All tobacco quantities will be burned and the seller will be punished according to Sharia.”

    ISIS has burned millions of cigarette packs in Iraq and Syria in order to enforce the smoking ban. The militants have also seized cannabis fields and have posted videos of the marijuana plants doused in gasoline and set ablaze….”

    Link is below with a place for comments:

    • Smoking Scot says:

      Careful: That link’s chock-a-blog full of tags, cookies and viruses.

      • tags and cookies for sure but I wasn’t aware of viruses. Likely tracking cookies

      • Tom says:

        Try this one, International Business Times, mainstream news article of the same thing, the source where the blog apparently found it, complete with photo of cartons of cigs being burned.

        No viruses at the blog site of which I am aware.

        • kin_free says:

          This is a re-writing of the original story to maintain the anti-smoker perception of smokers as victims who do not resist. I posted this on the gateway pundit article;

          There are lots of inconsistencies in this story of the beheading of an ISIS leading official. He was found with a cigarette in his mouth and some reports say a note was attached to the body;“This is not permissible, Sheikh,”(as in this version), others say the note carried the message “This is evil, you Sheikh” written on it. Yet another claims that “O Sheikh this is munkar (hateful and evil thing)” was written on his body. 

Some make the assumption that the ISIS sheikh was a smoker and beheaded by his own people.

          We have to ask the question, is the victim, described as ‘ISIS chief executioner’, known to be the DEPUTY EMIR of the feared al-Hesbah (or Hisbah), ISIS’s police force, that enforces the strict ISIS anti-smoker laws, likely to be a smoker? I think not! 

          No! This beheading was an act of resistance against strict ISIS laws as this report points out;

          “There is an escalation in the operations against the Hisbah because they are arresting people and insulting their dignity for reasons like smoking,” and the note (however worded) was a mocking reference to the fact that smoking is a sin in the eyes of the ISIS religious police.

          Throughout history and across the world, there is ample evidence that those who pursue coercive anti-smoker dogma are invariable evil, tending to use it as a tool of oppression, suppression and coercive social control. (Hitler comes to mind as another example) What’s more it appears to work, temporarily at least, until sanity is re-established by normal, rational and tolerant people. The ISIS example is no different. This an extreme example but anti-smokers in the western world just do not like the public to know that there is indeed substantial resistance to smoke ban madness everywhere.

  10. Kentucky smoking ban clears House but may get snuffed out in Senate

    Although its chances of becoming law seem perilous at best, Friday’s vote in the Kentucky House to endorse a smoking ban counted as a notable moment in a…

    The Kentucky House endorsed a statewide smoking ban in public buildings and most workplaces, with the measure passing the Democratic-led chamber 51-46. The bill now heads to the Republican-run Senate, where it faces a bigger challenge.

    “After five years of hard work, I’m delighted we’ve gotten it through the House,” said Democratic Rep. Susan Westrom, the bill’s lead sponsor. “My hope is to see some movement in the Senate, that would be a miracle. We don’t know what to dream for until we get to the end of the session and see how far we come.”

    Westrom said about 950 people die every year in Kentucky because of secondhand smoke exposure and that tobacco use costs Kentucky families and businesses $4.7 billion a year in healthcare bills and lost productivity.

    Senate Majority Leader Damon Thayer has said there isn’t much sentiment in the chamber to pass a smoking ban, according to the Associated Press.

    c Comments

    Got something to say? Start the conversation and be the first to comment. Add a commentí


    While tobacco has historically been an important part of Kentucky’s agriculture and economy, the industry isn’t what it once was. According to the latest U.S. Department of Agriculture census, in 2012 Kentucky had only 4,530 tobacco farms — an 84.5% drop from 29,237 farms a decade earlier.

    There are several dozen Kentucky communities that have comprehensive smoke-free ordinances, according to the University of Kentucky College of Nursing. Lexington, one of the state’s biggest cities, passed a smoking ban in 2004.

