Carswell Under the Spotlight

With MP Douglas Carswell’s defection from the Conservatives to UKIP, I was soon wondering what his views might be on the only question that really matters: the smoking ban. From F2C:

Douglas Carswell: Under the Spotlight
Martin Hensman
14th April 2008.

Douglas who? I hear you ask.

In the Mail on Sunday I was astonished to read that a fearless Tory has become the first MP to call for the Speaker to quit .

In a separate article “Speaker Martin must go” printed on page 27 but not available online Douglas Carswell writes:

We need to scrap the ‘gentlemen’s club rules used to run our legislature and make Westminster Politicians more directly accountable to the voters.

Hear. Hear.

He continues:

Increasingly, MP’s are seen as parasitical. It is no longer those we send to Parliament who make the key decisions. The Health Service, Education system and criminal justice system are increasingly run by remote and unaccountable officials.

In order to make our politicians more directly accountable we need not only transparency over MP’s expenses but also how they make laws and hold the Government to account.

Examination of Mr. Carswell’s voting record in Parliament reveals that he voted

100% against the smoking ban
100% against ID cards
100% in favour of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty
100% against ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.

In today’s media spun society it is extremely rare to identify a Parliamentarian prepared to speak so openly. In Westminster the values of patriotism, loyalty and honesty appear to have been replaced by arrogance, greed and open public betrayal.

It is reassuring to see that Champions of freedom and democracy have not all been exiled from Westminster. But shouldn’t David Cameron, leader of the opposition, have made these demands of the Speaker?

And from an election leaflet in 2007:

No to Smoking Ban

The ban on smoking in public spaces comes into effect
this year. Although Douglas does not smoke, he feels
that free-born Englishmen and women do not need
central government to manage their lives for them in this

Douglas says “I voted against the ban because I dislike
the nanny state more than I dislike cigarette smoke. It is
wrong for politicians down in London to tell people how
to live every aspect of their lives”

Given this UKIP coup, I read several times today that a vote for UKIP will result in Labour winning the General Election next year. But for a smoker like me it’ll make no difference whether Labour or Conservatives win: life will be just as bad either way.

Douglas Carswell’s defection speech in full.

All three of the older parties seem the same. They’ve swathes of safe seats. They’re run by those who became MPs by working in the offices of MPs. They use pollsters to tell them what to tell us.

Politics to them is about politicians like them. It’s a game of spin and positioning.

First under Tony Blair, then Gordon Brown, now David Cameron, it’s all about the priorities of whichever tiny clique happens to be sitting on the sofa in Downing Street. Different clique, same sofa.

Few are animated by principle or passion. Those that are soon get shuffled out of the way. Many are just in it for themselves. They seek every great office, yet believe in so little.

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64 Responses to Carswell Under the Spotlight

  1. harleyrider1978 says:

    Finally somebody speaks up Frank. You know what if the libdems did win theyd have a UKIP force to have to reckon with wouldn’t they. Itd likely mean the cons would have to form a coalition government with UKIP to maintain power. I think itd be that close and keep Labor out in the cold.

    On the smoking in cars with kids fiasco again;

    Its quite simple as Chris Snowden said in his blog;

    Just open the Window!

    Its real easy to get an answer to a non-problem to begin with. The same holds true inside and enclosed space simply turn on the ventilation system,they all have one today right! Even if they don’t how did all those folks survive 600 years without one in British Pubs thru out the Realm!

    Prohibitionists don’t solve problems they create them where none existed before. Generally just a HATE CAMPAIGN against everything they don’t like.

    One things for sure they don’t even know where theyre hate ends,they keep coming up with new things to hate and outlaw everyday. No doubt you’ve been personally attacked at least 5 out of 10 things these bansturbators have done of late or in the past.

    In America its said that every American breaks at least 32 EPA rules or laws a day. Some for the simplest thing like warming a car up on a cold morning before they leave to clear the ice off the windshield………….Ive even seen them ticketed in Nashville for the offence.

    In a world gone Insane its our responsibility to remove these blaggards from power and replace them with folks who will not only abolish the sock puppets but get the government back to doing what its suppose to do,providing essential services to us as in roads,police and fire protection a standing army to protect our freedoms and fight justified wars like with Hitler should the need arise again……….

    But no instead we get Hitler back again in the form of the new world government alliance under the UN CHARTER AND ITS FCTC TREATY!

    If we wanted Third Reich Laws like Hitler anti-smoking laws we coulda all just surrendered in 1939 and spared ourselves 60 years without his laws!

