The War on Alcohol Intensifies

I hadn’t been aware that the Scottish drink-drive limit had been reduced (from 0.08% to 0.05%) in early December. From Pub Curmudgeon:

In the sidebar, I say of the possible reduction of the UK drink-driving limit that “In my, view this is at least as much a threat to pubs as the smoking ban.” And it seems that I’m not the only one. In the weeks following the limit cut in Scotland, many pubs, clubs and bars have seen their trade drop off a cliff.

Paul Waterson, chief executive of the Scottish Licensed Trade Association, said the law change would lead to a “complete change to drinking habits” and would be “bigger than the smoking ban.“Rural pubs especially are at risk because people travel to them,” he said. “This definitely will be a difficult situation for many. It’s having a marked effect.

“It stops people having a glass of wine with a meal or a pint with a meal. People are not taking the chance. It’s a game-changer.

“This is a very strict ban by anyone’s standards. We have lost three pubs a week since the smoking ban and this, for many, is worse.”

It seems that bars in golf clubs, which have a much wider social base in Scotland than south of the border, are especially feeling the pinch. These are classic examples of where the primary purpose of people’s car journeys is something else, but they take the opportunity to combine it with a drink in the bar. It’s easy to say “I could have told you that”, but from my perspective it seems that the cut was nodded through with the support of all four major political parties in Scotland and little organised opposition. The point must also be made that, if drivers have cut down, they must have believed they were obeying the previous law. Existing lawbreakers would be undeterred.

I’ve written before how the growing reluctance to drive after consuming any alcohol at all has been a major and largely unrecognised factor in the decline of pubs. However, a lot of it does still take place, even though commentators within a metropolitan bubble are reluctant to acknowledge it, and across the country there must be tens of thousands of pubs that derive a substantial proportion of their trade from law-abiding drinking drivers.

The Scottish smoking ban preceded the UK smoking ban by a year or two. So I think we can guess that the UK drink-drive limit will also be reduced in a year or two (regardless of what rubber-stamp party is in power). And there’ll be a new wave of pub closures. And perhaps golf club closures as well.

Perhaps they’re trying to destroy the hospitality industry?

And H/T Chris Snowdon for another new attack on drinkers:

Arrest drunks who clog up hospital A&E wards, says medical chief

The leader of Britain’s A&E doctors is urging the police to adopt a “zero-tolerance” strategy towards binge drinking that would see troublesome drunks arrested, charged and given a criminal record. Dr Cliff Mann wants police forces to mount campaigns over several successive weekends against those who are drunk and disorderly to try to reduce the numbers needing help from A&E staff, diverting resources from patients he said were “more deserving”.

Mann, president of the College of Emergency Medicine, told theObserver: “If more people knew that if they got drunk they were going to be arrested, they wouldn’t drink in the first place and then end up in A&E. If more people knew that they were facing the prospect of a prosecution and having to pay a fine, that would be an effective sanction or deterrent to drinking too much.”

He said robust action by police would deter binge drinkers and help combat Britain’s worsening problem of “gratuitous consumption” of alcohol. “There’s far too much acceptance that this is normal for a Friday or Saturday night,” he said. “It’s not normal. It shouldn’t be normal.”

So now if you show up drunk at A&E you get arrested? Doctors have turned into policemen.

It can’t be long before they turn their attention to sex and drugs. Particularly since Britain’s heroic hookers and drug dealers have boosted the UK economy to 5th largest in the world:

Britain has inched out France as the world’s fifth-largest economy thanks to what The Telegraph calls “a shake-up” of the national accounts this summer. UK gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to total $2.828 trillion (£1.816 trillion) this year, compared with French GDP of $2.827 trillion, as The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) said Britain’s acceleration was boosted by the inclusion of sex and drugs to UK growth (as part of new pan-European accounting standards). Official estimates show prostitution added about £5.7bn to the UK economy in 2013, while illegal drugs were worth about £6.62bn.

They ought to get medals.

I’ve been waiting for Taking Liberties to reveal the details of a embargoed new attack on smokers. But instead I report that a new poll has found that:

Asked to agree or disagree with the statement, ‘Owners of pubs and private members clubs should be allowed to have a private room for people to smoke in if they want to’, the 4135 respondents reacted as follows:

51% agree
35% disagree
13% don’t know

P.S. Maybe this is what Taking Liberties was referring to?

Roll-ups are just as harmful as manufactured cigarettes

Smokers turning to roll-up cigarettes are being warned they harm the body just as much as manufactured smokes.

Public health officials found that male smokers using hand-rolled cigarettes had more than doubled from 18 per cent in 1990 to 40 per cent in 2013.

Women smoking mainly roll-ups went from just 2 per cent to 23 per cent in the same period, despite warnings that hand-rolled cigarettes are just as harmful.

The figures were highlighted ahead of a new hard-hitting campaign by Public Health England (PHE) warning smokers of the damage caused by their habit.

P.P.S. H/T Tony, UKIP 2014 THE MOVIE (3 hrs)


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48 Responses to The War on Alcohol Intensifies

  1. jaxthefirst says:

    “Perhaps they’re trying to destroy the hospitality industry?”

