Quit Vaping

Interesting ad spotted by Chris Snowdon:

tubeadnocorette

 

I read that to be a Quit Vaping ad. First they wanted people to quit smoking. Now they want them to quit vaping.

I wondered how Nicorette Quickmist worked. Here’s an explanation:

It’s a spray. Or at least it produces a spray after it’s been operated a few times, by squirting nicotine into the faces of people in front of you. And when you’ve finally got it to produce a spray, you must avoid spraying it on your lips, or inhaling or swallowing the spray.

Not much fun.

No wonder NRT sales are plummeting, as Dick Puddlecote reported earlier this year:

According to the latest figures, the market for nicotine replacement therapy in France has fallen by 6.6% in 2013 to under 100 million euros of turnover (99.2 million to be exact) for the first time since 2010. “If we look at only the last quarter, the figures are even worse. Declining by 17% and even 35% for patches,” explains Sophie Ragot.

For laboratories that market nicotine replacement therapy (GSK, Pierre Fabre, Johnson & Johnson), the economic outlook is bleak for the coming year. They predict a double-digit decline in the market for nicotine replacement in 2014, before stagnating in 2015. “The hardest thing is that we still do not know really how to act in relation to this phenomenon. We do not know much about the principles of e-cigarettes,” said Sophie Ragot.

At the same time, the use of electronic cigarettes has skyrocketed. According to a recent figures from Collectif des acteurs de la cigarette électronique (CACE), 2 million French vape regularly. This market, which was virtually non-existent in 2009, today accounts for around 100 million euros, equal to the market for nicotine replacement therapy.

I’ll just carry on smoking the real thing.

 

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28 Responses to Quit Vaping

  1. Nightlight says:

    I’ll just carry on smoking the real thing.

    The long term effects of e-cigs are yet to be discovered. Both of the common e-cigs carrier liquids, especially the propylene glycol (alternative is glycerine) have potential for some nasty effects when chronically inhaled (as oil industry byproducts it’s essentially liquid volatile plastic).

    My bet is that the outcome will turn out eventually like butter vs margarine rivalry, where margarine (another oil industry waste product) was hailed for decades as a healthy alternative to the allegedly artery clogging butter, yet the real effects eventually conceded are exactly the opposite. I never went for the “healthy” margarine hype (I couldn’t stand its plasticky taste anyway), and don’t plan to go for the e-cigs either. I think that people who claim to feel better with e-cigs may have merely freed themselves from the nocebo injected into their minds by the antismoking propaganda. It’s like someone after falling sick from a witch doctor curse, getting better after the curse is lifted.

    • Fredrik Eich says:

      I want to know if ecig users put on wieght and have increased risk of hypertension/high blood pressure as is seen in randomised smoking cessation studies.

      • Nightlight says:

        Recently I ran in nootropic forum on a thread “I found the cause to my cognitive decline” where member complained about a mysterious loss of mental sharpness which no “smart drugs” (nootropics) he tried seem to help. Here is that cause he discovered, in his own words:

        —————
        “A few months ago I posted about my experience in relation to losing my once sharp astute mental abilities, and I was attempting to associate it to the long term intake of the vast number of supplements that I was taking at the time.” …

        “I attempted to quit smoking in 2010. I invested in an electronic cigarette and began to take up vaping. I thoroughly enjoyed it, saved endless amounts of money and my sleep improved (along with a host of supplements I began to take).

        But that is when the cognitive decline for myself started. Ever since I stopped smoking and began to vape electronic cigarettes. The liquid used in the electronic cigarettes are either Propelyne Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin. As far as I am aware, I have not and do not have an allergy to either substance.

        In January, of this year, I had forgotten to stock up on e-liquid in order to vape, and unfortunately I reverted back to smoking real cigarettes for the duration of about a week, but within that week, my symptoms that I have been complaining about completely vanished????!!

        I had no brain fog, no amnesia like symptoms, I felt intelligent again, got my word recall back etc.. All those things I thought I had lost due to glycine/zinc usage – they all returned.”
        —————

        • harleyrider1978 says:

          EPA & FDA: Vapor Harmless to Children

          April 3, 2014 matt black

          In the continued war on e-cigarettes, we hear about the “potential dangers” of e-cigarette vapor and the “unknown public health risks.”

