I feel sorry for US prisoners (of whom I think there are rather a lot):
The Justice Department (DOJ) is banning smoking and all tobacco products in federal prisons, according to a final regulation to be published Monday.
All federal prison inmates will be prohibited from smoking, unless they receive a religious exemption. Staff will also still be able to smoke in designated areas. The government said they are moving forward with the regulation, which goes into effect in 30 days, out of concerns of the health of their inmates.
The rule will affect the estimated 80 percent of prison inmates that smoke.
There are religious exemptions? What religion?
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Philadelphia’s ban on smoking in public places is now seven years old and City Council finds itself in a quandary over whether to grant exemptions to four bars that want patrons to be able to light up.
City Council’s Public Health committee this past week debated whether to grant smoking ban waivers to one private club, two gentlemen’s clubs and one neighborhood taproom.
More on Eric Garner, but this time from the BBC:
For some, however, another party bears some responsibility in Garner’s death – an out-of-control nanny-state government attempting to enforce a prohibition on the sale of untaxed cigarettes.
“For someone to die over breaking that law, there really is no excuse for it,” Kentucky Senator Paul said on MSNBC Wednesday night. “But I do blame the politicians. We put our police in a difficult situation with bad laws.”
Reason magazine’s A Barton Hinkle explains how New York’s high state and city cigarette taxes – totalling $5.95 a pack – have created a thriving black market on the city’s streets.
“A pack of smokes in New York City costs $14 or more,” he writes. “That creates a powerful incentive to smuggle smokes in from states such as Virginia, where you can buy a pack for a third of that price. Fill a Ford Econoline van with a few hundred cartons, and you can make a nice five-figure profit in a weekend. Some people do.”…
“We have a poor guy who died because of a tax collection issue,” conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh said on his radio show.
Governments condemn cigarette use on one hand while relying on cigarette taxes to fund their operations, Mr Limbaugh and others contend.
“Garner died because he dared interfere with government reach and government muscle that didn’t want to lose tax revenue to independent operators,” Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass writes.
In Russia:
Government employees who fancy a cigarette or two while on duty will have to stay longer hours in the office, a local senior official in southern Russia announced. Working smokers will also be signed up for mandatory out of office activities more often.
Restrictions on tobacco smokers, working in regional administration in the Kuban area in southern Russia, have been introduced by the region’s head Viktor Kadykalo, who announced the new rules on his Twitter.
“The labor order establishes four 5-minute breaks, so total working hours will be prolonged for these 20 minutes,” the official said.
Oh, and…
(CNSNews.com) – Gary Harrington, the Oregon man convicted of collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his rural property surrendered Wednesday morning to begin serving his 30-day, jail sentence in Medford, Ore.
I think it’s that last story that makes me angriest.
But all these stories make me angry to some degree or other. And more determined to resist.
Just carrying on smoking is an act of resistance.
Frank Davis 
The prison ban is the most evil of them all. Wankers.
The DOJ is responsible for this meaning Eric Holder and heres a bit about him and the scam of bullchitting the people……….
The Vetting – Holder 1995: We Must ‘Brainwash’ People on Guns like we did on cigarettes
Breitbart.com has uncovered video from 1995 of then-U.S. Attorney Eric Holder announcing a public campaign to “really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.”
Holder was addressing the Woman’s National Democratic Club. In his remarks, broadcast by CSPAN 2, he explained that he intended to use anti-smoking campaigns as his model to “change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, DC” about guns.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breit…
“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”
Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation’s capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials “that make me buy things that I don’t really need.” He had also approached local newspapers and television stations, he said, asking them to devote prime space and time, respectively, to his anti-gun campaign.
Local political leaders and celebrities, Holder said, including Mayor Marion Barry and Jesse Jackson, had been asked to help. In addition, he reported, he had asked the local school board to make the anti-gun message a part of “every day, every school, and every level.”
Despite strict gun control efforts, Washington, DC was and remains one of the nation’s most dangerous cities for gun violence, though crime has abated somewhat since the 1990s.
Holder went on to become Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton administration, and currently serves as Attorney General in the Obama Administration.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G…
The video of Holder’s remarks was uncovered by Breitbart.com contributor Charles C. Johnson.
We’re probably at least fifty years ahead of you in the UK. For the last 20 or 30 years, it’s been a bit of a taboo to give children toy guns. I had been brainwashed into that way of thinking myself until I became deprogrammed. I remember the young children of friends being given toy guns in the early 1990s and thinking “how awful!”.
Stewart have you recently had your identity stolen and turned into a bleeding heart Nazi……….
I remember the young children of friends being given toy guns in the early 1990s and thinking “how awful!”.
Actually, I do remember reacting very briefly like this in the late 80s. VERY briefly; 1 second or so after a friend told me about someone giving their offspring toy guns. Then I did remember the happy childhood “cowboy & Indian” plays – and I taught all kids around me how to make a bow and how to make an arrow. My then friend took a long time to see that what I was teaching the kids to make was far more dangerous than a toy gun……
Social conditioning works! Kills all critical thoughts.
Knowing how to use a gun does not make you a dangerous person. Harley sure loves his gun(s) – yet (to my knowledge) is not serving life for murder, nor is he on a death row somewhere. My guess is that he knows when to use his gun (hunting/target shooting).
We all are becoming angry people. Perhaps that is what tobacco control wants.
Your Breitbart links are broken.
Its about 2 years old but it had one hell of a video on it with Holder going on like PLEASE BELIEVE ME!
The Fed Prison ban goes back to Hillarys fed building ban in 1994
. [PURPOSE AND SCOPE §551.160. To advance towards becoming a clean air environment and to protect the health and safety of staff and inmates, the Bureau of Prisons will restrict areas and circumstances where smoking is permitted within its institutions and offices.] The Agency recognizes the right to negotiate issues pertaining to this policy consistent with the Master Agreement, statute, case law, and/or regulation Medical and public health authorities have established the hazards of tobacco smoke. Of particular concern are the risks posed to nonsmokers by passive inhalation of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). The Surgeon General has long concluded that scientific research indicated that second-hand tobacco smoke is a cause of lung disease in otherwise healthy nonsmokers. On January 7, 1993, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) officially endorsed a report by an outside panel of scientific advisers to the agency, which stated that: “exposure to second-hand cigarette smoke causes lung cancer in adults and greatly increases the risk of respiratory illness in children.” The Bureau recognizes that when smokers quit smoking, they may face physical discomfort, weight gain, and stress related difficulties; however, these symptoms may be lessened with the appropriate interventions of a smoking cessation program. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, many people who quit smoking relapse.
