China is a Free Country

China sounds good. Ruari Clark in the Free Society:

Anyone interested in civil liberties should come and live in China. But not for the reasons you might suspect. If you do you’ll leave thinking life in Britain leaves much to be desired.

Yes, China is a one party state. Its citizens – subjects is probably a more accurate term – have few if any political freedoms. Nobody suggests this should be replicated in Britain. But the lack of political freedom is accompanied by a refreshing freedom from the repressive and absurdly irritating policies of the British nanny state. A paradox certainly, but true nonetheless.

Smoking is the most obvious example. If I want to light a cigarette in England I have to do so hidden down a manhole lest a passer-by think I’m infringing their ‘right’ to clean air. (Come to China and tell me you have that right.) The very thought of smoking one of my noxious tobacco products indoors would ostracise me from nearly every social situation. Don’t you know passive smoking kills?

If I drop my finished fag in Britain I run the risk of being fined £80 or sent on a ‘re-education’ course. In China, when I open a pack of cigarettes, twenty lighters are held to my face by expectant pedestrians. For some reason people seem to want me to smoke. Maybe it’s because they can see that as an adult I’ve decided to buy a perfectly legal product. Shocking.

No smoking bans here. Be it bar, restaurant or club, nobody minds the odd light up. Indeed the only place I’ve seen an enforced ‘No Smoking’ sign was in a plush hotel catering for Westerners (one form of cultural imperialism the Left don’t give a damn about).

Ashtrays are helpfully provided nearly everywhere and even if I do have to drop a fag end in the street nobody cares because, guess what? It’s not a big deal. Then again it might have something to do with the thousands of people the Chinese have sweeping the streets day and night…

I wasn’t quite sure whether to believe this, so had a look at Wikipedia’s Smoking in China, which confirmed that China hasn’t done much about implementing the provisions of the FCTC treaty it signed up to in 2005. I suppose it must be harder to bully China than most other countries.

And I hope that they never get round to implementing socially-divisive and economically-destructive (and wholly-unnecessary) smoking bans. Because right now, China is a freer country than Britain, at least in respect of smoking bans – which is how I now measure freedom.

If you can sit in a bar and drink a beer and smoke a cigarette, you’re in a free country. And if you can’t, you aren’t. Everything else – democracy, parliaments, bills of rights, etc – is entirely academic. Freedom isn’t some sort of fuzzy abstraction. Freedom is something concretely and personally experienced – sitting in a bar, drinking a beer, and smoking a cigarette. And once that freedom has gone, all freedom has gone.

On 7 July 2007, the day the UK smoking ban came into force, outside the River a complete stranger came up to me and said: “It’s not a free country any more.”

And he was quite right.

And he’s still right today.

And he’ll continue to be right until it is once again possible to sit in a bar and drink a beer and smoke a cigarette.

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61 Responses to China is a Free Country

  1. Great, Frank. And it will be possible again, I’m sure.

  2. waltc says:

    Don’t know where but recently I came across a line in an article that went something like “progressivism is liberalism with no respect for freedom.” I only question whether modern liberalism has anything to do with liberalism either.

    Much is being made by the Democrats in this American political season of an alleged “war on women” ostensibly waged by the Republicans or, at any rate, fought against by the Dems. That I can see, the whole thing is total hogwash; women have never been more front and center in American life, but meanwhile the real war on smokers is never even considered. If women were systematically barred from all “public places” indoors and out, denied employment, housing, travel accommodations, medical treatment, and on top of that charged an extortionate tax on Tampons… that would be a war.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Well I will do my best tomorrow to rid America of Owebummer politicians and take back the senate…………

    • carol2000 says:

      Anti-smokers will promptly point out that smokers are not barred from restaurants, etc., they only have to refrain from smoking. So they’ll make you look stupid if you say this.

      • Frank Davis says:

        smokers are not barred from restaurants

        Smokers are people who smoke. Smoking is banned in restaurants. Ergo smokers are banned from restaurants.

        They’re only allowed in if they quit smoking. i.e. stop being smokers.

        • beobrigitte says:

          They’re only allowed in if they quit smoking. i.e. stop being smokers.

          As a PAYING customer I EXPECT to be treated as such. I am not. I have to leave my drink INSIDE when I check out to go for a cigarette to find that my drink has disappeared when I go back.

          This is DISCRIMINATION + PUNISHMENT for smoking.

      • waltc says:

        The analogy, Carol, would be that women were only allowed in restaurants if they came in drag.