          First, I find it absolutely absurd that we’re attempting to pass laws based on unknowns, but what makes it even more absurd is the fact that there’s very little that isn’t known about e-cigarette vapor at this point. The primary ingredient of concern to those who wish to see e-cigarettes banned is the propylene glycol vapor, which has been studied for over 70 years.

          I recently came across a document titled, “Reregistration Eligibility Decision For Propylene Glycol and Dipropylene Glycol“, which was created by the United State Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

          Catchy title. I was intrigued.

          This quote caught my eye:

          Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants. (page 4, paragraph 1).

          In a previous post, I had shared the summary of research that had been done in 1942 by Dr. Robertson regarding the antibacterial properties of vaporized propylene glycol, but I had never heard that the FDA wound up approving it for the purpose of an air disinfectant in hospitals.

          Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; (page 6, paragraph 2)

          Continued…

          Method and Rates of Application

          ….

          Air Sanitizer

          Read the directions included with the automatic dispenser for proper installation of unit and refill. Remove cap from aerosol can and place in a sequential aerosol dispenser which automatically releases a metered amount every 15 minutes. One unit should treat 6000 ft of closed air space… For regular, non-metered applications, spray room until a light fog forms. To sanitize the air, spray 6 to 8 seconds in an average size room (10’x10′). (page 6, paragraph 6)

          A common argument used to support the public usage ban is that, “Minnesotans have become accustomed to the standard of clean indoor air.” However, according to the EPA and FDA, so long as there’s a “light fog” of propylene glycol vapor in the air, the air is actually more clean than the standard that Minnesotans have become accustomed to.

          General Toxicity Observations

          Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol. This conclusion is based on the results of toxicity testing of propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol in which dose levels near or above testing limits (as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines) were employed in experimental animal studies and no significant toxicity observed.

          Carcinogenicity Classification

          A review of the available data has shown propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol to be negative for carcinogenicity in studies conducted up to the testing limit doses established by the Agency; therefore, no further carcinogenic analysis is required. (page 10, paragraphs 1 & 2)

          Ready for the bombshell? I probably should have put this at the top, as it could have made this post a lot shorter, but I figured the information above was important, too…

          2. FQPA Safety Factor

          The FQPA Safety Factor (as required by the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996) is intended to provide an additional 10-fold safety factor (10X), to protect for special sensitivity in infants and children to specific pesticide residues in food, drinking water, or residential exposures, or to compensate for an incomplete database. The FQPA Safety Factor has been removed (i.e., reduced to 1X) for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol because there is no pre- or post-natal evidence for increased susceptibility following exposure. Further, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol based on the low toxicity observed in studies conducted near or above testing limit doses as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines. Therefore, quantitative risk assessment was not conducted for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol.

          In a paper published in the American Journal of Public Health by Dr. Robertson in April of 1946, Robertson cites a study published in the Edinburgh Medical Journal, which was conducted in 1944:

          The report of the 3 years’ study of the clinical application of the disinfection of air by glycol vapors in a children’s convalescent home showed a marked reduction in the number of acute respiratory infections occurring in the wards treated with both propylene and triethylene glycols. Whereas in the control wards, 132 infections occured during the course of three winters, there were only 13 such instances in the glycol wards during the same period. The fact that children were, for the most part, chronically confined to bed presented an unusually favorable condition for the prophylactic action of the glycol vapor.

          An investigation of the effect of triethylene glycol vapor on the respiratory disease incidence in military barracks brought out the fact that, while for the first 3 weeks after new personnel entered the glycolized area the disease rate remained the same as in the control barracks, the second 3 week period showed a 65 percent reduction in acute respiratory infections in the glycol treated barracks. Similar effects were observed in respect to airborne hemolytic streptococci and throat carriers of this microorganism.