    Ahem! Not wanting to blow my own trumpet on here or anything (although I’m about to do so), but I have actually suggested as much on here several times. Why else would so many of their Pet Projects just “happen” to be ones which severely affect the pub and club industry? True, there are other industries negatively affected, too, but none as much as the licensed trade. And why would they have specifically included, in the Health Act which swept the smoking ban in, the proviso that the Secretary of State can make exceptions to allow smoking in “normally” banned places anywhere he/she wants, with the exception of licensed premises, where any amendment has to be voted on by Parliament itself? The zealots who started the whole anti-smoking ball rolling may not have had pubs in their sights any more than anywhere else when they started lobbying for a ban, but I don’t doubt for a second that our despised, increasingly-paranoid, self-interested politicians saw it as an incredibly useful tool for getting rid of some potentially very threatening meeting-places. To now be targeting the remaining pub customers by lowering the drink-drive limit (which, like many other people, I believe will happen in the blink of an eye the moment the Scottish lowered limit is declared to be an “unrivalled success” – as it inevitably will be – along with the requisite number of appropriate statistics: lives saved, money saved, public support etc) would, to use the hideous wording of control-freak groups of all descriptions, be the Next Logical Step in the “project” to do away with traditional, real pubs altogether.

    No doubt that hopeless All-Party Parliamentary Save the Pub Group supposedly devoted to stopping the continuing collapse of the pub industry will welcome such a move with open arms, citing it as “unlikely to damage the pub industry in any major way,” just like they’ve consistently avoided any mention of the smoking ban as the catalyst that started the collapse in the first place.

    Glad you’ve come round to my way of thinking, Frank ….. ;)

    • Frank Davis says:

      Glad you’ve come round to my way of thinking, Frank ….. ;)

      Well I always pay close attention to you, Jax, as I’m sure you know. But if they’re trying to destroy the hospitality industry, then they’re trying to collapse the economy. Because that’s what the result of preventing people buying what they want will be. I already think (see the ISIS survey) that the smoking ban knocked something like 10% off UK demand, as smokers stayed home and stopped spending. Tightening drink-driving limits is going to do the same. And so will all the other restrictions being gradually introduced.

      Do they really want to collapse the UK economy? The only people I know who want to do that are the deep Greens. Not long ago George Monbiot in the Guardian said that what the world now needed was a global recession/depression to reduce consumption and greenhouse gas emissions. And now he’s got what he wanted. But I usually regard Greens as a fringe minority. Or have I got it wrong, and Cameron and Clegg and all the rest are just as green as Monbiot? Perhaps they are? I generally don’t think they are.

      But now that Pope Francis has climbed on the Global Warming bandwagon, I wonder who isn’t.

  2. jaxthefirst says:

    “Well I always pay close attention to you, Jax, as I’m sure you know”

    Very kind of you to say so, Frank! Especially when most of it is off-the-wall ranting with not a jot of coherence within it!

    But, yes, like you, I sometimes think that our current crop of politicians do want to blow the economy clean out of the water. Or maybe they don’t actively want to, but because they are incompetent fools who choose to listen to the poisonous, misleading whisperings of extremist single-issue pressure groups rather than looking around them at what actually happens in the world and then making their own minds up using plain old common-sense, they simply don’t understand how “the economy” actually works in reality. Which is why they keep making decision after decision which is ruinous to the economy.

    It isn’t even just the smoking ban – it’s everything. Nothing that any Government has done in the last 20-30 years that I can think of has had a single beneficial effect on the economy nor thus, either (with the exception of a few “favoured” groups), on the population as a whole. None of them seem to have the foggiest how to run a household budget, let alone the economy of an entire country. Labour just wants to borrow loads of money from overseas so that they can give it away to anyone with a decent enough sob-story or to any public service which can convince it that it’s going to help the “right” people (even if they then fail roundly to do so, time and time again). The Tories, traditionally the party with its eye on business interests and with an understanding about how money gets made, seems have lost touch completely with what businesses need in order to survive and the only way they can see now to balance the books is to cut public services to the bone where they are most needed, whilst maintaining fund-giving for vanity projects and bailing out their big-business chums. For as long as I can remember, politicians have wittered on about “cuts” to public expenditure (now known as “austerity measures”), but none of these cuts ever seems to result in greater efficiency or better services. Also, as long as I can remember, parties of all shades have cited themselves as being “small-business friendly” and yet small businesses are the ones suffering more than any others under the weight of all the rules, regulations, and taxations that each and every Government has heaped upon them or, in the case of the present Government, refused to lift or change.

    Maybe they’re all just airy-fairy idealists – Labour living in their little dream-world that if you throw enough public money at something everything will turn out rosy; the Tories living in their little dream-world that the world of private enterprise is so perfectly wonderful that it can cope with anything that life (or they) throw at them, and that customers will still keep magically walking through the doors and spending money, and that more and more privatisation is the answer to everything. Neither of which is right, but both of which positions our rose-tinted spectacle-wearing politicians refuse to budge from.

    There you go, see – another rant!

    • Frank Davis says:

      most of it is off-the-wall ranting

      But it’s always very, very well-written off-the-wall ranting. Which has the effect of making it neither “off-the-wall” nor “ranting”.

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    Looks like the americans took notice

    New National Program in Britain: Requires Doctors to Report Patients Who Put on Weight [Read]

    You may want to think again before scarfing down that Big Mac, if you live in the UK. In an attempt to combat obesity, doctors are now being required to report people who gain weight. That’s right, Big Brother now knows if you choose a hot dog over a salad. Makes you feel protected, doesn’t it?

    From The Telegraph:

    GPs will be asked to identify patients who are putting on weight under a new national programme to help fight obesity.