    Now our own people do it to us………….

    Truly Insanity rules and weve done nothing to stop it!

  2. Russtovich says:

    In this sorry state of a world we unfortunately find ourselves in, principles are all that matter.

    Douglas Carswell has made a move based on his principles (unique as that may seem in this day and age). So we should do the same and vote accordingly. So 100% agree Frank that we need to cast our vote according to our principles; and not whatever the chattering classes tell us might result from said vote.


    • harleyrider1978 says:

      When the dems and the cons wear the same clothes your right it truly doesn’t matter any longer you will get the same thing until we all finally hit the streets in open protest against the governments very being. Then it will stop,they will have no choise.

    • Rose says:

      It’s an interesting development, but rather than speculate I prefer to sit tight and wait, with fingers tightly crossed.

      People, like a shoal of fish can switch direction in an instant.

      “Mr Farage said that other Tory MPs are “considering their options” and that if Ukip wins the by-election it could prove to be a “high noon moment”.

      I get nervous when people start counting chickens before they are firmly at roost.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Rose I watched this happen 2 times in recent political history. A political change comes over and overnite things change and drastically. Even the switching of sides and parties as the winds of change blow. Problem is with parties they want their folks to change sides and then after they get in after a few years they take it over just like what happened to the GOP back in the 1990s dems were jumping ship to become REPs left and right and all that happened was the party became a liberal democrat bastion of bastards in ten years.

        Hense the tea party movement came about……………….

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          When the smoking bans get repealed it will be the same overnite political winds of change that bring it crashing down. The last time the bans were repealed it was because they had become basically Political storms of total abandon. Nobody wanted anymore to do with it or the prohibitionists and the same is happening with the climate change crowd abandoning ships so to speak politically.

  3. As my comment at the DT says, “Vote Tory get New Labour but with the bedroom ‘tax’ and the sick and dying thrown off benefits to boot. Finally, a Conservative MP has the guts to publicly admit the blatant lies of the Tory hierarchy, put in place, surely, because they have been compromised in some way?”

    Notice how scared The Telegraph is. They didn’t seem much bothered before, even giving Dan Hannan a blog (but then, I accused him of being a double agent). This is NOW serious for the one-party state and their mainstream media wing. This is bigger than UKIP’s E.P. victory. This could be the start of REAL trouble for them. (If UKIP isn’t really part of the Establishment too, that is.)

  4. Junican says:

    Not that simple, cousin. If you take the total of Con/Lab/Lib voters, you will find that those parties hold, at a guess, 80% of the votes. But only about 50% of voters turn out, so there is a very big ‘unknown’, which no one knows which way it will jump. It is because of this HUGE ‘unknown’ that the existing major parties are frightened. And, surveys by YouGov are useless, because it is unlikely that people who cannot be bothered to vote in General Elections would bother about being on the YouGov panel. Let’s face it – people who do YouGov surveys (in a genuine way, as compared with people like me who amuse themselves by ‘voting’ in silly ways} must be control freaks. Otherwise, most of the time, they would vote “Don’t know”, since many of the YouGov survey questions ask what you think might happen, or what you think that you might do. The silliness is that a person almost certainly cannot make such a decision IN FACT. Any decision, as stated in the survey is useless conjecture.
    But YouGov surveys are now considered to be the epitome of ‘science excellence’.
    It would be interesting to see how a Nuclear power station, designed by Tobacco Control and YouGov, would perform.

  5. Increasingly, MP’s are seen as parasitical. It is no longer those we send to Parliament who make the key decisions. The Health Service, Education system and criminal justice system are increasingly run by remote and unaccountable officials.

    My MSP got absolutely nowhere when I was denied health treatment and asked by my doctor to find a new practice.

    Because, as the late Dr Dunbar would say, the DoH are a law unto themselves. A former local councillor friend who had to work with the local Health Board told me that they are there to limit damage to the image of the NHS rather than help patients and someone I know who works for the NHS (and normally doesn’t bad-mouth anyone) told me that the H.B. doesn’t look after the staff either.

    Even my MSP, the previous ‘Speaker’ in Edinburgh – a Tory – yes, in Scotland! – who, by the way, worked hard on my behalf, but even he got absolutely nowhere with the Health Board. They told him I would likely get the same (lack of) treatment at any practice and his hands were apparently tied.

    I would have gone to my (Labour) MP, but he’s someone I attacked viciously on Facebook. E.g. I told him how dare a traitor such as him celebrate the Jubilee. Do I regret saying all those things now? You bet your bottom I don’t.

