Keep NOLA Killjoy-Free

I’m keeping an eye on New Orleans, where Latoyah Cantrell is trying to introduce a smoking ban,  the proposal for which comes before the city’s Community Development Committee on Wednesday.

H/T Harley, the Louisiana state police:

…the state police says New Orleans will lose $86 million in two years in revenue if a smoking ban ordinance is passed by the Metropolitan City Council.

To be exact, the state police report concluded that in two years New Orleans would lose $86.4 million from gaming revenue sources and another $17.4 million in fees.

The report by the state police is solely based on projections in other states, which have seen a decrease in revenue thanks to overreaching smoking ban ordinances.

For instance, in Delaware, the state police said the state saw a 12 percent decrease in revenue after a smoking ban was enacted. And in Atlantic City, a 24 percent decrease has taken place over two years thanks to a smoking ban.

Already, Louisiana’s revenue is down 24 percent from a 2007 state-wide smoking ban in all restaurants. And for bars and hotels, revenue is down 10 percent since 2007, according to the state police report.

And from a New Orleans attorney a week back:

If there is one thing New Orleanians should take from this history, it’s that we need to ignore the killjoys, people who are constantly nit-picking every vice and activity. The killjoys aren’t good for New Orleans and they never have been. The killjoys care about their own sedate enjoyment, and they readily turn to the power of the state to enforce it.

The past few years have seen a marked increase in killjoy operations. We are now debating a broad indoor smoking ban that applies across-the-board to all bars, including hookah lounges and cigar bars, and even regulates smoking anywhere near a regulated a business. It even includes e-cigarettes, which have no serious verified health impacts.

Why the overly expansive regulation? Because killjoy, that’s why.


Killjoys are certainly making their voices heard, and it’s a problem. They divert scarce enforcement resources away from the areas where they are needed, instead using them to fight their pet Puritanical causes. Sometimes killjoys use our Byzantine myriad of laws and zoning restrictions to get their way. Other times they want new laws. In all cases, they want the city to have their back.

New Orleans needs to be a killjoy-free zone. It goes against our nature to keep everything sedate, sober, and synchronized. It doesn’t come within our scope of experience, and it’s not the type of thing we’re begging for instruction in. Sure, we all have a tendency to become cranky and oversensitive at times (particularly as we age) but that’s not an excuse for collectively raining on everyone’s parade.

I hope the Community Development Committee meeting gets a large public attendance on Wednesday – a bit like in Westminster, Connecticut.

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37 Responses to Keep NOLA Killjoy-Free

  1. Smoking Lamp says:

    The proposed NOLA ban is extremely critical. The Antismokers are bringing on a full court press. They appear to have both broad support and significant opposition.

    In today’s Times-Picayune an article “Debate on New Orleans’ proposed smoking ban heats up before committee hearing,” contains the powerpoint summary of a survey conducted by the Cancer Action Network. As expected it shows a majority supporting the ban. Of course the ban was conducted by the activists and may be biased. as the Times-Picayune observed: “The poll shows that 66 percent of New Orleanians voters favor some sort of smoking ban. But the survey gleaned its findings from just 200 sample responses and 60 phone interviews conducted between Dec. 16-18.”

    Another article “Poll finds “overwhelming support” for smoking ban” over at Gambit/Best of also covers the proposed ban.

    A recent poll at the Times-Picayune in November 2014 may show that support for the ban then is indicated by the smoke-free advocate’s poll. The Times-Picayune did not reference the results of their own online survey in today’s article. The results of that poll follow:

    How should New Orleans handle smoking laws?

    Leave smokers alone. It’s no place for government interference. 48.23% (845 votes)
    Enact an outright ban on smoking in public spaces or bars. 42.98% (753 votes)
    Create incentives for businesses to go smoke-free. Give examples in the comments below. 4% (70 votes)
    Continue to fight to raise taxes on cigarettes. 3.88% (68 votes)
    Other: 0.91% (16 votes)
    Total Votes: 1,752

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      I got banned on NOLA in under 6 minutes from initial post of ONE comment destroying atrops casino ambulance study done by glantz……….. I think that’s a new record

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        If just one of us could get 15 minutes in the podium with live cam feeds on the news running we could make a laughing stock out of the whole lot of them.