    Simon Stevens, the head of the NHS, said it was time for Britain to “get back in shape” in order to protect millions of people from a host of obesity-related diseases.

    Under the scheme, family doctors will be asked to identify anyone who has gained weight and is at risk of diabetes – particularly those aged below 40.

    They will then be offered tests for pre-diabetes, followed by healthy lifestyle advice and close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more.

    It comes as new figures show Britain is now the second fattest nation in Europe, with almost 25 per cent of Britons classified as obese – compared with a European average of 16.7 per cent.

    Mr Stevens, the chief executive of the health service, said obesity was a problem that could be tackled – provided schools, parents, the NHS and the food industry all ‘got their act together’ and worked in unison.

    In a direct attack on last week’s EU ruling – which said fatness could constitute a disability – Mr Stevens said such fatalistic attitudes to the issue were “daft”.

    Instead, he urged millions of people to put Christmas indulgences behind them, and take action to shed the pounds.

    “The ghost of Christmases past reminds us that 20 years ago we didn’t have these problems as a nation,” Mr Stevens said.

    “The ghost of Christmases future tells us that if we get our act together – as the NHS, as parents, as schools, the food industry – we can get back in shape.”

    He called on individuals to take concerted action and suggested attitudes needed to change to prevent the country sleepwalking into the worst public health emergency in at least three decades.

    “Rather than recent daft judgments by the European court practically pretending that obesity is inevitable, in England in 2015 we’re going to start proving that it isn’t,” he added.

    The new figures – comparing 26 EU countries – show that in Europe, only Hungary now has higher obesity levels than Britain.

    In total 24.7 per cent of Britons are now obese, compared with a European average of 16.7 per cent, the figures from the Organisation for Economics and Co-operation disclose.

    Six EU countries now have obesity levels less than half those in the UK, the figures show. Italy, Bulgaria, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Austria all have obesity levels of less than 13 per cent, with the lowest rates in Romania, at 7.9 per cent.

    In the EU, only Hungary has higher rates of adult obesity than the UK, at 28.5 per cent.

    Mr Stevens promised to introduce the first ever national programme to target millions of people at risk of diabetes, because their weight is creeping up.

    Well that’s not intrusive or anything. But I suppose when the general population is paying for your healthcare, this is the kind of crap you get. Ahhh, the wonder of socialized healthcare. You hear that, liberals? This is what could happen in America thanks to Obamacare. I hope you like eating tofu and twigs.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    The National Transportation Safety Board issued a recommendation to lower the blood alcohol level at which a person would considered drunk from .08 to .05.
    •This is about one drink for a 120-pound woman and two for a 160-pound man.
    •Many other countries have already set .05 as the legal limit.
    •Some think considering how difficult it was to set the limit at .08 among states that .05 won’t be an easy target.

    We all already know RWJF is behind practically all of it………..

    Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: Financier of Temperance

    Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: Financier of … D. Behind the Neo-Prohibition Campaign: The Robert Wood Johnson … The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Neo …

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Framework for alcohol policy in the WHO European Region
    Long read but its basically the FCTC all over again only on alcohol this time…………

    European Charter on Alcohol: fi ve ethical principles and goals
    1. All people have the right to a family, community and working life protected from accidents, violence and other negative consequences of alcohol consumption.
    2. All people have the right to valid impartial information and education, starting early in life, on the consequences of alcohol consumption on health, the family and society.
    3. All children and adolescents have the right to grow up in an environment protected from the negative consequences of alcohol consumption and, to the extent possible, from the promotion of alcoholic beverages.
    4. All people with hazardous or harmful alcohol consumption and members of their families have the right to accessible treatment and care.
    5. All people who do not wish to consume alcohol, or who cannot do so for health or other reasons, have the right to be safeguarded from pressures to drink and be supported in their non-drinking behaviour.

    Need for a framework in the Region
    The WHO European Region is the region with the highest alcohol intake in the world and a per capita consumption twice as high as the world average. In 2002, alcohol was the third most important of 26 risk factors for burden of disease assessed in the Region, only surpassed by hypertension and tobacco, and the leading risk factor among young people. The disease burden from alcohol in the Region is also twice as high as the world average. The health and social problems for those around the drinker are at least as important as the problems for the drinker himself or herself. The impact of the harmful use of alcohol on others besides the drinker is a very strong argument for taking effective action to reduce the burden of alcohol problems. In 1992, the Regional Offi ce for Europe was the fi rst WHO regional offi ce to take the initiative of launching a Region-wide action plan on alcohol. The Offi ce has played a substantial role over the past 20 years as a catalyst and facilitator of policy formulation and of health and welfare advocacy on alcohol-related issues in Member States. Two consecutive regional action plans (1992–1999 and 2000–2005) (1,2) and two ministerial conferences, resulting in the European Charter on Alcohol in 1995 (3) (Annex 1) and the Declaration on Young People and Alcohol in 2001 (4) have all offered paths for the development and implementation of effective measures in Member States and therefore contributed to overall health policy in the Region. Recent years have brought increased information on the size and nature of problems related to alcohol, and an increased understanding of which measures are effective and cost-effective1 in reducing the burden of problems. Meanwhile, trade agreements, common markets and increased globalization have increased the diffi culty of maintaining effective alcohol policies at the national level. There is thus a need for concerted action at regional level. Strong expectations exist that WHO and other international and intergovernmental organizations will take effective initiatives to prevent or reduce alcohol-related problems. A
    1 For an overview of such measures, see What are the most effective and cost-effective interventions in alcohol control? (5).