    Anyway, I’m sure he’d bring as much joy as my MSP, seeing that ‘normal’ MPs exist merely to be whipped into voting for legislation that has already been decided upon.

    • carol2000 says:

      Why were you asked by your doctor to find a new practice? And wouldn’t this be better than having an unfriendly doctor anyhow?

      • I requested the emails between my MSP and the Health Board and like I said, one of the H.B. chiefs admitted that I would likely get the same (lack of) treatment at any practice, so I only approached two. One never got back to me and the other, supposedly a friend and so I was waiting to be invited, but wasn’t, so didn’t bother humiliating myself by asking. He’s a waffler and he’d most probably have waffled his way into also denying me treatment and would likely have tried to excuse himself by waffling about a ‘better’ idea because I suspect, he being good friends with ‘my’ doctor, that they would have discussed me.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    8/27/2014 6:40:00 PM
    Coping with smoking

    By Tibor Machan

    Laws forbidding business proprietors from permitting smoking in their offices, cinemas, aircraft, stores, etc. are now legion. But such government-mandated prohibitions ignore the rights of those who don’t mind smoking as well as those who wish to live in a tolerant society.

    No doubt, smokers can be annoying. They even may be harmful to those around them. One need not dispute these contentions to still be concerned with their rights.

    In most cases, anti-smoking ordinances aren’t limited to public places such as municipal courts. If the government confined itself to protecting the rights of nonsmokers in bona fide public areas, there would be nothing wrong with the current trend in legislation.

    Instead of such a limited approach, however, government has embarked upon the full regimentation of people’s choices concerning smoking. The government has decided to bully smokers, regardless of whether they violate anyone’s rights or merely indulge with the consent of others.

    People suffer many harms willingly. And in a society that respects individual rights this has to be accepted. Boxers, football players, nurses, doctors, and many other people expose themselves to risks of harm that comes from others’ behavior. When this exposure is voluntary, in a free society it may not be interfered with. The sovereignty of persons may not be sacrificed even for the sake of their physical health.

    Individuals’ property rights are supposed to be protected by the Fifth Amendment. Not unless property is taken for public use — for the sake of a legitimate state activity — is it properly subject to government seizure. By treating the offices, work spaces, and lobbies of private firms as if they were public property, a grave injustice is done to the owners.

    When private property comes under government control, practices may be prohibited simply because those who engage in them are in the minority or waver from preferred government policy. Members of minority groups can easily lose their sphere of autonomy.

    There is no need, however, to resort to government intervention to manage the public problems engendered by smoking. There are many cases of annoying and even harmful practices that can be isolated and kept from intruding on others. And they do not involve violating anyone’s right to freedom of association and private property.

    The smoking issue can be handled quite simply. In my house, shop, or factory, I should be the one who decides whether there will be smoking. This is what it means to respect my individual rights. Just as I may print anything I want on my printing press, or allow anyone to say whatever he or she wants in my lecture hall, so I should be free to decide whether people may smoke on my property.

    Those displeased by or who object to my decision need not come to my facilities. If the concern is great and the opportunity to work in a given place is highly valued, negotiations or contract talks can ensue in behalf of separating smokers from nonsmokers. In many cases all that’s needed is to bring the problem to light. Maybe the firm’s insurance costs will be inordinately high where there is smoking, or maybe a change in policy will come about because customers and workers are gradually leaving.The issue of smoking may not undermine the far greater issue of individual, including private property, rights.

    In some cases a conflict about this matter may go so far as to involve tort litigation. Exposing employees to serious dangers that are not part of the job description and of which they were not warned may be actionable. But what the company does initially at least must be its decision. And the onus of proof in these cases must be on those who claim to have suffered unjustified harm.

    Clearly, smoking isn’t universally bad. For some people it may be O.K. to smoke, just as it could be O.K. to have a couple of drinks or to run five miles a day. For others, smoking is very harmful to their health. In either case, health may not be the highest good for many people. All things considered, even those whose health suffers may wish to smoke. In a free society, people are free to do what is wrong, so long as they don’t violate the rights of others.

    In a free and pluralistic society, it isn’t necessary to appoint the government as the caretaker of our health and the overseer of our interpersonal negotiations concerning how we best get along with each other.

    Tibor R. Machan is a professor of business ethics and Western civilization at Chapman University in Orange, Calif.

