Octabber Again

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Another October, another Pat Nurse Octabber:

Here we are again. Now in it’s third year, Stoptober, Nanny’s do as we say October campaign is back again in a bid to force us all into the perfect size 10, non drinking, non smoking, tofu-eating, water-supping perfect human specimens to, presumably, ensure we can become 150 year old burdens on society…

But Stoptober now has an ugly sister, Sober October.

The benefits of Going Sober For October

Taking a month off the booze can have many potential benefits. Just imagine what you could achieve without a hangover!

By having 31 gloriously hangover-free days you’ll not only be raising lots of money to help people with cancer, you’ll also be doing oodles of good for your own health. Together with a few small improvements to your diet and exercise routine you could expect to experience a range of the following:

Increased energy levels, higher productivity

Clearer head

No more hangovers

Sleeping better / snoring less

Weight loss

Clearer skin

Healthier bank balance / Save money

Sense of achievement

Fresh approach to alcohol consumption

Generally feel healthier

Doing something positive for a good cause

“Hangover-free” is, I suppose, the alcoholic equivalent of “smoke-free”. But I hardly ever suffer from hangovers, because I seldom drink enough to get one.

And also, I wouldn’t sleep better: a shot of whisky is my usual nightcap.

And I’m thin enough already that any weight loss would make me skeletal.

But, apart from that, it’s the shallow, empty pretence that self-denial is somehow ‘fun’, and can give people a ‘sense of achievement’, and entails ‘doing something positive’.

It’s all just a fundraising drive for Macmillan Cancer Support.

So thank you for taking part in Go Sober, raising a glass (of water) and standing proudly beside people facing cancer. Your support will mean Macmillan can be there so that even more people don’t have to face cancer alone.

You won’t actually be ‘standing beside’ people facing cancer alone, of course.

And if they are facing cancer (or anything else) alone, it’ll probably be because, thanks to antismoking and anti-alcohol zealotry,  they’ve lost the supportive pub and cafe communities they once had.

H/T Vapingpoint Liz, I just found the Stop Stoptober image. Perfect.

 

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47 Responses to Octabber Again

  1. jaxthefirst says:

    But, but, but … don’t they realise that all of these things (including hangovers, probably) are only ever caused by wicked, wicked smokeeeeng?? Nothing like trying to steal the thunder from one’s opponents, I guess. I wonder how long before some Tobacco Control drone starts shouting “foul!”

  2. Some other Tom says:

    “…it’s the shallow, empty pretence that self-denial is somehow ‘fun’…”

    That sums it all up in a nutshell! Lovely!

    As for a drink and a smoke, that is my religion, my sacred rite, my communion with the fruits of the earth, the wind, and fire.

  3. Millions of people do have a serious drink problem in this country. My own family has suffered more than its fair share, including death – including almost my own death at least three times – and serious accidents.

    I’m sure MacMillan does an admirable job. It’s probably one of the few charities that genuinely deserves the name, but what does giving up drinking for a month have to do with them?

    It won’t influence the problem drinkers at all – the ones at added risk from the cancers associated with excessive alcohol consumption. They’re probably too busy drinking to even hear about it.

    Maybe if the initiative had come from Drinkaware – a ‘charity’ funded by the booze industry and supermarkets who really want you to buy less booze. I’m sure that the shops can’t help constantly offering loss-leaders on cases of 24 bottles of beer. It’s just an addiction they have.

    Can you imagine the Drinkaware ‘charity’ inviting you to stop buying their product for a month? So why MacMillan? It looks like another gimmicky thingy. It rhymes and it will rake in some money.

    This handy (not) guide in The Telegraph on How to survive Stoptober and Sober October basically says eat more, go the the gym and watch DVDs, although vaping is allowed, according to the writer. Most of my films are oldies, with actors like Humphrey Bogart, so they are filled from start to finish with smoking and drinking.

    Alcoholism is a dreadful disease and Sober October will appeal only to those for whom drinking is not a major problem anyway. This seems too flippant to me. Just another play-along activity for ‘adults’ to get excited about. More infantilising. More marshalling the public. More money collected, albeit probably for a good cause for a change, which our huge tax burden should be covering.