    enewal and strengthening of national and region-wide efforts is an opportunity to respond to the size of the problem and to put into practice the new knowledge available on effective strategies. A new phase of alcohol policy in the Region, initiated and led by the WHO Regional Offi ce, is a timely response (see WHO Regional Committee for Europe resolution EUR/RC55/R1 on framework for alcohol policy in the WHO European Region, Annex 2). It should encourage and facilitate the development and implementation of global, regional, national and local community policies and actions to prevent or reduce the harm caused by alcohol.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    The bastards are into everything food supplies also and their trying to control its trade

    Framing international trade and chronic disease

    There is an emerging evidence base that global trade is linked with the rise of chronic disease in many low and middle-income countries (LMICs). This linkage is associated, in part, with the global diffusion of unhealthy lifestyles and health damaging products posing a particular challenge to countries still facing high burdens of communicable disease. We developed a generic framework which depicts the determinants and pathways connecting global trade with chronic disease. We then applied this framework to three key risk factors for chronic disease: unhealthy diets, alcohol, and tobacco. This led to specific ‘product pathways’, which can be further refined and used by health policy-makers to engage with their country’s trade policy-makers around health impacts of ongoing trade treaty negotiations, and by researchers to continue refining an evidence base on how global trade is affecting patterns of chronic disease. The prevention and treatment of chronic diseases is now rising on global policy agendas, highlighted by the UN Summit on Noncommunicable Diseases (September 2011). Briefs and declarations leading up to this Summit reference the role of globalization and trade in the spread of risk factors for these diseases, but emphasis is placed on interventions to change health behaviours and on voluntary corporate responsibility. The findings summarized in this article imply the need for a more concerted approach to regulate trade-related risk factors and thus more engagement between health and trade policy sectors within and between nations. An explicit recognition of the role of trade policies in the spread of noncommunicable disease risk factors should be a minimum outcome of the September 2011 Summit, with a commitment to ensure that future trade treaties do not increase such risks.

    Much more at the link.

  7. harleyrider1978 says:

    If we haven’t all figured it out by now its the UNITED NATIONS and those controlling it who are the worlds enemies and every human beings on this earth. Theyre in high mode takeover on it appears everything. Smoking that was just a test run…………

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Eat, drink and be merry? Sure – unless the health puritans have their way

      THE arrival of the Christmas season is always anticipated with relish by the public health lobby.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        The great US journalist HL Mencken once defined puritanism as “the haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy”.

        That is a perfect description of today’s public health crusaders, who see dangerous self-indulgence and risky behaviour at every turn.

        The hectoring zealots have been out in force in recent days with their usual demands for bans and crackdowns.

        Over the weekend Dr Cliff Mann, president of the College of Emergency Medicine, called on the police to mount a robust campaign against the drunk and disorderly through the threat of mass arrests and heavy fines.

        Such vigorous action is needed in the run-up to the New Year, declared Dr Mann, in order to tackle Britain’s worsening problem of the “gratuitous consumption” of alcohol.

        Backing this demand Dr Mark Porter, leader of the BMA, even called for a total ban on alcohol advertising.

        The same sanctimonious attitude was on display yesterday in an open letter from more than 3,700 health professionals to the Prime Minister, in which they expressed outrage at the Government’s slowness over the introduction of plain packaging for cigarettes.

  8. junican says:

    Just a quick comment because it is late and I must to bed.
    There are things which logically belong to Big Government, even though that Government is a monopoly. The need for and layout of roads is a good example. It is inconceivable that private enterprise alone could decide those matters since the result would be chaotic. Roads would appear and disappear in the same way that ants change their patterns of trails depending upon average journey directions. But, of course, such a road provision methodology would be silly even to contemplate. The same applies to the rail network. Rail services might be private enterprise, but the rail network is properly nationally owned. I base my contention on the fact that THE PEOPLE as a whole own the land (via the Monarchy). Needless to say, we are talking about ‘whole nation’ structures, and not local structures, for example, airports.
    Another good example is the water piping system. The water supply ‘conduits’ are far too important to be in private enterprise control.
    The same could be said about certain aspects of national finances, but in the opposite way. There, there is a secret monopoly, Government controlled, which can be used by charlatans to enrich themselves by stealing a few pence in the pound from every single one of us without anyone being aware of it, apart from the monopolists in Government.
    MPs are supposedly elected to scrutinise, but they have failed in that duty and become ‘the scrutinised’.
    That is a woeful fact.

    • Frank Davis says:

      The need for and layout of roads is a good example. It is inconceivable that private enterprise alone could decide those matters since the result would be chaotic.

      But a great many roads in Britain were privately built (just like Harley’s Kentucky roads). They were called turnpikes, and you had to pay to use them. The railways were also privately owned up until their nationalisation circa 1945.

      Reminds me of an old poem (from memory):

      Before the Romans came to Rye, or down to Severn strode,
      The rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road.
      A reeling road, a rolling road, that rambled round the shire,
      And after him the parson came, the sexton and the squire.

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    It is inconceivable that private enterprise alone could decide those matters since the result would be chaotic

    Cousin literally the whole state of kentuckys roads were built by corporations of the people with private funds under charters granted by the state to build roads/hiways with a 30 or 40 year toll collecting agreement to get back the orginal investment but also interest on the investments. After that they were to be turned over to the state and th toll booths taken down. The state eventually gave the roads over to the Fedeal government and connected them to the interstate system and the upkeep costs.