    • carol2000 says:

      F@#$ that stupid worthless piece of crap, Tibor Machan! He is a perfect example of “Anti-Smoker Approved Fake Opposition,” starting with his conditioned-reflex denunciation of smoking, and his false framing of the issue as “people have a right to hurt themselves”! The issue is that the government is deliberately committing scientific fraud in order to deprive us of our liberties. This is equivalent to the government framing an innocent person for a crime that didn’t even happen! And it’s as much an act of terrorism as calling in phony bomb threats, deceiving the public that their lives are endangered when they’re not. This is government flagrantly committing crimes against the public, and dirty traitors like Tibor Machan blandly endorse those crimes. People like him are our very WORST enemies, because the lying media pretend that fake opponents like him are genuine.

    • Edgar says:

      “No doubt, smokers can be annoying.” With allies like this, who needs enemies? Non-smokers can be annoying, too.

  7. Also in The Telepgraph:

    “EU to ban high-energy hair dryers, smartphones and kettles”

    European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical appliances in follow-up to controversial ban on powerful vacuum cleaners…

    There will be no end to bans until we are living like a lost tribe of the Amazon ruled by a malevolent king.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Id be investing in the Blackmarket its going to be one hell of a shopping center in those mobile shopping centers

    • prog says:

      I’m no expert but I’d have thought that less powerful devices would need longer to produce the desired result, with no net energy saving.

      • I do know that the process of making the new energy-efficient bulbs has made many Chinese workers ill and their disposal poses problems for the environment all around the world.

        • nisakiman says:

          What, the disposal of the sickly Chinese workers? I thought they were biodegradable…

        • Reinhold says:

          Nisakiman! See: “for the environment all around the world”. You traveled far – did you see Chinese workers all around the world?

        • “What, the disposal of the sickly Chinese workers? I thought they were biodegradable…”

          Once their mercury fillings are extracted. They are biodegradable (eventually) and also, alas, easily dispensable and replaceable. But I’m sure they appreciate your concern :D

    • Jonathan Barley says:

      Someone joked about hairdryers being next in a comment about vacuum cleaners. I warned them.

  8. Junican says:

    A ‘coup’ for UKIP? Certainly, provided that the chap has no ‘previous’. It has been massive publicity, which is what UKIP needs. It is possible that the publicity is more important than the chap himself. No one knows the detail – perhaps that guy was intent upon ‘quitting’ Parliament anyway, unless re-elected under the UKIP banner.
    I trust no politician because they are easily manipulated. That is not to say that they are stupid. It seems to me that they look for the easy way out. In the case of the smoking ban, the easiest way out was not to vote against!. That is, the Medical Establishment was pushing and pressuring, and the best way to ‘get from under’ was to capitulate.
    I noticed this afternoon that, of the eight shops on my local, small shopping precinct, only four have “No Smoking” signs. Should I report this blatant disregard of the law to the Chief Constable?

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Kinda lets you know whos supporting the Nazis and who isn’t. I would trade with the ones who had no signs.

  9. Rose says:


    Interesting post on Carl V Phillips’ blog, apparently the WHO have threatened Clive Bates with legal action!

    WHO responds to criticism over e-cigarettes with attempted censorship

    “In response to Bates’s challenge to them, WHO did not pause to consider that they might be wrong and doing harm, nor did they try to defend themselves substantively. Instead, they threatened legal action against Bates.”

    “Part of WHO’s objection was to a parody of their logo that Bates posted, which (at the time of this writing) he has replaced with a text graphic that reads “Graphic removed at the request of the Legal Counsel of the World Health Organization”.

    “To be able to properly understand this news story, it is useful to see the graphic that originally appeared on Bates’s pages:”

    Graphic is a skull and crossbones in a wreath.
    but I don’t know how to post it here

    As one commentor remarks.

    “I think the WHO today will indeed learn something new. It’s called the Streisand Effect.”

    • carol2000 says:

      Bates should not have knuckled under to the WHO, because it’s WELL-established that parody is fair use. And, look how many times the anti-smokers have parodied cigarette logos.

      • Rose says:

        Clive Bates was director of ASH UK until 2003

        I am not saying a word…

        • carol2000 says:

          I forgot who he was. So he should certainly know that they have no right to stop him. So now he’s an anointed leader of the vaper camp, whose role is to keep the sheep brainwashed with anti-tobacco propaganda instead of questioning the scientific fraud behind it.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Carol I have got to agree with you on Bates…………………and theres a lot of vapors out there still trying to hate smokers and use their lil product as a quit device. Im about ready to stop helping them as it took nearly 2 years to even get me unpissed enuf to start helping them fight back. Those clowns aint got a clue how to fight back…………….They act like you cant possibly think of us as smokers how dare you even consider such a thing.

