Antismoking Zealotry, Ebola Complacency

People are starting to compare antismoking zealotry with complacency about Ebola.

Example 1: H/T Harley for a Newsmax interview of Dr Jane Orient, the last part of which I’ve transcribed.

Newsmax: Doctor, do you think they know what they’re doing? Does he [Frieden] know what he’s doing? I mean, this is the guy who wanted soda banned, sixteen ounces or more in NYC, because it was a health threat. This is a guy who says you can’t pass by someone in the street, even one, smoking a cigarette because it’s a health hazard. Does he know what he’s doing here with this?

Dr. Jane Orient: That’s a good question, and I don’t think you can really answer it. Maybe he knows what he’s doing, and that’s exactly what he wants to do. But certainly if you look at the precautions against secondhand smoke, which are absurd… I mean, the hazards of secondhand smoke, unless you’re just sensitive to it and it bothers you, are really non-existent. And yet all of this defence in depth against, and expensive restrictions against these non-hazards – and a pathogenic, lethal organism that can infect you with one to ten particles we’re so cavalier about, this just really does not make sense.

Newsmax: You talked about this with me a week ago, but you’ve made some other statements recently. Where are we on droplets? Explain droplets, how they could possibly infect someone with Ebola. Is that airborne you’re talking about?

Dr. Jane Orient: Well, I guess your body fluids have to go through the air unless you touch somebody. You generate an aerosol if you cough or sneeze or vomit or have explosive diareohea, and it makes droplets of different sizes. The ones that are really, really tiny can get through your mask, around your mask, down into your lungs, and they do have receptors for the target cells down in your lungs. And the question I think they’re relying on is that the virus does not survive being dried down to a particle of that size. But there’s experimental evidence that it can survive for as long as 90 minutes on one of those droplets.

Newmax: So it is transmissible through the air in your opinion right now?

Dr. Jane Orient: Theoretically it certainly is. We cannot rule it out. Epidemiologically, if you look at how people got the Ebola, it doesn’t seem to be very important, but just because it’s inefficient… (interview ends)

More and more people seem to be coming round to the idea that there is an airborne route for Ebola.

Anyway, example 2: H/T mntvernon for a piece by Ian Birrell in the Independent:

The most egregious failure is that of the World Health Organisation, the United Nations body meant to show leadership on such matters. It seems incredible that when MSF first warned Ebola was getting out of control in April, it was rebuked on social media by a WHO spokesman. Two months later the spread and scale of the epidemic was obvious to experts – yet it took two more months for this inept organisation to finally concede there was an international health emergency. It blames local officials – yet even last week its boss spent the week discussing tobacco taxes in Russia rather than tackling the crisis.

Heads should roll for such failures. But do not hold your breath, given how the arrogant UN still refuses to apologise for cholera spreading to Haiti after the 2010 earthquake, which has so far killed 9,000 people. Now its officials are berating countries for ignoring what has become a global security threat, although this is partly a consequence of their own fatally slow response that delayed more rapid deployment of resources.

The BBC puts a different spin on it, of course:

The World Health Organization (WHO) is the world’s biggest, most important public health body that has had major successes.

It has ensured that millions of children worldwide are free from the danger of polio.

It runs huge programmes aimed at combating HIV/Aids, malaria and tuberculosis, and its Framework Convention on Tobacco Control is ensuring that countries are banning smoking in public places and clamping down on tobacco advertising.

But when it comes to a sudden new health threat, or a danger in an unexpected region, many say the WHO does not really deliver.

That portrays Tobacco Control measures as one of the “major successes” of the WHO. And it portrays Ebola as a “new” health threat, when actually it was discovered way back in 1976. The “unexpected region” line is straight out of the WHO’s ebola excuses playbook, but it makes no sense at all. The 1976 outbreak was in Nzara, South Sudan, which is a sub-Saharan country on the same latitude and on the same continent as Guinea and Liberia and Sierra Leone, where the current epidemic is raging. So isn’t that where you’d expect future outbreaks to appear? The map below from Wikipedia shows the spread of Ebola from 1976 to 2009:


And there had already been an outbreak (Tai Forest, Cote d’Ivoire) in the “unexpected region” in 1994, fully 20 years ago. And Ebola has been marching steadily west and south for the past 40 years. And the outbreaks have been getting larger and more frequent.