    The bill was amended so it will not pre-empt the local smoke-free ordinances that are already in effect. The bill was also amended to exempt cigar bars, cigar clubs, tobacco stores and private clubs.

    According to the American Nonsmokers’ Rights Foundation, there are 24 states with laws in effect that require non-hospitality workplaces, restaurants and bars to be 100% smoke-

  11. Have you ever been in a position to tell a businessman his business was in Peril and try to explain why and he finanlly gets to the point,but thinks ok I will just go private club. Then you tell him,do you realize they will keep coming back until all the excemptions are gone including your so called private club. So Ray goes your kidding andI said nope Im not. I told him these folks have a rule book and it states to keep going back year after year until all the excemptions are gone.

    I then tol him if you know anybody in state government friends or whatever to get busy on the phone ASAP Monday being to late………..

    But I Finally got his eyes and face to contort into that white ghost when reality finally set in and what it means. His business is BANKRUPT along with everyone elses.

  12. Frank Davis says:


    Britain is facing an outbreak of scarlet fever, with infection rates rising rapidly and the disease spreading faster than at any time in half a century.

    More than 300 new cases of the bacterial infection were reported in England last week, with 1,265 cases registered since the beginning of the year…

    “The key thing is to get to the GP and getting antibiotics,” she said, adding that doctors did not yet know why scarlet fever had started to spread so rapidly for the first time in 50 years, especially as there was no evidence that a new strain of the infection has emerged.

    • Frank we just had a big outbreak here its caused by strep throat……………only the local news dint call it scarlet fever.

    • lleweton says:

      Just after the war, my sister, aged about seven contracted scarlet fever. The GP said she should stay in her room. My mother hung sheets soaked in Dettol throughout the house. My uncle, who was with us at the time of the diagnosis kept his pipe (Exmoor Hunt tobacco) alight throughout the time he was with us. I remember his saying that this would kill the germs. No-one else in the family caught the disease. Can’t draw any conclusions from that I know.

    • Edgar says:

      The reduction in passive smoking is weakening the non-smokers’ lungs. Maybe …

  13. Smuggled smokes

    Nannies v Al Capone

    Feb 12th 2015, 15:48 | From the print edition

    Last summer Eric Garner died after a New York cop put him in a chokehold. His crime was selling “loosies”, or untaxed cigarettes. Smuggling is common in New York: 58% of cigarettes smoked in the state are contraband.

  14. beobrigitte says:

    I think that the health service is about curing people who are ill

    That is what is should be. And it worked well until health paranoia was introduced. These days more healthy people wanting to hear what they already know – that they are perfectly healthy – are taking up the appointment slots available; the sick people have to wait… Or go to A&E.

    Today the BBC announced that people who are ill through life style choices (aimed at overweight people) will have their benefit cut if they refuse ‘to-be-helped’.
    I do not know an overweight person who is in receipt of benefit, they are in work.
    Dave thinks (I really wish he wouldn’t attempt to do so) that ‘it-is-unfair-to-the-ones-in-work-to-pick-up-the-bill’.

    Stamp out health paranoia and there will be enough money for the sick. This ‘prevention’ lark is costly and has negative effects. I will never forget the woman who found a little lump 3 weeks after having been given the all clear from the breast cancer prevention truck going round. This woman did not act on that little lump she felt. By the time she did it was too late. She died. Since then I remember 3 others like that – and that is only me.

    Interference in peoples’ lives kills. I guess Dave has no idea……

    (That helps to know where to put a cross on the voting paper in May – I can’t vote for the national election but I can vote locally.)

  15. cherie79 says:

    I had the opposite experience around 22 years ago. I was told I had suspicious micro calcification after a mammo and they wanted to do surgery. Can’t explain it but every fibre of my body screamed don’t do it so I went to see the best Breast cancer specialist I could find and he explained the difference between the calcification in anyone who had a child and the one that could be a precursor to Cancer. Every mammo since has been clear so thank heavens for instinct, Drs can be wrong.

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