          Now they are getting former Nazis to help them and still maintain the lies about smoking. fuck em as you say.

  10. Frank – I answered your question from four days ago, but you might not see it. You asked,

    “If there is a ‘New World Order’, how come – as I asked above – the world is becoming ever more disorderly?

    “They can write and sign all the ‘legally binding treaties’ they like. They’re just pieces of paper. In fact they’re wallpaper to cover over the widening cracks in the actuality.”

    Because, just as the Fabian Window (now over 100 years old) shows, the World has to be smashed up for it to be put back together in the image of total socialism. A section of the window depicts two men (supposedly Sidney Webb (founder) and George Bernard Shaw (member)) with hammers raised above their heads and an Earth-shaped anvil below them waiting for these Fabians to smash it to bits – to destroy nations, the family, religious institutions – in fact, all institutions – to create such a dysfunctional mess that people will cling to the ideas that future movers and shakers come up with to mould the planet into a global communist police state.

    For example, with manmade climate change, they have made half the world psychotic over future rising temperatures, rising sea levels and of course, polar bears stuck on tiny icebergs little larger than themselves.

    Problem – Reaction – Solution.

    Problem – in this case (as is normal) Invented/Exaggerated Problem (see above).

    Reaction – people desperate to help avert the stated disasters will accept over-the-top “solutions”.

    Solution – people get over-the-top “solutions” like Labour’s ‘legally binding’ Climate Change Act 2008 which has committed us to reduce our greenhouses gases by at least 80% by 2050. If (even more) people freeze to death due to the cold and the UK ‘government’ refuses to bring ‘mothballed’ coal-fired power stations back into service due to the massive fines the EU would impose, just think about the polar bears! Never mind that people have died allegedly to save the creatures that are terrorising Canadian towns there are so many of them.

    It’s only the official figures that almost everyone hears, not the unbiased, evidence-based reports where vast ‘research’ budgets aren’t involved and paid for with taxpayers’ money to reach a predetermined outcome to make political changes, like this one.

    Thanks to the EU we have the likes of increased council tax bills and draconian bin regulations due to ‘landfill tax’ on waste and dangerous light bulbs, the light from which causes some people big problems and soon the electrical appliance restrictions. Even the restriction of centuries’ old herbal remedies, etc., etc.

    Global anti-smoking measures based on “evidence” and fuelled by fear is another global legally-binding “framework convention”.

    Going back decades, after the War people were glad to have more European cooperation, so we signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights. Later on, it included the “right” for a citizen to take his country to court, as famously happened with John Hirst, convicted axe killer (he threatens to sue people who call him a murderer, as he was convicted of manslaughter!), who won his votes-for-prisoners action.

    So they’re not just pieces of paper because the governments are generally all compliant, as we can see with WHO Tobacco Control demands, climate change regulations and taxes, perceived “human rights” for particular groups which destroy the genuine, age-old rights of everyone else as well as cause division – an example of a problem created by socialists for socialists to give us the “solution” to.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Problem – Reaction – Solution.

      But the solutions only create more problems. And in the end the problems spiral out of control. And the result is not perfect order, but complete disorder.

    • carol2000 says:

      “If there is a ‘New World Order’, how come – as I asked above – the world is becoming ever more disorderly?”

      Frank needs to understand that it’s only OUR part of the world (that is, the masses) that’s descending into chaos, but not THEIR part of the world, the gated communities and the corporate boardrooms, etc.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Its definitely Global Disorder and very likely planned since 1948 at the UN’s inception and it was even before that with the league of Nations under Wilson. Id rather see a world at war than a world under the control of a board of health Hitlers…………

  11. prog says:

    ‘Douglas who? I hear you ask.’

    Carswell’s a quite high profile backbencher, often on TV and MSM highlighting nonsensical policies. Certainly couldn’t be accused of being part of the ‘lunatic fringe’. It’s a body blow for the traitorous Cameron and his Nu-Cons.

  12. Rose says:

    That was quick.

    Ebola vaccine to be tested on British volunteers next month

    “The vaccine being developed by GlaxoSmithKline and the US National Institutes of Health is being fast-tracked with a £2.8m grant from the Wellcome Trust, the Medical Research Council and the UK Department for International Development.”

    “The volunteers will not be exposed to Ebola after they have been vaccinated, instead blood tests will show whether their body has developed protection against the virus.”

