Never Really Dead

I agree with Brendan O’Neill. Calling it the “nanny state” implies that it’s essentially caring and well-meaning, in ways that nannies are supposed to be. “Bully state” is nearer the mark, because bullies aren’t in the least bit caring or well-meaning.

It’s such a forgiving term for the problem that we face today. 

It gives the impression that the problem today is that we are surrounded by bossy Mary Poppins figures pointing a stern finger at us for being naughty. It implies that the problem with the modern state is that it’s a bit patronising and whiny, always ready to snatch our cigarettes or booze from us or stop us from having a party. 

And that is a serious underestimation of what is going on.

What we have in the 21st century is not just an irritating, killjoy nanny state, but an utterly out-of-control bureaucratic imperative, an unhinged interventionist dynamic that has lost any sense of what areas of life it is appropriate for the authorities to intervene in and what areas of life the authorities should leave well alone.

We live under governments that relentlessly interfere in family life, in home life, in private life; governments which think nothing of telling parents how to raise their kids, or telling adults how to have sex, or setting out to reshape the masses’ behaviour and even our minds.

We live under a state that seems to think that individuals should have no internal moral life of their own. That isn’t quaint or eccentric or nannyish. We need to face up to the fact that the modern state has more in common with the Inquisition than it does with Mary Poppins.

If anything it’s really a technological, eugenicist state, engaged in a vast social engineering project. The goal is to create an ideal human type, that is smoke-free, alcohol-free, slim, fit, vegetarian, sustainable, low-carbon, environmentally-friendly, etc. This will be ‘progress’. And that means denormalising and demonising and excluding smokers and drinkers and tubbies and meat-eaters and anyone else who’s non-ideal in any way whatsoever.

It’s essentially a new variant of Nazism. It’s just (at the moment, anyway) a soft Nazism without selections and gas chambers, that uses rules and regulations and media campaigns to cajole and bully and shame everyone into conformity. But it could at any moment metamorphose into fully-fledged, genocidal Nazism because it’s underlying logic is essentially genocidal: it’s trying, after all, to get rid of undesirable traits. And when cajoling and bullying don’t work, mass murder will be the only remaining option.

It’s also a soft Nazism because it’s not overtly racist or homophobic. But this is just a temporary historical expedient, and when its true genocidal character finally emerges, gays and lesbians and Jews and blacks won’t be spared either.

Nobody should be too surprised at the re-emergence of Nazism and eugenics. It was all the rage barely a century ago, not just in Germany but also Britain and America. It was how most educated, progressive people thought. People like George Bernard Shaw. And it never really went away. It was never really dead. It just renamed itself Public Health or Lifestyle Medicine, and slowly floated back up again, like a blind and bloated corpse ascending from the depths of a lake, its distended right arm raised in rigid salute.



The new Nudge Industry, which makes the so-called “nanny state” look almost harmless in comparison, wants to use subtle, hidden “nudges” to help us all become better, slimmer, healthier, happier citizens. 

The use of such underhand nudging to remould the populace is built on the idea that people are so “systematically irrational” – in the words of a report produced by the Nudge Unit in Downing Street – that we must be guided like children towards better ways of living.



And how does the Nudge Unit propose to do that? Through becoming our “surrogate willpower”. One of its reports actually uses that phrase: surrogate willpower. I think we should all take a moment to think about what this terrifying phrase means. The suggestion is that people are so foolish, so fickle, so “systematically irrational”, that officialdom must become our minds; it must think and make decisions on our behalf; it must become our will.

It’s the Triumph of the Will all over again. Or rather the triumph of their will over everybody else’s will.

And what’s truly shocking (for me) about this new Nazism is that its ideology seems to have permeated the whole of British society (and more or less every other society as well) without anyone really noticing. So now we have a Eton-educated Conservative Prime Minister who has set up a ‘Nudge Unit’ whose goal is to cajole and bully everyone into conformity with some ideal. Clearly here is a man who has no regard whatsoever for freedom or democracy or conscience or any other traditional British values.

What we’re really witnessing is the unravelling of the Enlightenment itself. The Enlightenment was based on the idea that individuals should be free to carve out their own moral and spiritual path in life without being hectored, harried or “corrected” by their rulers.

Nevertheless Cameron is now busy lecturing the Russians, upon whom he wants to impose the collective will of the EU and US:

David Cameron last night warned Vladimir Putin his billionaire ‘cronies’ will have their assets frozen in London unless he co-operates with the probe into Flight MH17.