          I don’t expect the prohibitionist lawmakers to delve this deeply into this subject on their own, but I certainly hope that when presented with this data that they reevaluate their stance on the subject and consider what science has to say. If they don’t, they’re simply basing their judgement off of rhetoric, misinformation, and personal bias and we all know where that gets us.

          http://mnvapers.com/2014/04/epa-fda-vapor-harmless-children/

        • beobrigitte says:

          I attempted to quit smoking in 2010. I invested in an electronic cigarette and began to take up vaping. I thoroughly enjoyed it, saved endless amounts of money and my sleep improved (along with a host of supplements I began to take).

          But that is when the cognitive decline for myself started. Ever since I stopped smoking and began to vape electronic cigarettes.

          I can’t say that I experience anything like this. But then, I still do smoke; I vape in order to stretch my tobacco supply NOT bought in England. I have not bought any tobacco here since January this year.

          What I did find, though, is that some e-liquids give me a bit a sore throat, that’s all. Sadly, my most favourite one is the worst. Since I had no adverse effects with the one sold by the e-cig company I got my e-cig from, I just changed back to their liquids.

      • Rose says:

        Oh yes, to settle once and for all if it’s the nicotine or something else.

        My money is on the sudden absence of the supplementary, vaso-dilating nitric oxide for the high blood pressure and the extra puff of anti-inflammatory carbon monoxide for the weight gain. But that may be too simple.

        Increased Bodyweight After Stopping Smoking May Be Due to Changes in Insulin Secretion

        “The reasons for this weight gain are believed to be in part due to metabolic changes in the body, but until now precise details of these changes were not known.”
        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120507210042.htm

        “Extra weight put on by new quitters explains around a third of the increased risk, the researchers said. A further third of the excess risk is accounted for by systemic inflammation, as assessed by increased leukocyte counts.”
        http://www.gponline.com/News/article/976970/Behind-Headlines-diabetes-linked-quitting-smoking/

        Looking around the vaping sites, some do, some don’t, gain weight, still, early days.

    • Rose says:

      Margarine is good for baking a lighter cake, but that’s the only use I have found for it.
      As long as a person doesn’t bake cakes everyday, I doubt that they would suffer much harm.

      I have been loath to mention it, but I do have misgivings about e-cigarettes.
      I have tried to find out if the nicotine is heated to a high enough temperature to oxidise it but with no success.

      Raw nicotine promotes angiogenesis which is why tobacco leaves were used to heal wounds from the very beginning.

      Of the Tabaco and of His Greate Vertues
      1577
      “THIS herb, which commonly is called tobacco, is an herb be of much antiquity, and known amongst the Indians, and in especially among them of the new Spain, and after that those countries were gotten by our Spaniards, being taught of the Indians, they did profit themselves of those things, in the Wounds which they received in their Wars, healing themselves therewith, to the great benefit of them”
      http://archive.tobacco.org/History/monardes.html

      This is verified by modern science, in that raw nicotine is a vaso-constrictor and therefore helps to stops bleeding initially and then goes on to encourage new blood vessels to grow.

      Naturally, I have tested this successfully on myself after various garden related wounds and was pleased to note that even the apparent reduction of pain was not my imagination.

      Nicotine, Chili Peppers Offer Post-Surgery Pain Relief

      “Nicotine patches and the hot pepper-derivative capsaicin both provided pain relief following surgery, according to two studies presented at the American Society of Anesthesiologists’ annual meeting, which concludes Wednesday”
      “The researchers noted that other than the reported nausea, nicotine apparently relieved pain without the narcotic side effects associated with morphine”
      http: //www.medicineonline.com/news/10/12997/Nicotine,-Chili-Peppers-Offer-Post-Surgery-Pain-Relief.html

      However, what concerns me, is the possibility of a host of new and unnecessary blood vessels randomly growing in my lungs.

      Nicotine Accelerates Angiogenesis and Wound Healing in Genetically Diabetic Mice
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1850685/

      Though I would happily try a nicotine free e-cigarette.

  2. junican says:

    When you watch that video, it becomes immediately obvious that the spray is not intended to have a permanent effect. It merely suggests that, if you fancy a drag of a fag, just spray your throat with this substance and then do it again, and again, and again. And it is supposed to be a ‘therapy’, approved the MHRA?
    Of course, the corruption was always likely to occur. It is inbuilt.