  3. Tom says:

    If anyone in the US watched The Simpsons cartoon show on Fox network, coast to coast TV tonight, they probably got themselves a big heaping helping of anti-smoking hate propaganda disguised as a “funny” cartoon show. I am still reeling and cannot believe they did what they did – that plus push progressive/liberal/SF values as “goodness” along with smoking-bans.

    It started off with Marge’s sisters having a mold problem and needing to stay at their house for a while, the fact them having mold an implication in itself, as the story unfolds and in retrospective thought patterns. But they did and they came in and lighted up cigarettes. Only Homer, not wanting them there because they were his in-laws, made up an excuse citing the cigarette smoke would harm the childrens’ lungs, to which Marge agreed, and they were not to smoke or be booted out.

    So they want w/o smoking for a while but then tried smoking outdoors but a rain storm came immediately. So then they tried those pre-packaged disposable e-cigs but complained about “no tar and other harmful chemicals” and gave up on those (though the implication seemed to be the e-cigs were “good”, the tobacco was “bad”, in regard to that – almost like an agenda pushed by Fox to promote e-cigs, demote tobacco).

    Then they said screw it and the one bathroom hadn’t any smoke alarms and they went in there, lighted up, only the water exploded (because of fracking putting gas in the water lines, a seque to a new phase of the cartoon half hour) – they got caught – Homer stood with their suitcases already packed – and they got booted out the door – homeless.

    Last shot had them smoking with others outside the dog-track and an aerial view has them looking like the eiffel tower (which was some weird allusion to France and smoking, I’m not sure what they meant by that allusion in the propaganda messaging).

    And that was just the first five minutes of a half hour show. Within 5 minutes, it was completely normal to villify smoking, villify SHS as “truth”, glorify e-cigs over tobacco and make smokers go homeless – all in “good fun” on a “comic” cartoon show put out by Fox, coast to coast in the US tonight, prime time.

    Then they segued into fracking and with that brought in Burns as the “evil capitalist” and had a character from DC whose name wasn’t Nancy, but was basically, Nancy Pelosi and she fought Burns and brought in a “liberal paradise” and “Bay Area Values”, to which Fox applauded the outcome at the end by having it end on that note, all is now well in TV land, here in the US, coast to coast, now that blatant anti-smoking hate campaigns and pro-liberal-progressive values are AOK, in the world of “conservative” Fox broadcasting.

    And maybe I read too much into things, but there is propaganda value in everything that is broadcast and that, what I saw tonight, was obvious what kind of foul messaging they were giving authority to, especially the hateful anti-smoking bit.

    It looks like if everyone in the US votes in “conservative” Rep’s this election over “liberal” Dem’s, then since Fox is allegedly the voice of conservative broadcasting here in the US, then quite possibly it will result in the same situation as happened in UK – where Lib/Lab/Con got in with Con holding the reigns, but being every bit as anti-smoking hateful and health-fascist “liberal” as Labour was who kicked it off.

    Ditto now, with the US, quite possibly, I assume, after seeing that artful bit of hate propaganda tonight on Fox network in the US this evening.

    It wasn’t “funny” though, for a cartoon. It was serious propaganda messaging, none of it “good”.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Id agree Tom FOX has gone pretty much with the leftard propaganda lines in the past 4 years. When they brought in ;

      Elisabeth Hasselbeck leaving ‘The View’ for ‘Fox & Friends …

      http://www.foxnews.com/…/elisabeth-hasselbeck-to-leave-view-for-fox-friends

      Jul 10, 2013 · Elisabeth Hasselbeck leaving ‘The View’ for ‘Fox … Hasselbeck will be joining Fox News … The View.” She was a speaker at the Republican …

      We all knew then where this was headed and I pretty much gave up even FOX for news save BARNEY and Hannity along with Cavuto………….

      Their programming and stories they seem to push are lefty slanted and the so called guests. Its rare to see them actually put somebody up on the regular day time shows that actually speaks the truth and points it out………

      Propaganda knows no ends in the media………..fair and balanced ya like about 70% propaganda and 30% truth MAYBE!

    • Frank Davis says:

      Maybe you should do what I did about 5 years ago, and just stop watching. I never watch the Simpsons any more.

      Last night I watched on YouTube Ronnie O’Sullivan playing Mark Williams in some international snooker championship being played in China or somewhere. It was two hours long, but I could’ve done with three. The game swung one way, and then the other, and then… For those who don’t know, Ronnie O’Sullivan is a snooker phenomenon, and five times world champion. Mark Williams was world champion once, I think. Neither of them were on their A-game, but both picked up after a few games. I had no idea who was going to win until the winner won.

      Zero political messages, and no advertising, although YouTube is putting more and more ads in lots of stuff these days. I pick and choose what I watch. Old movies, documentaries. Who needs TV?