The Prime Minister vented his fury at Russia’s obstruction in a 30-minute phone call – the first direct contact between the leaders since the jet was shot down with the loss of 298 lives.

Not that Putin is any better.

MOSCOW, July 21. /ITAR-TASS/. Speaker of the Moscow city legislature says Russia’s federal anti-tobacco law is too harsh.

“The law’s goal is not to catch and punish smokers but to demonstrate that smoking is a bad habit,” Vladimir Platonov of the Moscow City Duma told a news conference on Monday.

No, Mr Platonov, you’ve got it back to front. The law’s goal is not to demonstrate that smoking is a bad habit (laws seldom ‘demonstrate’ anything); the law’s goal is to demonise and exclude and punish smokers. And you have rather a lot of them in Russia, I believe.

 

P.S. Sometime over the next 8 – 10 hours, Blog Stats (currently 999,589 hits) shown in the right margin, will likely record this blog’s millionth hit. I’ll award a maracanã (which means green bird in Tupi–Guarani) to the first commenter to witness it.

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57 Responses to Never Really Dead

  1. Fredrik Eich says:

    Frank,
    I hate to disappoint you but of those 999,589 hits precisely 999,009 were from me hitting refresh.
    Well it could have only been about 999,004 hits from me but its hard for me to keep count.

    Anyway, congrats!

  2. SomeFrenchBloke says:

    “Or rather the triumph of their will over everybody else’s will.”

    Or lack thereof? The terrifying ‘surrogate willpower’ thrives on the equally terrifying listlesness and apathy of the ‘socially-engineered’.
    On a similar note, “the overall health consciousness that is around us now making anti smoking an easier sell” (petesquiz’ post from yesterday) is more often than not basically media-induced, iatrogenic health obsessiveness that bypasses rational scrutiny.

  3. Stevel says:

    It is all a case of do what I say not what I do.Just like the U.S.A condeming Russia for its alledged involvment in the plane shooting,when they themselves have never appoligised for shooting down an Irainian civil aircraft killing all 290 people on board and the plane was in Irainian air space!This happend in 1986 I think.How easily they forget.

  4. harleyrider1978 says:

    David Cameron last night warned Vladimir Putin his billionaire ‘cronies’ will have their assets frozen in London unless he co-operates with the probe into Flight MH17.

    So The PM is threatening to steal the money of folks not even at fault or guilt just because the PM wants to be Pissed off and act all big and tough………….

    Thatd be like Frank getting a speeding ticket and then making me pay for it in America.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Cameron also said that Russia was culpable because the missile used to shoot down MH17 was Russian made.

      So any time anyone gets killed by a Kalashnikov, it’s Russia’s fault.

  5. harleyrider1978 says:

    I just Love this part:

    We live under a state that seems to think that individuals should have no internal moral life of their own. That isn’t quaint or eccentric or nannyish. We need to face up to the fact that the modern state has more in common with the Inquisition than it does with Mary Poppins.

  6. harleyrider1978 says:

    Blog Stats
    ◾999,849 hits
    Frank I refreshed and it didn’t change for me………………..How am I suppose to get this tasty jungle bird dinner if I cant cheat the system………….

    maracanã (which means green bird in Tupi

    Is it like turkey or Buzzard…………….Ive eaten Both when times was good or when bad…

    • Frank Davis says:

      I think it’s like parrot.

      But don’t trust me on that.

      • prog says:

        I thought it was a dance performed by tourists in Benidorm

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Hey if it flies,crawls,or walks it can be eaten…………….

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Blog Stats
        ◾1,000,618 hits
        Damn missed it by 618 hits

        • nisakiman says:

          I logged on here this morning, and after I read Frank’s comment about the stats, I scrolled down to where they are. Just as I was getting to that part of the page, we had a power cut. Boom! I have a battery backup, but it’s only a cheap one, and just gives me enough time to shut down properly (I use a desktop), so I didn’t get to see the stats. When the power came back on about an hour later, I went back to look at the stats, and they were at 1,000,064.

          Damn! I could have won that parrot if the power hadn’t gone off! I wuz robbed!

        • Frank Davis says:

          Well you can have a green bird anyway.

          maracana

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          Well the Nashville zoo has a lot of parrots………..

        • beobrigitte says:

          LOOOOL!!!
          *Congrats, Frank!!*
          (I can’t see any stats and a green bird would have been eating by one of my cats; nevertheless, you’ve hit the 1 mio mark!!!)