    Even the original NATIONAL ROAD th first one ever built in America was charted by the US GOVERNMNT but paid for with private investment and tolls were charged about every 20 -30 miles of it and it was nearly 300 feet wide for oxen teams pulling wagons to the ohio valley.
    Even today many bridges get built by private money and tolls collected one up by Owensboro ky right now going to my aunts house in Indiana.

    The last toll booths in ky for hi-ways were removed back in 2004-5 on the Daniel boone parkway.

    Even today bridges are being built by private money but only for a short time like 30 years and then its handed over to the government. But that doesn’t mean private enterprise couldn’t keep it up and maintained its just paying tolls at every exit ramp or on ramp isn’t exactly good for mass transit. But if private business was in charge of it,it sure wouldnt cost half as much as whats lost thru the govmnts so called contract bid system…………….

    You see on a private road the state doesn’t have any jurisdiction unless otherwise consigned.
    Or called in for an accident meaning no speedtraps or other such stupid law enforcement and toll road collectors can simply call police if a drunk or other problem is run into.

    Even New York ON I 95 collected tolls back in the 1970s and 80s that I remember oh so well.

    But the answer is simple private business can likely do a more efficient job and less costly than any government ever could. The profit motive just has to be observed for it to work. Instead greedy govmnt contractors get the jobs that just never ever end and the costs for these lifetime road projects they keep coming up with are a never ending cost to the taxpayers. Lord how they screw things up.

  10. Rose says:

    I’ve been waiting for Taking Liberties to reveal the details of a embargoed new attack on smokers

    The latest seems to be that smoking rots you from the inside and tobacco pouches are full of sticky toffee which makes the cigarettes very hard to roll and covers your fingers in blood.
    But that was at 5.00 am, so I may have been dreaming

  11. waltc says:

    Picking up from Jax’s opening post…there’s a case to be made ( not sure I want to make it but not sure that I don’t ) that since pub culture is a threat to The Controllers’ control, they’re happy to see the end of it, happy to have people stay home to drink and smoke in front of the tv which regularly blats out the Big Brother news and there’s no one else to turn to to wonder out loud “Is that bullshit or what?” And less chance to realize that you’re really not alone, in fact far from alone, in thinking it is.

    All the Controllers care about is power , the power to shape the world, their power to shape it ; and they don’t give a damn about the economy, from which they themselves are likely immune, what with tenure at Harvard or a government post as undersecretary to the deputy undersecretary of Shaping The World. If they cared about the economy would they push windmills and fight pipelines? Would they detest capitalism? screech against consumption? One might even go on to postulate that the more people are down-and-out and dependent on government for their survival, the more malleable, or maybe coercible, they are. Bans on home smoking begin in state run housing projects . Food stamps can’t be used to buy incorrect sodas. Experiments in total control.

    • Frank Davis says:

      All the Controllers care about is power , the power to shape the world, their power to shape it

      It certainly looks like that. But how come I seem to have missed out on being power mad in the same way? Because I don’t want to control everything or everyone. Quite the opposite: I want to let things happen of their own accord.

      Because 99.9999% of things do just happen. One of the things I like about the solar system in which we live is that it’s Completely Out Of Control. We live on a spinning rock going round a star, along with a whole bunch of other spinning rocks, and the whole system is completely out of control, and always will be. The only thing we can do is try and predict what will happen, and act accordingly.

      Maybe the control freaks are people who have never come to terms with this reality? They never learned how to go with the flow.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        They are creating an UNnatural world for human existence.One devoid of the freedoms Locke and many others wrote of. Coexistence is meeting the natural needs of us all at the individual level and from that build a social order that when left alone seems to work out quite well for all. Theres always those who get left behind by some means or another. But as we have seen in America the great experiment,generational welfare solves nothing but creates dependence upon a government that quite simply cant afford it but for short durations of time.

        Creating the work ethic in everyone should be the goal not the sin.

      • Edgar says:

        Those who have learned to bend with the wind need not fear the coming storm.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          60 years of storms washed away the land we were on…………..The trees were uprooted long long ago by the storm. If your a conformist to a new world order,your definitely in the wrong place.

  12. Rose says:

    My mistake, the cigarette in the new advert is hard to roll because he’s using rotting flesh.

    Quit smoking campaign targets roll-up cigarettes

    “One PHE advert shows a father taking two children to a playground before sitting down to roll himself a cigarette – using rotting flesh rather than rolling tobacco.”

    This is all getting very Dr Who, I liked the series turning everyday objects into life threatening monsters like wheelie bins that came alive and ate you or Christmas trees that suddenly started spinning and tried to smash you to death, the one where using a hands-free mobile phone suddenly turned you into a cyberman was especially memorable.

    Government goes for ‘Pavlovian disgust’ with £2.4m anti-smoking campaign

    “It has unveiled a hard-hitting £.4m marketing campaign, created by Dare, to highlight how smoking damages the body and causes a slow and steady decline in a process akin to rotting.

    The work, running across TV, outdoor and digital from today (29 December), is about triggering “Pavlovian disgust”, according to PHE marketing director Sheila Mitchell. It is a theme the Government has deployed in recent years – and some of the creative has run before – but Mitchell insisted the idea had not suffered from “wear-out”.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      That may well be the last advert you see on the subject……………they’ve reached the point of bloody Insanity and that Insanity hasn’t gone unnoticed.