    • beobrigitte says:

      How to use your Nicorette Quickmist

      Use one spray first when you would normally smoke a cigarette and if your cravings do not disappear within a few minutes use the second spray

      It shows how LITTLE our anti-smoking brigade really knows about smoking!!
      Perhaps we all are very different – on long haul flights, after the meals, I really do miss my cigarette. However, if this is “cravings”, with me this lasts only a few minutes WITHOUT any nicotine replacement.

      Why would I want to use something that: And when you’ve finally got it to produce a spray, you must avoid spraying it on your lips, or inhaling or swallowing the spray.??
      Also, you will be swallowing some of this spray, after all, you put it into your mouth!

      I’ll stick to my tobacco and e-cig.

  3. magnetic01 says:

    1.
    We have to also bear in mind that NRT is next to useless.

    It provides an opportunity to consider the role of Pharma, Pharma-“philanthropy”, and more general “philanthropy” in the current antismoking crusade.

    We know that Pharma directly funds antismoking lobbying. But here’s a group that many may not have heard of – the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids (CTFK). It’s played a key role in the US “Master Settlement”, in the structure of the WHO FCTC, in getting tobacco products to come under the jurisdiction of the FDA in America.

    Here’s CTFK approving of smoking bans in apartments:
    http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=664179

    Here’s reference to Matt Myers (head of CTFK) meeting with then Australian Health Minister, Nicola Roxon, egging on the Australians to sue the tobacco industry for “health costs”:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-class-action-bid-for-big-tobacco-health-bill/story-fn59niix-1226343121280

    CTFK poking its nose in Russian politics:
    http://rt.com/news/prime-time/ban-smoking-helps-business-506/

    CTFK funding mayoral candidates in the USA:
    http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/24/4003075/tobacco-free-kids-action-fund.html#ixzz1bkiyja1d

    CTFK poking its nose in Ireland’s “plain packaging” debate:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/us-health-groups-praise-plain-cigarette-packaging-plan-1.1801820

    CTFK “Honoring Young Leaders in the Fight Against Tobacco”
    http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/tobacco_unfiltered/post/2014_05_20_yaya

    CTFK poking its nose in African affairs:
    http://ctc-africa.org/pt/index.php/news1/265-who-framework-convention-on-tobacco-control-fctc-project-for-the-east-african-community-launched

  4. magnetic01 says:

    2.
    The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids is a “catchy” title…….. it even has the word “kids” in it. It promotes itself as a “charity”. However, the organization was created in the 1990s by the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation (Pharma-“Philanthropy”). RWJF is financed by its considerable stock holding in Johnson & Johnson, a manufacturer of NRT (nicotine patches, gum). By promoting smoking bans and extortionate taxes on tobacco, CTFK is simply attempting to expand the Pharma NRT market. CTFK is a Pharma-front group. It’s all so tragically corrupt.
    .
    The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) established the National Center for Tobacco-Free Kids in 1995 (renaming it the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids [CTFK] in 1996) and has provided continued support for CTFK since that time.

    CTFK’s mission from its start has been to promote policy and environmental changes that will prevent and reduce tobacco use and exposure to secondhand smoke, especially among children, as well as changes that will minimize the harm caused by tobacco
    http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=40868

    From the RWJF site:

    Key Results
    From 1996 to 2006, CTFK:
    Advocated for regulation of tobacco products by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in collaboration with the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and others.

    Launched Faith United Against Tobacco in 2002 to mobilize faith communities of all denominations to support proven solutions to reduce smoking.

    Provided technical assistance to state and local coalitions working on three main tobacco-control goals: strong clean indoor air laws, tobacco tax increases and increased state funding of tobacco prevention and cessation programs.

    From the above, we can also see the other key players in antismoking – American Cancer Society, American Heart Foundation, American Lung Association.

    We also know that RWJF is a neo-eugenics organization pushing the typical eugenics targets along the behavioral dimension – tobacco, alcohol, diet.