[Bracketed Bold – Rules] Regular Type – Implementing Information
Click to access 1640_004.pdf
U.S. Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons “CORRECTED COPY 3/22/2004″
OPI: HSD/SAF NUMBER: P1640.04 DATE: 3/15/2004 SUBJECT: Smoking/No Smoking Areas Rules Effective: July 15, 2004
1. [PURPOSE AND SCOPE §551.160. To advance towards becoming a clean air environment and to protect the health and safety of staff and inmates, the Bureau of Prisons will restrict areas and circumstances where smoking is permitted within its institutions and offices.] The Agency recognizes the right to negotiate issues pertaining to this policy consistent with the Master Agreement, statute, case law, and/or regulation Medical and public health authorities have established the hazards of tobacco smoke. Of particular concern are the risks posed to nonsmokers by passive inhalation of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). The Surgeon General has long concluded that scientific research indicated that second-hand tobacco smoke is a cause of lung disease in otherwise healthy nonsmokers. On January 7, 1993, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) officially endorsed a report by an outside panel of scientific advisers to the agency, which stated that: “exposure to second-hand cigarette smoke causes lung cancer in adults and greatly increases the risk of respiratory illness in children.” The Bureau recognizes that when smokers quit smoking, they may face physical discomfort, weight gain, and stress related difficulties; however, these symptoms may be lessened with the appropriate interventions of a smoking cessation program. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, many people who quit smoking relapse.
[Bracketed Bold – Rules] Regular Type – Implementing Information
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Page 2
Effective smoking cessation programs should also provide counseling and monitoring to enhance success. 2. PROGRAM OBJECTIVES. The expected results of this program are: a. The designation of smoking areas may reduce exposure to second hand smoke. b. All Bureau facilities, with the exception of staff residences, will be regarded as free of second hand smoke except in perimeter patrol vehicles and towers when occupied by one person. c. Areas where smoking is permitted will be clearly identified. 3. DIRECTIVES AFFECTED a. Directive Rescinded P1640.03 Smoking/No Smoking Areas (7/1/94) b. Directives Referenced P4500.04 Trust Fund/Warehouse/Laundry Manual (12/15/95) P5270.07 Inmate Discipline and Special Housing Units (12/29/87) P5290.14 Admission and Orientation Program (4/3/03) P6000.05 Health Services Manual (9/15/96) Executive Order 13058, 62 FR 43451, August 9, 1997 Justice Property Management Regulations 128-20.105-3; 12820.105-50; 128-20.105-51; 128-20.105-52 Comptroller General Decision B-231453, Smoking Cessation Program for Federal Employees, February 3, 1989. Office of Personnel Management FPM Letter 792-20, Clarification of FPM Chapter 792, Federal Employees Health and Counseling Programs, May 17, 1989. c. Rules cited in the Program Statement are contained in 28 CFR 551.160 et seq.
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Page 3 d. Federal Service Impasses Panel Decision on Case Number 01 FSIP 184, Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons Washington, DC and Council of Prison Locals 33, AFGE, AFL-CIO, dated November 8, 2001. 4. STANDARDS REFERENCED a. American Correctional Association 3rd Edition Standards for Adult Correctional Institutions: 3-4202 (Mandatory); 3-4214; 3-4215; 3-4216; 3-4357; and 3-4363 b. American Correctional Association Standards for Adult Local Detention Facilities, 3rd Edition: 3-ALDF-3B-04 (Mandatory); 3-ALDF-3C-01; 3-ALDF-3C-02; 3-ALDF-3C-03; 3-ALDF-4E-33; and 3-ALDF-4E-28 c. American Correctional Association Standards for Adult Boot Camp Programs: 1-ABC-3B-05 (Mandatory); 1-ABC-3C-01; 1-ABC-3C-02; 1-ABC-4E-41; and 1-ABC-4E-45 d. Joint Commission On Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, 1998 Comprehensive Accreditation Manual For Ambulatory Care: EC.5 e. Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, 1998 Comprehensive Accreditation Manual for Hospitals: EC.5; EC5.1 5. [DEFINITIONS §551.161. For the purpose of this subpart,] a. [Smoking is defined as carrying or inhaling a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe, or other lighted tobacco products.] b. An area designated as free of second hand smoke is defined as one in which there are no lighted tobacco products (e.g. cigars, cigarettes, pipes). c. Designated area is defined as a smoking area which the Warden has clearly identified. 6. STAFF SMOKING/NO SMOKING AREAS a. This section (6.) applies equally to visitors, volunteers and contractors. b. The Warden must designate a smoking area for use in instances where smoking is to be part of an authorized religious activity.
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Page 4 ! Indoor Smoking. Indoor smoking shall be permitted only in perimeter towers and perimeter patrol vehicles when occupied by one person. ! Outdoor Smoking. The Warden shall designate outdoor smoking areas which (a) are reasonably accessible to employees and (b) provide a measure of protection from the elements. The designated outdoor smoking areas shall only be used by employees. 7. STAFF SMOKING CESSATION PROGRAMS Components and Creation. Wardens are to establish an institution Smoking Cessation Program for staff. For a period of 60 days, interested employees shall have the opportunity to sign up for a smoking cessation program, provided by the Employer at no cost to the employees, who shall be on administrative leave, workload permitting, to attend smoking cessation classes that are scheduled during their work time. This program will include nicotine replacement therapy (NRT), using skin patches or nicotine chewing gum. To the extent not covered by health insurance, the Employer will provide a one-time payment to each employee who participates in the NRT, for an eight week supply of either patches or nicotine chewing gum. In addition, the program will include informational literature about the benefits of quitting smoking and counseling, as needed. General health information from persons requesting nicotine replacement therapy may be requested by the agency prior to disbursal of this payment. Smoking Cessation Program. A Smoking Cessation Program must, at a minimum, address: nutrition, physical activity (exercise), stress management, and nicotine replacement therapy (NRT). Institutions may conduct these activities through a combination of: videos, classroom presentations, recreation activities, or group or individual counseling.