  13. Barry Homan says:

    Gripe time. I link to all the daily links. Why why WHY when I look at the letters and comments – out of a world population of 7 billion – is there only ONE guy making a real effort of protest?

    Harley, I’ve just appointed you to president of the world. You start Monday next week, bring a lunch.

  14. Rose says:

    It has unveiled a hard-hitting £.4m marketing campaign, created by Dare

    It seems that they were responsible for last year’s Christmas Special too

    Government unveils ‘disgusting dirty blood’ anti-smoking ad

    “Breaking tomorrow (30 December), this latest campaign which is created by Dare, brings to life the “toxic cycle of dirty blood” caused by inhaling the dangerous chemicals found in cigarettes, such as arsenic and cyanide. The TV drive shows how these flow through the body and damage the heart, lungs and cells in the brain after a man takes a drag on a cigarette.

    It will be supported by outdoor, including a takeover at one of the walkways at London Bridge Tube station, plus new collateral in pharmacies.

    ‘Mutations’, which broke at the same time last year, featured a tumour growing on a cigarette and racked up more than two million YouTube views. The ad, which was also created by Dare, achieved 92% awareness among the public, the highest ever for an anti-smoking spot.”

    I thought at the time that one was very reminiscent of Doctor Who – Brain of Morbius

    The Brain of Morbius
    http: //

    You can see the brain in the glass jar.

    Government Social Engineering

    Procurement accused of ‘rupturing’ Whitehall marketing departments

    “The Government Procurement Service (GPS) has allegedly created ‘ruptures’ within Whitehall’s marketing departments over the creation of the government’s advertising roster.

    Concerns have been expressed by agencies over the handling of the process that industry sources claim was led by a procurement team that knew ‘literally nothing’ about advertising.

    It is understood government marketers were involved in the early stages of the process, but the final decisions were made by the GPS.

    Agencies that were appointed to the roster were notified last week with a number of long-standing government agencies missing the cut.

    Notable exceptions include Mother, the agency behind the GREAT and Frank campaigns, Leo Burnett, which creates the Think drink driving work, and Dare, which scooped the anti-smoking account in September.”

    “A source said there has been ‘a lot of arguments and shouting’ between the government procurement team and marketers when the GPS revealed the agencies it had chosen for inclusion on the roster.

    The ‘ruptures’ allegedly resulted in some agencies making it back on the roster to ‘keep the peace’.

    An agency executive claims the GPS may have managed to ‘save a few quid’ but question whether the new roster is best placed to help ‘save the lives they need to save, get people to reduce their weight and stop smoking’.”

    Mother – Talk to Frank


    “Dreamed up by ad agency Mother, Frank was, in fact, the new name for the National Drugs Helpline.

    It was meant to be a trusted “older brother” figure that young people could turn to for advice about illicit substances.

    Everything from the adventures of Pablo the canine drugs mule to a tour round a brain warehouse has been presented under the Frank label, making it a familiar brand name among the nation’s youth.

    Crucially, Frank was never seen in the flesh, so could never be the target of mockery for wearing the wrong trainers or trying to be “down with the kids,” says Justin Tindall, creative director of ad agency Leo Burnett.”

    “There is also no indication that Frank is an agent of the government – something that makes it rare in the annals of government-funded campaigns.”
    http: //

    Though I do have to say that stooping to images of rotting flesh is a new low. Not that you can tell from the ad, it looks more like a vein.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Miss Rose Ive found in life the last people to call is anyone but ones own inner strength to overcome even drug addictions. Unruly children even with mental short commings of behavioral problems when parents use to do the right thing and try to seek help for their loved ones and keep peace in the home. Been there done that. I wont go into detail but to say what I discovered is a world doomed by the process,doomed by existence and doomed by witch hunt mentalities toward the innocent Parent.

      Because of the laws and well all of it. If you want your family to survive as a family unit you never should call or even try for mental health services or even family services.

      You will be the victim. Your children gone and you holding a likely spot in a nice jail cell.

      Im the type who when my children are ever threatened would hunt down and bring them home. God forbid those who got in the way.

      Its a fathers right to protect his family and to decide discipline within reason and always with restraint.

      Ive hunted men and runaway wives crazed in their heads from chemical imbalance,Iv seen the so called system at work and how it literally poisons the minds of women against men.

      I even had the work books to prove my point a few years ago saving them as evidence if ever needed. But finally the bans came and I saw it all unfold from a formerly caring government meant on aiding, turn into a fanatical witch hunt against the law abiding who would do anything to get help for those he loved as anyone of us would. Only to find the system is poisoned against the lawful and instead filled with the unlawful.

      Theres plenty of us left who will fight to restore proper order and bring back a government where it helps but doesn’t condemn the innocent. Im not good at the pro’s or university trained writer,but what I feel in my heart and what we all know and see must be destroyed and a return to civil society made.

      My lifes story of ups and downs is no more or less than anyone elses in life.

      We all want the sanity back in a world gone MADD.

  15. harleyrider1978 says:

    Soft councils are letting Sydney’s beach smokers puff free by not enforcing ban legislation

    The Daily Telegraph

    Despite having the power to hit smokers with $110 fines, council rangers patrolling beaches including Manly, Bondi and Coogee have been told by …

  16. harleyrider1978 says:

    Snitch on Your Neighbor

    The federal government got really brave in the first few months after the attacks of September 11, 2001, especially since the general public was “alarmed, and hence clamoring to be led to safety.” (Interesting phrase. Look it up.) In that atmosphere, the public gladly danced on a lot of slippery slopes that it would have otherwise avoided. For example, the very sudden appearance and congressional approval of the so-called Patriot Act.

