No Winners

So the Scots voted No to independence by 55% to 45%. I very much doubt that will be the end of it. It’s going to rumble on and on.

The United Kingdom isn’t quite as united as it was, now that we all know that nearly half of Scotland wants to leave the Union.

And now Alex Salmond has announced that he’s stepping down as First Minister of the Scottish parliament, and as leader of the SNP (after saying he wouldn’t if he lost the referendum).

And the leaders of the three mainstream UK parties have presented a wretched sight, as they all headed to Scotland to more or less beg the Scots to remain in the Union, promising them even more devolution than they’ve already got. Some Westminster politicians are saying these promises were made without any consultation of parties or parliament. So they’re all going to have some explaining to do when they get home.

And it’ll have set Scot against Scot, as Yes campaigners turn on No campaigners, and vice versa.

And some politicians are now proposing an English parliament, where the English alone vote on English affairs – which will mean yet another layer of government, and yet more politicians who won’t represent their constituents any more than the current bunch do.

There are no winners. It’s one of those ill winds which really does blow nobody any good.


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26 Responses to No Winners

  1. peem birrell says:

    Proof (as if it was needed) that politicians are the enemy of the people. I’m a Scot and as patriotic ( or not) as any other and I never asked for this farce of a referendum. And if you come down to it, hardly anyone did, But Salmond Sturgeon and the even tinier fish forced it on us because of their pathological narcissism.

  2. junican says:

    The critical thing is that the UK remains. The important things are that separation weakens all of us, and plays into the hand of the EU Aristocrats.
    The ‘West Lothian’ problem needs to be sorted.

  3. waltc says:

    I saw a clip of Farage complaining that the Scots should not have a say in matters purely British. Interestingly enough, he was not identified by name or party on US TV.

  4. smokervoter says:

    As is often the case, I neglected to turn my radio off the other night and awoke in a twilight state of befuddlement with the Alex Jones radio show grittily carrying on in the darkness. Due to my newfound disillusionment with him these days, I normally switch it off, have a smoke and drift back off to dreamland. His guest was one John McAfee, the wild and crazy guy of the antivirus software company fame.

    Much to my surprise, McAfee (who I just learned is Scottish and who looks physically like my duplicate sibling) mentions that he’d started smoking on purpose as an act of rebellion while at the Atlanta, Georgia airport. I assumed Alex would castigate him to no end. I’m on record here as predicting that Jones would probably not allow Nigel Farage to smoke in his presence during a hypothetical in studio interview.

    Instead Alex grudgingly admits to smoking cigars in the past and resisting indoor smoking bans in Austin, Texas. And McAfee thanks him for allowing him to smoke in the studio during a prior interview.

    Jones has his heart in the right place but really drops the ball by failing to attack the liberty-sapping jerks of the antismoking cabal with any gusto. Afterall the Nanny State control freakery that he so despises has its veritable rootstocks attached to them.

    He also strikes me as a first class organic snake oil salesman, a raging hypochondriac and a paranoiac. But I suppose that’s neither here nor there, nobody’s perfect.

    Go to 2:37:00 on this YouTube segment of this recent show and have a listen. Thumbs up to John McAfee.

    • Frank Davis says:

      I have the same attitude to Alex Jones. As soon as I found that he was antismoking, my opinion of him tanked. And I now pay no attention to him whatsoever. Not that I paid much attention to him in the first place.

      The same thing happened with Hillary Clinton about 10 years ago. As soon as I found out that she was antismoking, and had banned smoking in the White House, my opinion of her fell through the floor. I don’t really care who the next president of the United States is, just so long as it isn’t Hillary Clinton.

      There’s a long list of people of whom I used to have no particular opinion, or maybe even quite a good opinion, who became a long row of zeroes when I pressed Reset on finding out they were antismoking. The process is more or less instantaneous.

      And it even feeds through to the people associated with them. For example, I used to like Bill Clinton. But now I don’t have much time for him. Why? Because he married Hillary Clinton. So there must be something terribly wrong with him.

      Conversely, when I find that someone smokes, or thinks that there’s nothing wrong with smoking, my opinion of them kicks upward, even if I never much liked them before.

      Strange really.

      • I listened to Jones for years then decided he was a total and utter fake. A double agent. Cointelpro. The ‘Elite’ wants everyone to know their business because they know that people will do little or nothing. Jones is preparing us for the future, not helping us fight it, but to learn to live in fear. That’s why his sponsors sell emergency food (peddling fear), bunkers (peddling fear), water filters (peddling fear), Ted Anderson’s now rapidly depreciating gold and silver (peddling fear).