        • beobrigitte says:

          typos….. yet again!! EATEN it is, of course!!!

  7. Mike Spilligan says:

    I really like the term “Soft Nazism”. What’s more worrying is the way in which the Soft Nazis are permanently, incestuously interconnected – and all paid for by taxpayers.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      The day will come when we will be forced to fight yet another war because of these soft Nazi bastards. Our sons and Daughters will be its victims and our cultures salvation.

      We fight today laying the groundwork for the reestablishment of freedom for those kids.

      May god have mercy on our enemies as I surely wont!

  8. waltc says:

    The Nurse Ratched state – Baltimore Sun
    articles.baltimoresun.com/…/1997178010_1_statism-human-behavior-socia…
    The Nurse Ratched state. June 27, 1997|By Michael Kelly.

    The American version, 1997, so Kelly had the jump on this. Superbly written piece and I’d say a Must Read. I believe he was once the editor of The Atlantc, but a reporter at heart, he was killed covering either the War in Afghanistan or Iraq..

    I’m not sure the murders when they come will be directly by the state but rather more and more at the hands of the state- inflamed citizenry — guys like the ones who slashed the judge and the other woman in this week’s news. Not that these events are new either. Clash has a collection of various murders and assaults on smokers going back for many years. The genie of permissible hate, let out of the bottle, isn’t easily stuffed back in.

    • waltc says:

      Crap. I thought the link would be hot but I’m still learning the ropes of the iPad. Google the article title + Kelly and you’ll get there. Well worth the trouble.

      • beobrigitte says:

        The old statism believed in an activist government that sought to use the power of the state for do-gooding social engineering: redistributing wealth; improving the health, education and welfare of the citizenry; enforcing equality under the law; sponsoring works that added to public safety and well-being (roads, hospitals, rural electrification); warring against threats to the public good (polio, organized crime, urban slums).

        Well, we still have Polio (TB is on the increase, this time ANTIBIOTIC RESISTANT); organized crime has not been dented (the anti-smokers are still financing utter nonsense to be broadcast) and urban slums still exist.

        We need a goovernment with a backbone.

        Exploit public approval

        In the schemes of the new statism, politicians identify a vaguely defined but universally supported good (minorities should not be lTC discriminated against, disabled people should have a chance to work, children should not smoke), and then exploit public approval of this good to win acceptance of a new and vast expansion of the state’s powers, finally rendering opposition to this expansion illegal.

        Tobacco Control pure. CREATES public approval to exploid it for it’s BELIEF.

  9. Talking of ‘hits’, it very recently hit me that our whole (Western) society has been recreated by eugenicists. They’re not Nazis as such, but socialists/communists, which some would argue are one and the same anyway with a few tweaks.

    It’s why the ‘master race’ idea has resurfaced, as you graphically phrased it, like a blind and bloated corpse ascending from the depths of a lake, its distended right arm raised in rigid salute.

    But he never really died. He was like Dracula, asleep in his coffin by day and working undercover at night, out of sight, in the guise of the likes of the Fabian Society, “named after Roman general Fabius Maximus (nicknamed “Cunctator”, meaning “the Delayer”). His Fabian strategy advocated tactics of harassment and attrition rather than head-on battles against the Carthaginian army under the renowned general Hannibal”. (Wikipedia)

    The Fabian window designed by early member George Bernard Shaw shows their recently defunct (I believe) symbol of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Either side, you have Sidney Webb and G.B. Shaw hammering away at the earth as an anvil, shattering it to rebuild it in their image.

    The window had been stolen and when found, was donated to the London School of Economics (which was founded by four Fabian members) where Tony Blair, then PM (and a Fabian) “spoke about the remarkable way the Fabians influenced the Labour party, not just in its creation but also in its economic, political and intellectual development. ‘Despite all the very obvious differences in policy and attitude and positioning… a lot of the values that the Fabians and George Bernard Shaw stood for would be very recognisable, at least I hope they would, in today’s Labour party.'” (lse.ac.uk)

    The early ‘pioneers’ of ‘soft’ eugenics included Margaret Sanger of Planned Parenthood (privately wanted blacks exterminated through sterilisation). The abortion mills of America are now killing as many blacks every three days as the Ku Klux Klan lynched in all of its history.