    • waltc says:

      Tho you’re right that people with real drinking problems won’t bother with this any more– or perhaps even less–than smokers would bother with the stop smoking part, it does seem to be aimed at heavy drinkers. Social drinkers don’t experience any of the “symptoms” it’ overtly promised that abstinence will cure, don’t need a “new approach to alcohol consumption” ( my present approach is just fine, thanks) and would experience no sense of accomplishment in engaging in a pointless exercise in self denial. Like smoking, drinking is a social relaxant, and if you really need to attribute Health to pleasure to justify it, it’s good for digestion, tension, insomnia, and arguably (it’s claimed) good for the heart. It’s also a hoot that they’re saying, Save money so you can give it to us. What (idiotic) gall.

      • I see what you mean, Walt… By having 31 gloriously hangover-free days… It sounds like quite an insult to nearly everyone.

        Well, I rarely had a hangover because as soon as I awoke I started drinking again!

        Drinking helped me relax in the early stages. When I became a full-blown alcoholic, the point at which I felt ‘normal’ after several drinks was euphoric. It didn’t last long. The problem in my family would appear to be genetic.

        • Bones says:

          Indeed, when my husband was a full-blown alcoholic his first actions upon waking was a cigarette and a tumbler of vodka, he was never sober long enough to have a hangover. (Thankfully he is 18 years sober).
          My observations are that giving up smoking actually worsens health and often times cancer follows. If ‘scientists’ use correlations and observations then I might as well join them.

    • Some French bloke says:

      “the ones at added risk from the cancers associated with excessive alcohol consumption”

      “Associated”… I’m not at all sure that alcohol has much to do with cancer risk (a possible exeption being cancers of the oral cavity): back in the 1960s, campaigns in the French media were claiming that 6,000 deaths/year could be pinned down to alcohol consumption, yet these days, in spite of a ± 60% decrease in alcohol consumption per head, we’re supposed to believe that booze ’causes’ 43 thousand deaths per year. In the meantime (from 1950 to 2010), liver cancer deaths shot up 38-fold in men, and soared 12-fold in women, only rates of cirrhosis of the liver have actually been receding.
      As to rates for cancers of the oral cavity, there’s been a moderate decrease in France since the 1980s, which the local anti-smoking zealots predictably attribute to smoking cessation (never mind that LC rates on the other hand have been hitting record levels in men, and especially women), while a corresponding *increase* has been recorded in nearby Britain, in spite of a much steeper decline in smoking prevalence.

      • carol2000 says:

        A lot of the liver cancers blamed on drinking are actually caused by hepatitis viruses B and C. If they fail to do enough tests, there are a lot of false negatives. People who drink, especially heavy drinkers, are more likely to have been infected, due to lifestyle things such as injection drug use.
        http://www.smokershistory.com/hepatiti.htm

        • beobrigitte says:

          Hepatitis B and C infection at any point in time is easily established. (Autoimmune reactions are not, less even what caused the production of this autoantibodies).

          The BBC also presented an “expert” this morning; he lamented that there are youngsters less than 30 who are on the liver transplant register due to their drinking.
          At this age they would have to have been comatose drunk 24/7 from the age of 12 to achieve such damage to their liver.

          The only thing this “expert” conceeded was that some people ‘somehow’ show liver damage doing what others do that do not show liver damage.
          Naturally, he did not (?was not allowed) to mention micro-organisms.

        • carol2000 says:

          The old way was to look for hepaitis B surface antigen (HBsAg) alone. Patients without HBsAg were considered HBV negative. It has now been shown to be necessary to look for the core antigen (HBcAg), and attempt to find HBV DNA in tissue samples as well, to more completely determine the presence of HBV infection. But those studies that blame smoking are based on only HBsAg status! And they either ignore HCV, or look for HCV only. But they don’t look for HCV DNA by reverse transcriptase PCR in patients who were negative for antibodies to HCV. Then, due to the high odds ratios for liver cancer associated with HBV and HCV, and the unequal distribution of exposure between smokers and nonsmokers, those false negatives result in a bogus risk from smoking.