    RWJF was a key organizer of the 11th World Conference on Tobacco Or Health (2000)
    http://www.rwjf.org/programareas/resources/product.jsp?id=17719&pid=1141

    RWJF has also been a financer of high-profile antismoking nut cases such as Glantz, Repace:
    http://cleanairquality.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/stanton-glantzs-400000-funding-from.html
    http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=46162#grants

    Pam Parker put together a few interesting pieces about RWJF:
    http://forces.org/News_Portal/news_viewer.php?id=2303
    http://tctactics.org/images/6/6e/Robert_Woods_Johnson_Foundation_3.pdf

  5. magnetic01 says:

    3.
    Then we have the other mega-wealth “philanthropies”

    Here’s CTFK and Bloomberg interfering in a multitude of countries:
    http://www.tobaccocontrolgrants.org/Pages/24/sitemap.php

    Here’s Bill Gates (and the American Cancer Society) agitating in Africa:
    http://archive.tobacco.org/news/305574.html

    Gates & Bloomberg agitating in developing nations:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92864125

    “The Bloomberg Initiative recently teamed up with the World Health
    Organization to create a six-step guide to fighting the tobacco
    epidemic called MPOWER.”
    http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/kids/news/story/0,28277,1826542,00.html

    More on gates and Africa:
    http://blogsofbainbridge.typepad.com/africa/2010/02/how-bill-gates-got-involved-in-tobacco-control.html

    Gates interfering in China:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576379222269824188.html?KEYWORDS=bill+gates+smoking
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bill-gates-china-push-against-secondhand-smoke

    As we scrutinize anti-tobacco the same organizations and mega-wealth come up time and time again, many centered in America. There is now an interconnected network of Public health groups and so-called “charities” with global reach that clearly have vested [questionable] ideological and financial interests, all the while promoting themselves as the “righteous ones” protecting the world from “evil”. There is cross-funding between them, and they’ve poured billions of dollars into global anti-tobacco. This small group is altering cultures around the world. This continues the [American] tradition commenced early last century of the mega-wealthy abusing “philanthropy” to affect public policy. It’s a very sick situation on a far grander scale than a century ago.

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  7. Rose says:

    Further to yesterdays subject.

    I think it’s important to put these things in the context of the time,when there was quite literally a witch hunt going on.

    Today’s news

    Warnings of Westminster paedophile network ‘ignored’ because ‘there were too many’

    “Former social services official claims he warned Department of Health of Westminster paedophile network but was told that he was “probably wasting [his] time”
    http: //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10963499/Warnings-of-Westminster-paedophile-network-ignored-because-there-were-too-many.html

    What the Dickens? These inquiries into historic cases of child abuse are just symptoms of fear

    “We also know that Geoffrey Dickens was not always accurate. As the Labour MP, Paul Flynn, pointed out to the Home Affairs Select Committee this week, Dickens made claims about the satanic and occult that were, to put it politely, far-fetched.”
    http: //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10961881/What-the-Dickens-These-inquiries-into-historic-cases-of-child-abuse-are-just-symptoms-of-fear.html

    At the time I got all my news from Radio4 and the BBC news and remember the shocking cases in Cleveland and Orkney, quite possibly discussed on the venerable You and Your’s programme.

    Something I had difficulty believing at the time and was subsequently proved correct to have been somewhat sceptical.

    Esther having persuaded the country that these people were hiding around every corner, a hunt for the victims ensued, in which “no” was not taken as an answer.

    Here are the two I remember, the first mostly for the disgusting nature of the medical examinations.
    The second for the fact that it sounded more like a Dennis Wheatley novel than an actual occurrence.

    Cleveland child abuse scandal

    “After a number of court trials, cases involving 96 of the 121 children alleged to be victims of sexual abuse were dismissed by the courts, and 26 cases, involving children from twelve families, were found by judges to have been incorrectly diagnosed.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal

    Coaching by social workers at centre of Orkney scandal

    “The raids were a response to allegations of ritualistic satanic abuse made by a girl during therapy sessions with social workers and police. A man from her family had been jailed for abusing one of his daughters, and she told police and social workers that she and her friends had been abused in a bizarre ceremony that saw a masked man called “The Master” – later alleged to be a local Presbyterian minister – lead chants and dance in a local quarry with dozens of people.”
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/coaching-by-social-workers-at-centre-of-orkney-scandal-1-817489

    So I hope that whatever does come out from that time will be regarded with considerable caution.