        Sure, he tells the truth a lot of the time, but like I said, there’s a purpose, but he never says *who* the elites are, because he works for them.

        He once described David Icke as a “turd in the punchbowl” because his whacky ideas spoiled the ‘Truth Movement’, like Icke’s insistence that aliens live in the moon and are controlling us with mind rays. But now they are best pals.

        Jones to Icke on air: “I agree with probably 99% of what you say and who knows? The other 1% may be right too”.

        The loud mouths in ‘alternative media’ would all seem to be double agents. Even the mild-mannered Canadian Scot, Alan Watt, who I started listening to nightly after I gave up on Jones, only to discover he’s probably the same. Allegedly, much of his “information” has been plagiarised.

        Anyway, Jones and Icke and probably Ventura and Dice I would say are to be avoided at all costs.

      • On Jones and smoking. When I listened, he regularly said he was back on the cigs, but used to follow up with “must get back to the gym” and warned young people not to start smoking or do drugs.

        After Jones’ bestest pal Charlie Sheen came out of the closet and joined the ‘Truth Movement’ and was on prime time TV favourably discussing his disbelief in the official 9/11 story (you don’t get to do that unless you’re one of them), Jones told of his evening spent with Sheen. Anyway, Jones said he found it very difficult keeping up with Sheen/Estevez who really is a Marlboro chain smoker, but he did anyway.

        And how else would you get to sound like Jones? It’s either heavy smoking or gargling with gravel. With him it could be either.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Hitlary………………she got that Nazi name back in the 90s after the whitehouse smoking ban and then moved onto federal buildings that she could get it done in. Then Clinton put all the anti tobacco Nazis in all the federal health depts. and then made them all tenured full time federal employees his last day in office instead of leaving them as appointees which bush would have quickly removed. That’s how they were able to fuck us all in the end………..

        • Tom says:

          And Nancy Pelosi, smoke-hater from San Francisco, another one, banned smoking in the US Congress building as soon as she was elected and became majority leader (except I think Senators and staff can still smoke inside their offices, so she didn’t get her way entirely – yet). Do realize, when Pelosi is on the ballot in SF, she usually gets about 96% of the vote in her favor, as does Feinstein, as does Barbara Boxer, as do they all, of “the one party” that rules all of CA and SF with an iron-fisted anti-smoking hate filled rage. That also says a lot about how full of anti-smoking hate filled rage all of SF to Sacramento, and beyond, all through NorCal, have they spread their foul anti-smoking hatred.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    Bloomberg Anti-Smoking Campaign Has Been a Failure for Years: New Government Numbers Prove It

  6. churchmouse says:

    I agree with all of you 110%, from Frank’s post on the referendum through all the comments. Thank you!

    By the way, Stoptober (or whatever it is called) is being advertised on telly again, so I shall be doing my part on health Nazism (might not be 100% nicotine-related but will recap previous posts and have new info [for my readers, anyway] borrowed from Frank’s, Dick’s and others’ sites).

    With the Scottish referendum and all this ‘health’ stuff, I’m fed up! :)

    Best wishes to you all!

    • beobrigitte says:

      By the way, Stoptober (or whatever it is called) is being advertised on telly again

      Yeah, I saw it. *Yawn*. The anti-smoking ilk went a step further this year; they declared to women that smoking AND NICOTINE causes saggy breasts. Needless to say, the waste of public money for this anti-smoker-dream-tober is overrrun by two smoke-vape-embers!

      More public money wasted on idiotic ideology. In the meantime, it is not feasible to upgrade air condition on all airplanes to expected standard currently in use. The WHO might well be able to imprison the Ebola sufferers in Africa, it cannot stop seemingly healthy Africans stop from boarding a plane to anywhere.
      When our lobby infected governments meet common sense somewhere and somehow again, regain it, the anti-smoking brigade ist the first to get kicked out.
      Stoptober? What a joke!!!!

      • churchmouse says:

        Totally agree. Seriously, we have some worldwide, life-threatening Ebola virus and … a continuing campaign against smoking? Really, when we have unlimited transportation anywhere? There’s a disconnect in that argument between logic and reality.

        Yes, it is a WHO joke. No doubt they are playing it from any and all scattergun angles just to see what might hit the target. Most of us are not hysterical (panicky, frightened) enough to play that game.