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Page 5
8. INMATE SMOKING [DESIGNATED SMOKING AREAS §551.162 a. The Warden must designate a smoking area for use in instances where smoking is part of an authorized inmate religious activity. b.(1) The Warden may designate only outdoor smoking areas for general inmate use (that is, for smoking which is not part of an authorized religious activity). These smoking areas must be clearly identified. (2) The Warden, with the Regional Director’s concurrence, may choose not to designate smoking areas for general use. Once this occurs, the Regional Director’s concurrence is required if the Warden later chooses to designate smoking areas for general use at the institution.] c. Areas without smoking signs are non-smoking areas. d. Inmates violating the smoking rules will be subject to disciplinary action. 9. INMATE SMOKING CESSATION PROGRAMS a. Components and Creation. Wardens are to establish an institution Smoking Cessation Program consistent with local resources. (1) The institution A&O Booklet will inform inmates of a Smoking Cessation Program’s availability including the application and participation procedures. (2) A Smoking Cessation Program must, at a minimum, address: nutrition, physical activity (exercise), stress management, and nicotine replacement therapy (NRT). Institutions may conduct these activities through a combination of: videos, classroom presentations, recreation activities,
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Page 6 the sale of nicotine replacement patches in the institution commissary, or group or individual counseling. b. Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT). Nicotine replacement patches may assist with the gradual tapering of nicotine consumption. Inmates requesting nicotine replacement patches must have an initial medical assessment in order to purchase a six to ten week supply of nicotine replacement patches (see subsection (3)(b) below). (1) Each institution Commissary will stock nicotine replacement patches. Inmates may purchase nicotine replacement patches with the appropriate staff approval as noted in subsection (2) below. (2) Inmates who wish to purchase nicotine replacement patches must obtain an initial written approval from a Bureau health care provider using the Nicotine Replacement Therapy Approval form (Attachment A), certifying that the inmate’s health status has been reviewed and the inmate is approved to use the nicotine replacement patches. (3) The health care provider will: (a) Discuss the nicotine replacement patch’s proper use, describe possible side effects, and warn the inmate about problems associated with overuse (such as the use of two or more nicotine replacement patches at the same time, or the use of a nicotine replacement patch and continued use of cigarettes). (b) Record the inmate’s health status in his or her medical record (such as, but not limited to: weight, blood pressure, post-prandial blood sugar, pulmonary function, exercise tolerance, and how many cigarettes are smoked per day, and any other clinically pertinent information). (c) Provide a signed Attachment A recommending a specific NRT dosage program to the inmate.
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Page 7 (d) The inmate will take the signed NRT Approval form to the institution commissary, which will allow him or her to purchase two weeks of Nicotine Replacement Therapy at a time. The inmate will keep Attachment A until the final supply of nicotine replacement patches has been purchased. (4) The Commissary staff member will initial the NRT Approval form each time the inmate purchases NRT. When the inmate completes the NRT (six or 10 weeks), the Commissary staff member will take the Attachment A from the inmate and send it to the Health Services Unit for inclusion in the Inmate Health Record. 10. INSTITUTION SUPPLEMENT. Each institution will develop an Institution Supplement containing information on its: Smoking Cessation Programs, smoking restrictions, and identifying any authorized outdoor smoking areas within the institution. The Warden is to forward a copy of the Institution Supplement to the Regional Health Systems Administrator. 11. EFFECTIVE DATE. Implementation of this Program Statement will occur within 120 days of the effective date of this policy.
/s/ Harley G. Lappin Director
P1640.04 3/15/2004 Attachment A INMATE NICOTINE REPLACEMENT THERAPY APPROVAL
INMATE NAME _____________________________ DATE: ___________________
INMATE REG. NO. _____________________ INSTITUTION _____________________________ ____ Six (6) Week NRT Dosage Program Expiration date: __________
21 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on_________ (initialed by Commissary)
14 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on_________
7 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on_________ _____ Ten (10) Week NRT Dosage Program Expiration date:__________
21 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on__________ (initialed by Commissary)
21 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on__________
21 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on__________
14 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on__________
7 mg Patches (2 WEEK SUPPLY) Purchased on__________
Health Services Provider Signature_____________________________ Health Services Provider Name Stamp ____________________________
When a purchase is made on this authorization, the Commissary staff member shall initial the Purchased on line. This authorization is to be returned to Health Services by the Commissary when the inmate has made the last authorized purchase. Three (3) month smoking status: ____ smoking ____ non-smoking Six (6) month smoking status: ____ smoking ____ non-smoking
Smoking Cessation Program completed on: ___________________
Executive Order 13058, 62 FR 43451, August 9, 1997
Executive Order 13058
by President of the United States
Protecting Federal Employees and the Public From Exposure to Tobacco Smoke in the Federal Workplace
Signed by President William J. Clinton Saturday, August 9, 1997 Federal Register page & date: 62 FR 43451, Wednesday, August 13, 1997
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America and in order to protect Federal Government employees and members of the public from exposure to tobacco smoke in the Federal workplace, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Policy.
It is the policy of the executive branch to establish a smoke-free environment for Federal employees and members of the public visiting or using Federal facilities. The smoking of tobacco products is thus prohibited in all interior space owned, rented, or leased by the executive branch of the Federal Government, and in any outdoor areas under executive branch control in front of air intake ducts.
Sec. 2. Exceptions.
The general policy established by this order is subject to the following exceptions:
(a) The order does not apply in designated smoking areas that are enclosed and exhausted directly to the outside and away from air intake ducts, and are maintained under negative pressure (with respect to surrounding spaces) sufficient to contain tobacco smoke within the designated area. Agency officials shall not require workers to enter such areas during business hours while smoking is ongoing.
(b) The order does not extend to any residential accommodation for persons voluntarily or involuntarily residing, on a temporary or long-term basis, in a building owned, leased, or rented by the Federal Government.
(c) The order does not extend to those portions of federally owned buildings leased, rented, or otherwise provided in their entirety to nonfederal parties.
(d) The order does not extend to places of employment in the private sector or in other nonfederal governmental units that serve as the permanent or intermittent duty station of one or more Federal employees.
(e) The head of any agency may establish limited and narrow exceptions that are necessary to accomplish agency missions. Such exception shall be in writing, approved by the agency head, and to the fullest extent possible provide protection of nonsmokers from exposure to environmental tobacco smoke. Authority to establish such exceptions may not be delegated.
Sec. 3. Other Locations.
The heads of agencies shall evaluate the need to restrict smoking at doorways and in courtyards under executive branch control in order to protect workers and visitors from environmental tobacco smoke, and may restrict smoking in these areas in light of this evaluation.
Sec. 4. Smoking Cessation Programs.
The heads of agencies are encouraged to use existing authority to establish programs designed to help employees stop smoking.
Sec. 5. Responsibility for Implementation.
The heads of agencies are responsible for implementing and ensuring compliance with the provisions of this order. “Agency” as used in this order means an Executive agency, as defined in 5 U.S.C. 105, and includes any employing unit or authority of the Federal Government, other than those of the legislative and judicial branches. Independent agencies are encouraged to comply with the provisions of this order.
Sec. 6. Phase-In of Implementation.
Implementation of the policy set forth in this order shall be achieved no later than 1 year after the date of this order. This 1 year phase-in period is designed to establish a fixed but reasonable time for implementing this policy. Agency heads are directed during this period to inform all employees and visitors to executive branch facilities about the requirements of this order, inform their employees of the health risks of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, and undertake related activities as necessary.