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Frank in 1964 my grandfather took the tv and tossed it out into the trash. He said then its jus going to destroy the youth of today! Of course he was a penticostal fire and brimstone hang from the rafters preacher………….They even spoke in tounges to the holy spirit. I kid you not! They called it speaking in tounges.

      • Tom says:

        Yes, and I do, for the most part too, choose YouTube and other online move and TV services to circumnavigate the networks and MSM, including even local “news”, which are propaganda pieces and disgusting most of time, how they push their agendas, including anti-smoking, and in NorCal, the rest of the whole “Bay Area values” agenda, which is UN Agenda 21, as well.

        However, the problem is, the majority of people do not do that and they simply have MSM on 24/7, and their kids are taking in Simpsons and the similar subliminal and overt propaganda messaging, the same way during WWII persons took in war propaganda messaging via the cartoon shows that were widely popular and shown on movie screens coast to coast – and w/o blinking an eye or thinking much more or critically about it, then the vast majority of the country has just been dumbed down, yet a bit more, by what Simpsons and Fox portrayed last night on TV coast to coast in mass broadcasting, as “normal”.

        So I agree, I enjoy the online over the internet type availabilities and where I gravitate the most these days, ignoring main-stream as much as possible, except for a small handful of shows and only once in a while, maybe a few hours at most per week, or for a local “news” matter, trying to sift out the propaganda and forced “normality” manufacturing going on – but the problem isn’t that – it is that already, a majority has been infected, by things like what Simpsons did last night – and they won’t even realize it. It will be “normal” now, what they were just taught, by example and lesson, via a “funny” cartoon, that was even “good for the children”. And so another generation grows up, anti-smoking, to the hilt. That, to me, is what the problem is. I can still personally avoid the aggravation by simply not watching, as for the most part, I do avoid the networks and mainstream, I mostly do.

      • Tom says:

        BTW, if you use Mozilla Firefox browser (free, relatively stable and relatively secure) instead of Bill Gate’s MS IE, which is buggy and full of security breaches, the Mozilla community has freebie downloads you can add into Firefox, one of them being AdBlockerPlus, which is a 2 minute download and auto-install process via the add-on’s window – and if you do that, it eliminates all the advertising on YouTube and several other on-line TV/Movie/Video websites. It doesn’t on all of them, but on most of them, it will eliminate the ads altogether.

      • nisakiman says:

        Same as that, Frank. I haven’t had TV for about 12 years. Everything I want to watch, I can get through the internet, even live stuff like the F1 Grand Prix, which I enjoy. But mostly I just download movies, series I like (Poirot, Sherlock Holmes [the Jeremy Brett one] and Morse for example), and documentaries. I recently bought a 40″ flat screen TV to use as a monitor, which is great for watching movies etc. A bit ‘in yer face’ for reading emails etc, but I’ve got used to it now.

        • A bit ‘in yer face’ for reading emails etc, but I’ve got used to it now.

          LOL. I’m coming up to a decade without a TV licence. I’d been considering it for years then my conscience wouldn’t allow me to contribute to the BBC any longer. I watch a lot of old films on DVD. I don’t buy BBC DVDs. In fact, I no longer buy DVDs from mainstream studios as it will be used to make modern propaganda. I’ll be buying used ones from now on, although I have a fairly good collection now.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Last night I watched on YouTube Ronnie O’Sullivan playing Mark Williams in some international snooker championship being played in China or somewhere.

        I can assure you – you would not catch me watching this! Currently I watch a lot about Thorium reactors as well as trying to find updates on the Ebola epidemic.

    • carol2000 says:

      Fox peddles the same mass media stories as all the rest of them. The only difference is in the packaging – they pretend to be indignant about it. But refute or expose it? NEVER.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Well On occasion they do CAROL. They actually give the libertarian John Stossel on his own show time to put down the junk science of the anti-smokers. Then RED EYE occasionally has a good segment busting the BS. But red eyes on at 2 am not 8 pm where itd count!

        • beobrigitte says:

          But red eyes on at 2 am not 8 pm where itd count!

          That is the same with the BBC; Ebola at 05:00 hrs, health warnings between 07:00 – 09:00 hrs!!
          Catch the public with whatever suits you and you can!!

    • waltc says:

      I think you’re confusing the Fox over the air station with the Fox News cable channel. They’re basically fife rent entities. This is not to say that individuals at Fox News are all on our side. I’ve heard some snarky comments over there too but it’s not station policy.

  4. Sounds good if you want to visit, but I still wouldn’t want to live in China permanently.

    A few days ago, Leg-iron wrote about his visit to China about half a lifetime ago and said that everyone seemed free and happy.