    Over here, the demented Marie Stopes called for sterilisation of ‘undesirable’ types while sending adoring poetry to Hitler. Now we have ‘clinics’ named after this lunatic who cut out her son from her will because he married a short-sighted woman. Their MD is a government advisor on teenage pregnancy strategy, as is the CEO of the other famous abortion ‘provider’ BPAS (British Pregnancy Advisory Service). That’s why they keep advising lower ages for sex ‘education’ with Fabian Ed Balls championing sex ed for five year olds. Now the sickos are targeting nurseries.

    Because the Fabians knew that to destroy the family was the only way that total socialism could be achieved, by creating sexual confusion and separating love from sex seems to be an effective way of creating dysfunction and prevented a lot of people from the last generation or two settling down to normal family life.

    And the proles bought ‘family planning’ hook, line and sinker. But while they thought they were doing the planning to have a better life (one or two children and more money to spend on a better house/car/TV) it was the elites doing the planning to destroy the family and reduce the population.

    Then came feminism and ‘a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle’ and the rest of the sexual ‘liberation’ of the 60s, which was actually consigning future generations to loneliness, single families, disease and regrets from playing around and general struggle and strife. Another consequence has been the need for millions more houses for all the singletons and house prices going through the roof. Combined with draconian planning legislation, we have been consigned to living cheek-by-jowl in tiny houses. The old tenement flats in Glasgow are huge compared to some of the more modern offerings.

    And what’s truly shocking (for me) about this new Nazism is that its ideology seems to have permeated the whole of British society (and more or less every other society as well) without anyone really noticing.

    This was the Fabian trick. Their other logo was the tortoise as they knew they would have to move imperceptibly slowly so that people wouldn’t catch on to these wolves in sheep’s clothing taking over every institution.

    Why religions have to go and we cannot be allowed to follow our conscience is, as another Fabian H.G. Wells put it, that the old religions of the world must give way to the new religion of collectivism. The new religion should be the state and the state should take charge of all human activity.

    Finally, I knew the name of Ezra Taft Benson from my Mormon days (he was a former President/’Prophet’) but before that, was Dwight Eisenhower’s Secretary of Agriculture, who said:

    I have talked face to face with the godless communist leaders. It may surprise you to learn that I was host to Mr. Kruschev for a half day when he visited the United States, not that I’m proud of it. I opposed his coming then, and I still feel it was a mistake to welcome this atheistic murderer as a state visitor. But, according to President Eisenhower, Kruschev had expressed a desire to learn something of American Agriculture — and after seeing Russian agriculture I can understand why. As we talked face to face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his and all other grandchildren will live under freedom he arrogantly declared in substance:

    “You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”

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  12. Supergran says:

    I have watched and read EVERYTHING I could lay my hands on about the holocaust. The question I have asked endlessly is Why oh Why did they all just walk onto the trains, walk into the gas chambers etc. When you think of SIX MILLION people, why no massive battles, massive uprising, massive reprisals etc.
    I guess on todays topic – like Frank said “it seems to have permeated the whole of British society WITHOUT ANYONE SEEMING to have noticed”??? Perhaps, the holocaust just “happened” slowly, incipidly, without any actually NOTICING till it was too late? Ah, I dont know, but these are worrying times.

    • Frank Davis says:

      Perhaps, the holocaust just “happened” slowly, incipidly, without any actually NOTICING till it was too late?

      I think that’s exactly what happened. And it’s what’s now happening with smokers. They’ve slowly been excluded and demonised. And nobody notices the slow process. In fact, many people actively participate, by introducing their own demonising and excluding home smoking bans. And they’re oblivious to the smokers standing outside pubs or stations. They’ve learned to not notice them, to avert their eyes. Smokers have become non-persons, people who don’t count. It hasn’t got to the point where smokers are being rounded up and gassed, but it’s not far off. And no-one will notice it when it happens.

      So the smoking ban has explained to me something I didn’t understand either (and I read everything I could get hold of too): how the holocaust could happen.

      Incidentally, antisemitism is on the rise along with antismoking. I read yesterday how Jews were fleeing to Israel from France in increasing numbers. It’s nominally anti-Israel or anti-Zionism, but it actually boils down to antisemitism.

      • Supergran says:

        And when the time could (came) for gassing – would most of us (smokers) feel so downtrodden, maladjusted and worthless that we would walk on willingly – like so many in the holocaust? Jeeezus! And would our friends just turn a blind eye (pretend like they couldn’t see what was happening?) And would the world “look the other way” – like the holocaust – until they actually LIBERATED Auchwitcz (or wherever) and then “see the light” see what they did? Be shocked. Be shamed?????