        • Some French bloke says:

          According to the Global Health Observatory (a WHO database, I’m afraid) “Alcohol consumption is estimated to cause from 20% to 50% of cirrhosis of the liver”, which suggests that even in heavy-drinking countries, half or more of cases could be viral in origin.
          Of course, from a propagandist’s point of view, by simply substituting analogy for sound etiology, 100% of cases could be tagged as ‘alcohol-related’, in much the same way that many Mormons (and more and more non-smokers in general) are ‘somehow’ victims of ‘tobacco neoplasia’.

        • carol2000 says:

          Geographic Characterization of Hepatitis Virus Infections, Genotyping of Hepatitis B Virus, and p53 Mutation in Hepatocellular Carcinoma Analyzed by In Situ Detection of Viral Genomes from Carcinoma Tissues: Comparison among Six Different Countries. X Ding, YN Park, TC Taltavull, SN Thung, X Jin, Y Jin, NS Trung, Y Edamoto, T Sata, K Abe. Jpn J Infect Dis 2003 Feb;56(1):12-18. 449 patients with HCC. “HBV was the most prevalent in Korea (69.1%), China (66.1%), Vietnam (60.5%), and Spain (38.6%). In contrast, HCV was the most prevalent in Japan (59.8%) and in the United States (41.5%). Type C of HBV was the most common genotype (78.6%) encountered in HCC in these countries. Importantly, among 125 intrahepatic HBV DNA-positive patients, 44 (35.2%) were serologically negative for HBsAg (occult hepatitis B). Furthermore, 15.5% of HCC patients (9/58) who were negative for all HBV markers had intrahepatic HBV DNA.” “Based on PCR, immunohistochemical, serological, and clinical findings, 4.8% of HCC patients were diagnosed with non-B, non-C.” Markers of hepatitis viruses B and C were not found in only 6.2% of American cases, and about 5% overall. “Histological findings of non-B, non-C HCC showed that 81% of cases were accompanied by liver cirrhosis and 62.5% had chronic inflammatory cell infiltration in the portal tracts of nontumorous regions, which findings suggested persistent infection by unknown virus(es).”
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12711820

    • lleweton says:

      A nicely balanced piece, Stewart Cowan.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    Everything in excess and why,Life is to short to trifle with pleasures!

  5. caprizchka says:

    I thought I’d go celibate for October but then I realized I wasn’t wearing my glasses and so I decided to celebrate instead. :)

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  7. waltc says:

    They’re now saying the guy with Ebola took several different flights to get here, the last was from…I think they said Belgium. Google it if you care. Also say he may already have given it to up to 18 people and the CDC was forced to admit that it can be transmitted to anyone w/I 3 feet of the infected person. Story changes by the minute as they try to stem hysteria and cover their asses.

    • Frank Davis says:

      CDC ebola case definitions

      Emphasis added to “within 3 feet” or “within patient’s room for a long time”.

      A low risk exposure includes any of the following

      Household contact with an EVD patient

      Other close contact with EVD patients in health care facilities or community settings. Close contact is defined as

      being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time, (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations)

      having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.

      Brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute close contact

      • beobrigitte says:

        being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time, (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations)

        having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.

        I did watch the BBC News this morning; it did actually give the Ebola epidemic a 2 minute slot.
        I was gobsmacked to see yellow suite/protective glasses and surgical masks wearing people following (baffled/frightened looking) African people going about their business in a place that looked like an African village. Every step they took was covered with a spray, pumped from a bag strapped to the people wearing the yellow suites.

        If this (rather idiotic) coverage was supposed to provide reassurance it can safely be termed EPIC FAIL.
        Sadly, the African People featured are the ones who will receive nothing (other than disinfectant and paracetamol until the film crew moves on to another place to reassure the first world).

        Brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute close contact
        Not even if the person opposite you sneezes? No droplets there?

        Ok, People do panic. Feeding people on the verge of panic a lot of bullshit has the most detrimental side effect: Whatever we are being told; nothing will be believed. Nannying comes natural to the WHO and it’s tentacles. And mother WHO is short of cash. A chance for this Bloopberg feller Cameron was so eager to to talk to to step in and donate.
        One thing is for sure: SMOKING STATUS will be IRRELEVANT. We, the from society expelled, do well to keep our wits about us! Fear is for those who embraced it when they were told that smoking, especially passive smoking; sugar, salt and whatever-people-like, kills.