    So I wrote, “I suppose, as in any society, when you stay within the law – even if punching someone who insults you is legal – you won’t have a problem, but I’m sure you didn’t try to open a church while you were there or were a member of Falun Gong and had your organs harvested or you were once a woman and was kidnapped by the police and had your baby aborted or had been forcibly sterilised or had been driven off your land at gun-point and moved into one of their brand new cities or forced to work long hours for peanuts in a factory making consumer goods for the West?

    Or perhaps these reports are grossly exaggerated for Western consumption…?”

    He replied that China is much bigger than the UK and we always hear about dawn raids on people for no real reason, arrests for Twitter comments, etc. and that we can’t cast the first stone.

    He’s right about that and it is good that China still treats smokers as normal human beings, but I would probably have been arrested several times for things I’d written or for going to an “underground” church. My hope was to have quite a few children, but my life hasn’t panned out at all as intended anyway.

    Everyone reading this post might have some other reason to bang on about other aspects of communist rule they hate just as we bang on about the many things we despise about the New West.

    But even prisoners in the UK can still smoke in their cells (I understand), but of course, these people are not free.

    As for China, I wonder why they signed the FCTC. Maybe the persecution is just around the corner? I think they’ll have to ‘comply’ in the end because as the World Bank (part of the UN) says, “Lessons from Uruguay to achieve a smoke-free world” – http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/17/dia-mundial-sin-tabaco-america-latina-uruguay

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Chinas Economy is so big it doesn’t really need to worry about any world bank or its decisions. China can simply maintain its own currency without much fear of economic reprisals from some small politically corrupt world bank or IMF.

      China isn’t uraguay or even Greece or Italy among small bankrupt countries who need bailout funds to stay afloat from the WORLD BANK and IMF. Those lil countries can be easily manipulated into towing the line. China is so vast and big itd be hard to blackmale them into submission…………like the lil countries can be. In fact Big tobacco makes more money than the whole GDP of several of these small countries combined.

      • But I think that the Chinese regime will want to appear ‘modern’ and healthy and will go with bigger bans and other legislation. I just think they will want to fully join in with the fanaticism of the West to prove how ‘modernised’ they are.

  5. Actually, you’ll love this as much as I did. Everyone’s favourite eugenicist couple, Bill and Melinda, are meddling in China right now.

    “In China, our focus is on encouraging the development of city policies, specifically supporting mayors to develop smoke-free cities, taxation policies, and public awareness campaigns. To this end, we are funding a project through Emory University. We are also funding the China Medical Board to work with the top medical universities in China to create smoke-free hospitals, decrease smoking among physicians, and develop new evidence on tobacco economics and policies. We are currently considering the best ways to work with partners in India to strengthen tobacco-control efforts there.”

    https://docs.gatesfoundation.org/Documents/tobacco-strategy.pdf

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Stewart in India if you get the India Times news alerts happens to be the biggest propagator of new BS on smoking. Now I gather its been Gates dumping money there to buy propaganda from universities and then spread it around the globe………..

      The above sounds more like a Confession to illegal activities by Gates and his wife than anything else…………

  6. The Chinese were just a bit slow on this one, but they can catch up very quickly: New smoking regulations likely by mid-2015, says official

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Liu Zejun, head of the office of Beijing Patriotic Health Campaign Committee