      • nisakiman says:

        There won’t be any gas chambers, just a creeping criminalisation of smoking – it’s already started – until smoking itself becomes illegal, and those caught will be carted off to jail for ‘re-education’.

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          In America last time we had smoking bans they actually got tobacco and its tools outlawed from even being processed by anyone!

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        Frank there is something to be noted about Nazi Germany and its top dogs.

        Goebells Smoked even Goering smoked and especially the troops smoked and even Hitler made sure the front line troops had their smokes.

        I guess what Im getting at is smoking crosses all political boundaries and in the end it really doesn’t matter if your a smoker or not. It boils down to using anti-smoking as a political tool to other political goals basically a conditioning process of the masses by government for more draconian measures.

        Maybe we haven’t been the main target all along but the main scape goats to another higher target.

        This is just a thought,nothing more.

        • roobeedoo2 says:

          I’m sure Public Health is being lined up as the New World Religion – ‘can’t agree on a god – here’s one … You already have the ‘temple”

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          I have a sacrifice to the new gods already in mind……………..44-40 if they come to my door!

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          But spilling Blood in the name of religion is as old as religion itself!

        • beobrigitte says:

          and even Hitler made sure the front line troops had their smokes.

          The soldiers’ smokes were rationed. From what I was told Hitler was adviced to supply his soldiers with tobacco. The soldiers were very young – ans scared.
          Even when deserters (soldiers going AWOL) were caught and subsequently shot, they were allowed ‘one for the road’ and a last cigarette.

          This does remind me of something:
          “They have other things on their minds,” Mr Sheldon says. “Inmates have gotten tired of co-operating with these rituals of death.”

          Alcohol is prohibited, and requests for cigarettes and bubble gum have been turned down.
          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15040658

      • beobrigitte says:

        Thanks, Frank! The BBC is rather coy (as per usual) when it comes to a balanced report. Or even a report.

        One commenter said:
        Jews in Europe are not in the remotest way to blame for anything Israel does so it’s patently clear that antisemitism drives this.

        This struck a note: once society is being coerced into condemning THEIR own members, society feels free to draw on others.

        France, the country of laid back people? Not anymore, so it seems. First, it’s politicians promoted the Burqa ban without addressing the issue of the structure of a strict muslim household. (The women they wanted to set “free” are holed up inside their homes – depending on the rules their husbands have laid out).

        Isn’t it ironic that an ad for the cartoon “The Nutjob” preceeds the video?
        http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/22/France-s-violent-new-form-of-anti-Semitism-fuels-exodus-to-Israel

        The Israel-Palestine situation is equivalent to many, many, many barrels of TNT with the fuse being lit…. The whole thing is a mess, partly created and aided by us europeans from the “safe” zone.
        In the EU there seems to be more and more and more disgruntled people (I do wonder how much smoking bans and nannie-state control plays a role in this) – all of a sudden hell breaks lose in our “quiet” neighbourhood.

    • beobrigitte says:

      I guess on todays topic – like Frank said “it seems to have permeated the whole of British society WITHOUT ANYONE SEEMING to have noticed”??? Perhaps, the holocaust just “happened” slowly, incipidly, without any actually NOTICING till it was too late? Ah, I dont know, but these are worrying times.

      Indeed, it did happen slowly. First there was a media driven hate campaign, then the jews were kicked out; first their jobs then their homes. Then they were rounded up.

      The media driven hate campaign against smokers (and lately vapers) continues. Smokers (and lately vapers) are being kicked out of buildings (even elderly smokers lose their flats!) and more and more smokers find it hard to get a job.
      http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-denied-employment-smoking.html
      Question:

      I just got turned down for a job. The interviewer asked me whether I smoke. I answered honestly that I do, although I’ve tried several times to quit. The interviewer apologized, told me the company doesn’t hire smokers, and suggested that I reapply once I’ve kicked the habit. Is this legal?

      Since we are living far too long for the anti-smokers’ propaganda to be plausible, the question: ‘when are they coming to round us up’ does not sound too far fetched.

  13. Barry Homan says:

    I spotted this way down in the comments section from some link, one posted here a few weeks ago – I forget where. This fellow seemed to say it very well, it’s what I’ve always felt like expressing. I feel it’s the right time to share it, it ties in generally with the brunt of Frank’s writing above.