    More recently, however, the White House hasn’t been concerned about packs of homicidal Muslims at the major airports. No, the real danger now is the possibility that the teeming masses won’t cooperate quietly as socialized medicine is foisted upon them. That’s what the increasingly rowdy “town hall” meetings are all about.

    The latest version of “Snitch on Your Neighbor” has to do with the White House soliciting tips from the public about people who dare to disagree with the President’s mad rush toward socialism.

    Related pages:
    “Truth Teams”
    Domestic surveillance

    General commentary on government solicitation of informants:

    The DHS And FBI Present: You Might Be A Terrorist If… As we seem to be told repeatedly, seeing something and saying something is perhaps the greatest duty an American citizen can perform in service to this country. It’s simply not enough anymore to install an American flag in the front yard and purchase domestic vehicles. Now, every citizen should be keeping his eye out for (and on) his fellow citizens. The price of freedom may be eternal vigilance, but the price of security is endless paranoia

    Follow the link to Americas Nazi Germany in todays world.

  17. harleyrider1978 says:

    OMG! The cops and secret service will do in Obama over this one eve

    BANNED: Obama to Save You From Evil Donut Sprinkles!

    BANNED: Obama to Save You From Evil Donut Sprinkles, FDA, Freedom, Government, Government Corruption, Liberals, Liberty, President, Progressives, Regulation, Obama

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Bootleg cigarettes, Prohibition and the death of Eric Garner

      by Walter Olson on December 6, 2014

      Eric Garner, asphyxiated during his arrest on Staten Island, had been repeatedly picked up by the NYPD for the crime of selling loose cigarettes. Washington Examiner:

      The crime of selling “loosies” was not considered a serious one in the past. Many corner stores in New York City once sold them quietly upon request. But former Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s cartoonish anti-tobacco crusade changed that and everything else. Smoking in public places was banned. Punitive taxes and a legal minimum price of $10.50 were imposed in an effort to push prices ever-upward, so that a brand-name pack of 20 cigarettes now costs as much as $14 in New York City.

      As a result, the illicit sale of loose and untaxed cigarettes became more commonplace.

      I noted at yesterday’s Repeal Day panel at Cato that according to figures last year, New York’s unusually high cigarette taxes had brought it an unusual distinction: an estimated 60 percent of consumption there is of smuggled or illegal cigarettes, much higher than any other state. Another way to think of it is that New York has moved closer to prohibition than to a legal market in tobacco. [earlier 2003 Cato study]

      In his history of Prohibition, Last Call, Daniel Okrent cites (among many other law enforcement misadventures) the fatal shooting of Jacob Hanson, secretary of an Elks lodge in Niagara Falls, New York, in a confrontation with alcohol agents — though Hanson had a clean record and was not carrying alcohol. At the time, many saw Hanson’s death as reflecting poorly on the Prohibition regime generally. For some reason, though, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has drawn fire from some quarters for making a parallel observation about Garner’s death. [BBC; note however that while Garner’s frictions with the local NYPD seem to owe much to his repeated cigarette arrests, the proximate event leading to his arrest seems to have been his attempt to break up a fight]

      Yale’s Stephen Carter: “On the opening day of law school, I always counsel my first-year students never to support a law they are not willing to kill to enforce.” [Bloomberg View via Ilya Somin]

  18. Rose says:

    Roll-ups are just as harmful as manufactured cigarettes

    “Professor Dame Sally Davies, the Chief Medical Officer, said: “Significant numbers of smokers are now using roll-ups without realising that gram for gram of tobacco they are just as unsafe as ordinary cigarettes.”

    So what was all this about then?

    Tobacco companies engineer high addiction cigarettes with additives
    Wednesday 14 July 1999

    “Dr Martin Jarvis of Imperial Cancer Research Fund and a co-author of the report said: “Outside the tobacco industry,no-one knows which additives are used in which brands. The tobacco companies’ excuse for using additives is that they make low tar cigarettes easier to smoke.

    We know that low tar cigarettes are just as bad for you as regular cigarettes, so using additives can not be justified. As some additives can make cigarettes more addictive, tobacco companies are making it even harder for those smokers wanting to quit, to succeed.”

    Clive Bates, co-author of the reportand Director of ASH, said: “We have uncovered a scandal in which tobacco companies deliberately use additives to make their bad products even worse.”

    BAT replies

    ASH’s Recent Criticisms

    224. Despite the safeguards which have long been in place, and which have appeared satisfactory to independent experts (ISCSH, Fourth Report, paragraph 83, 1988), serious allegations have been made by ASH and others that manufacturers add ingredients to cigarettes with the intention of increasing their supposed “addictive” properties and to make them more attractive to children (ASH, Bates C, Jarvis M, Connolly G, “Tobacco Additives: Cigarette Engineering and Nicotine Addiction” ( 1999)).

    225. These allegations are irresponsible and unsupportable, and British American Tobacco welcomes this opportunity to correct the record. For reasons of length, it is not possible, in this memorandum, to deal with every misstatement made by ASH, but we intend to address two of the most egregious.

    226. British American Tobacco does not use additives to increase the pharmacological effects of nicotine, and does not use additives for the purpose of making cigarettes more palatable to children.