But under the leadership of Gro Harlem Brundtland, the WHO was giving priority to rolling out the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, and fighting against the non-existent “global tobacco epidemic.” And, judging from the FCTC conference in Moscow last week, that’s still where its priorities lie.


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21 Responses to Antismoking Zealotry, Ebola Complacency

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    The most egregious failure is that of the World Health Organisation, the United Nations body meant to show leadership on such matters.

    Isnt it sweet to see them being bombarded. Theyre entire reason for being is a Farce and they meaning the progressive socialists that have been running the UN and WHO for generations tossed out their charters mandates to instead persue using all its International powers of the Medical and Financial institututions to force thru the new world order they desired to have…….

    Breaking up the world into UN SECTORS and the EU being the test baby for the rest to follow.

    Even the one world currency they were dreaming up:

    Their Plan, New World Order, One World Currency, U.N. Gun … › Education

    Jan 05, 2013 · … put in place a One World Currency, … The new currency will be controlled by a One World … there are thousands of United Nations soldiers and …


    The United Nations: On the Brink of Becoming a World …

    … or for ‘world government’ or for ‘world federation,’ which … A global currency would allow … when the United Nations hosted its first World Summit on …

    This is what weve been fighting when fighting smoking bans as we have seen everything depended on the success or failure of the anti-tobacco treaty and laws. It was the outline to attack everything else by.

    That’s why all of us fighting that one battle may well have saved the world from total domination.

    Not to leave out those who fought against the Hockey Stick idiots on global warming as that too was one of theyre main goals to force the big boyz into submission under the guise of saving he planet and with Green rules aka EPA regulations that have destroyed Americas manufacturing to the Core. American jobs today are service industry oriented or basically menial Hospitality Industry work or short work wharehouse staffing jobs. Then thaks to ZEROCARE companies cut these jobs to at or below 24 hours a week basically taking a 40 hour job and making 2 20 hour jobs out of it so they didn’t get penalized by the ZEROCARE law…………

    Yes indeed fighting anti-tobacco had deeper ramifications than any of us ever truly thought!

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Only from the Nazis would such Insanity become a study………….lol

      UCSF Study Links Soda To Premature Aging, Disease, Early Death

      SAN FRANCISCO (CBS) — A new study looked at whether America’s thirst for soda speeds up how the body’s cells age.

      Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco used a sample of 5300 healthy adults. Dr. Elissa Epel worked on the study for 5 years.

      “We think we can get away with drinking lots of soda as long as we are not gaining weight, but this suggests that there is an invisible pathway that leads to accelerated aging, regardless of weight,” said Dr. Epel

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts

        A diet rich in fruit and vegetables may harm fertility, say researchers at Loma Linda University Medical School

        • smokervoter says:

          I once actually spent a good half an hour perusing an online seismic map of San Francisco trying to find out if there was a super active, uber deadly earthquake fault located directly under UCSF. Unfortunately not quite, but not far away is an orange zone. Close, but no cigar.

          That’s odd, Loma Linda University Medical School is a world renowned Seventh Day Adventist hospital a stones throw away. They invented the Vege-Burger, the butt of many a joke round here. They taste awful. When I drive through there on surface streets I make a point of rolling down my window while very conspicuously smoking a cigarette in order to better share the love with all of the vegetarian, teetotal, tobacco abstaining brethren that call Loma Linda their little slice of heaven.

      • They’ll want to take out the sugar and replace it with aspartame so that the cases of neurological and mental disorders, like depression, Alzheimer’s and autism continue to increase, not to mention cancers and many other diseases allegedly caused by this poison. It can even be the cause of obesity.

        • smokervoter says:

          I noticed a long time ago that using the real thang in my coffee gave me a temporary sugar rush that would wear off and a leave me feeling a little shaky. So I’ve been using various artificial sweetener packets ever since, depending on which was the low bidder at the time, with absolutely no ill effects whatsoever. I know one brand that’s pink uses saccharine and there’s one that’s yellow that uses something or other and then there’s the blue ones, too. No ill effects whatsoever. Maybe I’m just lucky, eh?. Or living on borrowed time?

          Sorry Stewart, I like you and very much enjoy reading your opinions, but in my book – Dr. Mercola is a joke.