    I’ve cleaned up the text and grammar a little, but haven’t altered the message:

    “It’d be nice if they (the bullies, the prohibitionists) would put some energy into running their own lives, in an exemplary manner, and work to persuade by example instead of using the power of government to coerce, wouldn’t it?

    But this will never happen. They never take responsibility for themselves. Trying to control and reform others is their escape from their own failures and inner insecurity. In psychoanalytic terminology the phenomenon is termed “displacement”, an unconscious defence mechanism whereby the mind substitutes either a new aim or a new object (a person) for certain goals – goals felt in their original form to be either dangerous or unacceptable. In the case of leftists, typically they are people lacking in introspection, neurotically insecure, knowing that they need to fix certain aspects about themselves, but they’re too insecure, too lazy, and too lacking in confidence to do anything; so they find an external, symbolic event and substitute it as a goal (all non-conscious stuff) that they set out to fix: global warming, other people’s diets, or some such vague goal.

    The reason this works particularly well for leftists is that in general, they make up a body of people in a term coined in David Reisman’s book “The Lonely Crowd” – or “other-directed”. This means that they do not have a lot of inner-rooted values or sense of themselves, but rather live their lives through radar detectors: feeling out the environment around them, trying to conform to the values of those similar, other-directed people around them; hence, they are easily manipulated into joining groups, and into directing their inner confusion into focusing on external events.

    “This is also part of why they tend to be quite commonly narcissistic, immature, and great manipulators of others – made all the better at this by being unprincipled. By contrast, classic Conservatives tend to be “inner-directed”, meaning that they were either raised with, or have developed, a set of values and ideals – as well as an ideal of themselves, which they are guided by. They tend to focus on what they do, how they do it, what they accomplish, and to work on their own self-improvement. As Reisman’s book noted, this “inner-directed” type was the norm for America through the 1950s; but with the advent of mass culture, TV, media proliferation, the youth movement of the 1960s – and increased geographical movement – the “other-directed” types became far more common.

    Unsurprisingly, other-directed types tend to thrive on endeavours driven by reading the radar of the people around them: the arts, film-making, journalism, politics. You don’t find them as much in endeavours that require self-reliance, a strong core of inner values, and self-directness – the military, engineering, physics, medicine – the hard sciences. There are some exceptions both ways, but they are exceptions. In the current context, the weakness of the Conservatives is that having some rooting in values, they tend not to be good manipulators; they tend to be poor politicians, but good at actually doing real stuff in the real world – which of course makes them prey for the leftists.”

    Two very different types of people.

  14. petesquiz says:

    I just thought I’d share this with you all – the Birmingham Director of Public Health (whatever that is!) Dr Adrian Phillips has come out and said that e-cigarettes SHOULD be allowed in “our fight against smoking”.

    http://birminghamnewsroom.com/2014/07/is-it-time-to-e-ase-up-on-vaping/

    Whilst the conclusion is positive, I’m not so sure about the rest of it – no doubt your more experienced correspondents will be able to dissect it better than me!

    I’ve no problem with having a Director of Public Health to provide an overview of the situation and to even offer advice…but that’s as far as it should go! It isn’t his role to ‘want’ people to do anything, nor should there be a ‘fight’ against smoking. Offer advice and give people the means to change their lives, but that should be the end of ‘nanny’s’ powers!

    • Frank Davis says:

      It isn’t his role to ‘want’ people to do anything, nor should there be a ‘fight’ against smoking.

      Well,exactly. These people have got above themselves. The medical profession needs to be purged of the likes of Dr Adrian Phillips.

  15. epiphany says:

    I asked myself these same questions as I watched films of the Jews rounded up, led to a forest where they lined up before a mass grave to be executed. Why, why why did they not overpower their captors and execute them instead? Why did they allow this as they watched line after line of their fellow captives murdered, knowing they were next? Sure, some would have died in the effort, but not all. They would have also maintained dignity as they fought for their lives. BUT they did not fight back. A psychiatrist explained it best when he said that the terror was just too much to comprehend, and the mind could not allow it, so they blanked out as it happened. People cannot perceive that degree of evil. It is, I fear, that way now, starting with smokers who accept their gradual push out of society and say and do nothing. No one wants to believe that this kind of evil still lives in our world. After all, we defeated the NAZIS, didn’t we? I think not. These are terrifying times.

  16. harleyrider1978 says:

    Audrey Silk

    July 19 at 4:24am.