    Experimental Ebola drugs use in West Africa is ethical, says WHO
    12 Aug 2014

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    Nigel Farage: More Tories could defect after ‘high noon’ by-election

    Nigel Farage suggests he could pull more ‘rabbits out of the hat’ after Douglas Carswell’s defection to Ukip

  14. harleyrider1978 says:

    Unusual respiratory virus strikes metro kids

    Posted 4:24 pm, August 28, 2014, by Meryl Lin McKean, Updated at 05:18pm, August 28, 2014
    KANSAS CITY, Mo. — An unusual respiratory virus is striking children in the metro in big numbers. Children’s Mercy Hospital is hospitalizing 20 to 30 kids a day with the virus. The hospital is as full now as it is at the height of flu season.

    This is not the same virus we told you about several weeks ago that can cause meningitis. This one can cause severe breathing trouble. Children’s Mercy has seen more than 300 cases in recent days in kids of all ages.

    Preston Sheldon’s mom says he seemed fine when she took him to pre-school Tuesday. But minutes later, the Grain Valley mom got the call. Her three-year-old son was having trouble breathing.

    “You could see his ribs, and his stomach was pushing out really hard… I thought it was an asthma attack,” said Pam Sheldon.

    But it was a virus that is inundating Children’s Mercy with patients.

    “To be at winter census is quite unusual in August obviously. To see a virus we’ve not seen before is unusual, too,” said Dr. Mary Anne Jackson, an infectious disease specialist.

    It is enterovirus 68. The doctor says it’s well-known around the world, but cases have not been seen in Kansas City before.

    “We have about 10 to 15 percent who have severe illness from this virus which actually acts like asthma exacerbations,” said Dr. Jackson.

    She says about two-thirds of the hospitalized cases are in children like Preston who have a history of asthma or wheezing. But others are having trouble breathing, too. She says the virus will produce an ordinary cold in many kids. What should parents watch for?

    “The difficulty breathing is a very obvious tip-off sign they need to come into the hospital,” said Dr. Jackson.

    To try to stop the spread, Children’s Mercy has posted signs at security entrances saying children 12 or younger should not visit in-patients. Nor should those with symptoms visit.

    Dr. Jackson says good hand washing, covering your cough and not sending your child to school if he or she appears sick can help control the spread.

    There’s no anti-viral medicine for enterovirus 68 and no vaccine. Supportive care, including oxygen, has helped Preston. His mom is glad they didn’t wait to go to the emergency room.

    “Cause it can hit really fast. And without medical treatment, it could get really bad,” she said.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Is it another ADENO-14 outbreak another one nobody has seen in decades to start a whole new run of COPD cases to blame on second hand smoke or what!

      Is the government and pharma doing it!

      Or is it the unchecked illegals enetering the country and Obama dumping all over the country causing these outbreaks………..third world diseases becoming normal in America anymore. Wheres Public health Depts at in all this shit,to busy pushing smoking bans and lobbying to do their real jobs!

    • carol2000 says:

      It’s an enterovirus that causes cold symptoms instead of diarrhea

      Human rhinovirus 87 and enterovirus 68 represent a unique serotype with rhinovirus and enterovirus features.
      Blomqvist S1, Savolainen C, Råman L, Roivainen M, Hovi T.
      J Clin Microbiol. 2002 Nov;40(11):4218-23.
      “We conclude that HRV87 and EV68 are strains of the same picornavirus serotype presenting features of both rhinoviruses and enteroviruses.”
      Enterovirus 68 is associated with respiratory illness and shares biological features with both the enteroviruses and the rhinoviruses.
      Oberste MS1, Maher K, Schnurr D, Flemister MR, Lovchik JC, Peters H, Sessions W, Kirk C, Chatterjee N, Fuller S, Hanauer JM, Pallansch MA.
      J Gen Virol. 2004 Sep;85(Pt 9):2577-84.
      “Enterovirus (EV) 68 was originally isolated in California in 1962 from four children with respiratory illness. Since that time, reports of EV68 isolation have been very uncommon. Between 1989 and 2003, 12 additional EV68 clinical isolates were identified and characterized, all of which were obtained from respiratory specimens of patients with respiratory tract illnesses. No EV68 isolates from enteric specimens have been identified from these same laboratories.”

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Carol on a term of generations these viruses are now showing up 50 years later again. Got any thoughts on that other than just no immunities lasting that long in humans or what.

        I hate to think of pharma recreating viruses not seen in 2 generations and using the epidemics to claim further harm from so called being around smoking to boost their propaganda charts with. ie more copd cases………..etc etc

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Sorry but after everything that’s passed and been seen nothing is beyond anything these days.