      • Smoking Lamp says:

        I too have found that posting links to studies that have discounted the “miracle cure” of smoking bans have led toy posts being removed and subsequently sitting in moderation forever. Yet while my civil and referenced posts are censored the vulgar, invective laden rebuttals (often calling for smokers to die) somehow remain. It’s hard to get a balanced position out if it’s censored.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Every once in awhile they actually let us fight it out………….I mean On NOLA even and then 2 days later you go back and then you’ve been banned and everything you stated is gone but all the posts answering back are still sitting there. Kinda like watching a movie and they’ve cut out all the juicy stuff and left nothing but hellos and high 5’s.

      • Smoking Lamp says:

        I;m getting banned at almost all the NOLA sites. Also got banned at the Evening Times (Glasgow) for being critical of the plain packages initiative.

  2. smokervoter says:

    From Harley’s “Pentagon’s War on Tobacco Fails” link the other day:

    That’s a great article find there Harley! The Free Beacon has become the true voice of liberty. It’s the only publication that consistently allows smoker-friendly dialogue.

    Other suggestions included doing yoga and treating oneself to fancy meals. Sources tell me, however, that Afghanistan suffers from a shortage of yoga studios.

    Jesus Mio, antismokers haven’t got a clue have they?

    And Dick Durbin is the absolute pits isn’t he? He always looks to me like he’s fixing to have a nervous breakdown. Illinois smokers should have specifically targeted him for the scrapheap last November. His scalp would have been a prize trophy.

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  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    CVS to close local nutrition center with 124 workers

    January 5, 2015

    IBJ Staff
    A division of CVS Pharmacy Inc. plans to close the Coram Enteral Nutrition Center in Indianapolis, ending employment for 124 workers.

    Caremark RX LLC said it would consolidate work done at the facility to locations in Littleton, Colorado, and Jackson, Tennessee.

    Layoffs at the center at 7353 Company Drive., near East Southport Road and Interstate 65, are scheduled for Feb. 27, the company said in a Dec. 30 letter to the Indiana Department of Workforce Development.

    Workers at the center provide services and support to tube-feeding patients. Most of the employees are involved in customer service or customer quality. About 20 of the workers are involved in billing services. Another 11 are dietitians.

    CVS said some of the employees might be offered an opportunity to stay with the company in other positions, but said “the number and identity of those employees is unknown at this time.”

    CVS acquired the Colorado-based Coram LLC business unit from Apria Healthcare Group Inc. in November 2013 for about $2.1 billion. Coram is one of the nation’s largest providers of infusion services, providing therapies and nutrition services to more than 20,000 patients a month.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      I think we will see quite a bit more downsizing by CVS in the near future. Theyre cutting costs to get more profitable after cutting their heads off over tobacco……….

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    From Audrey NYCLASH

    Something of use in regard to “secondhand smoke” has cropped up out of this thanks to the work of Dr. Kabat:

    ” Another interesting implication of this study is that some exposures that have received widespread publicity and/or have gained wide acceptance may not play an important role in determining the risk for certain cancers, as is sometimes implied. For example, the Science paper indicates that lung cancer occurring in non-smokers may be due largely to chance errors rather than to commonly invoked risk factors, such as exposure to other peoples’ tobacco smoke,…

    • carol2000 says:

      That’s the kind of lame argument the anti-smokers want us to use. That’s why it’s in the mass media in the first place.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    Jan Johnson on facebook

    Divine justice

    Divine justice? ISIS executioner found beheaded with cigarette in his mouth

    Written by Michele Hickford, Editor-in-Chief on January 6, 2015

    There’s no proof the ISIS anti-smoking league was behind this, but there’s something rather schadenfreude-isn about the untimely death of the ISIS chief executioner.

    According to International Business Times, “the body of the Egyptian man, known to be the deputy emir of the feared al-Hesbah (or Hisbah) force in the eastern province of Deir al-Zor, was recovered near a power plant in al-Mayadeen city, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.”