Sec. 7. Consistency with Other Laws.
The provisions of this order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law, including the Federal Service Labor-Management Relations Act (5 U.S.C. 7101 et seq.) and the National Labor Relations Act (29 U.S.C. 151 et seq.) Provisions of existing collective bargaining agreements shall be honored and agencies shall consult with employee labor representatives about the implementation of this order. Nothing herein shall be construed to impair or alter the powers and duties of Federal agencies established under law. Nothing herein shall be construed to replace any agency policy currently in effect, if such policy is legally established, in writing, and consistent with the terms of this order. Agencies shall review their current policy to confirm that agency policy comports with this order, and policy found not in compliance shall be revised to comply with the terms of this order.
Sec. 8. Cause of Action.
This order does not create any right to administrative or judicial review, or any other right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by a party against the United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its officers or employees, or any other person or affect in any way the liability of the executive branch under the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Sec. 9. Construction.
Nothing in this order shall limit an agency head from establishing more protective policies on smoking in the Federal workplace for employees and members of the public visiting or using Federal facilities.
William J. Clinton
The White House,
August 9, 1997.
[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 8:45 a.m., August 12, 1997]
ANY QUESTIONS NOW WHOSE BEHIND THE BULLSHIT!
That was hitler light leaving much of it open to whats called INTERPRETATION by authority. So a Captain of a base at that time could do it or not do it. Then later they moved along with even more rstrictions still looking at when that occurred prior to 2004 and by whom!
For some reason the Nazis are in a all out effort to get as many bans instituted before the new senate takes over as they can get. Funding cuts will be coming and the Nazis know it.
A few letters to the editor in ky this week to try and push a statewide ban again. But they have no money here for a blitz and haven’t had in 3 years since all the stimulus money ran out……….
Since Beshears zerocare state plan has been found illegal by the legislature this past year theres no zerocare slush funds available to my knowledge yet to try and finagle a ban anywhere like as what happened in Mississippi and Michigan along with a few other states using Bluecross grants via zerocare.
It was so bad in Australian and California prisons the prisoners took the patch of nicotine and mixed it with dried tea leaves to roll up in bible paper and smoke!
All in all, ramping up the bans. The prison ban is exceptionally bad. Incarceration (depriving liberty) is the punishment. Additional punishments beyond that take on the color of cruel and unusual punishment. Especially since the second hand smoke health threat is hollow. All this does is enhance the power of prison gang who will find a way to get tobacco contraband into the prison just like they already do with narcotics and alcohol. The other strategic problem is there is no real constituency for preserving prisoners’ smoking liberties–making this another example of divide and conquer.
The prison ban is exceptionally bad.
Yes, really that’s the worst.
It was just that if someone can’t even collect the water that’s run off their house or property, they own nothing at all – not even the air they breathe.
That’s why I counted that the worst.
It all comes down to the same thing: depriving liberty. I don’t know how things got to this point. Totalitarianism was vanquished in the both Century, now it is rearing its plutocratic head on a global playing field. Property rights were the seed of modern democracy. If you have no control over your own land, pub or bar–not to mention yourself–you have no foundation for real rights or liberties…
Smoking Lamp I couldn’t have said it better myself……
Thanks, Harley, Should have read “20th” Century above (spell check).
I aint the spelling police or any kind of police anymore,simply to preserve the same freedoms we have had for our own children in the future generations. Its all we truly have to leave them.
That one really intrigues me, Frank. Are water butts banned? I’ve got two. They collect rainwater from the guttering.
Margo, so do I.
What would I do 30 days in prison? I’d learn from professionals…..
Just my belated two cents worth on yesterdays Hitchens observation on smoking snitches.
The countenance of snitch culture; yet another casualty along with private property rights and the freedom of assembly, brought to you by the storm troopers of the War on Smoking. Yaay Judas, you protected your fellow disciples from that mystic, wafting holy smoke. You go, guy ! Got that kiddies? Judas Good, Smoker Bad.
There was a snitch (we called him a narc) in my hometown who took down 31 of my friends for selling pot by the name of Skeet.
Skeet wound up dead in an alleyway beaten to death. We’d go to the spot where they found his body and toast his death over joints and beers. All that beer tended to fill up our bladders so we’d relieve ourselves on the wall where his lifeless corpse was found slumped against.
I regret that I wasn’t there to personally help punch him to death.
Or was I?
Voter I love you! My kinda man……………man of my own virtues.
Thanks Harley, the feeling is mutual buddy. If I ever make it east of the Rocky Mountains I’m gonna’ drop in and see ya’ in Kentucky. It’s the proud state of Senator Rand Paul, whiskey, thoroughbred horses and tobacco farming – what’s there not to love! Sounds like paradise to me. And Barbara Mandrell was right down the road in Nashville.
That song has always sent chills down my spine for some reason. Los Angeles people used to consider us country bumpkins out here in citrusville.
@Smokervoter – I used to admire your posts, but that makes me sick.
Stewart whats any different than what voter was talking about and the deaths of smokers due to the bans and tax laws………….Why isn’t that also not sickening by the same standard. Are we so weak we cant stand up for ourselves and keep government in line and those around us. We don’t enjoy such talk I can guarantee you but when its handed to you like the Nazis have to us or the fact that the bans have made enforcers out of your neighbor………….what would you do if you knew for a fact they called and caused the disaperance or death of your loved ones because of some stupid government law.
Perhaps the time is coming close to when taking to the streets and possibly even armed rebellion is at hand. I don’t want it but I sure as hell wont stand by and let anyone fuck with our own especially when we know the truth.
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Yep they even hacked SV website or created one and shut it down
I’m not sure what’s behind the frozen site. It might be that I hadn’t added any new content for over a year and they considered it abandoned property. I tried to deal with the situation but ended up in a fruitless conversation with computer bot. I’m not very good at cryptic, truncated geek speak. I carefully followed their instructions to reinstate the site but to no avail. Then I lost interest.
When I get the time I will move the site to a new free host somewhere – heck, maybe even WordPress. So far smokervoter has lived variously at GeoCities, Microsoft Live (the smokersclub link still points there-can you fix that for me Harley?) and webs.com. Why anyone would want to hack it or steal it is beyond me, it’s totally crap content – but it’s a labour of love nonetheless and I’m sticking by it. And beside that I learned html in the process, originally using Microsoft FrontPage Express no less.
I generally don’t like template-oriented sites which I’m thinking WordPress is. I want to keep my web coding skills in fighting trim. Any suggestions would me more than welcome.
Are you familiar with KompoZer?
http://kompozer.sourceforge.net/
Cheesis K. Reist. Post a rather dark humoured comment, turn off computer, have a glass of red wine, go to bed and wake up to a tempest in a teapot.
