The Waiting Room

Maybe it’s just me, but the medical profession seems to be getting seriously out of order, and calling for more and more bans.

E-cigarettes should be banned in public places because they ‘normalise’ smoking, a leading doctor has said.

Surgeon Ram Moorthy urged so-called ‘vaping’ to be banned in the same places that smoking is prohibited.

No medical justification there. Just that e-cigs supposedly ‘normalise’ smoking. Doctors now seem to think they can say what is and isn’t normal. Or what should and shouldn’t be normal. When did that become their job?

This on top of calling for anyone born after 2000 to be prohibited from buying tobacco, and of course for plain packaging.

And then there are the calls for restrictions on sugar, salt, soda, etc.

And what kind of idiot thinks that there’s a ‘tobacco epidemic’? There isn’t one. Tobacco is a plant, not a disease.

I was wondering yesterday why nobody in government seems to realise that these doctors have all gone bonkers. It seems perfectly obvious to me. So why not to them?

I suppose that part of the problem is that doctors are excessively highly respected. And another part of the problem is that there seem to be one hell of a lot of fruitcakes in the medical profession these days. So it’s not just one nutcase calling for more or less everything to be banned, but a whole army of them.

Sooner or later, people are going to have to face the fact that the medical profession has gone collectively insane, and that it needs to be purged.

So I’ve been wondering how to purge the medical profession of nutty doctors. I started out thinking that doctors would be interviewed, and asked their opinions. Those that thought that all diseases were caused by smoking would be kicked out of the profession. Those who didn’t would be retained.

But what if they lied? What if they pretended not to bothered by smoking, drinking, fast food, etc.

So I came up with a different test. A doctor would be told to sit in a small waiting room before being interviewed. He’d be kept under observation in the waiting room. After he’d been in there a couple of minutes, somebody would come in, sit down, and light a cigarette, and start reading a newspaper. If the doctor failed to respond to this, a second man would come in, sit down, and light another cigarette, and start talking to the first man. And so on, until the waiting room was filled with more and more people, and a dense fog of smoke.

If the doctor remained sitting quietly, patiently waiting to be interviewed, someone would come in holding a can of beer and smoking a cigarette. And somebody else would come in eating a carton of burgers and chips.

The waiting room would gradually turn into something like a noisy, smoky pub.

After an hour or two of this, the doctor would finally be called in for his interview. Any doctor who actually managed to make it to the interview would be deemed to have passed the test with full marks, and would become a fully qualified doctor, no further questions asked. Because the interview would be a formality. But any doctor who walked out of the waiting room, complained, fainted, or started screaming like a banshee, would be deemed to have failed the test, and would not qualify as a doctor.

And the doctor who started his interview by saying,  “I really loved the waiting room! I haven’t seen people having such a good time since smoking was banned!” would become the president of the doctors’ medical association.


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42 Responses to The Waiting Room

  1. harleyrider1978 says:


    New York Times (blog)

    For example, smoking during pregnancy approximately doubles the risk that the child, if a boy, will be incarcerated decades later as an adult (that …

  2. harleyrider1978 says:

    Frank we are in the home stretch of the anti-tobacco game.

    Just look at how radical and Insane the latest bans are. They’ve literally abandoned any presumptions of the junk science and its just str8 out HATE driving whats left.

    Today in Alabama they wouldn’t even fight they just side stepped the issue completely hoping to push a moralistic outrage that how dare a smoker even come near me or be in sight of a child.

    I can just imagine what it was like when they arrested that woman in 1907 on 5th avenue smoking in front of her children! The Insanity that raged then and then its ultimate demise…………….

    It appears to me that’s exactly whats happening now the radicalism is all that’s left………..after that its curtains for the whole damned movement! Sanity returns.

  3. magnetic01 says:

    Nice test, Frank. One smoker….. two smokers…… ten smokers? I think your test would weed out the rabid antismokers with just one person brandishing a cigarette…. no need for even lighting it. The antismoking nut case would jump from their seat as if propelled by jet engines, assume the standard “hands waving frantically at head height” position, scream at the top of their voice “you’re killing me, you’re killing me”, and rush headlong through the closed door.

  4. junican says:

    But there is a problem. The ‘testers’ themselves need to go though that process. Who tests the testers? That is the problem. The testers themselves are unhinged.
    Answer? Get rid of the testers.

  5. mikef317 says:

    Personal observation about the food served to patients in New York City hospitals. I suspect I’d find the same thing in other U. S. cities, and in England and other countries.

    I don’t know exactly when, probably decades ago, maybe when smoking became verboten, ALL patients appear to have been put on a low fat / low sodium diet.