    “The corpse showed signs of torture and carried the message “This is evil, you Sheikh” written on it. The severed head also had a cigarette in its mouth. It is unclear who carried out the decapitation but the message was obvious.”

    It’s not exactly sure what the messenger thought was particularly evil — was it beheadings in general or just cigarettes? International Business Times says ISIS has a strict ban on smoking, calling it a “slow suicide” and demands that “every smoker should be aware that with every cigarette he smokes in a state of trance and vanity is disobeying God.”

    But lest you think ISIS and the liberal anti-smoking lobby in the U.S. are in agreement, ISIS also bars the use of drugs and alcohol. Of course, there’s still fun to be had with young girls, who are traded like baseball cards for sex and summarily executed if they refuse.

    Nonetheless, It’s heartening to know there’s one less cigarette-smoking monster on our planet today.

  7. waltc says:

    Someone ought to go around NOLA scrawling “Killjoy was here” on available walls.

    Meanwhile, for as long as it lasts, I posted this at the site Smoking Lamp linked to at the end:

    “Two things amaze me.

    First, how quickly a new hatred can be manufactured through the constant drone of libelous propaganda (think what the Nazis did to the Jews in the course of a mere decade and apply that principle to what’s happened now to create a mass aversion to smokers and smoke.) Ask yourself, Haters. When did you start to hate smokers and think smoking was vile? Not all your lives. Not nearly. Not till you were given official permission to find a scapegoat. (A national survey in the mid 20th C showed that the vast majority of nonsmokers enjoyed the smell of smoke and held nothing against the almost 60% of their fellow Americans who enjoyed a Camel or a Lucky.)

    The second thing that amazes me is that the posts of those who disagree with the ban and those who don’;t condemn smokers as a lower life form have been deleted, since at other websites those posters have complained of being deleted or “moderated” out of existence. This purposely creates a false one-sided picture of public opinion, and I lay that censorship at the feet of the editors.

    Who willl undoubtedly delete or not-post this comment too”

    • prog says:


      That’s 3 and half days wages FFS*

      *Gross earnings of £2,160,000 (2012)

    • Barry Homan says:

      You just can’t believe it. THIS IS AN INSANE WORLD

    • Frank Davis says:

      Silly place to smoke a cigarette anyway.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Its the steam Frank it covers up the smell and the smoke………..I knew a few Seabees that use to smoke a joint in the steam room on base. Just crack a valve open to flush condensate build ups and smoke to your hearts content.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          he steam boiler room is what I meant to say not a steam sauna. But that might work well too.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          At motels I just light one up in the hallway,drop it in a soda can and let it burn. Then we smoke in the room with a window open. Drives the Nazis crazy.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          The wife has started bringing a ionizer air filter blower with us on trips the last few times and that seems to work quite well too.Just smoke close to it at the table and it keeps the odors down to near nothing. Then weve also sprayed the room with heavy scents of perfume. I tell ya the smoking rooms they keep for smokers as compared to non smoking rooms is like day and night. Its like they don’t even bother to clean them much less chage the sheets. So weve opted for non-smoking rooms. Fuckem if they cant take a joke I always pay cash. There so called cleaning charges are BS they don’t do anything more than they would before. And if they do anything is they mask the residual odors with other cleaning solvents and spray. They really don’t do anything.

          I mean some of these motels have lost so much travel business they will give you a non smoking room anyhow.

  8. harleyrider1978 says:
    Proposed smoking ban up for discussion

    Councilwoman LaToya Cantrell will hold a committee meeting in the City Council Chambers to discuss and receive public comment on the proposed smoke-free ordinance.

    The community meeting takes place 10 am Wednesday, January 7, 2015 in City Council Chambers, 1300 Perdido St., New Orleans, LA 70112.

    “The smoke-free ordinance would go a long way in terms of protecting our workers and improving public health,” Councilmember Cantrell says. “It’s imperative that we present the best possible legislation, and that means hearing the public and having them weigh in on the proposal.”