        • Smokervoter – I like you too and similarly enjoy reading your opinions, but in my book – Dr. Mercola is – an unknown! I picked that as it was a nice graphic and I have read that at least 2/3rds of all complaints to the FDA over many years have been about aspartame.

          Of all the things I warn people about, it’s the one which most go with and avoid it. I used to drink gallons of cheap soft drinks (as we call ‘soda’) with no sugar, just aspartame and other artificial sweeteners and I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary happening, but I don’t know what damage has been done, if any. It might help explain the huge increases in cases of certain conditions. I don’t think it’s worth taking the chance. My diet is terrible as it is. Our fortnightly recycling bins have just been taken away and the paper and cardboard box contained seven pizza boxes, the contents of which had all been eaten by me (the dog getting the crusts).

        • Rose says:

          If it hasn’t been around for at least 300 years and in recogniseable form, I prefer to give it a miss, after all it’s too soon to be sure.

          I’ll stick with sugar.

          However, I am impressed by the provenance of Stevia.

          “The plant Stevia rebaudiana has been used for more than 1,500 years by the Guaraní peoples of South America, who called it ka’a he’ê (“sweet herb”).[11] The leaves have been traditionally used for hundreds of years in both Brazil and Paraguay to sweeten local teas and medicines, and as a “sweet treat”

          But that’s just the green leaf, not after it’s been tampered with commercially.

          I’ve got a pot of it growing in my garden as a curiosity.

        • beobrigitte says:

          I’ll stick with sugar.

          Thanks, Rose, me, too.
          As for these so-called “hidden” sugars; my tastebuds will detect (and often enjoy) them! At the end of the day it is up to me how much so-called junk food (that includes these british bake off cakes etc.) I buy and stuff into my face, isn’t it? MY CHOICE!
          And if a government turns up and tells me that I am INCAPABLE of making a healthist pleasing choice I vote for someone else next time the election comes round.

          I am an adult making my own choices. Deal with it.

      • carol2000 says:

        Cytomegalovirus infection reduces telomere length of the circulating T cell pool. PJ van de Berg, SJ Griffiths, SL Yong, R Macaulay, FJ Bemelman, S Jackson, SM Henson, IJ en Berge, AN Akbar, RA van Lier. J Immunol 2010 Apr 1;184(7):3417-3423. “After primary CMV infection, we observed an increase in highly differentiated cells that coincided with a steep drop in telomere length. Moreover, we found in a cohort of 159 healthy individuals that telomere shortening was more rapid in CMV-seropositive individuals and correlated with the amount of differentiated T cells in both CD4(+) T cells and CD8(+) T cells. Finally, we found that telomere length measured in blood leukocytes is correlated with lymphocyte telomere length.”

  2. Rose says:

    Lord save us from single issue fanatics.

    Tripling in children suffering Vitamin D deficiency

    “In the UK, sunlight between November and March is short of ultraviolet B radiation, meaning stocks from the body’s stores and food sources.

    Earlier this year, guidance from the National Institute for Health and care Excellence (Nice) said one in five Britons may now be deficient.

    Experts said some of the recent rise could be attributed to increased testing of Vitamin D levels among those admitted to hospitals for other reasons.

    But they said they were concerned that many people were not aware of the importance of the vitamin, and the risks caused by deficiencies.”

    Keeping out of the sun ‘is bringing rickets back’ as cases increase fivefold in 14 years


    “Better nutrition had all but wiped out rickets, which was common in 19th century Britain, but rates have started to rise in the last decade. It is still a major problem in the third world.

    Some experts blame its return on parents’ increasing fear of skin cancer, which encourages them to smother their children in sun cream and keep them out of the sun.”

    “Gillian Killiner, of the British Dietetic Association, said: ‘We have taken it for granted that skin cancer is the big one and overlooked the Vitamin D side.

    ‘Children are covered up with sunblock, t-shirts and hats, and that can be important – but perhaps we’ve pushed it too far.

    ‘We don’t have a lot of sun in this country, and in winter you are likely to be lacking in Vitamin D.

    ‘If you haven’t built enough up over summer, that’s going to be a certainty.”

    perhaps we’ve pushed it too far

    Yes, but introducing the “Slip, Slap, Slop” campaign from the burning sun of Australia into the rainy island of Great Britain and solemnly petrifying it’s parents was too much to resist, wasn’t it?