    There’s some good tidbits here but, as for the rest, as we’ve said for years… fellow smokers are our own worst enemy. And people wonder why — with the millions of people who smoke — we can’t simply raise an army. Until we can reach them to de-program them, those of us who know to cherish freedom rather than accept (even welcome) paternalism have to advocate FOR the weak and ignorant:

    “[M]ore smokers think restrictions on smoking in public places are justified than do not think so, a sign that smokers do not uniformly oppose all anti-smoking measures.”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/173990/smokers-say-higher-cigarette-taxes-unjust.aspx

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Since Gallup was basically bought off by the Nazis a few years back and started producing polling that the Nazis wanted I don’t pay much attention to their findings anymore. Theres just to much graft anymore when it comes to smoking to believe anything put out anymore.

  17. harleyrider1978 says:

    If anybody cares to read the latest Nazi propaganda

    Tobacco Product Use Among Adults — United States, 2012–2013

    Please note: An erratum has been published for this article. To view the erratum, please click here.

    On June 24, 2014, this report was posted as an MMWR Early Release on the MMWR website (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr).

    Weekly
    June 27, 2014 / 63(25);542-547

    Israel T. Agaku, DMD1,2, Brian A. King, PhD1, Corinne G. Husten, MD3, Rebecca Bunnell, ScD1, Bridget K. Ambrose, PhD3, S. Sean Hu, MD1, Enver Holder-Hayes, MPH3, Hannah R. Day, PhD3 (Author affiliations at end of text)

    Despite significant declines in cigarette smoking among U.S. adults over the past five decades, progress has slowed in recent years, and the prevalence of use of other tobacco products such as cigars and smokeless tobacco has not changed (1,2). Additionally, the prevalence of use of emerging products, including electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes), has rapidly increased (3). This report provides the most recent national estimates of tobacco use among adults aged ≥18 years, using data from the 2012–2013 National Adult Tobacco Survey (NATS). The findings indicate that 21.3% of U.S. adults used a tobacco product every day or some days, and 25.2% used a tobacco product every day, some days, or rarely. Population-level interventions focused on the diversity of tobacco product use, including tobacco price increases, high-impact antitobacco mass media campaigns, comprehensive smoke-free laws, and enhanced access to help quitting, in conjunction with Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulation of tobacco products, are critical to reducing tobacco-related diseases and deaths in the United States (4).

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6325a3.htm?s_cid=mm6325a3_w

  18. harleyrider1978 says:

    Hiring Discrimination for Smokers, Obese Rejected in U.S.

    Americans say higher health insurance rates for smokers are justified

    by Rebecca Riffkin

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Fewer than one in eight Americans, 12%, say companies should be allowed to refuse to hire people because they are significantly overweight. Similarly, 14% of Americans say companies should be allowed to refuse to hire smokers.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/174035/hiring-discrimination-smokers-obese-rejected.aspx

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Lets see does amoking on the job cause you to be high or drunk on the job!

      No it makes you more ALERT! It makes your attention to detail sharper thus producing a more productive worker!

  19. carol2000 says:

    “Calling it the “nanny state” implies that it’s essentially caring and well-meaning, in ways that nannies are supposed to be.”

    That’s the first part of what I’ve been saying all along. And the second part is that anti-smokers are criminals, because they deliberately commit scientific fraud to rob us of our liberties. This is automatically a violation of our Constitutional rights to the equal protection of the laws, just as much as if threw purposely threw innocent people in prison. And for the government to spread lies about phony smoking dangers is terrorism, no different from calling in phony bomb threats.

  20. harleyrider1978 says:

    Oh your going to love this one!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Third-Hand Smoke Is a Liver Disease Foe

    Dr. Jonathan P. Winickoff, the lead author of the MassGeneral study and an assistant professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School describes third-hand smoke as what one smells when a smoker gets in an elevator after going outside for a cigarette, or in a hotel room where smoking occurred previously. According to Winickoff, “Your nose isn’t lying. The stuff is so toxic that your brain is telling you to get away.”

    Although third-hand smoke is not visible as white or grayish hovering clouds, this toxic residue can still cause a host of human health problems. Three of the many substances in third-hand smoke that make it so dangerous are:
    1.Hydrogen Cyanide – Metabolized extensively in the liver, hydrogen cyanide was used as a weapon by the Germans in World War II. Used in chemical warfare, hydrogen cyanide can destroy cells because it actually interferes with the release of oxygen to tissues.
    2.Toluene – Also metabolized by the liver, this solvent is known to harm the central nervous system.
    3.Arsenic – Arsenic is a known poison; consuming or breathing in large quantities of arsenic can cause death. It is also a human carcinogen that has been shown to cause skin, lung, bladder, liver, kidney and prostate cancer.