I hesitated to add those last three words and then thought ‘What the heck’, the lighthearted people over at Frank’s place are well aware that I “Above all else love a good belly laugh”, and that includes some morbid jokes as well.
Walt has got it exactly right. “Or was I?” is a comedic gagline that is used by a certain radio presenter on L.A. radio (whose name escapes me right now). Interestingly enough, the gist of the routine is that he’s making fun of conspiracy theorists and shock journalism with the line.
I think what I’ll do is go back and selectively drop in some individual responses or this comment might well spill off the page. [“Is there some kind of shortage of whitespace we weren’t aware of?” – from the intro to good, ole’ smokervoter.com, first web published on GeoCities right around the turn of the last century]
Yes, the prison ban is sick. Smokervoter has sickened me too, so I’m just leaving now – sickened and looking for some good news somewhere. At least the Oregon man who went to jail for collecting rainwater stood up for freedom in the right way – a way that will more likely lead to justice for all. A gang of cowards beating up one man in an alleyway is not what I call justice. Maybe in the warped mind of a cannabis user, but then I have read many of their deranged postings online where smoking tobacco is bad and cannabis is good.
I expect Rastafarians will be able to smoke joints in their cells after callously committing a cowardly gang murder.
It make for great treasonous talk and about open rebellion at the coffee house…………
Civil Wars aren’t pretty,but sometimes they are justified.
Skeet was probably a dealer himself, which the cops used as a “handle” on him, and as I noted elsewhere on this page, that’s what happens when you don’t pay your bills on time.
Lessons from Eric Garner’s death and cigarette taxes
Punitive taxes boost black markets that trigger violent police crackdowns
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In January 2014, tough new penalties for selling untaxed cigarettes took effect in New York City. In July, emboldened by the new law, the city’s highest-ranking uniformed cop, Philip Banks, issued an order to crack down on loosie sales days before Garner died.
These events confirm that police are ultimately the enforcers of the tax code, and every vote for higher taxes gives police increased authority to exert more force on citizens in more situations. Higher excise taxes inevitably lead to more violent clashes between police and smugglers.
Americans have a long tradition of smuggling to avoid taxes. Some Founding Fathers were smugglers. John Hancock, for example, operated one of the largest smuggling operations in the American Colonies in order to avoid British trade taxes. Hancock smuggled glass, paper, French molasses, Dutch tea, rum, wine and tobacco.
In some respects, the current situation is worse than Colonial times because Americans are imposing this oppressive, violent system on themselves. From black markets in cigarettes to black markets in drugs, today police ride herd over voluntary exchanges between individuals in American communities and kill smugglers on the streets. Garner was another victim of this immoral system — “collateral damage” in New York’s war on tobacco.
New York City Police Commissioner William Bratton wants the public to think that officer retraining on arrest procedures will fix the problem. However, Commissioner Bratton and other city officials choose to ignore the true cause: Current laws create too many situations that put police in conflict with citizens over consensual, nonviolent activities.
Eliminating punitive cigarette taxes would shrink the underground market and help redirect police resources to combating real crimes of force and violence, rather than empowering police to employ violence in the name of tax collection.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/12/mcquillan-the-real-lesson-from-eric-garners-death/#ixzz3LGyDAMXs
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Talking of “snitching,” I have only ever done it once, when I reported a suspected N. Irish terrorist to the police during the ‘Troubles’.
Those involved in cold-blooded murder, especially on such feeble grounds, have to be reported. If anyone on the other side of the Pond wants to report ‘Smokervoter’ for the murder of ‘Skeet’, this is what I have found out…
He lives in south California (probably the San Bernardino area): https://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/tobaccotactics-and-29/
He writes elsewhere that he lives about 70 miles from LA, so that maybe puts him at the east side of San Bernardino, but I’m sure they’ll find him by what seem to be three pictures of him on his website which he has taken down but is archived. I will link below to save Frank having to moderate.
Frank and WordPress will have his email and IP addresses.
https://web.archive.org/web/20091101063429/http://smokervoter.webs.com/
You are not the stewart we all know…………..
I was recently described here as having integrity. That would involve reporting murderers, wouldn’t it?
Like I said your a fake and have been reported.
Who does one report someone to for pointing out that somebody has just apparently admitted to committing a very serious crime? What is the penalty for aiding and abetting a murderer, Harley, should that turn out to be the case? You’d be better off watching who you side with than worrying about me.
Thanks Stewart, you just saved me a lot of computer jockeying. I hadn’t saved the old page with all its myriad images (quite good, if I don’t say so myself) on this computer before they unceremoniously froze me out.
You’re a gentleman and an extremely paranoid scholar.
Those involved in cold-blooded murder, especially on such feeble grounds, have to be reported.
Whom do we report the people’s deaths listed in the smokers graveyard to?
Yep your not Stewart your a LIBERAL PLANT trying to destroy this blog and make claims.
Likely even a informant working for tobacco control trying to create a scene that this site is a group of terrorists and have it shut down is the way I see it. Seeing as we had a liberal over the last few days show up out of nowhere running his mouth………
I love this blog. I’m disappointed in you as well that you applaud someone who has just more or less admitted to murder. Not just murder, but cowardly, cold-blooded murder.
What do you expect decent people to do when someone writes such a thing?
Your a fake and created a SV ID and planted a comment and then came back to make allegations………….
I’m convinced this handle’s real.
Had he thought – carefully – for a couple of minutes he’d have sussed that Frank’s place is monitored by tobacco tactics and Mr. Chapman has, via his tweets, let us know that he too visits it. There’s an anti-smoking employee in NZ as well as one in Australia who give on their job description that they monitor “pro-smoking web sites” and I am well satisfied that Mr. Glantz outfit in California keeps an eye on it as well.
I have no doubt that if they felt any charge needed to be answered they’d inform the police. Indeed it was a sentence in this blog that got some researcher all hot and bothered because someone implied she might get a couple of bricks through her window!
The only difference is they’ll do it quietly without all the moral, religious and ethical ya ya that we’ve been forced to endure this day.
Oh, chill out Stewart. He didn’t admit to murder!
Yes. You too are a gentlewoman and a scholar Margo.
Click the Stewart Cowan Icon, it goes to a Facebook page that is currently down. That suggests that that site has been hacked.
Your right they created an FB page to do a hit and run……………
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https://www.facebook.com/stewart.cowan.3
Note its stewart Cowen 3
My FB page is still there. I have been fighting the system for donkey’s years. I’m the real deal unlike a great many supposed online freedom fighters on governments’ payrolls. Maybe SV has been hacked. Maybe it’s a sting, but it’s none of my doing. Where is he?