    It would be terrible if it were to happen again

  8. Emily says:

    So basically smoking and vaping are morally wrong because they’re enjoyable. Do the moral thing, quit smoking and vaping and use a nicotine delivery device instead. They are really showing their true colors now.

  9. harleyrider1978 says:

    Anti-smoking ban impractical, brilliant

    Doctors in the U.K. have come up with a brilliant way to prevent smoking-related disease in the future: ban the sale of cigarettes to anyone born after the year 2000.

    One doctor said the move could create the first tobacco-free generation.

    However, without consent from the British legislature, it won’t become reality.

    The doctors’ union has lobbied the government in the past — successfully, at that — for a ban on smoking in cars with children and lighting up in public places.

    However, this vote is quite extreme, and could be more of a symbol to get people talking about other ways to put a dent in smoking and its related health issues and deaths than a literal appeal to the British government to institute such a ban.

    The concept has been criticized as being illiberal, impractical and attention-seeking.

    Sure, it could be all of those.

    The idea has also been criticized by some jumping to the conclusion that a ban would push cigarettes and smoking underground, increase smuggling and become a very profitable, likely very dangerous business, as trafficking in other contraband is.

    But smoking is already a dangerous activity and a wildly profitable business.

    Besides the litany of well-documented health issues that smoking is a risk factor for, working conditions at tobacco farms in countries around the world can be hazardous.

    In terms of profits, big tobacco is really gigantic tobacco. The U.K.-based Imperial Tobacco Group is worth somewhere in the neighbourhood of $38.4 billion. British American Tobacco is valued at about $58.1 billion. Japan Tobacco International is worth about $65.9 billion; and Philip Morris, the producer of Marlboro, Basic, Parliament and Virginia Slims cigarettes is worth about $67.7 billion.

    In Winnipeg, a city councillor is pushing for a smaller-scale ban: she wants to eliminate smoking on outdoor patios.

    During the city’s short patio season, the smell of cigarette smoke and adverse effects of breathing it in are deterrents for some patio patrons, the councillor reasons.

    Opponents are already foreseeing the closure of restaurant patios if such a ban is instituted.

    I am reminded of the episode of The Simpsons called “E-I E-I D’oh” from 1999 when Homer accidentally creates a monster called the “tomacco,” which looks like a tomato but tastes like tobacco.

    In true Simpsons style, the episode is a heavy-handed satire of big tobacco, which peddles a product it knows to be destructive, and a product which is passionately defended by those who use it despite its destructive power.

    Pretty soon, the animals on the tomacco farm are so hooked on the thing that they’ll do anything and everything for it — including plot an Animal Farm-style uprising.

    But they’re undone by their own raging addiction after they ravage every last one of the tomacco plants.

    In 2003, an Oregon man actually made a tomacco plant by grafting together a tomato plant and tobacco roots as both plants belong to the same family, which also includes eggplant and Nightshade. At the time, the man told media he is not a big fan of big tobacco after his lifetime-smoker mother died of lung cancer and his lifetime-smoker father had one lung removed and later died of colon cancer.

    People don’t need legislation or bans to save them from themselves. They will always have their vices and find ways to access them, whether those vices are legal or not. Where there’s a will to access a substance, there’s a way.

    The thing is, there are probably loads of young people who think they’ll just try it once, and don’t really have the will to seek out cigarettes on their own. Maybe they bum from a friend when they go out for a drink once in a while. Maybe some steal one from a parent’s pack just to see what it’s like. These people aren’t likely to be particularly driven to buy smokes for themselves when they come of age.

    But when you really look at the British doctors’ proposed ban and the Winnipeg councillor’s patio smoking ban with a critical eye, you may just realize that to a lot of people, access to that vice is the sticking issue.

    The British doctors’ ban might be a sensationalist solution to smoking-related health problems, but it would almost certainly put a big dent in big tobacco. And you can almost certainly bet that’s not going to happen.

    http://www.merrittherald.com/anti-smoking-ban-impractical-brilliant/

  10. harleyrider1978 says:

    A quarter of pubs flouting the smoking ban

    During the first four months of the year inspectors drew up 500 reports in connection with pubs and restaurants that were not observing the smoking ban. The ban is being observed by 77% of establishments in the Belgian hospitality industry. The figure is only slightly down on the figure for 2013 as a whole.