    • beobrigitte says:

      Yes, but introducing the “Slip, Slap, Slop” campaign from the burning sun of Australia into the rainy island of Great Britain and solemnly petrifying it’s parents was too much to resist, wasn’t it?

      Common sense was the first victim in these we-need-health enforcing group of very scared people.
      Talking about Vitamin D – I believe we smokers have been forced to build up a good supply of Vitamin D; after all, we had a lovely, sunny summer that lasted until a few weeks ago. I sure did spend a lot of time in the sun in my breaks and time off work. Beer gardens – hastily created by pubs that needs customers were a definite winner!!! Sunblock? Sunwhat????

  3. harleyrider1978 says:

    The University Of New Orleans’ Cigarette Ban Is Total BS

    The Louisiana university has turned into a nanny state, issuing a campus smoking ban of dubious legality.

    We are all familiar with the “nanny state.” Now, at the University of New Orleans, we have a “nanny university.” As of this semester, our university president has circumvented state law and dictated where legal-age adults can and cannot smoke cigarettes. But don’t worry—this is for our own personal health and safety, which we students are, of course, utterly incapable of handling on our own.

    “The University of New Orleans [UNO] is committed to providing a healthy and comfortable environment,” President Peter J. Fos of UNO told local news stations in July, as he explained the reason for the school’s new tobacco-free policy. “We understand that this initial awareness phase is important in building understanding of the new policy and encouraging compliance. We are confident of the immediate and long-term benefits for our faculty, staff and students.”

    This official school policy of apparently saving 21-year old adults from themselves was implemented on campus on August 1. Before this new era of university decrees in the name of students’ best interests, it was typical for many undergrads to smoke in between classes, during lunch, and in general whenever the moment presented itself. And while it was indeed annoying to have second-hand smoking blast people in the face with clouds of tobacco, it was never so unbearable as to require the wholesale deprivation of students’civil liberties on campus.

    This entire ordeal reeksof bureaucratic overreach.

    No one will argue cigarettes are healthy, but students are angry that the university has granted few options to those who choose to smoke. In UNO’s school newspaper, The Driftwood, one anonymous student wrote,“Ponchatrain Hall [a dormitory] smokers should be granted [at least] the benches as a very strict designated smoking area for reasons of safety.” UNO puts such an onus on smoking students that it ultimately seems like a bully, even more than a nanny. That same writer noted that campus police “decided to stop and force us across the street” outside campus borders to smoke because “UNO owns the sidewalk too.”

    This entire ordeal reeks of bureaucratic overreach being bandied about in the name of “let-us-save-the-children” politics. But regardless of the university’s ostensibly good intentions, the exigencies of public health cannot supersede protecting the rights of students on campus. Indeed, eroding civil liberties in the name of health benefits creates a slippery slope of forfeiting rights for physical fitness—something which the university has no jurisdiction over.

    Louisiana state law—contrary to what UNO official policy claims—affirms this fact.

    UNO’s administrative documents claim use of tobacco products on university grounds, including in private vehicles, is punishable by citation or fine as per Louisiana state law.

    But there are critical contradictions between Louisiana state law and UNO policy. For example, Louisiana law actually ensures that the prohibition of smoking in private vehicles is illegal (unless it is used to transport children or for daycare purposes). UNO currently bans students from smoking in their own cars on campus, despite the fact that it has no legal grounds to do so.

    Perhaps even more problematic is that legal enforcement of the policy itself is a Sisyphean task; there is no way it can be done. Louisiana law states: “Public post secondary education institutions shall develop smoke-free policies for its campuses.” The key word here is policies. Policy entails what is done consistently over time to cultivate an environment of compliance with a goal or strategy; law is what officers must legallycomply with—a semantic detail but one of great significance.

    As reported in by Louisiana State University’s police department, officers cannot actually enforce school policy. “Law enforcement enforces law, not policy, and as of now, there are no laws making smoking illegal or worthy of penalty,” Captain Cory Lalonde of LSU said.

    But perhaps President Fos knows this. It would explain why he suggests the university go about“encouraging compliance,” because its police department certainly cannot enforce a legal penalty for not complying. (Of course, President Fos does not admit this.) The police can’t technically do anything. As for a violation of any school policy, a student is “subject to appropriate disciplinary action.”