    • carol2000 says:

      Irrelevant, because at that time had no symptoms, and therefore was not infectious. He didn’t get symptoms until several days later.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Irrelevant, because at that time had no symptoms, and therefore was not infectious.
        No headache/usual long distance travel complaints? And he did not sneeze?

        • carol2000 says:

          The symptom they’re testing for, with infrared-reading thermometers that don’t touch people, is fever.

  8. Rose says:

    Britons ‘spend 315 days hungover’
    9th September

    “THE average Briton spends almost a year of their lives nursing a hangover, a charity has said.

    Macmillan Cancer Support has estimated that people spend 315 days of their lives battling with headaches and nausea caused by drinking”
    http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/11461042.Britons__spend_315_days_hungover_/

    It’s damned insulting and if you google “Britons ‘spend 315 days hungover’ you’ll find that that dreadful piece of defamation spread around the world, making Britain a byword for drunkeness.

    People don’t always read past the headline and in their enthusiasm for cash-raising, charities should consider the consequences of their actions.

    • nisakiman says:

      Blimey, Rose, what utter tosh.

      I’m what would be classed as a fairly heavy drinker (although I don’t see it that way myself, of course) because I consume way above the ‘recommended limits’ on a daily basis. I would say I wake up with a hangover maybe half a dozen times a year at most, usually because I’ve been out with friends and (unwisely) hit the spirits. (It always seems like a good idea at the time…). I normally only drink wine, and the odd beer.
      Every evening, without fail. (I’d probably be classified as a ‘functioning alcoholic’ by those-who-would-control-us, even though I almost never drink during the day.)

      315 days? Surely even the most credulous among us couldn’t swallow that one. Could they…?

    • beobrigitte says:

      Thanks, Rose!!! Up until now I was led to believe that the Macmillan Cancer support was apolitical. They were caring for cancer patients – and sure did a wonderful job – before they were sucked into the scared peoples’ movement.
      They might receive this month a bit of cash shuffed over from ASH et al; on the long run people like me will will cancel their monthly direct debit to them. I just have.
      It is not about disagreeing that the youngsters practice the habit of comatose drinking (how could they have learned ‘responsible’ drinking when barred o the places at the age alcohol becomes something to experiment with-and-that-hangovers are such a pain?); it is about that they tag on to the people depising lobby groups.

      Macmillan nurses, I am sorry to tell you that you lost my respect.

    • smokingscot says:

      In fairness that headline’s the work of The South Wales Argus. In the body of the article, where they’re simply regurgitating the press release, it says:

      “The charity, which is running a Go Sober for October fundraising campaign, surveyed 2,000 British adults and found that one in 14 will have more than 3,000 hangovers in their lifetime. It calculated the figures by multiplying the average amount of time people spend hungover each month with their life expectancy.”

      And if my calculator’s correct that’s 7% of the 2000 surveyed. And if they have 3000 hangovers over their average life expectancy (say from age 20 to age 65), that works out at about 85 hangovers a year. Take out Xmas, New Year, Birthdays, Anniversaries and such and they’re only tanked about once or twice a week.

      No idea of the circulation of the South Wales Argus but with this piffle they deserve to go bust before year end.

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Now they are saying a second person in Texas has come down with Ebola…………
    They are also saying in Hawaii theres a case.

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    Here in Kentucky and ten we got the viral crud going around…………..shit dosent want to go away either.

    What’s Going Around: October 1st

    Posted: Oct 01, 2014 9:50 PM CDT

    Updated: Oct 01, 2014 9:50 PM CDT
    There’s a lot of sore throats in local doctor’s offices, and many are reporting cases of strep throat.

    Nurse Practitioner Lori Lipinski at the Calvert Clinic in Calvert City reports sinusitis, strep throat, and skin rashes.

    Dr. William Conyer at Baptist Health Prime Care in Paducah reports strep throat, viral gastroenteritis, and poison ivy.