    Anti-fat and anti-salt nuts are just as crazy as anti-smoking nuts. There might be good medical reasons for a small number of people to have a special diet – but everyone?

    This is another case of medical “authorities” imposing their pseudo-scientific religious beliefs whenever and wherever they can.

  6. The Blocked Dwarf says:

    Believe it or not Frank, you have just described my Old GP’s waiting room in Emden Germany back in the late 80s. People even used to ‘shoot up’ in there.Openly in plain view. How that Doc retained his approbation is a mystery and can only have involved sums of money being passed in dark places. The GP himself was a morphium addict and regularly fell asleep during consultation. He was also a medical genius and former ‘Wunderkind’ of the German postwar medical world and even smacked out of his head on medical grade opium he was a better clinician than many of todays clean shaven, clean living and clean thinking GPs.

  7. waltc says:

    OT. New Jersey legislature just passed a statewide park and beach ban. It now goes to Christie’s desk along with other proposals that he says he’ll consider carefully. Be interesting to see what happens from a man who wants to tax cigs at cig rates–and wants to be president. Also in the same batch of bills is a ban on employers asking potential employees if they have a criminal record. I guess NJ doesn’t want to discriminate against murderers and probably even let’s them use parks and beaches. Sorry can’t give a link from my iPad. But it’s at Clash’s FB page along with the usual hateful ant rants.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Walt I don’t think you have to worry about Christie ever running for President……….He would never get the Nomination.

  8. waltc says:

    Should have been “tax e-cigs at cig rates”

  9. Rose says:

    Just for you, Frank.

    Yeah baby yeah! Lana Del Rey wears psychedelic dress and puffs on a cigarette as she performs at Glastonbury

  10. The late Dr. Dunbar once gently chastised me when I complained about doctors. He said I should blame the Department of Health where the rules are made up.

    That’s where the nutcases and sadists invent their new rules and doctors, earning fabulous salaries way beyond their efforts and skills, are practically all afraid to rock the boat and jeopardise their careers and pensions.

    “I was wondering yesterday why nobody in government seems to realise that these doctors have all gone bonkers. It seems perfectly obvious to me. So why not to them?”

    They are all bonkers too, or subversives or just hate-filled or simply ignorant and believe the bonker-merchants.

    The MPs and MSPs I have met are simple. They are good at talking (somehow). They always have answers with which they expect to put you down with if you complain.

    A former local councillor friend recently told me that the Health Board, which he used to work alongside, exists to protect the image of the NHS, not the wellbeing of the patient. I told this to a friend who works for the NHS (who never talks ill of anyone, normally) and she said they don’t look after their staff either.

    It’s all a game; part of the bigger picture. The dingbats, haters and social engineers are chosen to rise to the top of their profession. that’s why we have ‘registered charities’ things like Forum for the Future,

    Since 1996 our Masters in Leadership for Sustainable Development has been training the sustainability leaders of the future. Last year we celebrated the graduation of our 165th student, and many graduates are already making their mark as think-tank directors and government advisers.

    That’s nothing compared to another ‘charity’, Common Purpose whose numbers vary depending on the source from 20,000 to 80,000 pro-EU infiltrators ejected into positions of influence to prepare the country’s institutions for total EU/globalist rule.

    And there are an estimated 27,000 fake, i.e. mainly government-funded charities. These two I singled out might not even count in that figure, as they charge their big corporate and governmental clients tuition fees for their ‘courses’.

    This is really what we’re up against. A very well organised army of subversive infiltrators rather than just nutcase doctors. The fact that most doctors are, in fact, nutcases based on my experience, certainly doesn’t help. And MPs seem especially keen to believe absolutely everything that an ‘expert’ claims. Then there’s the mainstream media reporting fake ‘science’, press releases from fake ‘charities’ and ‘findings’ from assorted ‘experts’ as indisputable facts. Altogether, it’s a destructive concoction of deceit and naivety.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Stewart you just described a political agenda…………….and as all do they end rather abrubtly.

  11. prog says:

    Simon Clarke and the dreadful Vivian Nathenson on prohibition of tobacco purchase by those born after 2000.

    11.25 in (after Daniel Hannan and Charles Kennedy on Camerpn’s EU defeat).

  12. Sunex Amures says:

    During the 80s and early 90s I moved around a lot and had to change doctors a few times. I was confronted by some real nutters during that time. Obviously things haven’t changed much since.

    • harleyrider1978 says:

      Sunnex whens the last time your GP asked ya to come out back with him for a smoke break. Mine did last visit 2 weeks ago. But then Ive known the man for nearly 20 years.