      Beijing Patriotic Health Campaign Committee

      5 Seriously Disturbing Facts About the Smoking Scene In China
      5/3/2011
      By Christine Egan
      If you’re smoking in a public space in China right now (bar, restaurant, hospital waiting room, domestic flight, hotel lobby, etc.), then you’re breaking the law. But then again, if you’re smoking in a public space in China right now, you probably won’t get into much trouble, even though the country’s new smoking-in-public-places ban legally went into effect two days ago. (Oh, and you can still smoke at work. Yay!) The reason you’ll get away with lighting up at your leisure? The punishment for violators is nominal and negligible: Sure, maybe a restaurant or bar will get fined $5,000 or less for letting its patrons puff for pleasure. But first, that law would need to be enforced by someone. Which, by any and all accounts I’ve read, it’s not, and may never be. And so far, there aren’t any penalties for individuals who break the new law. WTF, China? Where the hell are all your standard draconian consequences?
      Now, I have no desire to deprive Chinese citizens of any of their individual human rights, including their right to smoke if they so choose. (Historically, China has infringed upon its citizens’ rights all too effectively on its own.) But if this country is going to make a weak, half-baked attempt to ban smoking in public places (even just to appease the World Health Organization), then it really should impose some realistic penalties and consequences on those businesses and venues that violate the law. Not to make the lives of ordinary Chinese people miserable and difficult by denying them this one little vice, but maybe, just maybe, to save even a few hundred thousand of its citizens’ lives. And don’t worry, Chinese government, you won’t lose a yuan, and you’ll make even more on the side by arbitrarily collecting fines from businesses once in a while. (That was a joke. I don’t want the Chinese government to arbitrarily fine people, even though it probably will.)
      The worst part about this situation is that, pretty much any way you look at it, it’s a no-win situation for the Chinese people. Worst case scenario is that they get to continue to smoke as much as they want; their government makes tons of money directly off them and their chronic habit; and they die prematurely of terrible, preventable, smoking-related diseases. Best case scenario? Their government actually makes a half-hearted attempt to pretend to care about them and makes it more difficult for them to smoke as much or as regularly; the Chinese smokers are a little grumpier; but maybe they live slightly longer.
      And if by chance you think that the new partial smoking ban sham in China doesn’t matter much one way or the other, check out these five disturbing facts about the current smoking hot (read: deadly) scene in China:
      1. There are at least 300 million habitual smokers in China. Or, put another way, imagine if every single American citizen/resident were a lifelong smoker. This is insane. I can almost smell the secondhand smoke from here.
      2. Just 20% of Chinese adults believe that cigaratte smoking actually causes cancer or other serious health-related illnesses. Which obviously means that 80% of Chinese citizens don’t think that smoking is bad for their health. Now, Chinese people are smart, so I find this statistic to be particularly astounding and deeply troubling. Perhaps they’ve been listening to a bit too much of their government’s propaganda?
      3. Almost half of all doctors in China are chronic smokers, according to a report on The Huffington Post. Unreal. My parents once had a primary care doctor who was grossly overweight for no good reason, and I kept encouraging them to kick him to the curb. The Chinese people couldn’t really do that, because then they’d basically have no more doctors. This deeply-ingrained epidemic may actually make the healthcare system in the United States look fairly functional.
      4. China’s National Tobacco Corporation is owned by the Chinese government, according to a post on NTD Television’s website. Which means that the government directly and generously profits from the sale of and taxes on every single pack and carton of cigarettes sold in the country. Now, we know how powerful the Big Tobacco lobby is in the United States; it’s hard to imagine what would happen if the Chinese government were your direct boss. Or rather, it’s not that hard to imagine. And who says Communists don’t love capitalism?
      5. One million Chinese people die every year of smoking-related diseases. (And another 100,000 or so kick the bucket from secondhand-smoke-related illnesses!) Need I say more? Okay, I need. Considering how overweight and obese the U.S. population is, our government certainly isn’t the finest health-related example for other countries to follow, but seriously China: Quit it.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Stewart that was 4 yeas ago the above note they said in 2011 china had 300 million smokers and now in 2014 out of nowhere they have 350 million smokers! lol

        • XX Stewart that was 4 yeas ago the above note they said in 2011 china had 300 million smokers and now in 2014 out of nowhere they have 350 million smokers! lol XX

          Sounds feasable. considering the birth rate.

  7. I had some thoughts on China…

    In China, there are 350 000 000 smokers. That is, three HUNDRED and fifty million smokers. I have wondered before whether there is something different about China. The death rate from smoking is quite different to ours!

    “Unless major cancer prevention and treatment programs are put in place, the current figure of about one million Chinese dying each year from all smoking-related illnesses will rise to two million by 2025, and three million by mid-century, CCTV reported.” (http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/role-of-smoking-cited-in-chinas-rising-lung-cancer-deaths/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=World&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=Blogs)

    The Tobacco Control Cartel/Corporations/Industry is needing a profitable new stamping ground. What better one than China!? It has three HUNDRED and fifty million smokers – wow – and a one million smoking related death rate. I am sure very shortly that figure will be adjusted so it comes in line with the West where, we are told HALF of smokers die from smoking. Does half of three HUNDRED and fifty million equal one million?

    • prog says:

      Or, in other words, less than 0.3% of non Chinese smokers are killed by tobacco. Is that right?

      One thing seems clear – wherever/whenever TC gets a foothold ‘smoking-related’ diseases and fatalities increase dramatically.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Just 20% of Chinese adults believe that cigaratte smoking actually causes cancer or other serious health-related illnesses. Which obviously means that 80% of Chinese citizens don’t think that smoking is bad for their health.

        Almost half of all doctors in China are chronic smokers, according to a report on The Huffington Post.

        Prog ya just half to laugh at the Nazis trying to conquer the cultural reality of smoking. Even here in the states the smoking rates are going up.