  15. harleyrider1978 says:

    At some point we’ve got to tell these people to fuck off you know
    August 27, 2014By Tim WorstallComments:16 Comments

    E-cigarettes should be banned indoors over fears that they can be as toxic to bystanders as normal cigarettes, the World Health Organisation has said.

    Despite releasing vapour instead of smoke, the devices still pollute the air with harmful chemicals, health experts warned.

    Many smokers use e-cigarettes as a way to quit, as they deliver the nicotine hit but without the carcinogens associated with breathing in smoke. There are no laws currently banning their use inside.

    But a report by the WHO questioned the safety of e-cigarettes, officially known as electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS).

    “The fact that ENDS exhaled aerosol contains on average lower levels of toxicants than the emissions from combusted tobacco does not mean that these levels are acceptable to involuntarily exposed bystanders,” said the report.

    Given that second hand smoke from regular cigarettes isn’t much of a problem in the first place perhaps we should just hang them all?

    • beobrigitte says:

      At some point we’ve got to tell these people to fuck off you know

      I do agree!!!
      I must admit that these days my patience with this anti-smoking (and now anti-vaping) lark is beginning to be tested.

      Perhaps it’s the WHO who makes it rapidly to the top of the list of useless organisations to be dismantled.

  16. harleyrider1978 says:

    EU to ban high-energy hair dryers, smartphones and kettles – Telegraph

    European Union to ban dozens of high-wattage household electrical appliances in…

    Andrew Phillips

    First they came for the vacuum cleaners and I said nothing as I was not a vacuum cleaner. Then they came for the hair dryers and I said nothing as I’m bald and don’t give a rats’ ass. Then they came for the smartphones which is a dumb move as their own paranoid spy ministries won’t be able to listen in on conversations anymore. Fire the bastards by the way. Then they came for the kettles and the British couldn’t make tea anymore and a replay of the 1831 Peasant Revolt broke out the next day. Fuck the EU

  17. harleyrider1978 says:

    Two fighter jets were deployed and an entire flight returned because two 20-year old females drunk and smoked in the plane’s lavatory, which latter caused the smoke alarm to go off. What a hystericized society we live in! And what a waste of resources, time and grey matter.”

    Plane escorted by jets back to Toronto because of in-flight smoking! —

    Comment: Two fighter jets were deployed and an entire flight returned because…

  18. harleyrider1978 says:

    Cameron acting like FARAGE………………ROFLMAO

    PM ‘may threaten EU exit’ if powers not returned to Britain

    DAVID Cameron is preparing to threaten to back a British exit from the European Union if it fails to make major concessions over returning powers.

  19. harleyrider1978 says:


    Smoking ‘ok’ inside?

    Posted by: 3AW Breakfast | 28 August, 2014 – 11:21 AM

    A workplace expert has said that smoking inside a workplace can be legal, as long as occupational health and safety requirements are not breached.

    A caller to 3AW Breakfast’s Rumour File claimed he witnessed staff members of a European embassy smoking inside while serving guests on Wednesday.

    The University of Melbourne Centre for Workplace Leadership director Professor Peter Gahan told Ross and John the embassy’s case is a “grey area”.

    “For a lot of workplaces they’ll have policies which prevent smoking, but the law doesn’t require you to have that sort of policy,” Professor Gahan said.

    “There’s nothing sort of, unlawful about it unless of course it doesn’t meet those duty of care type obligations.”

    LISTEN: Professor Peter Gahan speaks with Ross and John

  20. harleyrider1978 says:

    Cameron on the telly acting like Churchill over home grown terrorists fighting with ISIS.

    Will he finally go isolationalist and shut down immigration and start deporting Muslims out of GB!

    Will he leave the EU and save the UK…………..

    Will he simply play along and act tough while doing nothing but what Brussels says like always!

  21. harleyrider1978 says:

    This is a photo of Clive Bates pic he did of the WHO’s logo that they threatened with legal recourse if it wasn’t removed.

  22. harleyrider1978 says:

    Smokers have as much right to the air to smoke as any non-smoker have a right to breathe the air! Non-smokers don’t own it we all use it like everyone else…………even the cars use the air,restaraunts,cookouts,fireworks and each and everyone of those things including non-smokers releases hundreds and thousands of the same chemicals found in that same cigarette smoke! So go outlaw yourselves under the same pre-text as you used for smoking you HUMAN CARCINOGEN MACHINES!

  23. harleyrider1978 says:

    Irish Social Stere O’Types: The Anti-Smoking Puritan – See more at:

    Lips: Pursed. Eyes: Sharp and beady, like a merciless bird of prey.