      • harleyrider1978 says:

        He openly told me the entire sham of todays medicine is insane. His biggest peave was ObamaCare and many of his own group of Doctors are in open rebellion to the new establishment.

        Its no wonder the AMA is at its lowest membership in the last 60 years. The radical Medico’s are in charge at the top while the foundation below them shakes and rumbles.

  13. harleyrider1978 says:

    Smokers Against Discrimination

    Smoking Down – Obesity Up.

    ‘The main active ingredient in cigarettes is nicotine. Nicotine acts by binding to a specific type of receptor on neurons (nerve cells) called the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor. Acetylcholine is one of the main signaling molecules (neurotransmitters) that neurons use to communicate with one another. Nicotine suppresses food intake, increases energy expenditure, and lowers body fatness. Smokers tend to be leaner than non-smokers, and they rapidly gain weight when they quit. Administering nicotine to rodents under controlled conditions also reduces food intake and body weight substantially.

    Since the brain (and particularly the hypothalamus) is the organ in charge of regulating food intake and body fatness, one might guess that nicotine acts there either directly or indirectly. As predicted, nicotine infused directly into the hypothalamus reduces food intake, and a recent high-impact paper demonstrated in mice that nicotine exerts its effects on food intake primarily via POMC cells, a type of neuron in the hypothalamus that is important for the regulation of food intake and body fatness.’
    Smoking Down – Cancer up.

  14. harleyrider1978 says:
  15. harleyrider1978 says:

    Cows & Politics Explained

    A CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

    A SOCIALIST: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

    AN AMERICAN REPUBLICAN: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?

    AN AMERICAN DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.

    A COMMUNIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk.

    A FASCIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.

    DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.

    CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

    BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, then pours the milk down the drain.

    AN AMERICAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when the cow drops dead.

    A FRENCH CORPORATION: You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows.

    A JAPANESE CORPORATION: You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create clever cow cartoon images called Cowkimon and market them World-Wide.

    A GERMAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You reengineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.

    A BRITISH CORPORATION: You have two cows. They are mad. They die. Pass the shepherd’s pie, please.

    AN ITALIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are. You break for lunch.

    A RUSSIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

    A SWISS CORPORATION: You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you. You charge others for storing them.

    A BRAZILIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You enter into a partnership with an American corporation. Soon you have 1000 cows and the American corporation declares bankruptcy.

    AN INDIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You worship both of them.

    A CHINESE CORPORATION: You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest the newsman who reported on them.

    AN ISRAELI CORPORATION: There are these two Jewish cows, right? They open a milk factory, an ice cream store, and then sell the movie rights. They send their calves to Harvard to become doctors. So, who needs people?

    AN ARKANSAS CORPORATION: You have two cows. That one on the left is kinda cute.

  16. garyk30 says:

    “of course for plain packaging.”

    PP shows what little the antis know about the real world.
    What they find horrible, most people find nothing special.

    What they find delightful, most people find stupid and annoying and embarrassing.

    Drab colors and gruesome pics are not going to scare modern teens or young adults

    The movies and video games they revel in are full of aliens from space, zombies, and vicious critters.

    Blood, guts, and gore- the more, the better.

    The youths and young adults would more likely be put-off by cig packs in soft pastel colors with pics of fairy tale characters plastered over them.

    Imagine a macho 17 year old male having to get cigs by saying ;
    “I’ll have that pale lavender pack, the one with Peter Cottontail on it.”

    How about a 30 year old(male or female) truck/lorry driver having to say:

    “I’ll have the fags in the pink pack with the pics of Tinkerbelle and Winnie-the pooh on it.

    No hiding behind closed doors, put the packs out in the open where folks can see you buying such foo-foo packs.

    Liberated women and most men would be horrified by having those packs in their pockets.
    Except Harley, I hear tell he is fond of lavender and of Tinkerbelle. :)

  17. garyk30 says:

    Doctors claim that their programs are for ‘the cheeeeldren’.

    I would like to see just what harm they can prove comes to ‘children’ from smoking.
    As we see here:

    Click to access lies.pdf

    The CDC data shows that there are damn few smoking ’caused’ deaths below the age of 35.
    95% of those deaths occur over the age of 50 and the average age of those deaths is 72.

    A 15 yr old could smoke for 20 years with no chance of dying from a smoking ’caused’ death.
    A 15 yr old could smoke for 35 years with very,very little chance of such a death.

    If a 15 yr old smoker was planning on such a death, they would have to smoke for 57 years before they had a 50% chance of such a death.

    By that time, they have long ceased to be ‘children’.