As for working for TC or the Government (same thing), I can’t even get medical treatment. Charities tell me to get lost. It looks like I’m the one on a list of ‘bad eggs’ because I fight the system.
As I have said previously, there was a half page article about my situation in the local paper last winter. I have been left to rot. Not the treatment you would expect for someone who is a secret government mole, is it?
Ya its there only the one attached to your posted name is a3rd stewart Cowen FB account and recently opened and then closed.
I opened it years ago. I’ve only ever had one FB a/c. Stewart.cowan.1 is someone else entirely and #2 is unavailable. It wasn’t me! There are quite a few people with my name.
As a matter of fact Frank I believe we have somebody stealing nicks and posting as them creating all this mess above and likely over the last week. Theres certain things that are a tad to deep and specific noted above to be found by just anyone other than that of the government or police. I do believe we are the victim here of a sting operation and the planting of false evidence in a form to create enough swirl with officials to shut the blog down…………….
Frank for good measure Id dump your hard drives right now and begin anew………….
It wasn’t that long ago they came in and took computers from a friend of DP’s if we remember back a few years and threatened him wit jail time over what I forget but just do it so they cant plant evidence on you at all and start fresh wit a new puter right now this evening.
My own computer over the last few weeks has been hit with what looked like jamming with my screen being overtly jumbled to the point windows would shut down,but no viruses got thru……….Its happened at least 8 times in 3 weeks.
Every time that happened to me, it was just death throes of the mouse.
There’s nothing on my computer which isn’t written on my blog. I have no secrets.
And I think that it’s Stewart Cowan who’s been writing, not some impostor. He’s a Christian, and he’s no friend of marijuana.
Stewart, wtf are you doing? To start with, SV’s last “or was I?” was a gag and if you read the whole thing carefully you’d get that from it too. Beyond that, in your literalness, you’ve broken every rule of net civility and made an ass of yourself. If you want to make more of an ass of yourself, the number for the F B I is 212 384-1000. Do your own insane dirty work Careful though, I think it’s a misdemeanor to make a false report, and then of course there’s a possible law suit for libel .
In the worls of the NSA and the EU I wouldn’t put it past them to create a scene from which to draw a court order thru there secret court to further fuck with people. SV has made plenty of political waves thru the years especially in California. He would be a prime target for any of obamas people to target including the FBI.
Then my email has been hacked over 40 times in the last 5 months along with my own facebook account. Countless happenings are adding up to much more than mere hackers from some anti-tobacco group at some college like one in California I suspect of such things.
The thread here hadn’t refreshed when I posted and the last thing up was Stewzrt’s or “Stewart’s” snitching post. If it’s a hack, then I sincerely apologize.
Walt its yet to be figured out but we had a so called name stealer about 2 years ago here constantly doing just that. I forget the name but obviously we are pissing theNazis off to no end.
Bingo. You too are a gentleman and a scholar Walt. And after I visit Harley in Kentucky (sure, sure SV) I’m heading north to the Big Apple to meet you (and maybe even my hero Audrey). I’ll catch you up on what’s become of your old stomping grounds in Southern California. I still love the damned place.
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Smokers are a minority and it is OK to pick on them. How about the fact that obesity is just as deadly and more often than not a lifestyle choice as well?
http://tucson.com/news/opinion/mailbag/facebook-comments-from-our-readers/article_79993338-3e68-58ad-9dc6-449a79a8a8bb.html
Like I said your digging your fraud even deeper…….
What ‘fraud’ are you talking about? I’m posting facts – facts in the public domain. The Whois details can be found via easily.co.uk. I don’t have inside government information. I just know how to work the internet!
Stewart, that Whois info you posted is meaningless, by the way. SV’s not pretending to be someone else. SV’s domain name simply expired, and it was vultured by some wannabe dot-net “entrepreneur” (a.k.a. con-artist) in hopes that someone will want to buy it back from him at an exorbitant cost. This happens all the time to domain names that lapse.
That’s what happens when you don’t pay the bill on time. GoDaddy says it’s available and there’s a bid of $300 for the dot com.
It’s now and always been hosted at free hosting servers. You think I’m going to pay someone to host my imbecilic stuff?
So it’s gone down to $300 now? What an insult, it was at $350 back in 1999 and when you factor inflation in, that wouldn’t have been a very good investment.
In the words of Rodney Dangerfield, I don’t get no respect!
I take it that you don’t own the domain name “smokervoter.com” then. The fee for the domain name is separate from the server rent. The best reason to rent server space is that then you can use your own real domain name, instead of your free website host’s domain name. Server space can be had pretty cheap, $3.99 a month.
http://www.fastwebhost.com/
It sure sounds like SC and not a fake to me, and his beliefs-he’s a committable Xian- compel him to abhor murder so his stance is unsurprising.
Do you agree that it could be an admission of guilt, BD?
No I don’t and I think you are barking up the wrong cannabis plant on this one. BUT I’m pretty sure you are you and I hate to see anyone accused unfairly of being a plant/stooge/troll.
Thanks. I hate that too, by the way, when it happens to others. I think Harley got a bit carried away. Who would want to pretend to be me? It’s not like I get an easy ride.
“Who would want to pretend to be me? It’s not like I get an easy ride.”
Glad you said that, cos I was too polite to say that your, normally, being a bit of a cock is what convinced me that this was you! If you’d been suddenly all nice and fluffy , then I’d have been worried. :P
I read Smokervoter’s comment last night, and found it unremarkable. The last thing it was, in my view, was any sort of confession of murder. So I agree with Walt, and think Stewart Cowan’s response is waaay over the top.
Non-pot-smoking Stewart probably isn’t aware of the intensity of the War on Drugs in the USA (particularly in California). It’s like nothing we’ve ever seen in the UK. Over the years I’ve read countless horror stories of police raids on marijuana growers in California, where people wound up shot dead. So there are real hatreds over there for outfits like the DEA. Hatreds I can fully understand.
I used to be involved (in a small way) in campaigning for cannabis legalisation/decriminalisation. I’ve smoked enough of the stuff over my lifetime, after all. And it holds no terrors for me. Now my efforts go into fighting the War on Tobacco (in a much larger way).
And, unfortunately, the War on Tobacco Smoking is an extension of the War on Drugs. And so there are real hatreds developing there too. And in such wars people get killed. They always do. That’s what wars are. There are going to be a lot of people who are going to die in the War on Smoking. I’ve already got a Graveyard that’s slowly filling up with them.
Stewart Cowan has contributed quite a lot to these threads. I’ll be sorry to see him go. I keep a light rein round here, because I want the widest-ranging discussion. But I’m quite prepared to crack down if I think I have to (I regularly do with antismokers).