    Nose: Permanently crinkled as a pre-emptive defence against the
    foul odour of tobacco smokeVoice:

    Tighter than piano wireOverall expression:

    A sort of sanctimonious disgustOverweening passion:

    Hatred for smoking that regularly skirts the psychopathicAnnual tradition:

    Bemoaning why the minister didn’t put 10 euro on every packet in the BudgetLikes:

    Loves: Detailing exactly how grisly a premature death they can expect

    Frequently used terms: Each cigarette takes six minutes off your life; it’s a filthy habit; please respect me enough to not smoke in my presence; tobacco causes 97 different forms of cancer; don’t you care about your children, at least?; stop blowing death in my face!

    Doesn’t seem to realise: Everyone is guaranteed to die of something eventually

    Current campaign: Mandatory prison sentences for smoking inside a car within 500 metres of a school or playground

    Also doesn’t realise: That the cars themselves spew out toxic gunk in far greater quantities than feeble little ciggies

    Secretly feels: Everyone who dies of smoking-related diseases deserved it: for their stupidity, moral turpitude and pig-headed refusal to go along with what she says

    Existential conundrum: Is it possible to make smoking fully illegal, but somehow hold onto the €2billion in taxes it raises each year?

    Likely quote: “There are 4,000 equally dangerous chemicals in every cigarette, did you know that?”Unlikely quote: “Give us a drag there would you, I’m hanging for a fag.”

    Interfering with other adults’ choices –

  24. Marvin says:

    How come ‘smartphones’ are high wattage? – am I missing something?

    Oh well, it’s down to Argos to buy a couple of high-powered kettles, while I still can ;)

  25. harleyrider1978 says:

    It appears in Branson the Nazis played every underhanded trick they could get away with.

    Alderwoman against smoking ordinance process

    Branson Alderwoman Cris Bohinc spoke out against the process by which the city has sought public input on the proposed smoking ordinance.

    Bohinc amicably made her feelings on the issue known Tuesday evening during an update on the ordinance at the Branson Board of Aldermen meeting.

    “I feel like this was a setup,” she said. “I’m just going to be honest. I love and respect everybody up here (the Board of Aldermen) and we disagree on this one issue, but when the public was given a two-day notice by press release that there was going to be a forum and now all of a sudden it’s discussed at this meeting.”

    Bohinc said she was out of town this past week and was not able to attend the smoke-free community forum at the Branson RecPlex.

    “I told (constituents) ‘No, you’ll have time when it comes before the city or we’ll have a forum where you can actually speak.’ And then when I come in tonight and see most everybody is wearing blue (smoke-free supporters) and the ones signed up for the smokers forum, and then I found out right before the meeting that it was known that Dr. Davis was going to give a report, no disrespect to Rick (Davis) because I love the man dearly, so it’s very difficult to speak in opposition, but the calls I got were all in my ward, they were all opposed to us regulating them and there’s different things I want the entire community to have an opportunity to voice because I was elected to be the voice of the people, not to be my choice.

    “ … I’m not going to go into all my reasons tonight, but I do feel that this was inappropriate. The aldermen have not discussed this, I have not, there was a study session where I showed some opposition, I’m not part of the committee, I didn’t know a committee met, and the citizens got to see the ordinance one or two days before the forum that was this month.

    “So I don’t feel this is being treated like we did a serious one like the liquor ordinance that gave six months, I think, of public input because of the business impact. There’s a huge impact to a lot of the businesses and I feel they have a right to be a part of this.”

    In addition to her issues with the process, Bohinc also said she is against the ordinance in general.

    “I don’t smoke,” she said. “I choose not to go to (smoking) places. We only have 1 percent of businesses that allow smoking. Ninety-nine percent are smoke-free that people can choose.”

    The rest of the board had an opportunity to weigh in after Mayor Raeanne Presley asked if the aldermen believed the city was heading in the right direction with the ordinance. The other five aldermen showed support for the ordinance.

    Aldermen Rick Todd, Bob Simmons, Mike Booth and Patrick Parnell said they believe the city is heading in the right direction and the forum was a great way to get feedback.

    Booth expressed some concern about the inclusion of e-cigarettes in the ordinance, but had no complaints process-wise.

    Simmons said he would not be opposed to pushing the readings of the bill to a later date to provide more time for dialogue on the ordinance.

    Parnell echoed a similar sentiment by noting he was pleased to hear residents would have multiple opportunities to speak to the board at a public podium while they were considering the ordinance.


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