    227. The first allegation appears to be based on the supposed effects of the following additives: ammonia (and ammonium compounds); acetaldehyde; levulinic acid; cocoa (and theobromine); glycyrrhizin (from liquorice); and pyridine. We deal with these allegations briefly below. Detailed scientific presentations are currently being made to the Department of Health on these specific additives, along with other matters.”
    http: //

    “Public health officials found that male smokers using hand-rolled cigarettes had more than doubled from 18 per cent in 1990 to 40 per cent in 2013.”

    Because people believed ASH about the additives?

    Still, it was slightly more believable than rotting meat.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      In America hand rolled cigs went up for one simple reason a 2400% price rise in roll your own cig tobacco. The click was pipe tobacco was left alone so tobacco manufacturers cut the leaf to the width of pipe tobacco and bam a carton offhand rolled smokes came down to about 8 dollars or so.

    • smokingscot says:

      @ Rose

      You may recall our wee exchange a while back about women in Saudi being warned not to drive vehicles on account certain parts of their anatomy may cease to work properly.

      (Seems everything works magnificently if they’re passengers, so it has to be the act of putting the vehicle in drive and of course the enormous strain placed on their reproductive organs by turning the steering wheel, that’s always power assisted in Saudi. I’m sure that somewhere within the Kingdom, there will be a study that’s been peer reviewed to confirm this as an absolute fact).

      I know a whole stack of them defied the ban on that day, so thought I’d follow up, partly because I think it’s utter BS and partly because we’re heading the same way with regards to the ban on smoking in cars where “children” (“children” defined as those under the age of 18 – as, like magic, on their 18th birthday they can meander round to their local corner shop and buy tobacco themselves) are present.

      Anyway they’ve chosen to make an example of a couple of them. Not because they dared to defy the ban (if they did that the courts would be tied up for years), rather because they said naughty things online about the authorities.

      The authorities, being rather full of themselves, have taken a real exception to this, so to deter any ambiguity about who runs the show in Saudi, the pair of them shall be tried in a court that deals in terrorism!!

      “Two Saudi women detained for nearly a month in defiance of a ban to keep females from driving were referred on Thursday to a court established to try terrorism cases, several people close to the defendants said.

      Activists said it marks the first time that women drivers have been referred to the Specialized Criminal Court in Riyadh, and that their detention is the longest of female drivers in Saudi history.

      Those close to Loujain al-Hathloul, 25, and Maysa al-Amoudi, 33, said the women are not being charged for defying the driving ban but for opinions they voiced online. They declined to elaborate on the specific charges due to the sensitivity of the case. All spoke anonymously for fear of government reprisal.”

      Seems they’re not especially well connected within Saudi society (otherwise they’d never have been arrested) and bog useless at taking the most basic precautions about remaining anonymous.

  19. magnetic01 says:

    Wise words from the link:

    The medical profession should concentrate on its real job of healing the sick and cease this control freakery dressed up as public concern.

  20. harleyrider1978 says:

    Brownies are ‘dangerous’ and should be regulated like alcohol and tobacco??

    That’s what an op-ed in the New York Times says. The “sugar is toxic” scare is junk science-fueled….

    Brownies are ‘dangerous’ and should be regulated like alcohol and tobacco?

    Posted on December 23, 2014 by | 13 Comments

    That’s what an op-ed in the New York Times says.

    The “sugar is toxic” scare is junk science-fueled. Every “study” claiming sugar is toxic can be easily dismantled dues to its poor quality/cherry-picked data and statistical malpractice.

    The op-ed authors’ “study,” claimed to be dispositive on the subject, is not a scientific study at all. At best it can be described as a biased literature review.

    Despite wild claims to the contrary, there is no evidence that moderate sugar consumption adversely affects healthy people. Sugar consumption does not cause disease.

    It is unfortunate that hacks and quacks prey upon our the general public’s fears and ignorance to boost their twisted personal agendas.

    Click for the NYTimes op-ed.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      terrible ting about sugar its easily turned into ALCOHOL………..Or as we call it here in Kentucky SUGARHEAD WHISKEY or Mulekick. Because ot leaves your head the next day feeling like a mule kicked you in the head.

      • smokingscot says:

        @ Harley

        Doing an end of year wrap up. Question for you.

        What was the outcome on that case where the country singer was killed in Nashville for smoking in a bar?

        Did he get convicted and, if so, how long’s the term?

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          The case is still pending but its appearing to be a he said she said deal and may well end in a self defense shooting unfortunately. If the withnesses hadn’t walked outdoors itd be a different case. But from what I understand the bullet hole was at the back of the head as in he was walking away………hense the police challenging the shooters claims.

  21. smokingscot says:

    @ Frank

    (As with Harley).

    That satellite landed on asteroid. Bounced, landed in shade.

    Has it been able to do anything? Collect data? Send photos?

  22. harleyrider1978 says:

    Julius B Carey · Follow · Top Commenter · Brevard Community College

    For all you butt hurt stink stick puffers HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE fact that tobacco stinks??? That lighter blowing up was “divine justice.”

    Reply · Like

    · 2 · Follow Post · 17 hours ago

    I think this one would have made Mikes Book on comments section………

  23. pubcurmudgeon says:

    Thanks for the mention ;-)

  24. Don’t get smug. The “ZERO %” limit is back on the E.U tabel!

    They were talking about it on one of our propoganda cha…. sorry “news” channels last week.

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