P.S. I’ve deleted the details about Smokervoter that Stewart posted. And a couple of other comments by Stewart, at his requext.
Frank,
As soon as I read SV’s comment it smacked of an admission…
“I regret that I wasn’t there to personally help punch him to death.
Or was I?”
Plus, he clearly knows the others involved.
And Harley’s comment just afterwards at 2.22 infers that he believes that SV was involved in the murder, don’t you think?
I’m surprised that you found the comment unremarkable. Nobody likes a grass, but I’m amazed that others find it acceptable that he was murdered in cold blood by a gang of up to 32 individuals.
I understand the so-called “War on Drugs” and it is ridiculous. I am a victim of it myself, in a different way.
I don’t think you’ll have to ban me as I don’t much fancy continuing mixing with people who condone murder, but I’m disappointed that you’re considering it.
Maybe Harley will repent of his blood-lust and we can get back to being civilised?
As soon as I read SV’s comment it smacked of an admission…
Smacked of? Smacked of? You’re happy to accuse someone of murder because what they wrote smacked of an admission?
Plus, he clearly knows the others involved.
Does he? Where did he say that?
And Harley’s comment just afterwards at 2.22 infers that he believes that SV was involved in the murder, don’t you think?
No, I don’t. Harley is simply a gun-toting ex-military-policeman who takes no prisoners, and approves of others who don’t either.
I’m amazed that others find it acceptable that he was murdered in cold blood by a gang of up to 32 individuals.
There’s nothing about a gang of 32. The guy in question had helped to get 31 people sent to prison. You’ve completely misread what’s written, and read a whole bunch of stuff into it that simply isn’t there.
I don’t think you’ll have to ban me
Well, I don’t want to, of course. But I can’t tolerate people being (unjustifiably) accused of murder.
Maybe Harley will repent of his blood-lust and we can get back to being civilised?
I don’t think Harley has got anything to repent of. If anyone needs to do any repenting, I’d say it’s you.
Bingo. His unfortunate demise was never solved. It might have been one-on-one for all I know. Hats off to whoever evened the score. For obvious reasons nobody ever took credit. His actions ruined the lives of a lot of young, green-behind-the-ears, budding entrepreneurs. Sorry, couldn’t resist the pun. A Sales charge was a felony at the time, which was well over forty years ago. We’re talking high school memories here folks. Now there’s medical marijuana dispensaries all over the place.
Payback’s a bitch for those who choose to snitch.
This whole silly little snafu is a sterling example of the subtle damage the countenance of snitch culture propagates, and is then magnified by the ubiquitousness and anonymity of the internet.
Aaanyway …. interesting the the BBC have devoted space to reporting the debate going on in the US about tobacco taxes and how they are creating criminals. It’s taking up a lot of column inches over there, even leading to a tongue-in-cheek (I think) call for a “Million Man Cigarette and Salt March”.
MPs urge action as air pollution reaches ‘crisis levels’
New schools, hospitals and care homes should not be built next to air pollution hotspots to help reduce the tens of millions of deaths currently being caused by nitrogen dioxide and pollution, MPs from the Environmental Audit Committee have warned.
Air pollution ‘killing as many people as smoking’
Air pollution in the UK could be killing as many people as smoking does – MPs on the Environmental Audit Committee said.
Calling for the government to act to protect young and vulnerable people from the impact of air pollution by ensuring schools and hospitals are not build near main roads or motorways, MPs said public health must be prioritised over economic growth and had a number of recommendations.
Air quality obligations should be included in new road building plans
Legal loopholes that allow mechanics to remove engine filters from HGVs should be closed
New measures to encourage drivers to move away from diesel should be examined
A diesel scrappage scheme to help drivers switch to cleaner vehicles should be considered
An independent inquiry should be established to look at what else is needed
EU legislation on emission standards needs back up by testing
Last updated Mon 8 Dec 2014
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-12-08/air-pollution-killing-as-many-people-as-smoking/
Air pollution ‘killing nearly as many as smoking in the UK’, warns Environmental Audit Committee
The Environmental Audit Committee has warned that air pollution in the UK is causing a “public health crisis”.
The EAC said air pollution kills nearly as many people as smoking does, and that new schools, care homes and hospitals should be built well away from major roads because of the danger.
There are an estimated 29,000 deaths in the UK from air pollution each year.
“There is a public health crisis in terms of poor air quality,” said EAC chairperson Joan Walley, MP for Stoke-on-Trent North.
“There are nearly as many deaths now caused by air pollution as there are from smoking, so the main thing is we stop a new generation of children being exposed.”
However, Whitehall has claimed to be “investing heavily” in clean air.
A government spokesperson said: “Clean air is vital for people’s health and, while air quality has improved significantly in recent decades, we are investing heavily in measures across government to continue this, committing £2bn (€2.5bn, $3.1bn) since 2011 in green transport initiatives.”
The EAC report blames traffic for 42% of carbon monoxide, 46% of nitrogen oxides and 26% of particulate (mineral dust, carbon and other chemicals) pollution in the UK. Such pollution is linked to cancer, as well as heart and lung diseases.
Nitrogen dioxide is known to exacerbate asthma as it causes an inflammation of the airways and reduces lung function.
The report states that pollutant-heavy cars, such as diesel-run vehicles, should be scrapped to cut emissions.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-air-pollution-causing-nearly-many-deaths-smoking-warns-environmental-audit-committee-1478483
Enstrom published peer-reviewed research in 2003 showing that second-hand cigarette smoke doesn’t kill people.
Then he published another politically incorrect, peer-reviewed study in 2005, which showed that fine particulate matter does not kill California residents—the basis of California’s restrictions on diesel engines because of their contributions to particulate air pollution health effects.
In his 2005 study of American Cancer Society data, Enstrom found no scientific evidence to support CARB’s assertion that very fine particulate matter smaller than 2.5 microns causes a variety of disease outcomes, including cancer and asthma.
The California Air Resources Board ignored his findings, despite his study, which specifically showed no evidence of premature deaths in California due to exposure to PM2.5.
Enstrom also proved that University of California science professors exaggerated the health effects of diesel particulate in California, knowing the results would be used by the CARB to regulate diesel-engine vehicles.
Enstrom outed the lead “scientist” employed by CARB, Hien Tran, who falsely claimed to have a Ph.D. from UC Davis. Tran had purchased the Ph.D. for $1,000 from a diploma mill. CARB still employs Tran as a scientist, despite his degree hoax.
Enstrom said UCLA retaliated, and told him his research “is not aligned with the department’s mission” at UCLA, as justification for his dismissal after 35 years.