    The toxins in third-hand smoke can not only harm children, but it can also exacerbate liver disease. This realization emphasizes the importance of our sense of smell – and consciously avoiding people or locations where smoking has occurred. As awareness of third-hand smoke grows, legislation to protect children from its effects is sure to follow. Luckily, such laws will also benefit those who have fewer functioning liver cells. But don’t wait for lawmakers to restrict where smokers can light up, those concerned with protecting their liver from third-hand smoke should let their nose lead the way
    http://www.liversupport.com/wordpress/2014/07/third-hand-smoke-is-a-liver-disease-foe/

    Anyone still not LYAO can now do so!

  21. harleyrider1978 says:

    You may want to look at the Godber Blueprint (www.rampant-antismoking.com) to see how far back (1975) the tricks and ‘tactics’ of the current antismoking crusade go.

  22. harleyrider1978 says:

    Port Fairy smoking ban bid fails

    By ANTHONY BRADY
    July 24, 2014, 4 a.m.

    A PORT Fairy resident who wanted to rid society of “one of the most dangerous substances known to man” has lost his bid to have smoking banned in the town’s CBD.

    Smokers will still be able to indulge themselves in the shopping area after Moyne Shire councillors rejected Michael Price’s idea.

    Mr Price last month presented council with a petition signed by traders and residents and this week addressed the council meeting, outlining his hopes to get rid of nicotine. Mr Price told councillors that his father was on oxygen because he had smoked cigarettes.

    The shire’s environment and planning director Oliver Moles said smoking was already being dealt with through regulations at federal and state levels.

    Mr Moles said there would be financial implications if council introduced a smoking ban because it would take more local laws officers to enforce the rule. He said they would also need a presence on public holidays and weekends if the law was to be administered properly.

    While councillors voted unanimously to reject the smoking ban, Cr Colin Ryan praised Mr Price for his efforts.

    “I appreciate his endeavours to get this passed at council with the community in mind, but as indicated by Mr Moles, there are restrictions as to what we can do,” Cr Ryan said. “At some stage in the future, smoking will be banned in public.”
    http://www.standard.net.au/story/2438068/port-fairy-smoking-ban-bid-fails/?cs=72

  23. harleyrider1978 says:

    Cr Ryan said. “At some stage in the future, smoking will be banned in public

    Has he been told something that we haven’t heard yet or is he talking out his arse!

  24. harleyrider1978 says:

    Something is up in IRELAND

    Reilly loses out on
major smoking and obesity role

    HE has just left the Health Department, and it seems Children’s Minister James Reilly will only have a minor role with policies on tackling obesity and cigarettes.

    The minister won’t have direct responsibility for public health, and none of those functions will be moving with him.

    Health Minister Leo Varadkar is understood to have been opposed to having elements of his department moved – and has won the battle.

    When Dr Reilly was moved from the Department of Health to the Department of Children, a range of areas of public health policy were supposed to move with him.

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny is believed to have been in favour of the move as it put a sweetener on his demotion from the Department of Health.

    Dr Reilly himself spoke last week about officials meeting to discuss “the most appropriate parts to bring to the Department of Children and Youth Affairs”.

    However, Dr Reilly overstepped the mark and will not be getting complete control of the area or taking it with him.

    Instead, he will just be involved in policy development and publicity around childhood obesity and anti-tobacco policy.

    appropriate

    But these two areas will remain a part of the public health unit in the Department of Health, which also covers fitness, vaccinations and 
immunisation.

    “The functions are to stay in the Department of Health. Contrary to what he told the Oir-
eachtas committee last week, all legislative functions will stay in the department,” a department source said.

    Dr Reilly was involved in campaigns around childhood obesity and reducing smoking, including the introduction of plain cigarette packaging.

    Last week, the minister told the Oireachtas Health and Children Committee that senior officials from both departments were meeting to decide on “the most appropriate parts” to bring over. But Dr Reilly will not be given full control.

    http://www.herald.ie/news/reilly-loses-out-onmajor-smoking-and-obesity-role-30451995.html

  25. Jay says:

    I haven’t yet read the comments so someone might already have made this point but ‘surrogate willpower’ is a nonsensical concept, it’s an impossibility and it’s frightening that those who have influence believe it’s a possibility and that they have the right to exercise it.

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