    Dr. Richard Crouch at Murray Medical Associates is seeing allergy related upper respiratory infections with cough, congestion, and sore throat.

    Nurse Practitioner Rhonda Darnell at Marshall County Family Medical is seeing strep throat, allergy flare-ups, and a stomach virus causing nausea and vomiting.

    Nurse practitioner Jennifer Brown with QuickCare at Four Rivers Internal Medicine is treating ear infections, asthma flare-ups and asthmatic bronchitis, sinus infections, and a viral illness causing flu-like symptoms.

    Dr. Daisy Benigno in Hickman Kentucky reports sinusitis and acute gastroenteritis.

    Dr. Joe Yohannan at SIU Family Medicine in Carbondale reports gastroenteritis, and allergies with congestion and cough.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Weve all been sick with the crud for 4 weeks now……………….head colds started about 2 weeks after the stomach crap hit…………..

      • Rose says:

        Harley, I’ve noticed over the years that a lot of people seem to get ill with low level but debilitating ailments around the time of the Autumn Equinox, Sept 23rd.

        I have my own theory.
        That spicy scent of Autumn in those golden sunny days, lovely though it is, is really the smell of warm, rotting vegetation and drifting mold spores.

      • Marvin says:

        Rose said…
        “Harley, I’ve noticed over the years that a lot of people seem to get ill with low level but debilitating ailments around the time of the Autumn Equinox, Sept 23rd.”

        ———

        I have noticed this too Rose but I have a theory which is slightly different to yours…
        In my view, as winter approaches, the energy level from the sun reduces and as all living things depend on energy from the sun, their energy levels drop as well, therefore the immune system is slightly weakened and the “bugs” (which are always present in the organism) temporarily gain the upper hand and you “catch” a “cold” or “flu” etc.
        It explains why it appears as a seemingly, “contagious epidemic” because the low energy level affects everyone, but in reality, you do not actually catch anything from the “outside”, it is merely the already existing “bugs” inside, that temporarily gain the upper hand. Conversly, with a high energy level (eg. summer) they never gain the upper hand and you remain “healthy”. JMO.

        • Rose says:

          Well you can certainly sense the onset of Autumn no matter how bright and warm the days, perhaps decreasing daylight is part of it.

  11. Rose says:

    Brace yourselves.

    New drug for ‘mild alcoholics’ drinking two glasses of wine a night

    “GPs will prescribe nalmefene and actively ask about patients’ alcohol consumption, under new plans by national health watchdog Nice to tackle alcohol abuse ”

    “There are an estimated 750,000 people in the UK who would be eligible for nalmefene who show no overt symptoms associated with their drinking. ”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11136111/New-drug-for-mild-alcoholics-drinking-two-glasses-of-wine-a-night.html

    Then why treat them?

    • nisakiman says:

      Ha! See my above reply to you Rose! Two glasses? I usually down a bottle or so of an evening! And they can keep their chemical cosh nalmefene, I’ll stick to the Merlot, thank you very much!

    • lleweton says:

      This will put people off going to their doctor when they should go to him or her. ‘Doctor, I’ve a lump in my groin.’ Doctor: ‘How much do you drink?’ These social engineers are a threat to our health. Their propaganda turns oldies like me into pariahs, because we grew up and survived much more troublesome yet less judgmental times. And we are living proof of its nonsense. ‘Doctor, I’ve bad arthritis in my knees.’ Doctor: ‘How much do you drink?’ I am not talking about my own doctor though!

    • beobrigitte says:

      Rose, any GP who will prescribe this drug deserves two words: FUCK OFF!!!

  12. Radical Rodent says:

    I have never smoked, and have never fully understood why anyone would want to, but when you do get such nannying fussbucketry thrust into your face with such zeal, you could understand why it is very tempting to start. I might start with vaping – and to do so in pubs and malls, just to watch the apoplectics.

    While I do not like drunkenness, or being drunk, I do like a drink; there is nothing that is going to make me stop what I enjoy.

    • smokingscot says:

      Yo RR, never fuss about our reasons for smoking. We do. End of story.