    • garyk30 says:

      “A 15 yr old could smoke for 20 years with no chance of dying from a smoking ’caused’ death.”

      If that kid smoked 10 cigarettes per day, they would have smoked 73,000 cigs.

      So much for there being ‘No safe level of exposure’ to cigarette smoke.

      • garyk30 says:

        “If a 15 yr old smoker was planning on such a death, they would have to smoke for 57 years before they had a 50% chance of such a death.”

        If that kid smoked a pack a day, that would be 416,100 cigarettes.

  18. harleyrider1978 says:

    Russia Pulls In More Than $500K in Fines From Rebel Smokers
    The Moscow Times
    Jun. 29 2014 20:20
    Last edited 20:20

    Since January, more than half a million dollars (17.4 million rubles) in fines have been collected from smokers evading Russia’s crackdown on cigarettes, the Federal Consumer Protection Service announced on Sunday.

    The month of June alone saw the issuance of 8 million rubles in fines. Over 2,700 fines have been handed out since January.

    Russia’s newly bolstered anti-smoking legislation, part of a wider government campaign to change the public’s attitude to smoking and promote a healthier lifestyle, has been implemented in stages since it was passed last summer.

    The first stage saw smoking banned near public places like schools, hospitals, stores and playgrounds in the summer of 2013.

    The ban was then expanded to include train stations, hotels, restaurants and cafes on June 1 this year.

    Of those slapped with fines so far this year, 1,800 were individuals, more than 700 individual sellers of tobacco products and about 150 legal entities, the agency said, RIA Novosti reported.

    See also:

    Smoking Ban Costs Russian Cafes 20% of Revenues, Report Says

  19. beobrigitte says:

    E-cigarettes should be banned in public places because they ‘normalise’ smoking, a leading doctor has said.

    Wasn’t the smoking ban all about this “dangerous” passive smoke? Since vaping is NOT smoking, there is NO PASSIVE SMOKE.

    This leading doctor is getting a little too carried away; he has no idea what he is talking about, too!! Vaping “normalising” smoking? To me, smoking is NORMAL behaviour and so is vaping. Get over it, doc!

  20. waltc says:

    Aside from alienating their patients and causing many to lie to avoid The Lecture, the most dangerous thing about anti-smoking among doctors is that once they learn you smoke, they blame everything on smoking instead of looking further for the actual cause of what ails you. I know several cases where serious underlying conditions were missed that would have been looked for in a nonsmoker. That in itself becomes a good reason to lie. Additionally “stop smoking” as the recommended cure is now the equivalent of their saving themselves from having to admit that they simply don’t know what’s causing your symptoms. The final danger is that because of the anti-smoker bias, smokers delay going to docs when they should, and also avoid going to hospitals when they should, not willing to face the prison- like atmosphere and the added stress of enforced cold turkey.

    Mike, hope you’re well now and don’t have to do that again but if you do, get a friend to bring in a pastrami sandwich.

  21. junican says:

    It looks as though tobacco control in the UK is more or less played out. It has nowhere to go. The Government can bring in PP and no smoking in cars if it wants to. But what difference will either of those proposals make? Who is going to chase after people who are smoking in their cars? There is no organisation to apply swingeing fines to. Who cares about nasty pics on fag packets? I do not even see them any more on the packets that I get from Spain. I do not avoid looking – I get a particular brand and open the packets when I want to use them. I do not even look at the packet in any detail at all. I just open it.
    My main point is that I just do not care. If smoking was banned in the town centre, I would not smoke there. I do not care. More likely, however, is that I would not go to the town centre. If smoking was banned everywhere in the open air, that would be prohibition.
    But the smoking ban itself was prohibition to a degree. Odd, is it not, that no one in the media noticed that fact. They were too busy spreading terror.
    I find it weird that politicians seem to have lost all sense of direction. They blunder about, even at the top-most level. Gove wants to ‘permit’ headmaster in schools to fine parents who take their children for a few days holiday in term-time. What that means is that he wants to FORCE heads to impose fines. That is just like publicans being forced, under the threat of swingeing fines, to enforce the smoking ban. It stinks.
    But where is there to go? Miliband wants more of the same. When will THE PEOPLE rebel, as they, eventually, must?
    I don’t think that Cameron understands. He thinks that strutting about on the world stage is the important thing. It is not. The wellbeing of THE PEOPLE is the important thing, and that does not include tobacco control. Promote peace and prosperity and let the people be.

    • Frank Davis says:

      I find it weird that politicians seem to have lost all sense of direction.

      That does seem to be the case. But it’s perhaps because they’ve somehow become disconnected from the people they’re supposed to represent.

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