  8. Rose says:

    Presumably as the usual state for the average person is to feel perfectly well with perhaps the odd minor niggle (I have wrenched a muscle in my left shoulder) to gain any credence the relentless tide of health scares has to be bundled up and projected into the future.

    Middle-aged to be told ‘brain age’ in war on dementia

    “Middle-aged people will be screened by GPs for their risk of dementia and told how their “brain age” compares to their biological age, under new plans to “scare” people into adopting healthier lifestyles.”

    “Officials behind the idea say they hope the warning will encourage people to make major changes in their lifestyle, which will reduce their chance of dementia.

    But critics said the plans were “heavy-handed and intrusive” and would frighten millions of people – without giving them an accurate forecast of their true risk of dementia.”

    “The computer-based test will be piloted by GPs in the next few months, and if successful, will be rolled out to practices across England.”

    “He said officials hoped to harness the public’s fear of dementia to make people take action to reduce their risk.

    Dr Alessi, said: “Dementia is going through that phase where people are very scared of it – but you can use the fact they are willing to change their behaviour because they are scared of it to enable to make that change take place.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11203786/Middle-aged-to-be-told-brain-age-in-war-on-dementia.html

    “Leading doctors said the initiative was an “ethical travesty” but officials insisted the scheme was necessary to boost low rates of diagnosis in this country, with just half of patients with dementia receiving a diagnosis.”

    Anger over ‘cash for diagnoses’ dementia plan

    “A new scheme to pay family doctors £55 for every case of dementia diagnosed has been condemned as an ‘ethical travesty’, with fears the rewards could cloud GPs’ judgement”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11177632/Anger-over-cash-for-diagnoses-dementia-plan.html

    Previously

    Dementia research funding to be doubled by 2025, says David Cameron – 2013

    “The UK government is to double funding for dementia research by 2025 and make available on the NHS a scan that can rule out Alzheimer’s disease, David Cameron announced as a G8 summit began in London.

    The prime minister has invited health chiefs from the world’s richest countries to the UK to discuss what to do about dementia, with the number of sufferers predicted to treble to 135 million globally by 2050.”
    http: //www.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/11/dementia-research-doubled-david-cameron-alzheimers-nhs

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

    Medicine too, it would seem.

    I am now off to buy a small cake, it will have no unknown additives, the very best of ingredients, it will have been hand made and decorated and will be fairly expensive, it will do me nothing but good and will undoubtedly increase my general happiness.

    • prog says:

      The eldery are of great concern to TPTB – there are simply too many useless people bleeding valuable NHS resources that could spent on the more deserving. I think many of the bean counters and healthists would love to see euthanasia as a major part of treatment. It’s only a matter of time before this is seriously suggested. It’s kinda already started.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Unfortunately here it seems we are getting a pneumonia outbreak early on with the folks especially elderly. 2 hospitalized yesterday and one a good friend and his stupid family buys the COPD BS somebody said to them about their dad who is 77 and still smokes a pack a day. I talked to him and a week ago he was fine and then bam he gets a cold in his head and moves to his chest………….Then all of a sudden ITS COPD! I tolf Richard who also smokes dude it aint the smoking he has a VIRUS! It will pass and he will be back up and running soon…….. So quit buying the BS.

        I asked him what do you know about copd anyway…………he said nothing really I said its a generic term given to lung ailments of an unknown cause.

        He scratched his head and said so if Pop just got this it cant be copd as that’s an ongoing lung problem that doesn’t or isn’t suppose to get better……….

        It appears to me no matter what the actual cause is if somebody hears oh they smoke its automatically labelled mystical COPD…………..Then we they get better and go home did they change the diagnosis to just recoverable pneumonia……….

        Of course they didn’t,thatd mess up their statistic then!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      So they are reinventing a new disease dementia………….Paid to make it become reality!

      Just how low can an idiot get.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Dr Alessi, said: “Dementia is going through that phase where people are very scared of it – but you can use the fact they are willing to change their behaviour because they are scared of it to enable to make that change take place.”

      Nothing new then? And they haven’t a clue what causes dementia, or how to prevent it or cure it. So they’re just screwing people around.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Do not forget the £55 a GP gets for diagnosing dementia!!

        Can we REALLY prevent dementia? I doubt it. Apart from that, I’d rather NOT be swamped with “prevention measures”!
        People live longer these days and with that dementia is on the increase. Tobacco Control et al is in the business of leaning on politicians for more smoking bans; after all, without these bans ‘we die 10 years earlier’.
        Of course we don’t die 10 years earlier; politicians would be much more resilient to the anti-smokers’ demands if this was the case. Basic maths is sufficient for working out HOW MUCH my supposed 10 years longer life if I’d give up smoking would cost the government.