      “I might start with vaping – and to do so in pubs and malls”.

      No need to fork out on a vaping kit, especially one with no nicotine. That’s just masochism.
      Go buy a £5 stogy and meander around with that (unlit) in your hand. Even unlit you’ll get the same reaction.

      Once you’ve had a gut full then pass it on to someone who likes cheap cigars.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Smokingscot, you’ll get a much better reaction when vaping 50/50 vg/pg!!!! It’s fun to watch the scared!!!

        In times likes this it us us who keep our wits about us.

  13. beobrigitte says:

    Right. I had just brewed a lively cuppa tea to have when reading Frank’s post today. What do I read?
    But Stoptober now has an ugly sister, Sober October.
    The benefits of Going Sober For October…….
    Together with a few small improvements to your diet and exercise routine you could expect to experience a range of the following:

    Increased energy levels, higher productivity

    Clearer head

    No more hangovers

    Sleeping better / snoring less

    Weight loss

    Clearer skin

    Healthier bank balance / Save money

    Sense of achievement

    Fresh approach to alcohol consumption

    Generally feel healthier

    Doing something positive for a good cause

    Ah, interesting….
    Together with a few small improvements to your diet and exercise
    WHAT might these improvements be? No MacDonalds? I hate the stuff, anyway and cook my meals FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE I GREW UP TO DO SO AND THE TASTE CANNOT BE REPLICATED!!! I apologise if too many vegetables were killed in the process of doing so.

    Increased energy levels, higher productivity
    My boss gets the benefit, my hobbies are dead.

    Clearer head
    HOW, when you drink 1 glass of wine in the evening?

    Sleeping better / snoring less
    I believe that when you are comatose drunk you do not care about snoring. That is why people my age stop drinking long before the stage of being comatose is reached. The youngsters learn only by example. But that example has been kicked out of society when Labour dictated the smoking ban.

    Weight loss
    Really? I miss my evening beer (6/7 days/week) and I lose weight? Please, tell me more!!!

    Clearer skin
    No more age-patches?

    Healthier bank balance / Save money
    REALLY? Apart from “save money” for what? Charities? Doesn’t the government need the income?

    Sense of achievement
    WHAT exactly is meant by this? A sense of achievement is a very personal thing. Having tea/coffee instead of beer is an achievement? HOW? To me it is my personal choice.
    I feel like myu kids in school receiving a trophy for… erm… for…. erm…. just falling for bullshit.

    Fresh approach to alcohol consumption
    This does require an explanation. Please spare me no details! I can’t make sense of it. And I have reached pension age.

    Generally feel healthier
    I wish!!! At my age!!!!

    Doing something positive for a good cause
    Is there the collection plate going round for an organisation that up until now kept itself out of politics and it’s leeches?
    Macmillan, give us our money back!!! I respected you – wrongly. So, you will treat all cancer patients whose cancer is supposed to have been caused by smoking with the same ideology as ASH et al
    NEVER DARKEN MY DOORSTEP AGAIN!

  14. carol2000 says:

    Good news for a change.
    Feds sue Baraboo company over wellness program. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Oct. 2, 2014.
    The federal government has sued a Wisconsin company over its wellness program, saying the business cannot require employees to participate and punish those who don’t.

    The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission said Flambeau Inc., a Baraboo-based plastics manufacturer, violated the Americans with Disabilities Act by requiring an employee to submit to medical exams and answer health questions not related to his job.

    It is the second lawsuit nationwide that the agency has filed alleging ADA violations by a wellness program. The first, filed in August in Green Bay, made similar allegations against Manitowoc-based Orion Energy Systems.

    “Employers certainly may have voluntary wellness programs — there’s no dispute about that — and many see such programs as a positive development,” EEOC regional attorney John Hendrickson said Wednesday in a statement. “But they have actually to be voluntary. They can’t compel participation…by canceling coverage or imposing enormous penalties.”
    http://www.jsonline.com/business/feds-sue-baraboo-company-over-wellness-program-b99363457z1-277866981.html

  15. prog says:

    Is there any evidence that this annual TC jamboree achieves anything? Do smoking rates miraculously decline at the end of the year?

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