    The smoke-free ordinance, which is co-authored by Councilmembers Cantrell and Susan Guidry (District A) was given a first reading at the November 20 City Council meeting.
    The meeting follows a presentation from members of the Coalition for Tobacco-Free Living recognizing the Louisiana Campaign for Tobacco-Free Living (LCTFL). LCTFL is a statewide initiative that “envisions a healthier Louisiana through 100% tobacco-free living.” The campaign’s initiatives focus on: eliminating exposure to secondhand smoke; tobacco prevention among youth; promoting tobacco cessation among youth and adults; identifying and eliminating tobacco related disparities; and coordinating various tobacco control and prevention initiatives throughout Louisiana

    Councilmember Cantrell said she has several amendments to present in today’s public meeting that will address exemptions to the ordinance for bars with outdoor areas designated for smoking and for close-proximity bars whose entrances may not allow for the 25ft required distance. Cantrell said, “The next step is to move it to a full council for a vote.”

  9. carol2000 says:

    The latest study on HPV and lung cancer:
    Correlation between squamous cell carcinoma of the lung and human papillomavirus infection and the relationship to expression of p53 and p16. X Fan, K Yu, J Wu, J Shao, L Zhu, J Zhang. Tumour Biol. 2014 Dec 28 [Epub ahead of print]. 128 adenocarcinomas and 134 squamous cell carcinomas in Shanghai. “The rate of HPV infection in SQC cases was significantly higher than in ADC cases (12.69 versus 3.91 %). Females with SQC had a significantly higher rate of HPV infection compared to males with SQC (18.75 versus 7.14 %, p = 0.044). HPV infection was correlated with gender and age in SQC but not with the degree of tumor differentiation, TNM stage, or smoking.”
    And don’t turn up your nose just because it’s not 100% of lung cancer caused by HPV. Remember the supposed smoking-related mechanism the anti-smokers peddle (benzo(a)pyrene diol epoxide-DNA adducts at hot spot codons at p53 in lung cells) could only pertain to about 7% or less of lung cancers.

  10. waltc says:

    Unless I’m missing something, all the comments (I think there were almost 200 last nite) are now gone from that NOLA article.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      That isn’t abnormal for them on a smoking story at all…………..They come back and see their asses kicked and POOF everything is gone for fear somebody might read it and mention a fact or 2 in the city council meeting.

  11. beobrigitte says:

    If there is one thing New Orleanians should take from this history, it’s that we need to ignore the killjoys, people who are constantly nit-picking every vice and activity. The killjoys aren’t good for New Orleans and they never have been.

    The killjoys aren’t good for anyone and I agree with: we need to ignore the killjoys.

    The killjoys care about their own sedate enjoyment, and they readily turn to the power of the state to enforce it.
    Quite a while ago I thought that they were a bunch of people who suffer from the ‘helper syndrome’; has anyone, however politely, rejected the ‘offer of help’ from someone who thinks he/she HAS TO ‘help’ you?
    “It’s your fault when it goes wrong, don’t say that I didn’t tell you!!!” …. “I only want your best!!!”….. “You’ll be grateful one day…..” etc.etc.etc.

    They, indeed, might get enjoyment out of what they do and what they dream up to make a lot of people miserable. And there is an added bonus: they don’t have to look at themselves and address their (plentyful) short comings.
    Perhaps soon we will see them walking around towns in ‘hero’ costumes like this?

    Which may well lead to this:

  12. harleyrider1978 says:


    Juliette Tworsey

    30 mins · Edited

    Quick update on the proposed vaping and smoking ban in New Orleans: the council committee voted 3/2 today to “bring the issue to the full council for more public debate”, much to the chagrin of the anti-smokers in the room who wanted the committee to vote to bring the ordinance for a full vote before the entire council TOMORROW. That is not going to happen now. A few disrespectful vapers were thrown out of the room and the rep from the ALA got to speak TWICE. The irony of some of the lies about ETS was lost on some (by irony I mean that they were surprised at the disinformation about vapor, but not ETS), but not all vapers in the room. Ultimately, it appeared that there were more opponents than proponents of ban in the fully packed council chambers. Not bad when you consider the amount of advance time and money afforded to the professional ANTZ lobby. I may write a bit more about this in the next couple of days when I have the time to sit down and recollect a bit more. As an aside, even if you don’t live in New Orleans, you can write a letter to the council members (and to the mayor), especially if you have ever come (or plan on it in the future) to New Orleans for business or pleasure. Oh, and I think that it’s safe to say that I was the only one in the room to have ever even heard of a tobacco vaporizer. Not that it matters, but I do think that it made a couple of councilmen realize that the potential (and benefit) of vapor technology has yet to be realized:-) Cheers!