        • Jay says:

          I think we’ve all wondered why on earth HMG wants us to live longer when – at least in the UK – we can’t financially support the increasing ageing population – then I came up with the answer (possibly!) Pensioners – at least those with the decent private pensions that younger people won’t enjoy in the future – pay tax, then when they have to go into care their assets are stripped from them to pay for it but they are subsidising those whose assets (less than £23k) qualify them for ‘free’ care, ‘free’ because it isn’t really – their state pensions are taken by the government to pay towards their care. Many retired people in the UK these days also act as child minders of the grandchildren thereby removing the disincentive for the mother to work and providing HMG with the second household income to tax. So, the elderly, as a population, are actually net contributors to the treasury. The fly in the ointment is dementia since people can live with it in care for many years and if their assets are seriously used up in fees then there is less for them to pass to their children and a couple of generations later you have an ageing population who have no assets to tax and take. But by then it’ll be your civic responsibility to agree to assisted dying if you’re in that position.

          HMG knows a helluva lot about us – I’m sure that if you gave them skeleton info eg ‘Mr/Mrs Bloggs, aged 72 years, married for 50 years, two children, live in a 1960s , three-bedroomed semi in Barnsley’ in five minutes HMG would accurately conclude how much they spent on utilities, the cost of a week’s shopping, what was in the shopping basket, where they shop for clothes and how much they spend etc etc.

        • prog says:

          ‘The fly in the ointment is dementia since people can live with it in care for many years and if their assets are seriously used up in fees then there is less for them to pass to their children and a couple of generations later you have an ageing population who have no assets to tax and take. But by then it’ll be your civic responsibility to agree to assisted dying if you’re in that position.’

          Yes, but if property is sold off to pay for care the process starts anew – other poor buggers will spent most of their working lives paying off huge mortgages only to be asset stripped when they need care in old age. In effect, a substantial amount of mortgage payments (and savings) will be a form of health insurance. A merry go round.

          Then there’s this (mortgage payments will come out of take home pay)…

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10106437/Revealed-how-much-you-pay-towards-benefit-bill.html

  9. Pat Glass says:

    Smoking seems to be the major concern of the western world, more to be feared than Ebola or anything else. It also seems that the deep pockets of tobacco control light up absolutely everybody on the planet. Minus the handful of us who don’t get paid and would refuse it anyway.

    • beobrigitte says:

      Smoking seems to be the major concern of the western world, more to be feared than Ebola or anything else.

      That does remind me of something: NEVER let the WHO forget WASTING $1.6 for caviar etc. in Moscow when MSF called for help.

      There is very little in the news theses days about Ebola. The WHO has taken command. And it is working on implementing these in Moscow decided “laws” when the Ebola EPIDEMIC/PANDEMIC disappears from our view.

      Lest NEVER forget how many people in West Africa the WHO condemned to certain death whilst deciding what next to do to SMOKERS and of lately, VAPERS!!!!

      COP6 – a memorable event!

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just saw on Bloomberg news Merkel is ready to accept the U.K. LEAVING the EU!

    Seems Cameron wants to start deporting immigrants with no jobs for a change and in America all the political polls are showing republicans winning the Senate. Owebamas stumping speech stops all a total failure as they tried and hide the lack of attendance in a basketball auditorium by curtaining off 1/4th of the gym to try and show more folks attending his stop over………..The ones who were in the crowd were the ones he brought with him in a bus convoy!

  11. Rose says:

    Today keeps getting better

    Short men more likely to die from dementia, Edinburgh University finds

    “The association between height and dementia death remained when we took into account early life or adult socio-economic status and other relevant factors, including obesity, smoking, cardiovascular disease risk factors, and longstanding illness.”

    “The association between height and dementia death remained when we took into account early life or adult socio-economic status and other relevant factors, including obesity, smoking, cardiovascular disease risk factors, and longstanding illness.”

    “A gap of 2.8 inches (7.3cm) between any height also raised the risk by 24 per cent. So, for example, a man who was 6ft would be 24 per cent less likely to die from dementia than a man of 5ft 9 inches.

    For women the association was not as great, but there was still a 35 per cent increased risk of developing dementia for women who were 5ft 1ins (156cm) compared with those who were 5ft 4ins. (165cm)

    A gap of 2.6 inches (6.8cm) between any height raised the risk by 13 per cent.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/11205288/Short-men-more-likely-to-die-from-dementia-Edinburgh-University-finds.html

    5ft 8½ if you are wondering.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Short men more likely to die from dementia, Edinburgh University finds

      That’s a bit like phrenology.