Tran’s research was used by CARB and the Legislature to impose drastic, heavy-handed regulations on owners of diesel engine vehicles.
Enstrom has factually and boldly promoted his studies because he says most of the government policies about air quality regulations come from poor or incorrect science. It has survived intense challenge of its facts from many eminent experts in the field who have been unable to find errors in Enstrom’s methods or findings.
Enstrom said he is not alone in questioning “junk environmental science,” nor is the CARB alone in ignoring studies like his.
Exposing a colleague
Enstrom was also responsible for getting UCLA activist and scientist, John Froines, booted from the CARB Scientific Review Panel, which is responsible for identifying toxic contaminants.
The panel is comprised of nine scientists nominated by the University of California president, who are then formally appointed by the governor, the Senate Rules Committee, the Assembly Speaker, and the California Secretary of Environmental Protection.
Enstrom discovered Froines had been on the panel without reappointment for 25 years, which exceeded the legislatively- mandated three-year term limits.
– See more at: http://www.flashreport.org/blo…
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The Firing Of Dr. James Enstrom: The Dangers of Bucking Fashionable Science
Posted by Katy Grimes at 10:07 pm on Feb 12, 2014
Part l of a series:
Bucking the highly fashionable notion that California’s air pollution is deadly, Dr. James Enstrom was one of only a few scientists willing to blow the whistle on the fraudulent science perpetrated at the California Air Resources Board.
It is often said the cover up is worse than the crime. Dr. Enstrom is living proof.
An attempt to muzzle scientific debate and academic freedom on a University of California college campus is at the root of the wrongful termination lawsuit of Dr. James Enstrom.
Enstrom challenged the scientific research that the California Air Resources Board and California Legislature used to enact policies regulating diesel fuel emissions. And then he was fired from his job of 35 years at University of California, Los Angeles.
– See more at: http://www.flashreport.org/blo…
There are an estimated 29,000 deaths in the UK from air pollution each year
So there again out of nowhere they slipped up and state ESTIMATED!
NO NAMES NO DEATH CERTIFICATES NOTHING AGAIN!
Everything today they claim is a lie created literally out of thin air…………….
Risk factors as a science is no more a science than the Black Magic of witch doctors or the Hysterical claims of young girls screaming witches in Salem Mass in the 1600s.
Until the day everyone denies these charlatans and their blackmagic nothing will be settled.
Its literally 100 years ago again and the same agenda is playing out thru its eugenics driven madness.
What’s your point? If you’re trying to refute the air pollution claims, that’s a lousy attempt. It just looks like you’re the hysterical one. They’re using the usual fraud of ignoring the role of infection, but with air pollution, the infection is influenza virus. Especially see the article by Cox 2013.
http://www.smokershistory.com/influenza.html#Air_Pollution
Here’s another very useful study by the same author. The anti-smokers love to trumpet their “adducts” studies as if they’re definitive proof that smoking causes lung cancer. This study lets all the hot air out of their balloon.
Estimating preventable fractions of disease caused by a specified biological mechanism: PAHs in smoking lung cancers as an example. LA Cox Jr, E Sanders. Risk Anal 2006 Aug;26(4):881-892. “We illustrate the approach by estimating an upper bound on the contribution to lung cancer risk made by a specific, much-discussed causal pathway that links smoking to a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) (specifically, benzo(a)pyrene diol epoxide-DNA) adducts at hot spot codons at p53 in lung cells. The result is a surprisingly small preventable fraction (of perhaps 7% or less) for this pathway, suggesting that it will be important to consider other mechanisms and non-PAH constituents of tobacco smoke in designing less risky tobacco-based products.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16948683
The pah path was the only thing they had…………………….left!
harleyrider, note the irony that some people dismiss HPV because it’s “only” 25% of cases, while they are oblivious to the fact that those BaP adducts that the anti-smokers trumpet about all the time would only be involved in 7% of cases, if at all.
Also, that paper won “The Outstanding Published Paper in 2006 Demonstrating an Application of Risk Assessment”, awarded by the Risk Assessment Specialty Section of the Society of Toxicology, March, 2007.
Q&A: The World Health Organization’s Angela Pratt on China’s smoking problem
http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/tryingtoquit
Half of the Senators who voted for Obamacare won’t be part of new Senate
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2555721
WOW!!! We smokers are a really diverse bunch of people – Just as a healthy society used to be!
There is no ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL!
I never liked snitches; snitching is something you DON’T do. End of. And, yes, snitches have a few things coming.
However, I am happy with the Belgian bikers’ action (undressing the government send snitch and dropping him off in the forest in the middle of the night) a few years ago. I believe that no other snitch entered the pub after and the police investigation ended with: “No, officer, sorry, I have not seen anything happen….”
To kill a snitch is taking it way too far in my opinion.
When reading Smokervoter’s post I did not jump to the conclusion that he was involved in this “Skeet’s” murder. Smokervoter’s last sentence just confirmed to me an ever growing general anger.
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The Justice Department (DOJ) is banning smoking and all tobacco products in federal prisons, according to a final regulation to be published Monday.
The anti-smokers are laughing and applauding themselves in their short-sightedness.
There are religious exemptions? What religion?
Exactly.
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Philadelphia’s ban on smoking in public places is now seven years old and City Council finds itself in a quandary over whether to grant exemptions to four bars that want patrons to be able to light up.
The ban in England is >7years old, too. The traditional English pub is nearly dead. How about smoking rooms for these pubs? Anti-smokers keep saying that people don’t want traditional English pubs, so SMOKING ALLOWED will be fine there.
More on Eric Garner, but this time from the BBC:
Yes, the BBC did report Mr. Garner’s death. But it does not stop peddling the anti-smoking nonsense that led to Mr. Garner’s death.
In Russia:
Government employees who fancy a cigarette or two while on duty will have to stay longer hours in the office, a local senior official in southern Russia announced.
Everyone has gone home but the smokers have to stay?
Working smokers will also be signed up for mandatory out of office activities more often.
Where they can smoke?
(CNSNews.com) – Gary Harrington, the Oregon man convicted of collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his rural property surrendered Wednesday morning to begin serving his 30-day, jail sentence in Medford, Ore.
I collect rainwater (not much luck with snow round here) for my house plants. Never knew that rainwater is state property. ?
Can we have common sense back in our lives?
Religious exemptions for those who worship the Goddess Nicotina
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=audrey+hepburn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1_WGVIOXAYTtUrD2gpAE&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=899#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=St8CHpvw4E0yfM%253A%3BRurFiCFfS0DofM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthe-collectiveonline.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F07%252Faudrey_hepburn_69151-1400×1050.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthe-collectiveonline.com%252Fbabe-of-the-week-audrey-hepburn%252F%3B1400%3B1050