    But the ambiguity of “appropriate disciplinary action” is what is so frightening about the smoking ban. Those “disciplinary actions” can encompass a range of penalties, including the loss of scholarship money to expulsion from the university. The university claims students can face a citation or fine for violating the UNO smoking prohibition. This is not the case, but the reality is worse: losing access to a diploma and getting kicked out of school.

    All of this should make us pause to consider the prospect at hand: Public smoking is legal in the state of Louisiana, yet if you’re a student, taking a few steps onto a public campus automatically forces you to forfeit that right. Is this sudden change in landscape from neutral ground to secondary school grounds of such enormous relevance that policy makers have the right to tamper with students’ civil liberties? In this case, there is a thin line between enriching one’s health and encroaching upon one’s rights, but the former is never worth the cost of the latter.

    • beobrigitte says:

      There is a quick cure for the anti-smoking lark: Students are the customers of universities (remind me of the tuition fees, how much/year exactly?) – a minimal number of students provides a minimal income for the university.
      (This is also something for British students to think about; 1 year of very few places being taken up [ at £3000 to £9000/semester will reduce your long term debt which prevents you from getting a mortgage anywhere!!)

  4. beobrigitte says:

    People are starting to compare antismoking zealotry with complacency about Ebola.

    To say ‘compare’ is not quite right; I’d say ASSOCIATE: People are starting to associate antismoking zealotry with complacency about Ebola.

    The WHO is announcing, fanfares in the background, that Nigeria is now free from Ebola and pads itself on the back, ready to push for tobacco pricing and more smoker exclusion zones than we already have.

    1. The number of Ebola cases in Nigeria.
    Nigeria’s outbreak started in July when Patrick Sawyer, an American of Liberian descent, traveled by air from Liberia to Lagos, the country’s biggest city, starting a chain of infection that spread the disease to 19 other people and resulted in eight deaths.

    Well, the same could have happened in Liberia and Sierra Leone if the WHO didn’t have this FCTC meeting in Moskow to attend.

    2. The number of Ebola cases in Liberia.
    Does WHO acknowledge that the numbers are too low?

    Absolutely. In August, it said that the reported numbers “vastly underestimate” the epidemic’s magnitude. WHO’s situation updates frequently point out gaps in the data. The 8 October update, for instance, noted that there had been a fall in cases in Liberia the previous 3 weeks, but this was “unlikely to be genuine,” the report said. “Rather, it reflects a deterioration in the ability of overwhelmed responders to record accurate epidemiological data. It is clear from field reports and first responders that [Ebola] cases are being under-reported from several key locations, and laboratory data that have not yet been integrated into official estimates indicate an increase in the number of new cases in Liberia.”

    There was plenty of time to postpone the FCTC ‘conference’ (held in secrecy); nevertheless, it went ahead from 13 to 18 October 2014 in Moscow. Priorities….

    • Some French bloke says:

      (NaturalNews) Efforts to bring natural Ebola treatments to suffering West Africans have been squelched by the World Health Organization (WHO), which recently blocked multiple shipments of nanosilver solution measuring at 10 parts per million (ppm) from entering the region, leaving thousands to suffer needlessly.

      • beobrigitte says:

        There isn’t much to find about this silver treatment, however, I did stumble across this:


        • “Ebola virus, specifically, is inactivated/neutralized by the application of Nano Silver 10 PPM…. It cannot invade cells to force them to reproduce it. The nutrient appears to regulate cell wall permeability, so the virus cannot penetrate the cell membrane.”

        needs to be explained far better; to me this utter nonsense!

        • Some French bloke says:

          From the last paragraph of this Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) letter: The FTC strongly urges you to review all claims for your products and ensure that those claims are supported by competent and reliable scientific evidence.

          If only the DHHS would care to pass the recommendation along to all its agencies (that includes the CDC, the NIH, and the FDA), and to the Office of the Surgeon General, that would no doubt lead to the severance of all ties between themselves (notably the FDA) and ‘Big Pharma’, and to put an end to the anti-smoking crusade and its endless decades of weapons-grade brainwashing, persecution, and over-taxation for hundreds of millions of people!

        • beobrigitte says:

          The FTC strongly urges you to review all claims for your products and ensure that those claims are supported by competent and reliable scientific evidence.

          Here we do have a problem: ONLY truly INDEPENDENT research can be deemed as reliable. It does not exist nowadays. No truth seekers amongst those who feel they need to donate their cash because it makes them feel good.

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