      Soon they’ll have brought back astrology, and people born in Libra with Jupiter rising and Mercury combust are more likely to suffer from chronic lunacy.

      In fact, come to think of it, modern lifestyle healthism is indeed a form of astrology, in which tobacco, alcohol, sugar, salt, fat, etc, etc, are all like planets exercising influence. And if you have a “grand conjunction” of tobacco, alcohol, and sugar in one of the houses, it is a very ill omen indeed.

      • nisakiman says:

        Heh! I like that!

        …if you have a “grand conjunction” of tobacco, alcohol, and sugar in one of the houses, it is a very ill omen indeed.

        I will probably (quite shamelessly) steal that from you sometime in the future, Frank! But with credit given, of course. :)

      • Rose says:

        That’s a bit like phrenology

        The first thing I thought of on reading that story.

      • beobrigitte says:

        In fact, come to think of it, modern lifestyle healthism is indeed a form of astrology, in which tobacco, alcohol, sugar, salt, fat, etc, etc, are all like planets exercising influence.

        Indeed! Anyone with (a) Mars (bar) up their own arse in the first house has to be a rabid anti-smoker!

    • smokingscot says:

      Walking example:

      Michael Bloomberg. 1.73 m or 5′ 8″.

      http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/michael-bloomberg-net-worth/

      Been bonkers for years.

  12. harleyrider1978 says:

    Taxpayer-Funded Florida College Gave Students SCRIPTED ANSWERS For Scott-Crist Debate

    Taxpayer-Funded Florida College Gave Students SCRIPTED ANSWERS For Scott-Crist Debate

    Students who attended the Oct. 15 debate between Florida gubernatorial candidates Republican Gov. Rick Scott and Democrat Charlie Crist on the…

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/03/taxpayer-funded-florida-college-gave-students-scripted-answers-for-scott-crist-debate/

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    Angela Merkel warns David Cameron over freedom of movement

    German chancellor rejects UK prime minister’s demands for a cap on unskilled migrants, according to Der Spiegel newspaper

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/02/angela-merkel-warns-david-cameron-german-chancellor-uk-prime-minister-unskilled-migrants

    • beobrigitte says:

      There is a lot more than Merkel and Cameron to the dictatorship of EU. I cannot see Cameron being kind of “threatening” to Brussels. Farage, as a lose canon, however, is.

      The EU and Cameron will come to a sort of agreement: Britain will have to pay the by now 2 billion Euros and keep the borders open for all European immigrants. NONE of the Europeans has told the British that excessive burocracy prevents prospective immigrants from ‘going-for-benefit’.
      Let’s face it; immigrants hard up go to find work – in Britain (and the rest of the EU!!) they will get slave work – and they’ll take it; cutting Brits who need at least the legal minimum wage to support their families out.
      One of my offspring got a job for one season (when in University) picking tomatoes. He HATES tomatoes but for him it was the minimum wage. He was distraught to find out that his polish colleage was on half the money. Much to his surprise he found himself being put “in charge” of these workers.
      I am glad to say that innovation in my family is highly regarded; my son most certainly learned all there is about tomatoes and then went for their employers’ shortsightedness.

      I believe Farage is something the EU dictatorship finds hard to deal with. And, yes, the establishment as is wishes to avoid dealing with him.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

  14. beobrigitte says:

    In China, when I open a pack of cigarettes, twenty lighters are held to my face by expectant pedestrians. For some reason people seem to want me to smoke. Maybe it’s because they can see that as an adult I’ve decided to buy a perfectly legal product.

    I actually did hear (from a fellow airplane passenger who frequents China) that smoking is NOT an issue in China. People just continue to light up and enjoy a variety of venues, all providing ashtrays.
    China has for many years been classed as “vastly overpopulated” – to the point of the one child policy being dictated. Again, much to my surprise, I was told that there are families with more than one child!
    There are laws – there are ways around them.
    It seems that we, the “progressive”, “productive” countries have lost a few abilities, innovation and originality amongst them.
    Fearmongering still works….. At least with the ‘first’ world.

  15. harleyrider1978 says:

    Miliband’s Approval Ratings Hit All-Time Low

    Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper defends Ed Miliband’s leadership as a poll shows he is even more unpopular than Nick Clegg.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1365302/milibands-approval-ratings-hit-all-time-low

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Ed Milliban just endorsed Nigel Farage as the next Prime Minister……………then poor milliban blew his brains out in the Hitler Bunker!

  16. Rach says:

    I left China and arrived back in the UK on 8th July 2007. I’d been living there for 4 years. Little did I realise I’d left one free country to arrive in a totalitarian one.

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