      • beobrigitte says:

        Totally agree. Seriously, we have some worldwide, life-threatening Ebola virus and … a continuing campaign against smoking?

        You can claim a 100% success rate when fighting (CHEAPLY, using taxpayers’ monies!!!) ficticious dangers. REAL ones do come with a big problem: The danger is REAL!

  7. prog says:

    Been interesting though – it’s not often one witnesses politicians grovelling in front of Joe Public.

  8. beobrigitte says:

    Quite frankly, the Scottish referendum was something secondary to me. (SORRY!) Whichever result – they end up in a dictatorship.

    Dictatorship… THAT does remind me to ask how many people do actually enjoy music on headphones when concentrating on difficult things?
    I just bought a new sound system, plugged the headphones in and was ready to proceed with a translation. Needless to say, I am now searching for an amplifier for MY PERSONAL VOLUME CONTROL!!!!!
    EU laws have it that you sound systems have a baby-sleep-max-volume control when trying to listen to music on headphones. Apparently anything louder damages your ears. (oh, REALLY???) Tell my colleagues in the to mine adjacent department that!!!! I have to shout across that their shitmachine is alarming – they can’t hear it!!!!

    Can we ADULTS!!!! get rid of people trying to nanny us?
    (Fed up with some of-life-scared-youngster-government interfering with a lifestyle that got me to my age!!!!)

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Just when you thought Insanity couldn’t get anymore Insane

    California to ban smoking at home day cares at all hours, citing risk of third-hand smoke

    First Posted: September 19, 2014 – 7:49 pm
    Last Updated: September 19, 2014 – 7:52 pm

    SACRAMENTO, California — Home day care operators in California must stop smoking in their houses, even after hours when children are gone.

    Gov. Jerry Brown announced Friday he had signed AB1819, joining 12 other states with similar bans that target “third-hand” smoke.

    Smoking during day care hours is already banned. Democratic Assemblyman Isadore Hall of Compton says his bill responds to the dangers of smoke that lingers in furniture and carpets.

    A recent study by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory found such smoke damages DNA in human cells and is especially dangerous for children.

    Operators at 36,000 home facilities face penalties of $100 and revoked licenses for lighting up. Smoking in backyards and outside the home is still permitted.

    The bill takes effect in January.–Day-Care-Smoking

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Another Eugenics driven madness study

      Dad’s smoking can cause asthma in children

      Men who smoke increase the risk that their children will have asthma – even if they give up long before conception, a study has found.

      The study, carried out at the University of Bergen in Norway, found that the earlier a man takes up smoking, the higher the risk that his offspring will suffer from non-allergic asthma.

      Young men who start smoking before the age of 15 triple the risk for their offspring, according to Cecilie Svanes, who led the study that examined the smoking habits of 13,000 men and women.

      The researchers suggest that sperm are particularly susceptible to the influence of harmful substances in a certain stage of development. But even those who start smoking later could be causing harm to their future children, especially if they smoke over a long period.

      If a man smokes for more than 10 years before conception, the risk of his children having asthma increases by 50 per cent, the study found.

      “Given these results, we can presume that exposure to any type of air pollution, from occupational exposures to chemical exposures, could also have an effect,” said Svanes.

      The study found no link between a mother’s smoking before conception and a child’s asthma: here only tobacco consumption during pregnancy seems to affect the unborn child.

      The research was presented at the recent European Respiratory Society (ERS) International Congress in Munich, Germany.

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    FREEDOM » Smoking Gun Evidence Scotland Vote Totally Rigged!

    Smoking Gun Evidence Scotland Vote Totally Rigged!

    Posted by: TLB Staff

    There is no question that massive voting fraud occurred in Scotland! The picture above shows a YES vote clearly on a table for the NO votes! This is absolutely ridiculous that this fraud was allowed to happen. The following video shows a woman blatantly taking an entire stack of YES votes and putting them in the NO stack!

    It would have been so easy to have multiple layers to this system from both sides checking each other and when mistakes happened by a counter then that person would be relieved of duty! Of course we know that many elections in the US are totally rigged too either by voting machines that flip votes or massive voting fraud where people vote up to 15 times and brag about it.

    Im inclined to believe them after knowing the vote was suppose to be within 1 or 2% of difference and all of a sudden its 10% that makes no sense except to say somebody stuffed the ballot boxes.

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