    A report was drawn up with regard to 450 smokers who were infringing the ban too.

    Since May 2014 Belgium’s public health ministry has been operating 6,000 euro fines for violations of the ban. The fine can be doubled if landlords reoffend. Establishments can also be closed for six months.

    Paul Van den Meerssche: “We noticed that for cafés it can be more profitable to allow smoking and pay the fine. We now want to use the fine as a deterrent. We also want to create a levelling playing field for pubs and restaurants that stick to the letter of the law.”

    Mr Van den Meerssche is indignant about industry associations that continue to support members who violate the law: “Again and again they speak of the risk of a bankruptcy. It’s not a proper argument. The sector has been under pressure for years. It’s time the associations back their members who comply with the law.”

    http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/140711_smoking-ban-belgium

  11. harleyrider1978 says:

    Illegal Immigration: America’s Seething Volcano!

    Don Boys, Ph.D.

    http://donboys.cstnews.com/illegal-immigration-americas-seething-volcano

    Recent headlines blared, “Illegals now flooding U.S. Border” and some just-arrived illegal aliens asked, “Where do we go to get our amnesty?” Most of the illegals are unaccompanied children some of whom are delivered to relatives who themselves are illegal aliens and authorities do not ask their status! And the ACLU filed a suit demanding each and every illegal alien must have a lawyer and YOU will pay. The message sent to Central American nations is “If you get here, you can stay” so they come by the trainloads. And when they come they will be handed a bag of freebies: education, medical care, welfare payments, legal advice, etc.

    Hispanic extremists continue to raise the ante to get as much as they can, after all we “owe” it to them. One sign demanded, “Give us FREE Health care, Jobs–no taxes, House, Food – You OWE us America! We will shoot more police in Arizona until we get FREE!” Has anyone but me asked why that person did not go to jail? Another sign demanded, “Citizenship for 11 million.” And “citizenship” means “Democrat” voters. And Republicans are too stupid to resist it.

    This is incredible, indefensible, and insane yet our politicians and fuzzy Christian leaders seem to think it is acceptable and admirable instead of abhorrent and abominable. Furthermore, illegal aliens kill about 10,000 Americans each year–when they are not “picking tomatoes.”

    Even in normal times, it is insane for a nation to have unrestricted immigration, and during wars, national pestilences, or terror it is doubly insane to have porous borders! That’s about where the U.S. is today. With an astronomical increase in crime; with burgeoning welfare rolls; with cities and states whining about being out of money; with millions of Americans out of work and more to follow; we still have almost open borders! We might as well put up a huge sign on our southern border: “Terrorists and other illegals Welcome! Follow the arrows to Tucson!” Maybe an additional sign promising “free education and medical care” with additional information for those with leprosy, dengue fever, tuberculosis, polio, and malaria!

    Each year about 500,000 illegal aliens cross into the U.S. with many carrying drugs, disease, and destructive plans for our nation. In recent days Border Patrol agents have contracted various diseases, lice and scabies. Many illegals want to pick tomatoes; however if tomato pickers can slip in, so can terrorists. Yet, we have major politicians who are so unconcerned they want to give amnesty to the illegal gatecrashers already here! The President seems to be unaware that he is sitting on a seething volcano that is about to explode!

    There are now more than 80,000 illegal aliens from terror-friendly or terror-supporting nations hiding in the U.S.! American citizens will hold elected officials responsible for terrorism resulting from their inaction, ineptitude, or incompetence relating to border security. America’s volcano is going to explode!

    Since most immigrants from Mexico and South America have lower skills, they are more likely to request public assistance, gorge the public school system, overwhelm the health care industry, and spike the crime reports. Bigotry? Not at all. Just the facts. Did you know that 15% of California students are illegal aliens and 25% of inmates in federal prisons are illegals? They are not in prison for being gatecrashers but for committing crimes in the U.S.! You are funding them! Moreover, 75% of those on the most wanted list in L.A. are illegals.