    • Smoking Lamp says:

      The message that SHS does not present a threat to others is totally missing. The conventional wisdom as nurtured by the Tobacco Control cult is all they hear.

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    Tobacco companies criticize federal judge

    Posted: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:29 pm | Updated: 4:03 pm, Wed Jan 7, 2015.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Tobacco companies on Wednesday accused a federal judge of forcing them to inaccurately describe themselves as unscrupulous villains who continue to deceive the public.

    In an appeals court filing, the industry said statements ordered by the judge in a government lawsuit would only trigger public anger against the companies and should be scrapped.

    U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ordered the largest cigarette makers to admit they had lied for decades about the dangers of smoking, and to publicize a federal court’s conclusion that Altria, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco, Lorillard, and Philip Morris USA deliberately deceived the public.

    The companies said the statement was misleading and too broad.

    In 2009, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit directed Kessler to craft corrective statements confined to purely factual and uncontroversial information that would reveal previously hidden truths about the tobacco industry’s products.

    But the companies said in the new filing that Kessler went beyond those instructions and ordered a series of inflammatory statements that require the defendants to denigrate themselves.

    The companies said that in accordance with the appeals court’s ruling, they stand ready to disseminate statements that provide public health information about cigarettes.

    Arguments in the case will be heard on Feb. 23.

  14. harleyrider1978 says:

    Should New Olreans be smoke-free? Debate over smoking ban proposal heats up

    NEW ORLEANS (WGNO) – To be smoke-free or not to be — that is the question.

    More than 250 supporters and opponents came out to a public hearing Wednesday, over a proposed ordinance that would make smoking banned in most public places, including bars and casinos.

    New Orleans City Council Members LaToya Cantrell and Susan Guidry made 15 amendments, some of the big ones.

    Smokers would only have to be 5 feet away from public property, instead of the originally proposed 25 feet.

    Smoking would still be allowed in cigar and hookah bars established before January 8th of this year. And smoking would also be allowed at big public events, like Jazzfest and Voodoo Fest.

    Councilwoman Cantrell says it is time this was put into place. But many opponents of the ban say these changes aren’t good enough.

    A spokesman for Harrah’s Casino told us they could lose lots of money and business.

    “The impact to us would be in the millions of dollar range and what that translates to from a tax standpoint to the city and the state — it can be pretty substantial. Cancer and smoking have impacted everybody, but people also have the opportunity to choose,” said Logan Gaskill of Harrah’s Casino.

    “When you talk about the dollar amount, you also have to talk about the health of our people, and that really trumps it all. And it is time for the City of New Orleans to step up and ensure that all of our people, all of our employees, musicians have the right to work in a healthy, clean environment,” said Councilwoman LaToya Cantrell.

    A Gallup poll from last year found 24.1% of the people in Louisiana smoke — one of the highest smoking rates in the country.

    But a smaller poll, from the American Cancer Society, found that 66% of voters favor a smoke-free ordinance.

    The committee will take the public comment made Wednesday into consideration.

    Then the council will vote on the legislation later. An official date hasn’t been set.

  15. Bemused says:

    Very interesting read. Some smokers have had enough it seems !!

    • Bemused says:

      Extract from the BBC article above, in case it disappears

      There is an escalation in the operations against the Hisbah because they are arresting people and insulting their dignity for reasons like smoking,” Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP news agency.

      The IS police force has confiscated and burned tobacco products and punished those caught smoking.

      According to reports, the force’s deputy commander in the area had been captured, tortured and beheaded.

      His severed head was reportedly found with a cigarette in its mouth and close by was a note with a mocking reference to the fact that smoking is a sin in the eyes of the religious police.

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