    A recent survey shows that about 40 million immigrants live in the United States. About 12 million are illegal aliens. In Texas, 58% of illegal households collect some form of welfare while nationally, 47% of illegals receive welfare. Illegal aliens will cost taxpayers about $113,000,000 this year!

    Should U.S. taxpayers be expected to finance illegal immigrants? I can defend the position that we should not finance legal immigrants? “Thanks” to Republicans and Democrats, with amnesty just around the corner, immigrants will get on the welfare rolls and most will stay there. Have the loonies taken over the asylum?

    I was told by a post office official in San Luis, Arizona their office has 11,200 post office boxes in a town of about 3,000 people because people living across the border in Mexico use them as a permanent American address to collect public benefits. Courtesy of YOU. Don’t you feel warm and fuzzy knowing that you go to work each day to support parasites across the border?

    We must admit that if large numbers of Hispanics, legal or illegal, enter the U.S. it will relieve some of Central America’s social and economic problems, but what will it do to America’s? By what twisted logic are U.S. citizens expected to take their hard-earned money to provide for foreigners, especially foreigners who are criminals? Maybe it can be justified if you worship at the shrine of global government, but no thinking person does that, do they?

    The pro-immigration people tell us that immigrants don’t take jobs; they make jobs and pay taxes. However, while that may be true in individual cases, it is not true in the aggregate. Illegals cost Americans ten billion dollars more than they pay in taxes!

    We are told that Hispanics are needed to do work that Americans will not do, but a more correct statement is that they take jobs that Americans don’t want at the going wage! According to the Los Angeles Times, 2% of illegals are picking crops (while 29% are picking our pockets). When times get tough, Americans will work at any job to put food on the table. Don’t you feel good knowing that Mexican immigrants are working at very low wages to make more profit for agri-businesses? Fact is, for every 100 illegal aliens who get a job, 60 Americans will lose their job.

    It is time for the U.S. to take charge of our borders, keep out illegal aliens, apprehend those now living in the U.S. illegally and demand that our “friends” south of the border stop playing the hypocrite and close make their northern border as tight as their southern border. It’s past time to get started.

    • smokervoter says:

      This invasion has dire future implications for my formerly free-wheeling and much beloved home state.

      Latino voters in California are huge fans of an intrusive and interventionist state government presence, A.K.A the Nanny State. As such they’re the worst nightmare for the smoker, the fast food aficionado and the fossil fuel motorist alike.

      Their Supreme Leader is one Alex Padilla, a state senator who represents a district encompassing much of L.A. that is 61% Latino and runs 55% Democrat vs 20% Republican as far as voter registration goes.

      He spends most of his time in the Senate proposing new cigarette and soda taxes and restrictions which, incredibly, always fail to pass.

      I first took notice of him back in 2006 and ran a very critical article on him over at my website which encouraged smoking/soda drinking/libertarian-thinking voters in his district to join together and defeat this horrible man.

      He grabbed 75% out of a total of 112,500 votes cast and then proceeded to mount his loud bully pulpit. It would have required 56,000 naysayers to throw him out to the gutter.

      There are by my estimate 97,000 smokers in his district. There are by my estimate 295,000 regular soda pop drinkers of voting age there as well. Defeating him should have been easy if enough people had been exposed to my article. Where’s a freedom loving high-tech genius when ya’ need one I ask?

  12. cherie79 says:

    America puzzles me, around 1980 my husband and I were considering emigrating after a visit to California. We were then in our 30s, both university educated and of course native English speakers. It became so much trouble we eventually gave up, seems we should have gone illegally! It was a bit different then, I don’t think I would be tempted now as it seems to be turning into a third world entitlement, controlling country. Shame, everything I loved about the country is changing, hard to believe that’s what people voted for,

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      They have no idea how many smokers there are and to think altria or any tobacco company would even put out real sales figures for the Nazis to use would be a folly.

      No doubt Big tobacco is funding the underground blackmarket as they did in Canada back in the 1990s. We all know TC can never figure out how much smokers there are from the blackmarket itself. In America there are likely 75 million smokers not 50 million as TC likes to claim. Why can we discount they’re stats because everything they produce is a lie and for only one reason. To make themselves and their efforts appear to be working!

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